HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (1 Viewer)

[Uruk-Hai]

Not TV related, but I was rereading the sections at the end of ADWD trying to figure out (with the help of some great internet forum threads) what was really happening back at Winterfell towards the end of the book and I got curious about Roose Bolton.

After reading all the book passages that relate to him I was left wondering, what the hell is Roose Bolton?

Care to elaborate?

Spoiler

His age is a little ambiguous, he leeches himself and says that Ramsay (his *******'s) blood is bad since he doesn't use leeches, his eyes are pale/ice colored (this is mentioned maybe 100 times), the circumstances surrounding his other son's deaths is ambiguous, his house has been a historical enemy of the Starks and Roose betrayed them.

I think he may be some sort of agent for the Others. Or maybe even half Other himself. Possibly via the Night King story from Old Nan or something.

Spoiler

Love this kind of ####.

I've also seen the above speculation carried to this degree (and had it made a sort of insane sense):

Spoiler

The Others are actually the good guys and the Wall is there to keep southern people out of the North. I don't recall all of the arguments for this and I don't really believe it, but it was a well-though-out - if cherry-picking - theory that was sort of :headexplode:.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Not TV related, but I was rereading the sections at the end of ADWD trying to figure out (with the help of some great internet forum threads) what was really happening back at Winterfell towards the end of the book and I got curious about Roose Bolton.

After reading all the book passages that relate to him I was left wondering, what the hell is Roose Bolton?

Care to elaborate?

Spoiler

His age is a little ambiguous, he leeches himself and says that Ramsay (his *******'s) blood is bad since he doesn't use leeches, his eyes are pale/ice colored (this is mentioned maybe 100 times), the circumstances surrounding his other son's deaths is ambiguous, his house has been a historical enemy of the Starks and Roose betrayed them.

I think he may be some sort of agent for the Others. Or maybe even half Other himself. Possibly via the Night King story from Old Nan or something.

Spoiler

Love this kind of ####.

I've also seen the above speculation carried to this degree (and had it made a sort of insane sense):

Spoiler

The Others are actually the good guys and the Wall is there to keep southern people out of the North. I don't recall all of the arguments for this and I don't really believe it, but it was a well-though-out - if cherry-picking - theory that was sort of :headexplode:.

Wasn't the wall built by Bran the Builder?

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Not TV related, but I was rereading the sections at the end of ADWD trying to figure out (with the help of some great internet forum threads) what was really happening back at Winterfell towards the end of the book and I got curious about Roose Bolton.

After reading all the book passages that relate to him I was left wondering, what the hell is Roose Bolton?

Care to elaborate?

Spoiler

His age is a little ambiguous, he leeches himself and says that Ramsay (his *******'s) blood is bad since he doesn't use leeches, his eyes are pale/ice colored (this is mentioned maybe 100 times), the circumstances surrounding his other son's deaths is ambiguous, his house has been a historical enemy of the Starks and Roose betrayed them.

I think he may be some sort of agent for the Others. Or maybe even half Other himself. Possibly via the Night King story from Old Nan or something.

Spoiler

Love this kind of ####.

Spoiler

I've also seen the above speculation carried to this degree (and had it made a sort of insane sense):The Others are actually the good guys and the Wall is there to keep southern people out of the North. I don't recall all of the arguments for this and I don't really believe it, but it was a well-though-out - if cherry-picking - theory that was sort of :headexplode:.

Wasn't the wall built by Bran the Builder?

There are several quotes through the series with characters talking about how unreliable the historians were (Bran was supposedly LONG before written history). I'm not saying I believe what I put in spoilers, just that someone made a compelling argument - based on some characters reciting differing, wild contradictions from different sources - that the "history of Westeros" as is laid out by some of the POVs may not be true.

eta: sorta like how some who celebrate Christmas don't believe that some of the traditions don't have anything to do with Jesus, but were co-opted from other, older traditions. In other words, maybe Bran wasn't who the legends made him out to be.

 

[Gr00vus]

Not TV related, but I was rereading the sections at the end of ADWD trying to figure out (with the help of some great internet forum threads) what was really happening back at Winterfell towards the end of the book and I got curious about Roose Bolton.

