HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (4 Viewers)

[Gator Shawn]

I don't remember Stannis being such a badass in the books. I guess I was surprised to seem him leading the attack over the walls.

Also, why is no one in here talking about who sliced Tyrion's face apart?

I thought it was one of the king's guard, not surprising IMO as Geoffrey considers Tyrion to be a threat. What should we be talking about?

This was a pretty big "holy ####" moment for me in the books. Sorry to bother you. Carry on.

It was a holy #### moment for me too. I thought it was a through and through and Tyrion's head was going to slide off down the cutline. I am just not sure what there is to discuss about it. I am hardly suggesting that I have a 360 perspective on it and would love to hear you tip off a discussion with a point about the scene that I had not considered. To me it seemed pretty straight forward and I didn't see much subtext. Whaddya got? Let's discuss.

Nothing to discuss. Just surprised to not see it mentioned.

I was surprised that it happened. It was Geoffrey's guard, no? I would have thought there would be a plot point leading up to that rather than them just springing it on us. I am also not sure if we should really have known that specific guard from a previous episode but he didn't ring a bell for me.

It was a member of the Kingsguard. Tyrion addresses him as Ser Mandon earlier in this episode. I don't think he'd appeared in any previous episodes.

I assumed it was the Kingsguard that we have seen several times (I can't remember his name) but the one where Tyrion told Bronn to kill if he talked again as an example of a threat. Basically that he hated Tyrion and saw his chance to end him in the fog of war.

No, that was Ser Meryn, not Ser Mandon. They're both members of the Kingsguard, but they're different characters.

That scene, by the way, was the one I'd been most looking forward to seeing on the screen.
I've read through book 5 and this was the one scene I looked most forward to seeing.

 

[PIK95]

That ending was silly.

 

[modogg]

so, since we have 9 months for the show again, is Davos alive or dead?

and what did Stanis see in the fire?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

so, since we have 9 months for the show again, is Davos alive or dead?and what did Stanis see in the fire?

Spoiler

Davos is alive & I have no idea what he saw in the fire, since that specifically wasn't in the book but I could soeculate

 

[modogg]

so, since we have 9 months for the show again, is Davos alive or dead?and what did Stanis see in the fire?

Spoiler

Davos is alive & I have no idea what he saw in the fire, since that specifically wasn't in the book but I could soeculate

I figured with it 9 months away it won't really spoil anything for me because i am pretty sure i will forget about it by then

 

[Abrantes]

They really didn't do a good job of explaining how Winterfell was burned down and why Qhorin Halfhand fought Jon. As a whole, I thought the season was great, but the pacing was way off at times. Too slow or too rushed at different spots.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

That ending was silly.

ending was sweet

 

[modogg]

They really didn't do a good job of explaining how Winterfell was burned down and why Qhorin Halfhand fought Jon. As a whole, I thought the season was great, but the pacing was way off at times. Too slow or too rushed at different spots.

so i may have missed it already, but did Theon's guys burn Winterfell or the guy's ******* son burn it?

 

[Sabertooth]

House of the Undying was a letdown.

 

[wazoo11]

Eddie from Iron Maiden

 

[The Gator]

disappointed

 

[Abrantes]

Eddie from Iron Maiden

 

[CBusAlex]

They really didn't do a good job of explaining how Winterfell was burned down and why Qhorin Halfhand fought Jon. As a whole, I thought the season was great, but the pacing was way off at times. Too slow or too rushed at different spots.

so i may have missed it already, but did Theon's guys burn Winterfell or the guy's ******* son burn it?

I think they deliberately left that vague, to be explained next season.

 

[modogg]

They really didn't do a good job of explaining how Winterfell was burned down and why Qhorin Halfhand fought Jon. As a whole, I thought the season was great, but the pacing was way off at times. Too slow or too rushed at different spots.

so i may have missed it already, but did Theon's guys burn Winterfell or the guy's ******* son burn it?

I think they deliberately left that vague, to be explained next season.

hmm, well then that makes sense. i wasn't sure how much more could go into it

 

[The Ref]

Maybe I missed it, but why is Tyrion holed up at the bottom of the keep? Is he being held there in secret? Why not get up and go talk to his Dad?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Maybe I missed it, but why is Tyrion holed up at the bottom of the keep? Is he being held there in secret? Why not get up and go talk to his Dad?

