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[Leeroy Jenkins]

Concerning weddings:

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from episode titles and descriptions, it looks like tyrion and Sansa will be episode 7 or 8. The red wedding is episode 9 for sure. So the question then is whether we get joff in episode 10, or not until next season. If its not until next year, it would have to be early (which could be a great tv shock) unless Storm of Swords is going to leak into season 5.

. Thoughts?

 

[KarmaPolice]

Concerning weddings:

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from episode titles and descriptions, it looks like tyrion and Sansa will be episode 7 or 8. The red wedding is episode 9 for sure. So the question then is whether we get joff in episode 10, or not until next season. If its not until next year, it would have to be early (which could be a great tv shock) unless Storm of Swords is going to leak into season 5.

. Thoughts?

Episode 9 is when #### hits the fan in the last 2 seasons, so I would guess you are close, but isn't there 12 episodes this season, or am I just making that up? I assumed one would be in this season, one would be next. I am rereading book 3 now though, and don't remember what happened when in the book.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

You may want those titles in spoilers. The curious thing to me is that grrm did episode 7. Previously he's done The Pointy End and Blackwater. This episode seems to not be as transcendent.

 

[=Smackdown=]

You may want those titles in spoilers. The curious thing to me is that grrm did episode 7. Previously he's done The Pointy End and Blackwater. This episode seems to not be as transcendent.

Deleted the whole post - didn't think it would link it to a spoiler site.

Anyway - there are 10 episodes this year in Season 3

 

[Kraft...]

Thought it was a great episode. The Stannis scene was the weak link IMO, the Cat scene was close but saved by The Black Fish.

There is A LOT going on and I think they are doing a solid job juggling plot lines.

 

[Kraft...]

OK..who the heck just saved Theon? Huge departure from the books there I think...unless I've forgotten something? (It's been a few years since I read the first few books.)

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I thought Theon was pretty much the Bolton bastards bii-itch until at least the end of ADWD)

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My guess is that is the shows version of reek. Who will get him into trouble and "save" him a bunch of times until he reveals himself as ******* Ramsay Bolton.

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Could be - one of the guys chasing Theon referred to the character as "you *******" right before he was shot - maybe a bit of foreshadowing ...

I completely missed that Oh ####, good call!

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It was mentioned in the books that Ramsey would let people escape then hunt them down, kind of a sick game he played. He particularly liked to do it with women, IIRC Theon mentioned that one actually did escape.

 

[Kraft...]

Also Jorah Mormont actor is starting to get on my nerves a little with his over annunciation of Calisi

 

[Brady Marino]

Also Jorah Mormont actor is starting to get on my nerves a little with his over annunciation of Calisi

You might enjoy this then.

 

[Gator Shawn]

OK..who the heck just saved Theon? Huge departure from the books there I think...unless I've forgotten something? (It's been a few years since I read the first few books.)

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I thought Theon was pretty much the Bolton bastards bii-itch until at least the end of ADWD)

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My guess is that is the shows version of reek. Who will get him into trouble and "save" him a bunch of times until he reveals himself as ******* Ramsay Bolton.

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Could be - one of the guys chasing Theon referred to the character as "you *******" right before he was shot - maybe a bit of foreshadowing ...

I completely missed that Oh ####, good call!

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It was mentioned in the books that Ramsey would let people escape then hunt them down, kind of a sick game he played. He particularly liked to do it with women, IIRC Theon mentioned that one actually did escape.

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I am certain it's Ramsey now. Think what he says to Theon when he helps him up. "You're a long way from home...and Winter is Coming." Nice little Stark taunt there. Something that ##### would do.

 

[Gator Shawn]

Also Jorah Mormont actor is starting to get on my nerves a little with his over annunciation of Calisi

You might enjoy this then.

Hah

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Also Jorah Mormont actor is starting to get on my nerves a little with his over annunciation of Calisi

I couldnt stand him in the books either.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Also Jorah Mormont actor is starting to get on my nerves a little with his over annunciation of Calisi

I couldnt stand him in the books either.

Agreed - and in this respect I think the actor is doing a great job. I feel the same way about Littlefinger. That guy is as smarmy as hell...good acting job. I hardly think of him as Carcetti anymore.

 

[dancer]

I dont want to know too much, but am I correct in assuming that this theon plotline is either made up or from book 5 to keep him active in the show. I have read through book 4 and don't remember him in them at all since the sack of winterfell.

I am not sure whether you are reading the "spoiler" boxes or not. If you are, then your question is answered. If you are not, then all I will say is you are correct.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I dont want to know too much, but am I correct in assuming that this theon plotline is either made up or from book 5 to keep him active in the show. I have read through book 4 and don't remember him in them at all since the sack of winterfell.