After reading all the book passages that relate to him I was left wondering, what the hell is Roose Bolton?

Care to elaborate?

Spoiler

His age is a little ambiguous, he leeches himself and says that Ramsay (his *******'s) blood is bad since he doesn't use leeches, his eyes are pale/ice colored (this is mentioned maybe 100 times), the circumstances surrounding his other son's deaths is ambiguous, his house has been a historical enemy of the Starks and Roose betrayed them.

I think he may be some sort of agent for the Others. Or maybe even half Other himself. Possibly via the Night King story from Old Nan or something.

Spoiler

Love this kind of ####.

Spoiler

I've also seen the above speculation carried to this degree (and had it made a sort of insane sense):The Others are actually the good guys and the Wall is there to keep southern people out of the North. I don't recall all of the arguments for this and I don't really believe it, but it was a well-though-out - if cherry-picking - theory that was sort of :headexplode:.

Wasn't the wall built by Bran the Builder?

There are several quotes through the series with characters talking about how unreliable the historians were (Bran was supposedly LONG before written history). I'm not saying I believe what I put in spoilers, just that someone made a compelling argument - based on some characters reciting differing, wild contradictions from different sources - that the "history of Westeros" as is laid out by some of the POVs may not be true.

eta: sorta like how some who celebrate Christmas don't believe that some of the traditions don't have anything to do with Jesus, but were co-opted from other, older traditions. In other words, maybe Bran wasn't who the legends made him out to be.

Wait, are you telling me there's no Brantaclaus?

 

[EYLive]

lol

 

[Mjolnirs]

I saw the 15 Things You Didn't Know About Game of Thrones link floating around Facebook.

I thought this was interesting. Alfie Allen's sister is Lily Allen (never heard of her myself) and she has a song about Alfie.

Alfie

 

[Clifford]

So still no news on Winds of Winter? How long has he been working on this now?

ETA: Latest update is that there is no update.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So still no news on Winds of Winter? How long has he been working on this now?

ETA: Latest update is that there is no update.

Somebody said in another thread that there are at least 1000 manuscript pages completed. I think the last two books were longer than that though. I'm not sure how many manuscript pages translate to a regular page. Then how long the editing and publishing process is once the manuscript is complete. I think people were hopeful for this summer (after Season 4 was complete) or fall, but I doubt it happens in 2014.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

IIRC the expectation was about 1500 manuscript pages to a book. I'm guessing that if it's humanly possible he'll have it finished and available for sale this Christmas.

 

[Sabertooth]

IIRC the expectation was about 1500 manuscript pages to a book. I'm guessing that if it's humanly possible he'll have it finished and available for sale this Christmas.

Lol good one. No way he finishes it during the NFL season.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

IIRC the expectation was about 1500 manuscript pages to a book. I'm guessing that if it's humanly possible he'll have it finished and available for sale this Christmas.

Lol good one. No way he finishes it during the NFL season.

He'd have to finish it right around the start of NFL season to have it available for sale ahead of Christmas.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Is that when a release date would be availible? I've never been waiting for a book to come out before and I wanted to allow myself more time to re-read the others to refresh.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Is that when a release date would be availible? I've never been waiting for a book to come out before and I wanted to allow myself more time to re-read the others to refresh.

Good call. I need to re-read these and probably wont have the time to do so.

 

[Clifford]

Q1 2015 at earliest

 

[Tusken Raider]

Game of Thrones' Vine page has this Sunday's season 4 trailer (debuting at 8:58pm on HBO prior to True Detective) broken into a few sneak peeks.

I spy a red viper.

https://vine.co/GameofThrones

Looking forward to that scene quite a bit.

Definitely - should be one of the most intense and heartwrenching scenes of the season if HBO plays it up right.

 

[The Bandit]

New 15 min or so preview of the new season tonight. Lots of neat shots of big events book readers will recognize. They've brought back the Strong Belwas duel which should be awesome but I couldn't tell which character is standing in for Belwas. Also some definite confirmation that they are including material from A Dance With Dragons in this season, at least for Bran & Daenerys characters.

