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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (3 Viewers)

'Ilov80s said:
New extended trailer for S2 is on HBO tonight around 8:55
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Before Luck?Dragons and grrm semi-complaint
i understand that nobody has an id or tv etc., but these mistake in identity ruses are getting old. Brandon and rickon dead on spikes but not really. Davos head and hands sent to kongs landing but not really. Nobody recognizes Arya stark forever and then there is a fake arya stark about to marry ramsey bolton who nobody recognized when he was reek at winterfell.
 
'JerseyToughGuys said:
maybe my recall of book 2 is off, but that trailer seemed to feature a ton of stuff from book 3. Guess they are going to mix it all in?
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I think they will have to do that to keep charcters amd storlines fluid and relevant. Also some timelines overlap in the books. Are you talking about:
dany seemingly leading the unsullied? Also, noticably absent was Bran. With no Reeds cast gor the season Im concerned and curious about his arc.
 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
'JerseyToughGuys said:
maybe my recall of book 2 is off, but that trailer seemed to feature a ton of stuff from book 3. Guess they are going to mix it all in?
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I think they will have to do that to keep charcters amd storlines fluid and relevant. Also some timelines overlap in the books. Are you talking about:
dany seemingly leading the unsullied? Also, noticably absent was Bran. With no Reeds cast gor the season Im concerned and curious about his arc.
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yes, among other things. Jon's story looks a bit out there (maybe I am wrong) and it looked like Theon doing some sorta drowned god ritual too. might be more. both of us having just read em, curious as always as to your thoughts :popcorn:
 
'JerseyToughGuys said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
'JerseyToughGuys said:
maybe my recall of book 2 is off, but that trailer seemed to feature a ton of stuff from book 3. Guess they are going to mix it all in?
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I think they will have to do that to keep charcters amd storlines fluid and relevant. Also some timelines overlap in the books. Are you talking about:
dany seemingly leading the unsullied? Also, noticably absent was Bran. With no Reeds cast gor the season Im concerned and curious about his arc.
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yes, among other things. Jon's story looks a bit out there (maybe I am wrong) and it looked like Theon doing some sorta drowned god ritual too. might be more. both of us having just read em, curious as always as to your thoughts :popcorn:
Theon went home in COK. I really didn't see Jon for more than 1 second. :confused:
 
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Was this the role Peter Dinklage was born to play or what? I originally thought he wasn't ugly enough to play the Imp. But now I can't read the books any more without picturing him. They also got Varys perfect. And King Joff. Great casting.

 
'Sabertooth said:
Was this the role Peter Dinklage was born to play or what? I originally thought he wasn't ugly enough to play the Imp. But now I can't read the books any more without picturing him. They also got Varys perfect. And King Joff. Great casting.
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They really played down the ugly part of Tyrion on the show. Which is fine - just being a dwarf gives him enough emotional baggage when mixed with his screwed-up family. Dinklage is great. I originally thought he was a bit too mannered in his speech, but I've gotten used to it now and it doesn't distract me.
 
'Sabertooth said:
Was this the role Peter Dinklage was born to play or what? I originally thought he wasn't ugly enough to play the Imp. But now I can't read the books any more without picturing him. They also got Varys perfect. And King Joff. Great casting.
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This kid should get an Emmy. I've never hated a character on a TV show as much as him.
 
The books are, admittedly, starting to run together a bit for me as I have read them all one after the other recently. I'm almost halfway through Dragons at this point. I think we will have some overlap just because quite frankly there were some things that GRRM shouldn't have separated into different books anyway that especially won't work for a TV audience who is following the story and characters chronologically.

The trailer had at least one scene that was not from any book. There were a few like that in Season 1 as well, but really some deviation will be necessary to make it work on TV. Do not read this if you haven't read Clash of Kings:

I will be pissed however if there are no Reeds. I'm counting on them not going to far into Bran's storyline this season as the excuse for them not being cast, but being he is supposed to have been thought dead and Winterfell sacked and burned, with the Reeds there, I am not sure what they are going to do.
Westeros.org has the new trailer up frame by frame commenting on what is being shown. Pretty cool. Some spoilers though.

