HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (3 Viewers)

[biggamer3]

I'm curious about the reaction of those who hadn't read the books to the finale. Knowing that Dany was going to go into the fire and come out with three little friends was far different than if you weren't really clear on whether dragons ever existed and/or were the stuff of legend. Either way, I thought this was brilliant television, and a proud adaption of the source material.

I had no idea the dragons would hatch but I was thinking she will survive the fire obviously and have all the remaining people serve her since she was a Fire repellent woman. The Dragons sets up her story arc beautifully though.But as i said earlier the episode was the worst Thrones episode from the last few months but it was still good compared to other shows. But for a season finale it was all about guys heading off somewhere, seemed like it was setting up another episode where we would get some sort of closure.

BG, you may want to delete that spoiler.As for the events of the last episode, that's how the first book ended too (with a few minor changes).

Didnt think anyone who didnt read books would click on it since i said before spoiler that it will ruin show for you if u checked.

 

[biggamer3]

I'm curious about the reaction of those who hadn't read the books to the finale. Knowing that Dany was going to go into the fire and come out with three little friends was far different than if you weren't really clear on whether dragons ever existed and/or were the stuff of legend. Either way, I thought this was brilliant television, and a proud adaption of the source material.

I had no idea the dragons would hatch but I was thinking she will survive the fire obviously and have all the remaining people serve her since she was a Fire repellent woman. The Dragons sets up her story arc beautifully though.But as i said earlier the episode was the worst Thrones episode from the last few months but it was still good compared to other shows. But for a season finale it was all about guys heading off somewhere, seemed like it was setting up another episode where we would get some sort of closure.Dont read this Spoiler if you dont want to be spoiled, it will ruin show if u read

Bummer. Sorry you read that. Very lame.

yeah i deleted the spoiler so no one clicks it by accident. But yeah guys who give spoilers out on Youtube should get death

 

[renesauz]

Yeah. No choice but to read the books now. Was not expecting the little snarling dragons. Are we to understand that the "child" who died was a dragon? Half-dragon half human?

Not so spoilerish

Spoiler

Dany put her trust in the wrong person. The sorceress slave woman was responsible for Khal's infection, as well as her baby's death. (She had provided advice and aid to Dany on her pregnancy! Although the show alludes to this, the book makes it a bit more clear.

 

[scoobygang]

I'm curious about the reaction of those who hadn't read the books to the finale. Knowing that Dany was going to go into the fire and come out with three little friends was far different than if you weren't really clear on whether dragons ever existed and/or were the stuff of legend. Either way, I thought this was brilliant television, and a proud adaption of the source material.

I think it was Chekhov who once said that you never introduce dragon eggs in Act I if they're not going to hatch in Act V. I doubt that Martin intended it to be a surprise so much as a logical progression in the story.

 

[renesauz]

Gotta say that was worst episode of season. Was not a true season finale, felt like it was setting up a finale next week

This is because they're following the books so well. The episode had little action, but gave a ton of insight on specific characters and set up book 2 without an artificial cliffhanger.

 

[renesauz]

need to stay out of here, since I didn't watch last night but:

got the books for father's day. Surprised at how young the Stark's are in the books. Bran = 7, Rob and Snow = 14, Ned = 35. And I think Dany is 13 (that makes Ned's outrage re: assassinating her a little more palatable).

Damn. Didn't they say early in the series that Dany was supposed to be 16 or so? I assumed Robb and Jonathan were more like 20 and 18 respectively and Bran was about 10 or 11, Sansa 13 or so and Arya around 9-10. Those were my guesses based purely on the show.

The show aged them up for a couple of reasons:1. They wanted older actors (easier to manage, nude scenes, etc..)

2. Martin had originally written the characters so young because he was going to have a 5 year gap in the middle of the story. He got rid of the gap and has said that, had he known he was going to do that, he would've written the kids older.

While this is true, lets not forget the setting. In a medieval like world, kids become adults when they can confidantly swing a sword or get pregnant. People lived shorter lives (especially the commoners). IE: 15 IS AN ADULT in this type of world.

 

[Otis]

I'm curious about the reaction of those who hadn't read the books to the finale. Knowing that Dany was going to go into the fire and come out with three little friends was far different than if you weren't really clear on whether dragons ever existed and/or were the stuff of legend. Either way, I thought this was brilliant television, and a proud adaption of the source material.

