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HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (6 Viewers)

I was talking with a friend about season3 before episode 3 aired. and he brought up a good point. How did Sam at the end of season 2, escape the white walker march? why didnt they show the crowes vs ww battle? budgets? or is that how the book went?
Probably the same way the deserter in the show's very first episode managed to run away. Consistency!
A fat wight of Sam only slows the already slow march if the white walkers.
 
I thought it was possibly the weakest episode of the entire series. And then throw in Jamie's hand at the end to give us something worth interest.
Take this to the other thread. Ridiculous statement. Tons went on in this episode for characters and their stories for this and future seasons.
 
I thought it was possibly the weakest episode of the entire series. And then throw in Jamie's hand at the end to give us something worth interest.
Take this to the other thread. Ridiculous statement. Tons went on in this episode for characters and their stories for this and future seasons.
When I see comments like this it makes me feel like he just didnt understand what he was watching.

 
I thought it was possibly the weakest episode of the entire series. And then throw in Jamie's hand at the end to give us something worth interest.
Take this to the other thread. Ridiculous statement. Tons went on in this episode for characters and their stories for this and future seasons.
When I see comments like this it makes me feel like he just didnt understand what he was watching.
Right. The other thread is more that speed.
 
OK..who the heck just saved Theon? Huge departure from the books there I think...unless I've forgotten something? (It's been a few years since I read the first few books.)

I thought Theon was pretty much the Bolton bastards bii-itch until at least the end of ADWD)
My guess is that is the shows version of reek. Who will get him into trouble and "save" him a bunch of times until he reveals himself as ******* Ramsay Bolton.
Could be - one of the guys chasing Theon referred to the character as "you *******" right before he was shot - maybe a bit of foreshadowing ...
I completely missed that :bag:

 
OK..who the heck just saved Theon? Huge departure from the books there I think...unless I've forgotten something? (It's been a few years since I read the first few books.)

I thought Theon was pretty much the Bolton bastards bii-itch until at least the end of ADWD)
My guess is that is the shows version of reek. Who will get him into trouble and "save" him a bunch of times until he reveals himself as ******* Ramsay Bolton.
Could be - one of the guys chasing Theon referred to the character as "you *******" right before he was shot - maybe a bit of foreshadowing ...
I completely missed that :bag:

Oh ####, good call!

 
I am not sure why they don't just chop the #### out of castor about now. take his food and free his wives and keep on trucking. at this point I think they have learned what they needed to learn.

 
Question re: Jaime Lannister's hand. It's been a while since I read book 3:

Wasn't his hand chopped off in Harrenhall by some random tribal chieftain-type guy from across the sea?
And who knew that Pod Payne could lay the wood like that? #freebie

 
Question re: Jaime Lannister's hand. It's been a while since I read book 3:

Wasn't his hand chopped off in Harrenhall by some random tribal chieftain-type guy from across the sea?
And who knew that Pod Payne could lay the wood like that? #freebie

It was once of Vargo Hoat's men who cut Jaime's hand off....I'm pretty sure it was before Harrenhal
And that scene with Bron, Pod and Tyrion was great. Bron is one of the guys I wished had a POV in the books.

 
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So from some of the shows and discussions I have been wondering if there is a big political or social statement that Martin is trying to say with this series or if it is just an excuse for some really cool stuff to happen. So is the point a large philosophical question and / or answer or is the art the point? All in all I think the point is the answer to Varys's riddle.

 
Question re: Jaime Lannister's hand. It's been a while since I read book 3:

Wasn't his hand chopped off in Harrenhall by some random tribal chieftain-type guy from across the sea?
And who knew that Pod Payne could lay the wood like that? #freebie
It was once of Vargo Hoat's men who cut Jaime's hand off....I'm pretty sure it was before Harrenhal
And that scene with Bron, Pod and Tyrion was great. Bron is one of the guys I wished had a POV in the books.

Hoat was the leader of a mercenary group called The Bloody Mummers....who actually switched sides at least once in the Lannister/North war. They ran out of Harrenhall with The Mountain while Tywin was there and were left in charge of it when Tywin left. Then they caught Jamie and Briene. They've elminated the mercenary part and just made him/them Roose Bolton's men....although it was odd that there were singing while walking so I imagine they just left that back in.
 
Question re: Jaime Lannister's hand. It's been a while since I read book 3:

Wasn't his hand chopped off in Harrenhall by some random tribal chieftain-type guy from across the sea?
And who knew that Pod Payne could lay the wood like that? #freebie
It was once of Vargo Hoat's men who cut Jaime's hand off....I'm pretty sure it was before Harrenhal
And that scene with Bron, Pod and Tyrion was great. Bron is one of the guys I wished had a POV in the books.I wasn't thrilled with the Bron casting at first but he had such good lines that it was ok. But he's really grown into it. He's so flippant but still exudes deadly skill without any effort. The 'borrowing lesson' scene was great, as was his run in with that puffed up kings guard captain last week.