He'd been unconscious pretty much since the battle, and from the looks of things, he's not really in any condition to get up and walk around.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Maybe I missed it, but why is Tyrion holed up at the bottom of the keep? Is he being held there in secret? Why not get up and go talk to his Dad?

He'd been unconscious pretty much since the battle, and from the looks of things, he's not really in any condition to get up and walk around.

I'm pretty sure most little people are able to walk around just fine.

 

[Abrantes]

Furthermore, may hottie Doreah rest in peace in the Land of Dead Minor Characters.

 

[Drifter]

That episode felt way too rushed like they were trying to tie up a bunch of mini arcs all at once.

 

[EYLive]

I'm glad they killed Xaros, he annoyed me. Ygritte whacking Jon on the head with the sword, however, was funny.

Spoiler

can't wait to see her naked

 

[Abrantes]

In retrospect, the decision to have Blackwater in episode 9 hamstrung them. There was way too much aftermath to cover properly in one episode, while episodes 7 and 8 were mostly character work while waiting for the big battle. They saved a bunch of big scenes for this final episode, I feel they would've had far more impact with proper time.

 

[renesauz]

Well done for the season finale. There were a couple of necessary minor departures from the book, and one major one that may or may not matter in 3 or 4 seasons.

You just knew they weren't gonna screw with Tyrions nose...the huge facial scar should work just as well. The changes to the house of the undying made sense given the dragon abduction addition...thought that was a nice resolution. Not sure why they didn't make it more clear that the ******* of Bolton was responsible for burning down Winterfell...that should be obvious, but clearly wasn't.

 

[PIK95]

That ending was silly.

ending was sweet

Sure.....If you are into Pirates of the Caribbean.

 

[Sabertooth]

That ending was silly.

ending was sweet

Sure.....If you are into Pirates of the Caribbean.

I like all those movies.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

Season finales: Always pretty good for the Khaleesi. Always real bad for the Starks.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Well done for the season finale. There were a couple of necessary minor departures from the book, and one major one that may or may not matter in 3 or 4 seasons.You just knew they weren't gonna screw with Tyrions nose...the huge facial scar should work just as well. The changes to the house of the undying made sense given the dragon abduction addition...thought that was a nice resolution. Not sure why they didn't make it more clear that the ******* of Bolton was responsible for burning down Winterfell...that should be obvious, but clearly wasn't.

I took it as they were cutting out Bolton's ******* in the whole Winterfell scene. I am curious where Theon is though...I guess they took him home?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

In retrospect, the decision to have Blackwater in episode 9 hamstrung them. There was way too much aftermath to cover properly in one episode, while episodes 7 and 8 were mostly character work while waiting for the big battle. They saved a bunch of big scenes for this final episode, I feel they would've had far more impact with proper time.

well they could of done a whole episode on the house of undying too, some of what she sees there would of been major spoiler for the rest of the series

 

[Bronx Bomber]

I would have enjoyed seeing how Jon Snow would have dealt with Theon if he joined the Nights Watch.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Did not read the books. In the show, did Eddard Stark make any mention of who Robb Snow's mother was? I am starting to think he might have a wildling mother.

In season 1, when Jon went to the wall and Ned went to kings landing, Ned said next time we meet, I will tell you about you mother.Then on the kings road, robb baratheon and Ned stop for a chat, and the king asked ned, remember that girl you had with giant breasts? your bastards mother? then ned got all somber, we were at war Ned!

 

[=Smackdown=]

Long wait until Season 3 - hope to finish A Storm of Swords before it starts up again.

I thought Tywin would be more vocal and take control? He just waltzed in and then quickly left. Also surprised that Tyrion just seems forgotten about and left for dead - especially after all he did to save KL.

In the final scene - I was also under the impression that there would be other things mixed in with the White Walkers.

 

[kneeshooter]

Long wait until Season 3 - hope to finish A Storm of Swords before it starts up again.