We thought it was pretty awesome. She didn't get burned in an earlier episode, so we figured she had some kind of special dragon powers, but seeing those little dudes pop out with her was pretty awesome.I'm just so mad the show is over already and that we have to wait a year for the rest. We sort of yawned a little through the first episode or so, and it's now my favorite thing on TV period. This and the Killing were our two faves, and both are now on hold for a year with tons to resolve

 

[biggamer3]

Gotta say that was worst episode of season. Was not a true season finale, felt like it was setting up a finale next week

This is because they're following the books so well. The episode had little action, but gave a ton of insight on specific characters and set up book 2 without an artificial cliffhanger.

Oh i understand that, but as a non book reader I had no idea what was going to happen, but in truth nothing did happen. Sets up next season nicely, but wanted one think to actually happen in the war, be it they kill Jaime or Sansa killed Joffrey. Something

 

[TLEF316]

Non-reader. I was always going under the assumption that the eggs would hatch.

 

[Otis]

I'm curious about the reaction of those who hadn't read the books to the finale. Knowing that Dany was going to go into the fire and come out with three little friends was far different than if you weren't really clear on whether dragons ever existed and/or were the stuff of legend. Either way, I thought this was brilliant television, and a proud adaption of the source material.

I think it was Chekhov who once said that you never introduce dragon eggs in Act I if they're not going to hatch in Act V. I doubt that Martin intended it to be a surprise so much as a logical progression in the story.

This is true too. We were sort of expecting dragons to come out at some point. They planted that seed fairly well.

 

[Jason Wood]

The conundrum with reading the books is the wait for what's to come. When I think of all the twists and turns these characters take between now and the end of the fourth book, it will boggle HBO viewers' minds.

 

[biggamer3]

This for non readers, dont want spoilers. Just speculating

Now that Danny got the dragons she will be super powerful obviously. But whats her objective? to wipe out all other kingdoms? I can see her and Robb's army team up to rule world. Joffrey cant survive this next season with all the armys coming against him.

Will be interesting to see what happens when Renly and Stallin (whatever the brothers name is) want a piece of throne

 

[renesauz]

The conundrum with reading the books is the wait for what's to come. When I think of all the twists and turns these characters take between now and the end of the fourth book, it will boggle HBO viewers' minds.

 

[renesauz]

This for non readers, dont want spoilers. Just speculating Now that Danny got the dragons she will be super powerful obviously. But whats her objective? to wipe out all other kingdoms? I can see her and Robb's army team up to rule world. Joffrey cant survive this next season with all the armys coming against him. Will be interesting to see what happens when Renly and Stallin (whatever the brothers name is) want a piece of throne

In the last episode Tyrion and his father were talking about this. Renly and Stannis have already fielded armies (as well as the new King in the North, obviously). Dany has made her intentions clear, although she has no army. The second book is called "A clash of Kings" for a reason...there are multiple claiments to the throne. Semi (no names)-

Spoiler

One claiment has not yet appeared in the series, and was only once obliquely mentioned.

 

[Apple Juice]

This for non readers, dont want spoilers. Just speculating Now that Danny got the dragons she will be super powerful obviously. But whats her objective? to wipe out all other kingdoms? I can see her and Robb's army team up to rule world. Joffrey cant survive this next season with all the armys coming against him. Will be interesting to see what happens when Renly and Stallin (whatever the brothers name is) want a piece of throne

That is what I want to see happen, and probably what viewers are led to want to happen: Dany and Robb joining forces and unleashing hell on Jof and the Lannisters. Which of course means it will probably not even come close to happening.Wha I'm most curious about after that finale is what power Dany now wields with her little guys and what she wants to do with the power. First step is obviously going ape-#### on the remaining Dothraki who would oppose her. Next would be how things unfold with Tyrion in King's Landing. After that, Robb's war with the Lanisters. Lastly, Snow venturing out beyond the Wall--lastly only because as viewers we just don't know that much about what's out there, although I expect that storyline probably towers above all the others in terms of what's at stake.