Also, apparently there is going to be an interactive Game of Thrones eBook:

 
'Uruk-Hai said:
'Sabertooth said:
Was this the role Peter Dinklage was born to play or what? I originally thought he wasn't ugly enough to play the Imp. But now I can't read the books any more without picturing him. They also got Varys perfect. And King Joff. Great casting.
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They really played down the ugly part of Tyrion on the show. Which is fine - just being a dwarf gives him enough emotional baggage when mixed with his screwed-up family. Dinklage is great. I originally thought he was a bit too mannered in his speech, but I've gotten used to it now and it doesn't distract me.
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I keep wondering if they'll stay true to Tyrion's appearance after the Kingslanding battle. I bet they don't. ETA, after seeing the trailer I'd double down on my bet.
Just started in re-reading the series, hopefully in time to be through the 1st three before they start up again in April.

 
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A little over halfway through Dragons and I am beginning to:

Feel sympathy for Reek/Theon. I hate his slimy turncloak ###, but I am feeling bad. Ramsey Bolton is a ruthless evil son of a whore. And I guess while Theon was raised by the Starks, he was actually a captive, so I can almost see him going over to the other side. But betraying Robb the way he did . . . . I cannot forgive him. Hopefully he gets his wits back about him now that Roose has taken him from his chains and he some how puts an end to the ruse of "arya" marrying ramsey.

This whole vehicle that GRRM uses of mistaken identity is growing old on me though. Nobody recognizes the real arya. And then believe a fake one. Nobody questions the corpses of Davos, Bran, or Rickon. Rorge rides around as the Hound. Barristan Selmy and a few others as well IIRC. But Brienne knew Gendry was Robert's ******* the first time she saw him. If nobody even knows what a person looks like, then why believe anybody? I wonder how some of these issues are going to play out on TV. Barristan Selmy seems to be the hardest one to hide.
 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
A little over halfway through Dragons and I am beginning to:

Feel sympathy for Reek/Theon. I hate his slimy turncloak ###, but I am feeling bad. Ramsey Bolton is a ruthless evil son of a whore. And I guess while Theon was raised by the Starks, he was actually a captive, so I can almost see him going over to the other side. But betraying Robb the way he did . . . . I cannot forgive him. Hopefully he gets his wits back about him now that Roose has taken him from his chains and he some how puts an end to the ruse of "arya" marrying ramsey.This whole vehicle that GRRM uses of mistaken identity is growing old on me though. Nobody recognizes the real arya. And then believe a fake one. Nobody questions the corpses of Davos, Bran, or Rickon. Rorge rides around as the Hound. Barristan Selmy and a few others as well IIRC. But Brienne knew Gendry was Robert's ******* the first time she saw him. If nobody even knows what a person looks like, then why believe anybody? I wonder how some of these issues are going to play out on TV. Barristan Selmy seems to be the hardest one to hide.
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Davos was out on an island up on a tower or something where people couldn't get close enough to see and the young "Starks" had their heads boiled in tar. With Melisandre and Theon respectively seemingly willing to kill anyone in their path, it's easily understandable that people just assume the bodies are who they think they are. The Hound is like Vader, who else would be ballsy enough to wear that helmet around? I agree about Birenne/Gendry, though I could easily buy Ned recognizing Robert in his ******* since Ned and Robert grew up together. Agreed though that this literary trick, along with a few others of his, is getting old. I'm still mad at myself for not seeing Arstan the Old = Barristan the Bold. :doh: Gonna be hard to pull that off.
 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
A little over halfway through Dragons and I am beginning to:

Feel sympathy for Reek/Theon. I hate his slimy turncloak ###, but I am feeling bad. Ramsey Bolton is a ruthless evil son of a whore. And I guess while Theon was raised by the Starks, he was actually a captive, so I can almost see him going over to the other side. But betraying Robb the way he did . . . . I cannot forgive him. Hopefully he gets his wits back about him now that Roose has taken him from his chains and he some how puts an end to the ruse of "arya" marrying ramsey.This whole vehicle that GRRM uses of mistaken identity is growing old on me though. Nobody recognizes the real arya. And then believe a fake one. Nobody questions the corpses of Davos, Bran, or Rickon. Rorge rides around as the Hound. Barristan Selmy and a few others as well IIRC. But Brienne knew Gendry was Robert's ******* the first time she saw him. If nobody even knows what a person looks like, then why believe anybody? I wonder how some of these issues are going to play out on TV. Barristan Selmy seems to be the hardest one to hide.
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Methinks that GRRM is going to try to do with Theon what he did with Jaime. Make the truly despicable into somebody, well spicable.
 