I thought Tywin would be more vocal and take control? He just waltzed in and then quickly left. Also surprised that Tyrion just seems forgotten about and left for dead - especially after all he did to save KL.

In the final scene - I was also under the impression that there would be other things mixed in with the White Walkers.

Spiders as big as dogs? I loved that scene last season - wonder if Old Nan survived the burning of Winterfell

 

[PIK95]

That ending was silly.

ending was sweet

Sure.....If you are into Pirates of the Caribbean.

I like all those movies.

I liked the first Episode real White Walkers a heck of alot more.

 

[PrinceofDarkness]

Long wait until Season 3 - hope to finish A Storm of Swords before it starts up again.

I thought Tywin would be more vocal and take control? He just waltzed in and then quickly left. Also surprised that Tyrion just seems forgotten about and left for dead - especially after all he did to save KL.

In the final scene - I was also under the impression that there would be other things mixed in with the White Walkers.

Spiders as big as dogs? I loved that scene last season - wonder if Old Nan survived the burning of Winterfell

She was last seen with her head on a spike at King's Landing. . .

 

[Rick James]

Long wait until Season 3 - hope to finish A Storm of Swords before it starts up again.

I thought Tywin would be more vocal and take control? He just waltzed in and then quickly left. Also surprised that Tyrion just seems forgotten about and left for dead - especially after all he did to save KL.

In the final scene - I was also under the impression that there would be other things mixed in with the White Walkers.

Spiders as big as dogs? I loved that scene last season - wonder if Old Nan survived the burning of Winterfell

She was last seen with her head on a spike at King's Landing. . .

That was Septa Mordane.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

That ending was silly.

ending was sweet

Sure.....If you are into Pirates of the Caribbean.

I like all those movies.

I liked the first Episode real White Walkers a heck of alot more.

I was about to ask if the things in the first episode were something different. They didn't seem like these White Walkers. Im also curious to find out how there can be so many Wildlings with that many White Walkers around.

 

[pantherclub]

That episode felt way too rushed like they were trying to tie up a bunch of mini arcs all at once.

I agree and they diverted from the book in a couple of big ways so it should be interesting to see how they treat that.In the books the House of Undying is a huge deal as is the big black dude.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

That episode felt way too rushed like they were trying to tie up a bunch of mini arcs all at once.

I agree and they diverted from the book in a couple of big ways so it should be interesting to see how they treat that.In the books the House of Undying is a huge deal as is the big black dude.

someone could free Xaro from the valut pretty easily, no? Unless you see someone die, dont think they are dead.

 

[pantherclub]

That episode felt way too rushed like they were trying to tie up a bunch of mini arcs all at once.

I agree and they diverted from the book in a couple of big ways so it should be interesting to see how they treat that.In the books the House of Undying is a huge deal as is the big black dude.

someone could free Xaro from the valut pretty easily, no? Unless you see someone die, dont think they are dead.

you didnt read the books did you?

 

[Rick James]

Xaro isn't really that important

 

[The Dude]

Theon and the hornblower made me laugh multiple times last night.

 

[Gator Shawn]

Maybe I missed it, but why is Tyrion holed up at the bottom of the keep? Is he being held there in secret? Why not get up and go talk to his Dad?

He was moved out of his quarters as "the Hand of the King" and moved into far less opulent quarters. Much to the delight of Grand Maester Pycelle and most certainly Cersei.He's still a Lannister, though, so they can only downgrade him so much.

 

[Steed]

That episode felt way too rushed like they were trying to tie up a bunch of mini arcs all at once.

I agree and they diverted from the book in a couple of big ways so it should be interesting to see how they treat that.In the books the House of Undying is a huge deal as is the big black dude.

someone could free Xaro from the valut pretty easily, no? Unless you see someone die, dont think they are dead.

According to him his vault was impenetrable and he had the only key.

 

[Gator Shawn]

Well done for the season finale. There were a couple of necessary minor departures from the book, and one major one that may or may not matter in 3 or 4 seasons.You just knew they weren't gonna screw with Tyrions nose...the huge facial scar should work just as well. The changes to the house of the undying made sense given the dragon abduction addition...thought that was a nice resolution. Not sure why they didn't make it more clear that the ******* of Bolton was responsible for burning down Winterfell...that should be obvious, but clearly wasn't.