 

[Jason Wood]

This for non readers, dont want spoilers. Just speculating Now that Danny got the dragons she will be super powerful obviously. But whats her objective? to wipe out all other kingdoms? I can see her and Robb's army team up to rule world. Joffrey cant survive this next season with all the armys coming against him. Will be interesting to see what happens when Renly and Stallin (whatever the brothers name is) want a piece of throne

That is what I want to see happen, and probably what viewers are led to want to happen: Dany and Robb joining forces and unleashing hell on Jof and the Lannisters. Which of course means it will probably not even come close to happening.Wha I'm most curious about after that finale is what power Dany now wields with her little guys and what she wants to do with the power. First step is obviously going ape-#### on the remaining Dothraki who would oppose her. Next would be how things unfold with Tyrion in King's Landing. After that, Robb's war with the Lanisters. Lastly, Snow venturing out beyond the Wall--lastly only because as viewers we just don't know that much about what's out there, although I expect that storyline probably towers above all the others in terms of what's at stake.

Everyone you met this season is going to end up in places you honestly aren't expecting right now, or at least MOST of them will.

 

[Froglova]

The song of FIRE and ICE brings me to the conclusion that the real war is between frozen zombies and dragons and all this war between humans is just a dance before the real thing.

 

[biggamer3]

The song of FIRE and ICE brings me to the conclusion that the real war is between frozen zombies and dragons and all this war between humans is just a dance before the real thing.

Probably but fighting a faceless and brainless enemy aint cinematic or fun IMO.Zombies are good as a side quest for Jon and his story but I hope it doesnt become the focal point of show

 

[biggamer3]

This for non readers, dont want spoilers. Just speculating Now that Danny got the dragons she will be super powerful obviously. But whats her objective? to wipe out all other kingdoms? I can see her and Robb's army team up to rule world. Joffrey cant survive this next season with all the armys coming against him. Will be interesting to see what happens when Renly and Stallin (whatever the brothers name is) want a piece of throne

That is what I want to see happen, and probably what viewers are led to want to happen: Dany and Robb joining forces and unleashing hell on Jof and the Lannisters. Which of course means it will probably not even come close to happening.Wha I'm most curious about after that finale is what power Dany now wields with her little guys and what she wants to do with the power. First step is obviously going ape-#### on the remaining Dothraki who would oppose her. Next would be how things unfold with Tyrion in King's Landing. After that, Robb's war with the Lanisters. Lastly, Snow venturing out beyond the Wall--lastly only because as viewers we just don't know that much about what's out there, although I expect that storyline probably towers above all the others in terms of what's at stake.

Martin loves changing things up so quickly just from what we saw in season 1. Just looking at Ned's season 1. He went from being buddy buddy with Robert to not agreeing with him and quitting his post and getting slaughtered by Jaime. You expected a huge war, but next episode he is buddy buddy with Robert and back as kings Hand. then when Robert dies, he goes from threatening Cersi to leave ASAP and in a nano second goes from a position of strength to being labeled a traitor and put in dungeon. Martin loves the flip flopping real quickly. But the one problem i had was that ned never said out loud that Joffrey was a *******, I cant buy that someone like him and in his position wouldnt have yelled that aloud when they were putting him in the dungeon

 

[The Gator]

This for non readers, dont want spoilers. Just speculating Now that Danny got the dragons she will be super powerful obviously. But whats her objective? to wipe out all other kingdoms? I can see her and Robb's army team up to rule world. Joffrey cant survive this next season with all the armys coming against him. Will be interesting to see what happens when Renly and Stallin (whatever the brothers name is) want a piece of throne

In the last episode Tyrion and his father were talking about this. Renly and Stannis have already fielded armies (as well as the new King in the North, obviously). Dany has made her intentions clear, although she has no army. The second book is called "A clash of Kings" for a reason...there are multiple claiments to the throne. Semi (no names)-

Spoiler

One claiment has not yet appeared in the series, and was only once obliquely mentioned.

I just got to the part in the first book where Stannis is introduced and I think they just introduced the one you mention;

Spoiler

Are you talking about Greyjoy or is there another?

 

[biggamer3]

Guys are we supposed to assume that Arya's sword teacher is dead?