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'Sabertooth said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
A little over halfway through Dragons and I am beginning to:

Feel sympathy for Reek/Theon. I hate his slimy turncloak ###, but I am feeling bad. Ramsey Bolton is a ruthless evil son of a whore. And I guess while Theon was raised by the Starks, he was actually a captive, so I can almost see him going over to the other side. But betraying Robb the way he did . . . . I cannot forgive him. Hopefully he gets his wits back about him now that Roose has taken him from his chains and he some how puts an end to the ruse of "arya" marrying ramsey.This whole vehicle that GRRM uses of mistaken identity is growing old on me though. Nobody recognizes the real arya. And then believe a fake one. Nobody questions the corpses of Davos, Bran, or Rickon. Rorge rides around as the Hound. Barristan Selmy and a few others as well IIRC. But Brienne knew Gendry was Robert's ******* the first time she saw him. If nobody even knows what a person looks like, then why believe anybody? I wonder how some of these issues are going to play out on TV. Barristan Selmy seems to be the hardest one to hide.
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Methinks that GRRM is going to try to do with Theon what he did with Jaime. Make the truly despicable into somebody, well spicable.
I never thought Theon was despicable or even bad, always have found him very sympathetic
 
'TeamDingo said:
'Sabertooth said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
A little over halfway through Dragons and I am beginning to:

Feel sympathy for Reek/Theon. I hate his slimy turncloak ###, but I am feeling bad. Ramsey Bolton is a ruthless evil son of a whore. And I guess while Theon was raised by the Starks, he was actually a captive, so I can almost see him going over to the other side. But betraying Robb the way he did . . . . I cannot forgive him. Hopefully he gets his wits back about him now that Roose has taken him from his chains and he some how puts an end to the ruse of "arya" marrying ramsey.This whole vehicle that GRRM uses of mistaken identity is growing old on me though. Nobody recognizes the real arya. And then believe a fake one. Nobody questions the corpses of Davos, Bran, or Rickon. Rorge rides around as the Hound. Barristan Selmy and a few others as well IIRC. But Brienne knew Gendry was Robert's ******* the first time she saw him. If nobody even knows what a person looks like, then why believe anybody? I wonder how some of these issues are going to play out on TV. Barristan Selmy seems to be the hardest one to hide.
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Methinks that GRRM is going to try to do with Theon what he did with Jaime. Make the truly despicable into somebody, well spicable.
I never thought Theon was despicable or even bad, always have found him very sympathetic
Well . . .
I can understand why he did what he did to a point, but I cannot condone it. He wasn't treated as a captive. He thought of Robb as his brother. Would he have killed Bran and Rickon had he actually caught them? He was pretty blinded at that point by trying to maintain control that he may very well have and that could not have been forgiven no matter what Ramsey flayed.
 
The two trailers for Season 2 look great though. I need to finish Dragons and try to re-read Thrones and Clash before April 1!

After a closer look, I am not really seeing Storm of Swords material being used. We obviously will see more Robb in first person than we did in the Clash of Kings book, simply because it is TV. But that will be so much better than learning everything second hand or through the eyes and ears of Catlyn Stark.

 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
'TeamDingo said:
'Sabertooth said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
A little over halfway through Dragons and I am beginning to:

Feel sympathy for Reek/Theon. I hate his slimy turncloak ###, but I am feeling bad. Ramsey Bolton is a ruthless evil son of a whore. And I guess while Theon was raised by the Starks, he was actually a captive, so I can almost see him going over to the other side. But betraying Robb the way he did . . . . I cannot forgive him. Hopefully he gets his wits back about him now that Roose has taken him from his chains and he some how puts an end to the ruse of "arya" marrying ramsey.This whole vehicle that GRRM uses of mistaken identity is growing old on me though. Nobody recognizes the real arya. And then believe a fake one. Nobody questions the corpses of Davos, Bran, or Rickon. Rorge rides around as the Hound. Barristan Selmy and a few others as well IIRC. But Brienne knew Gendry was Robert's ******* the first time she saw him. If nobody even knows what a person looks like, then why believe anybody? I wonder how some of these issues are going to play out on TV. Barristan Selmy seems to be the hardest one to hide.
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Methinks that GRRM is going to try to do with Theon what he did with Jaime. Make the truly despicable into somebody, well spicable.
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I never thought Theon was despicable or even bad, always have found him very sympathetic
Well . . .
I can understand why he did what he did to a point, but I cannot condone it. He wasn't treated as a captive. He thought of Robb as his brother. Would he have killed Bran and Rickon had he actually caught them? He was pretty blinded at that point by trying to maintain control that he may very well have and that could not have been forgiven no matter what Ramsey flayed.
Theon
IMO set up from the beginning as a despicable and pathetic character. Even from the first book, kicking the head of the man Ned executed, treatment of the wildling captive, his character has always seemed both cruel and duplicitous. Also lacking in backbone, thus a natural to become the next Reek.
ETA Chronology books question

What book does the Red Wedding take place in? I can't remember if it is Clash or Storm, but I want to say Storm. IIRC Clash ends with Stannis's defeat at King's Landing, but I can't remember if that predates the Red Wedding or not. If not, I see the Red Wedding as the natural conclusion for Season 2, which will really mess with some people's heads.
 
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'Leeroy Jenkins said:
'TeamDingo said:
'Sabertooth said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
A little over halfway through Dragons and I am beginning to:

Feel sympathy for Reek/Theon. I hate his slimy turncloak ###, but I am feeling bad. Ramsey Bolton is a ruthless evil son of a whore. And I guess while Theon was raised by the Starks, he was actually a captive, so I can almost see him going over to the other side. But betraying Robb the way he did . . . . I cannot forgive him. Hopefully he gets his wits back about him now that Roose has taken him from his chains and he some how puts an end to the ruse of "arya" marrying ramsey.This whole vehicle that GRRM uses of mistaken identity is growing old on me though. Nobody recognizes the real arya. And then believe a fake one. Nobody questions the corpses of Davos, Bran, or Rickon. Rorge rides around as the Hound. Barristan Selmy and a few others as well IIRC. But Brienne knew Gendry was Robert's ******* the first time she saw him. If nobody even knows what a person looks like, then why believe anybody? I wonder how some of these issues are going to play out on TV. Barristan Selmy seems to be the hardest one to hide.
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Methinks that GRRM is going to try to do with Theon what he did with Jaime. Make the truly despicable into somebody, well spicable.
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I never thought Theon was despicable or even bad, always have found him very sympathetic
Well . . .
I can understand why he did what he did to a point, but I cannot condone it. He wasn't treated as a captive. He thought of Robb as his brother. Would he have killed Bran and Rickon had he actually caught them? He was pretty blinded at that point by trying to maintain control that he may very well have and that could not have been forgiven no matter what Ramsey flayed.
He was a captive. He ded Robb over no doubt. Not cool. But Balon was his father. Theon's story and Tyrion's story in ACoK is very similar. They are both occupying a hostile city that despises them. They are both trying to protect and do what's best for that hostile city. They are both trying desperately to impress their distant cold fathers woo resent them as symbols of their own failure.Of course he would not kill Bran and Rickon if he caught them. Osha, Hodor, Summer and Shaggydog he would have killed.
 
Disagree

Theon is an immensely weak character, and was shown to be well before his treachery. He and Tyrion are nothing alike, except for the fact their Dads are total #####. Tyrion got rightly compared to Tywin. Theon was never compared to Balon and Balon made it quite clear he was disgusted with the weak, pathetic individual his son grew up to be.
 
'Clifford said:
Disagree

Theon is an immensely weak character, and was shown to be well before his treachery. He and Tyrion are nothing alike, except for the fact their Dads are total #####. Tyrion got rightly compared to Tywin. Theon was never compared to Balon and Balon made it quite clear he was disgusted with the weak, pathetic individual his son grew up to be.
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You are right Theon would never gang rape his own wife or murder a prostitute in cold blood, he is nothing like Tyrion.You say it like not being compared to Balon is a bad thing. Balon is an idiot and a scared little witch. He cowers in his moldy old hall for nine years afraid of Ned and Robert and only stuck his head out after somoene else killed them.
 