I took it as they were cutting out Bolton's ******* in the whole Winterfell scene. I am curious where Theon is though...I guess they took him home?

Things for Theon could still proceed along the same path as the books.

 

[Mario Kart]

That episode felt way too rushed like they were trying to tie up a bunch of mini arcs all at once.

I agree and they diverted from the book in a couple of big ways so it should be interesting to see how they treat that.In the books the House of Undying is a huge deal as is the big black dude.

someone could free Xaro from the valut pretty easily, no? Unless you see someone die, dont think they are dead.

According to him his vault was impenetrable and he had the only key.

And the owner of the key now is the Three Dragon Lady.

 

[CBusAlex]

I liked the first Episode real White Walkers a heck of alot more.

I was about to ask if the things in the first episode were something different. They didn't seem like these White Walkers. Im also curious to find out how there can be so many Wildlings with that many White Walkers around.

Spoiler

There are two kinds of white walkers. Wights are the dead people who come back with blue eyes and are basically zombies - these are what we saw in the first episode and what Jon Snow killed later that season. There's also what they call the "Others" (the thing riding the dead horse with the ice spear) that can turn people or animals they kill into zombies and who apparently have some sort of control over them.

 

[gump]

Well done for the season finale. There were a couple of necessary minor departures from the book, and one major one that may or may not matter in 3 or 4 seasons.You just knew they weren't gonna screw with Tyrions nose...the huge facial scar should work just as well. The changes to the house of the undying made sense given the dragon abduction addition...thought that was a nice resolution. Not sure why they didn't make it more clear that the ******* of Bolton was responsible for burning down Winterfell...that should be obvious, but clearly wasn't.

I took it as they were cutting out Bolton's ******* in the whole Winterfell scene. I am curious where Theon is though...I guess they took him home?

Home being back to Robb?

 

[Synthesizer]

Theon and the hornblower made me laugh multiple times last night.

Me too

 

[PIK95]

I liked the first Episode real White Walkers a heck of alot more.

I was about to ask if the things in the first episode were something different. They didn't seem like these White Walkers. Im also curious to find out how there can be so many Wildlings with that many White Walkers around.

Spoiler

There are two kinds of white walkers. Wights are the dead people who come back with blue eyes and are basically zombies - these are what we saw in the first episode and what Jon Snow killed later that season. There's also what they call the "Others" (the thing riding the dead horse with the ice spear) that can turn people or animals they kill into zombies and who apparently have some sort of control over them.

The ones one the first episode that started the series was way more realistic than the CGI pirate looking ones they showed last night. I didn't like it.

 

[Chaka]

Well done for the season finale. There were a couple of necessary minor departures from the book, and one major one that may or may not matter in 3 or 4 seasons.

You just knew they weren't gonna screw with Tyrions nose...the huge facial scar should work just as well. The changes to the house of the undying made sense given the dragon abduction addition...thought that was a nice resolution. Not sure why they didn't make it more clear that the ******* of Bolton was responsible for burning down Winterfell...that should be obvious, but clearly wasn't.

I took it as they were cutting out Bolton's ******* in the whole Winterfell scene. I am curious where Theon is though...I guess they took him home?

Haven't read the books yet. This just seems like a huge plot point to handle the way they did. The Bolton ******* effectively declared war on the Starks.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Anyone else think the tv series will end before the books? IMO the later books have sheaves of wasted paper and ink and wouldn't make compelling television. According to this, the show creators are dreaming of turning Book 3 into 2 seasons but I'm just not sure how much patience a tv audience has for some of the sub-plots that happen after Book 2. Mostly, the story just loses focus. And even if they play out the next few books over 3-4 seasons it's unlikely Martin will have gotten himself to completion on the series by then. And they can't really take a couple of seasons off, let the cast scatter to the winds, and then try to get the band back together.

I'm thinking the O/U on seasons remaining is 2.5.

Well GRRM told them how to end it, in case he passes. Book3 will be season 3 & 4.