I loved that dude, he was money with the few lines they gave him

 

[renesauz]

This for non readers, dont want spoilers. Just speculating Now that Danny got the dragons she will be super powerful obviously. But whats her objective? to wipe out all other kingdoms? I can see her and Robb's army team up to rule world. Joffrey cant survive this next season with all the armys coming against him. Will be interesting to see what happens when Renly and Stallin (whatever the brothers name is) want a piece of throne

In the last episode Tyrion and his father were talking about this. Renly and Stannis have already fielded armies (as well as the new King in the North, obviously). Dany has made her intentions clear, although she has no army. The second book is called "A clash of Kings" for a reason...there are multiple claiments to the throne. Semi (no names)-

Spoiler

One claiment has not yet appeared in the series, and was only once obliquely mentioned.

I just got to the part in the first book where Stannis is introduced and I think they just introduced the one you mention;

Spoiler

Are you talking about Greyjoy or is there another?

Spoiler

Yes...Greyjoy is another claiment, although in his case it's more about revenge.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Guys are we supposed to assume that Arya's sword teacher is dead?I loved that dude, he was money with the few lines they gave him

I don't think we're supposed to assume anything with him. I know I haven't, I'm waiting to see if he turns up again or not.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I can see Sansa becoming more sympathic as things progress. But damn was she painful to observe this first book/season.

 

[Otis]

Guys are we supposed to assume that Arya's sword teacher is dead?I loved that dude, he was money with the few lines they gave him

I don't think we're supposed to assume anything with him. I know I haven't, I'm waiting to see if he turns up again or not.

I'm betting on seeing him again at some point. Great character.

 

[Abrantes]

This and the Killing were our two faves, and both are now on hold for a year with tons to resolve

Ouch.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

need to stay out of here, since I didn't watch last night but:

got the books for father's day. Surprised at how young the Stark's are in the books. Bran = 7, Rob and Snow = 14, Ned = 35. And I think Dany is 13 (that makes Ned's outrage re: assassinating her a little more palatable).

Damn. Didn't they say early in the series that Dany was supposed to be 16 or so? I assumed Robb and Jonathan were more like 20 and 18 respectively and Bran was about 10 or 11, Sansa 13 or so and Arya around 9-10. Those were my guesses based purely on the show.

The show aged them up for a couple of reasons:1. They wanted older actors (easier to manage, nude scenes, etc..)

2. Martin had originally written the characters so young because he was going to have a 5 year gap in the middle of the story. He got rid of the gap and has said that, had he known he was going to do that, he would've written the kids older.

While this is true, lets not forget the setting. In a medieval like world, kids become adults when they can confidantly swing a sword or get pregnant. People lived shorter lives (especially the commoners). IE: 15 IS AN ADULT in this type of world.

Sure, but I was just addressing the differences between the characters' ages in the books vs the TV series and why there was a conscious effort to make them older on the show.

 

[Gr00vus]

Pretty sure Jorah soiled himself in that last scene.

 

[gump]

Great finale.

A lot of great story lines, but the Dany portions have been my favorite all along...that was certainly still the case last night (even though my fav character died). Is it possible for Jorah to be the male lead for whatever her people become (will they still be Dothraki?).?

The Joffrey actor continues to play the role perfectly.

How many men and horses did Robb's wolf kill? That would have been a good scene.

 

[Mjolnirs]

I don't usually carry a sword, so maybe someone else can answer this.

In the book Longlcaw, Jon's sword is extra long and he carries it strapped to his back. When they show them riding out the other side of the wall he is on a horse and has the sword strapped to his side. My thinking is that you can't carry it on your back while horseback.

I was looking forward to seeing him with it strapped on his back.

 

[Sabertooth]

Pretty sure Jorah soiled himself in that last scene.

Jorah is a pretty cool character. Seems like another that is just misunderstood back in the 7 Kingdoms.

 

[The Gator]

Great finale.

A lot of great story lines, but the Dany portions have been my favorite all along...that was certainly still the case last night (even though my fav character died). Is it possible for Jorah to be the male lead for whatever her people become (will they still be Dothraki?).?

With those dragons...pretty sure they'll be whatever the #### she wants them to be

 

[Maik Jeaunz]

I REALLY want to read the books, but I'm afraid that might spoil the series for me. so I'll wait until it's all said and done, and then read the books to pick up the extra nuances.

oh, Dany.