I am not sure whether you are reading the "spoiler" boxes or not. If you are, then your question is answered. If you are not, then all I will say is you are correct.

Book 5 spoiler:

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Basically all this Theon stuff is alluded to in book 5 as Reek/Theon's back story. So we get to actually see Theon get broken on the show, instead of just finding a Reek. I put it in spoilers because some people may think Theon ends up dead at some point, and knowing he is in book 5 would take that suspense away. This will actually be much better over all for his story.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Better than anything in season 2 other than Blackwater.

Change of character for Rast, right? But they made him out to be that way for a while.

 

[encaitar]

Loved the episode. Might be the best one so far. First time I've liked Dany since she stopped getting naked.

 

[Barry]

What's the chronology of

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the red wedding, joff and marg, and tyrion/Sansa??

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From memory

Red Wedding first because Joffrey celebrates it, then Tyrion/Sansa because they both leave the night that the little ##### Joffrey chokes to death at his wedding feast. Tyrion and Sansa may be married the same day as Joff in a smaller ceremony, but since that's the last night they see each other, it has to happen before justice is served.

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Actually: Red Wedding first because Joffrey celebrates it, then Tyrion/Sansa right after the red wedding so Tyrion will become lord of Winterfell. Joff dies at his own weding weeks later.

^

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I remember this order because of the consummation (or lack thereof) on the wedding night of Tyrion and Sansa. I can't wait until Joff dies. My wife hates him, naturally, and I've been telling her he lives through all 5 books just to get her blood boiling.

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sansa and tyrion marry before the red wedding. it gives Cat another thing to be depressed about.

 

[mad sweeney]

Loved the episode. Might be the best one so far. First time I've liked Dany since she stopped getting naked.

I kinda had a chubby.

 

[EYLive]

I wonder how much more of Theon we're going to see this season.

 

[pantherclub]

I am not understanding the Pod angle/storyline. Pretty sure that wasnt in the books.

 

[Otis]

Great episode. Amazing how despicable Jamie Lanister was at first and yet now you can't help but root for him. They're very good at changing these characters over time.

Also totally knew Dany was going to do something like that, no way was she giving that thing up.

Great show. 10/10 would bang.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Varys question.

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So in book 5 we learn he's been championing the Targaryans all along. He is connected with Illario in Pentos and knew/helped with Drogo and dany getting married so viscerys had an army. So then, why did he allow the murder order of Dany to even actually leave kings landing? Why would he want all his marbles with "aegon" instead if dany and a dothraki army as originally planned?

 

[KarmaPolice]

I am not understanding the Pod angle/storyline. Pretty sure that wasnt in the books.

Evidently the dude is hung like Dirk Diggler and knows how to please the whores.

 

[pantherclub]

I am not understanding the Pod angle/storyline. Pretty sure that wasnt in the books.

Evidently the dude is hung like Dirk Diggler and knows how to please the whores.

I got that but I am having a hard time they just randomly talked about it 2x now with it it advancing something in the plot. Pretty sure it wasnt in the book.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I dont want to know too much, but am I correct in assuming that this theon plotline is either made up or from book 5 to keep him active in the show. I have read through book 4 and don't remember him in them at all since the sack of winterfell.

I am not sure whether you are reading the "spoiler" boxes or not. If you are, then your question is answered. If you are not, then all I will say is you are correct.

I am still avoiding those for awhile until I get to book 5. If the show spoils Theon stuff, so be it, but I don't want to accidently get spoiled on any other happenings in book 5. Currently going through book 3 again, so hopefully I will have 5 done this summer or at least before season 4 fires up.

 

[KarmaPolice]

I am not understanding the Pod angle/storyline. Pretty sure that wasnt in the books.

Evidently the dude is hung like Dirk Diggler and knows how to please the whores.

I got that but I am having a hard time they just randomly talked about it 2x now with it it advancing something in the plot. Pretty sure it wasnt in the book.

Maybe he will take over the brothels after Littlefinger bolts?

Didn't Varys say a couple times something about prodigies coming from surprising places? (something to that effect)

 

[Usual21]

Can someone tell me what chapter I can start with in book 3 in order to continue right off from where the show is currently? Or should I just start from the beginning of book 3?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Varys question.

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So in book 5 we learn he's been championing the Targaryans all along. He is connected with Illario in Pentos and knew/helped with Drogo and dany getting married so viscerys had an army. So then, why did he allow the murder order of Dany to even actually leave kings landing? Why would he want all his marbles with "aegon" instead if dany and a dothraki army as originally planned?