 
Gr00vus said:
Do I recall correctly that Tormund did not climb the wall in the books?
You are correct
It'll be interesting to see how they work this plot point then, since in the book the expedition ends very badly for the wildlings and Tormund had a significant part to play in events beyond that.
It's disgusting that all of this has to be in spoilers
 
shadyridr said:
The chair scene was phenomenal.I agree, the translator is hot.The theon scenes are very confusing. Theyre doing a poor job with those IMO unless they are supposed to be confusing.
Took this from the TV Show thread--I don't post there since they're a bit touchy but...

Doesnt she whack off Dany at one point in the books....I hope that makes the show :thumbup:
 
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Gr00vus said:
Do I recall correctly that Tormund did not climb the wall in the books?
You are correct
It'll be interesting to see how they work this plot point then, since in the book the expedition ends very badly for the wildlings and Tormund had a significant part to play in events beyond that.
It's disgusting that all of this has to be in spoilers
we need an official "I read all the books now stay the F out" thread
 
shadyridr said:
The chair scene was phenomenal.I agree, the translator is hot.The theon scenes are very confusing. Theyre doing a poor job with those IMO unless they are supposed to be confusing.
Took this from the TV Show thread--I don't post there since they're a bit touchy but...

Doesnt she whack off Dany at one point in the books....I hope that makes the show :thumbup:
If that one does, this one will.

 
Gr00vus said:
Gr00vus said:
Do I recall correctly that Tormund did not climb the wall in the books?
You are correct
It'll be interesting to see how they work this plot point then, since in the book the expedition ends very badly for the wildlings and Tormund had a significant part to play in events beyond that.
It's disgusting that all of this has to be in spoilers
we need an official "I read all the books now stay the F out" thread
I think that's the A Dance With Dragons thread.That's limited only to ADWD discussions. No other books or TV show talk allowed! Idiotic policy to have a thread started by book fans get the spoilers only tag be ause two + years isn't enough time to read the books.

 
Gr00vus said:
Do I recall correctly that Tormund did not climb the wall in the books?
You are correct
It'll be interesting to see how they work this plot point then, since in the book the expedition ends very badly for the wildlings and Tormund had a significant part to play in events beyond that.
There was an expedition to the Wall iirc. This is just truncating some of it like they have other storylines.

 
Gr00vus said:
Do I recall correctly that Tormund did not climb the wall in the books?
You are correct
It'll be interesting to see how they work this plot point then, since in the book the expedition ends very badly for the wildlings and Tormund had a significant part to play in events beyond that.
There was an expedition to the Wall iirc. This is just truncating some of it like they have other storylines.

I get that.

But given that in the book all the wildlings on the expedition get killed, and Tormund has a big part in future events in the books, they're going to have to take some interesting twists in the show now that they've included Tormund in the expedition when he wasn't involved with it in the books.
 
Gr00vus said:
Do I recall correctly that Tormund did not climb the wall in the books?
You are correct
It'll be interesting to see how they work this plot point then, since in the book the expedition ends very badly for the wildlings and Tormund had a significant part to play in events beyond that.
There was an expedition to the Wall iirc. This is just truncating some of it like they have other storylines. I get that.

But given that in the book all the wildlings on the expedition get killed, and Tormund has a big part in future events in the books, they're going to have to take some interesting twists in the show now that they've included Tormund in the expedition when he wasn't involved with it in the books.
I think they're doing a pretty good job with this so I'm not worrying too much about it. I just hope they handle Jon's storyline well.

 
Gr00vus said:
Do I recall correctly that Tormund did not climb the wall in the books?
You are correct
It'll be interesting to see how they work this plot point then, since in the book the expedition ends very badly for the wildlings and Tormund had a significant part to play in events beyond that.
There was an expedition to the Wall iirc. This is just truncating some of it like they have other storylines. I get that.
But given that in the book all the wildlings on the expedition get killed, and Tormund has a big part in future events in the books, they're going to have to take some interesting twists in the show now that they've included Tormund in the expedition when he wasn't involved with it in the books.
I think they're doing a pretty good job with this so I'm not worrying too much about it. I just hope they handle Jon's storyline well.

My only concern is that they kill off Tormund prematurely. That would suck. I doubt it happens, so I'm mostly saying I'm interested in seeing how they tweak things to avoid that outcome.
 
I, for one, would be disappointed if the Spoiler Tags went away. I've been watching the show and then once the season is done I read the book. That way I get more info and can enjoy new material twice, basically. I also appreciate the knowledge the people that have read the book bring to the discussion here to point out other details I may have forgotten. But that's just me. This may sound silly, but I think the discussion in this thread is a little more informed and in depth as well, so I get more out of it. In the end, though, I still want to be surprised. So the Spoiler Tags really help me out a bit.

 
I really should have read the books after. I find it confuses things because I am always trying to reconcile what I am seeing on the screen with my experience with the books and that's not fair. Earlier today someone expressed that they felt one of the story lines on the show was confusing, but it's only confusing because they read the books and are expecting one thing to be happening when for the sake of presentation and adaptation to television they are just portraying things a different way. It will still be an excellent story, it just won't be the SAME story.