I think Snow, Dany, and Tyrion are my favorite characters. and the scene with the youngest Stark and his aggressive wolf...seems like foreshadowing that he might be kind of a loose cannon.

 

[TeamDingo]

Question for nonbook readers that I am curious about:

What is your impression of Ros the redheaded whore as a character?

 

[Sabertooth]

Great finale.

A lot of great story lines, but the Dany portions have been my favorite all along...that was certainly still the case last night (even though my fav character died). Is it possible for Jorah to be the male lead for whatever her people become (will they still be Dothraki?).?

With those dragons...pretty sure they'll be whatever the #### she wants them to be

I don't know that many Dothraki stayed. Those that did were mostly her personal guard and conquered people right?

 

[The Gator]

Great finale.

A lot of great story lines, but the Dany portions have been my favorite all along...that was certainly still the case last night (even though my fav character died). Is it possible for Jorah to be the male lead for whatever her people become (will they still be Dothraki?).?

With those dragons...pretty sure they'll be whatever the #### she wants them to be

I don't know that many Dothraki stayed. Those that did were mostly her personal guard and conquered people right?

Yeah, most left and even some that had stayed after Drogo died left when she was saying that they would follow her.

I left off last night at the first Dany chapter(iirc) in the second book...can't wait to get home.

 

[gump]

Question for nonbook readers that I am curious about:What is your impression of Ros the redheaded whore as a character?

She seems to be up to something. Did she willingly get moved to Kings Landing? Asks a lot of questions too.A mole?

 

[biggamer3]

Guys who read books, can i start reading book 2 now that I watched season 1?

Dont want to go back reading book 1 for a few minor changes in story, i gather everything of importance was shown so I should get everything that happens reading book 2 right?

 

[parrot]

Guys who read books, can i start reading book 2 now that I watched season 1?Dont want to go back reading book 1 for a few minor changes in story, i gather everything of importance was shown so I should get everything that happens reading book 2 right?

I would definitely read the first book. The series shows most of the critical events but the books give a ton of back-story that helps aid in understanding those events. Also, there was an incident during Robert's rebellion that the TV series only touched on - whereas the book gives a much more involved account - that seems to figure pretty largely in the story going forward.

 

[scoobygang]

Question for nonbook readers that I am curious about:What is your impression of Ros the redheaded whore as a character?

She seems to be up to something. Did she willingly get moved to Kings Landing? Asks a lot of questions too.A mole?

This isn't a spoiler. Ros isn't in the books. She's an invention of the series, primarily a vehicle to allow us what are essentially solliquoys from characters like Theon, Littlefinger, and Pycelle. I actually thought that her character would morph into the character of Shae when she headed off to Kings Landing (as presumably the need for the "sexpostition" in the series would wane after the early episodes). I was wrong. I find the device clunky in the show, but it is hard for me evaluate as someone who has read the books.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Guys who read books, can i start reading book 2 now that I watched season 1?Dont want to go back reading book 1 for a few minor changes in story, i gather everything of importance was shown so I should get everything that happens reading book 2 right?

I would definitely read the first book. The series shows most of the critical events but the books give a ton of back-story that helps aid in understanding those events. Also, there was an incident during Robert's rebellion that the TV series only touched on - whereas the book gives a much more involved account - that seems to figure pretty largely in the story going forward.

I read the book. Which incident are you referring to?Also, the Bran chapter near the end of the book was pretty captivating. It gives a great background to the North, the Realm, etc.

 

[parrot]

Guys who read books, can i start reading book 2 now that I watched season 1?Dont want to go back reading book 1 for a few minor changes in story, i gather everything of importance was shown so I should get everything that happens reading book 2 right?

I would definitely read the first book. The series shows most of the critical events but the books give a ton of back-story that helps aid in understanding those events. Also, there was an incident during Robert's rebellion that the TV series only touched on - whereas the book gives a much more involved account - that seems to figure pretty largely in the story going forward.

I read the book. Which incident are you referring to?Also, the Bran chapter near the end of the book was pretty captivating. It gives a great background to the North, the Realm, etc.

Spoiler

The Tower of Joy, and Ned's promise to Lyanna.

 

[biggamer3]

this is funny, knowing now that the series has made Renly gay and the book didnt specify he was.