Anyone have the explanation for how Eddard got shortened to Ned? Shouldn't it have been Ed? Is it like a Richard/**** thing?

 
'jdoggydogg said:
I have no idea what you’re talking about…so here’s Peter Dinklage sitting in a red chair on the Italian talk show Chiambretti Sunday Show being mock-photographed by a sultry, tight-pantsed model while the audience claps along.
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So awesome! I loved Dinklage before GoT (ever since Living in Oblivion) and even though I don't know him, I'm super happy that he got this role of a lifetime and all the bennies of an award winning actor/budding superstar. Great video!
 
S2 trailer was well done- I don't think I have ever been this excited for a tv show. It appears as if Tyrion will have an increased role this year as he seems to be the character around which this season is being marketed. That is amazing, but also makes me nervous as we saw what happened to Ned.
 
'mad sweeney said:
'jdoggydogg said:
I have no idea what you're talking about…so here's Peter Dinklage sitting in a red chair on the Italian talk show Chiambretti Sunday Show being mock-photographed by a sultry, tight-pantsed model while the audience claps along.
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So awesome! I loved Dinklage before GoT (ever since Living in Oblivion) and even though I don't know him, I'm super happy that he got this role of a lifetime and all the bennies of an award winning actor/budding superstar. Great video!
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Living in Oblivion is fun, and he was awesome in The Station Agent.
 
I have to say that I really am liking Dance with Dragons. Does it create its own issues instead of answering questions more often than not? Yes. Is it damn good? Yes. As long as GRRM finishes the story conclusively before he dies, I am enjoying the ride.

I'm debating whether to re-read Thrones and Kings before season 2, or to just enjoy the show and start the series over this summer after reading all 5 in a row.

 
'TeamDingo said:
Best looks yet of a lot of charactershttp://winteriscoming.net/2012/02/the-first-publicity-photos-from-season-two/
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Is that Balon Greyjoy with the long hair? I didn't picture him like that.I see Bran in the harness on Hodor. If HBO cutout the Reeds, I think they are going to be dealing with a lot of disappointed people and have to be very careful and creative with how they fill their role in Bran's story arc.
 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
'TeamDingo said:
Best looks yet of a lot of charactershttp://winteriscoming.net/2012/02/the-first-publicity-photos-from-season-two/
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Is that Balon Greyjoy with the long hair? I didn't picture him like that.I see Bran in the harness on Hodor. If HBO cutout the Reeds, I think they are going to be dealing with a lot of disappointed people and have to be very careful and creative with how they fill their role in Bran's story arc.
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Yep, Balon. That's pretty much exactly how I imagined him.
 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
'TeamDingo said:
Best looks yet of a lot of charactershttp://winteriscoming.net/2012/02/the-first-publicity-photos-from-season-two/
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Is that Balon Greyjoy with the long hair? I didn't picture him like that.I see Bran in the harness on Hodor. If HBO cutout the Reeds, I think they are going to be dealing with a lot of disappointed people and have to be very careful and creative with how they fill their role in Bran's story arc.
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Agreed. But that's a ways down the road, no?
 
'Nick Vermeil said:
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
'TeamDingo said:
Best looks yet of a lot of charactershttp://winteriscoming.net/2012/02/the-first-publicity-photos-from-season-two/
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Is that Balon Greyjoy with the long hair? I didn't picture him like that.I see Bran in the harness on Hodor. If HBO cutout the Reeds, I think they are going to be dealing with a lot of disappointed people and have to be very careful and creative with how they fill their role in Bran's story arc.
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Agreed. But that's a ways down the road, no?
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They arrive at Winterfell in Clash of Kings at some point while Bran is holding court IIRC.Does Davos have his pouch around his neck!?
 
'Leeroy Jenkins said:
I have to say that I really am liking Dance with Dragons. Does it create its own issues instead of answering questions more often than not? Yes. Is it damn good? Yes. As long as GRRM finishes the story conclusively before he dies, I am enjoying the ride.I'm debating whether to re-read Thrones and Kings before season 2, or to just enjoy the show and start the series over this summer after reading all 5 in a row.
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I just finished Dance over the weekend. Enjoy. I have nothing to read so I might just have to start over.
 
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