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My only answer would be that he's a male and the rightful heir.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Can someone tell me what chapter I can start with in book 3 in order to continue right off from where the show is currently? Or should I just start from the beginning of book 3?

Start from the beginning. That book was amazing and you'll love it.

 

[Runningman]

I like the development of the Tyrion and Varys alliance / partnership. Showing Varys capable of doing so much more then just spying on people is pretty awesome. I assume they are setting up lots of suspects or the coming events hinted at in the spoilers.

 

[Gator Shawn]

I wonder how much more of Theon we're going to see this season.

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Technically we would see less and less of him.

 

[bonesman]

I wonder how much more of Theon we're going to see this season.

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Technically we would see less and less of him.

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They seem to be foreshadowing by showing shots of his hands a lot. This might get graphic

 

[Rick James]

I wonder how much more of Theon we're going to see this season.

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Technically we would see less and less of him.

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They seem to be foreshadowing by showing shots of his hands a lot. This might get graphic

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doesn't he get castrated too?

 

[Kraft...]

I am not understanding the Pod angle/storyline. Pretty sure that wasnt in the books.

Evidently the dude is hung like Dirk Diggler and knows how to please the whores.

I got that but I am having a hard time they just randomly talked about it 2x now with it it advancing something in the plot. Pretty sure it wasnt in the book.

It's not in the books, I'm guessing it's just something fun they added for TV

 

[Kraft...]

Great episode, that scene at the end was one of my favorite parts of the books. They made it kind of obvious on the show what might happen, it was much more subtle in the books. I remember saying to myself WTF is she doing giving up a dragon!!!! I rewound and watched it 3 times, very well done, quick and to the point.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Title of Sepinwall's review of last night's episode: "How to Trade Your Dragon"

 

[Rick James]

ADWD SPOILERS

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Anyone else laughing at the non-book readers? They all think Dany is just going to conquer Westeros now that she has an army. Little did they know...

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I thought the Tyrion and Varys scene was awesome!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

ADWD SPOILERS

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Anyone else laughing at the non-book readers? They all think Dany is just going to conquer Westeros now that she has an army. Little did they know...

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It is pretty funny. I'm sure they thought the same thing after she was with Drogo as well

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

What is Westeros.org referring to as the theory blown out of water in their review:

Varys is almost speaking word-for-word from the book—but then we have the reveal of the sorcerer and… well, we don’t know what to think. Truth be told, this may be one of the first times that the TV show has blown theories out of the water. Or it may not be—who knows what input Martin necessarily had on this scene? From what we’ve been able to ascertain, he doesn’t get to see the scripts written by the other writers, and this may be a detail that was never noted to him. Perhaps someone will take the time to ask.

 

[CBusAlex]

Varys question.

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So in book 5 we learn he's been championing the Targaryans all along. He is connected with Illario in Pentos and knew/helped with Drogo and dany getting married so viscerys had an army. So then, why did he allow the murder order of Dany to even actually leave kings landing? Why would he want all his marbles with "aegon" instead if dany and a dothraki army as originally planned?

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Speculation on my part, but I see a few possibilities:

1. He's not really championing the Targaryans, but simply playing all sides. He wants to have a place in the inner circle no matter who is king.

2. He didn't think he could suppress the order without being found out by Littlefinger's spies or those of some other rival and didn't want to take that chance.

3. He didn't believe Drago would cross the narrow sea without some provocation. He put an open bounty on her head rather than hiring a professional assassin, gambling that whatever random dude got to her first would probably screw up the job.

 

[Mjolnirs]

ADWD SPOILERS

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Anyone else laughing at the non-book readers? They all think Dany is just going to conquer Westeros now that she has an army. Little did they know...

I thought this too. It's really a shame.

 

[Gr00vus]

Varys question.

Spoiler

So in book 5 we learn he's been championing the Targaryans all along. He is connected with Illario in Pentos and knew/helped with Drogo and dany getting married so viscerys had an army. So then, why did he allow the murder order of Dany to even actually leave kings landing? Why would he want all his marbles with "aegon" instead if dany and a dothraki army as originally planned?

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IIRC He's the one responsible for Mormont being with Dany, he's the one who selected the "poisoner" and he's the one who tipped off Mormont that there'd be a poisoner. In other words, there never was a chance the assassination would actually happen, yet it appeared to everyone as though Varys was on board with it.

 

[EYLive]

ADWD SPOILERS

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Anyone else laughing at the non-book readers? They all think Dany is just going to conquer Westeros now that she has an army. Little did they know...