Spoiler

Just started reading Clash Of Kings and right away they mention Renly's renaming his Kingsguard the Rainbow Guard and that the guards shouldnt wear white but everyone a different color.

 

[TeamDingo]

Question for nonbook readers that I am curious about:What is your impression of Ros the redheaded whore as a character?

She seems to be up to something. Did she willingly get moved to Kings Landing? Asks a lot of questions too.A mole?

This isn't a spoiler. Ros isn't in the books. She's an invention of the series, primarily a vehicle to allow us what are essentially solliquoys from characters like Theon, Littlefinger, and Pycelle. I actually thought that her character would morph into the character of Shae when she headed off to Kings Landing (as presumably the need for the "sexpostition" in the series would wane after the early episodes). I was wrong. I find the device clunky in the show, but it is hard for me evaluate as someone who has read the books.

Thanks Was asking for non readers opinions unclear to you?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Guys who read books, can i start reading book 2 now that I watched season 1?Dont want to go back reading book 1 for a few minor changes in story, i gather everything of importance was shown so I should get everything that happens reading book 2 right?

I would definitely read the first book. The series shows most of the critical events but the books give a ton of back-story that helps aid in understanding those events. Also, there was an incident during Robert's rebellion that the TV series only touched on - whereas the book gives a much more involved account - that seems to figure pretty largely in the story going forward.

I read the book. Which incident are you referring to?Also, the Bran chapter near the end of the book was pretty captivating. It gives a great background to the North, the Realm, etc.

Spoiler

The Tower of Joy, and Ned's promise to Lyanna.

Spoiler

I still have a few chapters left, but was the Tower of Joy the battle with the Kings Guard where Ned was one of the only survivors? I forget.Also, while Ned dwelled on his promise to Lyanna quite often, it never is totally clear what the promise was (unless it was simply to bury her with her father and brother(s) at Winterfell.Is there more to this in the last 3 chapters or later books? If so, maybe do not fully answer me.

 

[parrot]

Guys who read books, can i start reading book 2 now that I watched season 1?Dont want to go back reading book 1 for a few minor changes in story, i gather everything of importance was shown so I should get everything that happens reading book 2 right?

I would definitely read the first book. The series shows most of the critical events but the books give a ton of back-story that helps aid in understanding those events. Also, there was an incident during Robert's rebellion that the TV series only touched on - whereas the book gives a much more involved account - that seems to figure pretty largely in the story going forward.

I read the book. Which incident are you referring to?Also, the Bran chapter near the end of the book was pretty captivating. It gives a great background to the North, the Realm, etc.

Spoiler

The Tower of Joy, and Ned's promise to Lyanna.

Spoiler

I still have a few chapters left, but was the Tower of Joy the battle with the Kings Guard where Ned was one of the only survivors? I forget.Also, while Ned dwelled on his promise to Lyanna quite often, it never is totally clear what the promise was (unless it was simply to bury her with her father and brother(s) at Winterfell.Is there more to this in the last 3 chapters or later books? If so, maybe do not fully answer me.

Spoiler

Yes, that's the incident I'm referring to. You're right, it is never made clear just what Ned's promise was. Many readers find this interesting. That's all I will say.

 

[Spanky267]

Great finale.A lot of great story lines, but the Dany portions have been my favorite all along...that was certainly still the case last night (even though my fav character died). Is it possible for Jorah to be the male lead for whatever her people become (will they still be Dothraki?).?The Joffrey actor continues to play the role perfectly.How many men and horses did Robb's wolf kill? That would have been a good scene.

I believe the Lannisters said it was ten men and a dozen horses.

 

[hotdogcollars]

i...cannot...believe...that i have to wait almost a year to see season 2. wtf?

 

[Gr00vus]

i...cannot...believe...that i have to wait almost a year to see season 2. wtf?

Yeah, this and the NBA season ending within a week really sucks.When does Boardwalk Empire start up again?

 

[Sabertooth]

i...cannot...believe...that i have to wait almost a year to see season 2. wtf?

Yeah, this and the NBA season ending within a week really sucks.When does Boardwalk Empire start up again?

Breaking Bad starts up pretty soon. Just imagine Heisenberg is Tywin.