 
I, for one, would be disappointed if the Spoiler Tags went away. I've been watching the show and then once the season is done I read the book. That way I get more info and can enjoy new material twice, basically. I also appreciate the knowledge the people that have read the book bring to the discussion here to point out other details I may have forgotten. But that's just me. This may sound silly, but I think the discussion in this thread is a little more informed and in depth as well, so I get more out of it. In the end, though, I still want to be surprised. So the Spoiler Tags really help me out a bit.
Will do!

 
I, for one, would be disappointed if the Spoiler Tags went away. I've been watching the show and then once the season is done I read the book. That way I get more info and can enjoy new material twice, basically. I also appreciate the knowledge the people that have read the book bring to the discussion here to point out other details I may have forgotten. But that's just me. This may sound silly, but I think the discussion in this thread is a little more informed and in depth as well, so I get more out of it. In the end, though, I still want to be surprised. So the Spoiler Tags really help me out a bit.
You sound like a perfect candidate for the non-book thread.
 
I, for one, would be disappointed if the Spoiler Tags went away. I've been watching the show and then once the season is done I read the book. That way I get more info and can enjoy new material twice, basically. I also appreciate the knowledge the people that have read the book bring to the discussion here to point out other details I may have forgotten. But that's just me. This may sound silly, but I think the discussion in this thread is a little more informed and in depth as well, so I get more out of it. In the end, though, I still want to be surprised. So the Spoiler Tags really help me out a bit.
I've read all the books, and I agree with this post. The way we've been handling this thread the last few years really made the show and reading the books better for me.

 
I really should have read the books after. I find it confuses things because I am always trying to reconcile what I am seeing on the screen with my experience with the books and that's not fair. Earlier today someone expressed that they felt one of the story lines on the show was confusing, but it's only confusing because they read the books and are expecting one thing to be happening when for the sake of presentation and adaptation to television they are just portraying things a different way. It will still be an excellent story, it just won't be the SAME story.
I'm feeling better about things this season. I'm able to appreciate the show because I don't remember every little detail of Swords right now, but at the same time, I really enjoy when subtle hints of what is to come in later seasons are being dropped. Like

the Iron Bank and Little Finger heading to the Vale or Shae starting to get jealous of Tyrion and Sansa
 
I really should have read the books after. I find it confuses things because I am always trying to reconcile what I am seeing on the screen with my experience with the books and that's not fair. Earlier today someone expressed that they felt one of the story lines on the show was confusing, but it's only confusing because they read the books and are expecting one thing to be happening when for the sake of presentation and adaptation to television they are just portraying things a different way. It will still be an excellent story, it just won't be the SAME story.
I'm feeling better about things this season. I'm able to appreciate the show because I don't remember every little detail of Swords right now, but at the same time, I really enjoy when subtle hints of what is to come in later seasons are being dropped. Like

the Iron Bank and Little Finger heading to the Vale or Shae starting to get jealous of Tyrion and Sansa
Storms is the leading candidate for a re-read right now for me. I remembered that book being so great at the time and now seeing the plots advance on the show its reminding me just how awesome it was!

 
What's the chronology of

the red wedding, joff and marg, and tyrion/Sansa??
From memory

Red Wedding first because Joffrey celebrates it, then Tyrion/Sansa because they both leave the night that the little ##### Joffrey chokes to death at his wedding feast. Tyrion and Sansa may be married the same day as Joff in a smaller ceremony, but since that's the last night they see each other, it has to happen before justice is served.
 
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What's the chronology of

the red wedding, joff and marg, and tyrion/Sansa??
From memory

Red Wedding first because Joffrey celebrates it, then Tyrion/Sansa because they both leave the night that the little ##### Joffrey chokes to death at his wedding feast. Tyrion and Sansa may be married the same day as Joff in a smaller ceremony, but since that's the last night they see each other, it has to happen before justice is served.
Actually: Red Wedding first because Joffrey celebrates it, then Tyrion/Sansa right after the red wedding so Tyrion will become lord of Winterfell. Joff dies at his own weding weeks later.
 
What's the chronology of

the red wedding, joff and marg, and tyrion/Sansa??
From memory

Red Wedding first because Joffrey celebrates it, then Tyrion/Sansa because they both leave the night that the little ##### Joffrey chokes to death at his wedding feast. Tyrion and Sansa may be married the same day as Joff in a smaller ceremony, but since that's the last night they see each other, it has to happen before justice is served.
Actually: Red Wedding first because Joffrey celebrates it, then Tyrion/Sansa right after the red wedding so Tyrion will become lord of Winterfell. Joff dies at his own weding weeks later.
^

I remember this order because of the consummation (or lack thereof) on the wedding night of Tyrion and Sansa. I can't wait until Joff dies. My wife hates him, naturally, and I've been telling her he lives through all 5 books just to get her blood boiling.
 

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