Yeah,

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and I think the Theon/Reek transformation is just going to confuse the non-readers even more if it happens off screen.

 

[Gr00vus]

What is Westeros.org referring to as the theory blown out of water in their review:

Varys is almost speaking word-for-word from the book—but then we have the reveal of the sorcerer and… well, we don’t know what to think. Truth be told, this may be one of the first times that the TV show has blown theories out of the water. Or it may not be—who knows what input Martin necessarily had on this scene? From what we’ve been able to ascertain, he doesn’t get to see the scripts written by the other writers, and this may be a detail that was never noted to him. Perhaps someone will take the time to ask.

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There are some hypotheses out there that Varys lied about his getting cut by a sorcerer story and that he might not actually be a eunuch. This scene would seem to contradict those possibilities. There are greater mysteries about him and his motivations that this doesn't really impact.

 

[Abrantes]

ADWD SPOILERS

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Anyone else laughing at the non-book readers? They all think Dany is just going to conquer Westeros now that she has an army. Little did they know...

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It is pretty funny. I'm sure they thought the same thing after she was with Drogo as well

"Oh, my sweet summer child..."

 

[Abrantes]

What is Westeros.org referring to as the theory blown out of water in their review:

Varys is almost speaking word-for-word from the book—but then we have the reveal of the sorcerer and… well, we don’t know what to think. Truth be told, this may be one of the first times that the TV show has blown theories out of the water. Or it may not be—who knows what input Martin necessarily had on this scene? From what we’ve been able to ascertain, he doesn’t get to see the scripts written by the other writers, and this may be a detail that was never noted to him. Perhaps someone will take the time to ask.

Spoiler

There are some hypotheses out there that Varys lied about his getting cut by a sorcerer story and that he might not actually be a eunuch. This scene would seem to contradict those possibilities. There are greater mysteries about him and his motivations that this doesn't really impact.

The Westeros.org community is batty about Varys (and a million other things).

 

[Gr00vus]

What is Westeros.org referring to as the theory blown out of water in their review:

Varys is almost speaking word-for-word from the book—but then we have the reveal of the sorcerer and… well, we don’t know what to think. Truth be told, this may be one of the first times that the TV show has blown theories out of the water. Or it may not be—who knows what input Martin necessarily had on this scene? From what we’ve been able to ascertain, he doesn’t get to see the scripts written by the other writers, and this may be a detail that was never noted to him. Perhaps someone will take the time to ask.

Spoiler

There are some hypotheses out there that Varys lied about his getting cut by a sorcerer story and that he might not actually be a eunuch. This scene would seem to contradict those possibilities. There are greater mysteries about him and his motivations that this doesn't really impact.

The Westeros.org community is batty about Varys (and a million other things).

Yeah, that place is a rabbit hole I try to avoid unless I can't find a reference to/quote from the books somewhere else.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Varys question.

Spoiler

So in book 5 we learn he's been championing the Targaryans all along. He is connected with Illario in Pentos and knew/helped with Drogo and dany getting married so viscerys had an army. So then, why did he allow the murder order of Dany to even actually leave kings landing? Why would he want all his marbles with "aegon" instead if dany and a dothraki army as originally planned?

Spoiler

IIRC He's the one responsible for Mormont being with Dany, he's the one who selected the "poisoner" and he's the one who tipped off Mormont that there'd be a poisoner. In other words, there never was a chance the assassination would actually happen, yet it appeared to everyone as though Varys was on board with it.

I can get behind this. Thanks.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

What is Westeros.org referring to as the theory blown out of water in their review:

Varys is almost speaking word-for-word from the book—but then we have the reveal of the sorcerer and… well, we don’t know what to think. Truth be told, this may be one of the first times that the TV show has blown theories out of the water. Or it may not be—who knows what input Martin necessarily had on this scene? From what we’ve been able to ascertain, he doesn’t get to see the scripts written by the other writers, and this may be a detail that was never noted to him. Perhaps someone will take the time to ask.

Spoiler

There are some hypotheses out there that Varys lied about his getting cut by a sorcerer story and that he might not actually be a eunuch. This scene would seem to contradict those possibilities. There are greater mysteries about him and his motivations that this doesn't really impact.

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The Westeros.org community is batty about Varys (and a million other things).

Yeah, that place is a rabbit hole I try to avoid unless I can't find a reference to/quote from the books somewhere else.

I like reading their analysis of the episodes and then how they compare to the chapters the storylines are pulled from. They've been hypercritical though of this season until this week. Especially about Cat Stark, which I think "who cares" about really.