Awesome final shot in this teaser of one of the dragons.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

New 15 min or so preview of the new season tonight. Lots of neat shots of big events book readers will recognize. They've brought back the Strong Belwas duel which should be awesome but I couldn't tell which character is standing in for Belwas. Also some definite confirmation that they are including material from A Dance With Dragons in this season, at least for Bran & Daenerys characters.

Awesome final shot in this teaser of one of the dragons.

Daario is her champion.

 

[Rick James]

book spoilers

Spoiler

tv guys are going to be so disappointed with dany's story this season.

 

[Mjolnirs]

New 15 min or so preview of the new season tonight. Lots of neat shots of big events book readers will recognize. They've brought back the Strong Belwas duel which should be awesome but I couldn't tell which character is standing in for Belwas. Also some definite confirmation that they are including material from A Dance With Dragons in this season, at least for Bran & Daenerys characters.

Awesome final shot in this teaser of one of the dragons.

I liked the question asked of the actors about redeeming qualities of Joffrey.

book spoilers

Spoiler

tv guys are going to be so disappointed with dany's story this season.

As were all of us. But, what happens in King's Landing should help ease that.

 

[massraider]

Gawker link to 15 minute video preview:

http://gawker.com/heres-a-15-minute-preview-for-the-new-season-of-game-o-1519861688

EDIT:

much better Link:

http://www.hbo.com/#/game-of-thrones/about/video/season-4-a-foreshadowing.html/eNrjcmbO0CzLTEnNd8xLzKksyUx2zs8rSa0oUc-PSYEJBSSmp-ol5qYy5zMXsjGyMXIyMrJJJ5aW5BfkJFbalhSVpgIAXbkXOA==

 

[Barry]

Spoiler

hope there's room for Lady Stoneheart in the show. becoming the leader of and turning the BWOb into a vengeful killing machine is one of my favorite things in the book.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I've seen a few people saying that it appears A) Bronn will be taking on the role of Ilyn Payne for the show; B) Dany's story seems to go all the way through Dragons this season; and C) that Brienne's story seems to get through Crows.

My book recollection is a bit stale and blurred together. Can anybody help me with this?

 

[The Bandit]

At least as far as B) the preview had a quick discussion of the dragons growing up and being untamable. The final shot was a huge cgi dragon hunting what looks to be sheep in the countryside. There were also some Dany lines of dialogue talking about "how can I rule 7 kingdoms when I can't control one city" or something to that effect.

 

[CBusAlex]

I've seen a few people saying that it appears A) Bronn will be taking on the role of Ilyn Payne for the show;

Training with Jamie while he learns to fight left-handed, I guess? Can't think of much else Mr. Payne did.

If it gets Bronn more screen time, I'm all for it.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

At least as far as B) the preview had a quick discussion of the dragons growing up and being untamable. The final shot was a huge cgi dragon hunting what looks to be sheep in the countryside. There were also some Dany lines of dialogue talking about "how can I rule 7 kingdoms when I can't control one city" or something to that effect.

I guess I just can't remember where she was at the end of Swords. There's still a lot to her story with rulings, smoking out her enemies, etc., and I am sure there will be some leeway taken with her relationships with Daario and others who court her later.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I've seen a few people saying that it appears A) Bronn will be taking on the role of Ilyn Payne for the show;

Training with Jamie while he learns to fight left-handed, I guess? Can't think of much else Mr. Payne did.

If it gets Bronn more screen time, I'm all for it.

That actually will be awesome. While book Jaime gets to do that in silence, the banter between the TV characters will likely be brilliant. Perhaps Bronn is doing it as a favor to Tyrion and this further strengthens Tyrion and Jaime's relationship for viewers.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

I've seen a few people saying that it appears A) Bronn will be taking on the role of Ilyn Payne for the show; B) Dany's story seems to go all the way through Dragons this season; and C) that Brienne's story seems to get through Crows.

My book recollection is a bit stale and blurred together. Can anybody help me with this?

noticed this. smart, imo. Bronn and Jamie = Tons of fun lines, instead of clicking noises.

 

[The Bandit]

At least as far as B) the preview had a quick discussion of the dragons growing up and being untamable. The final shot was a huge cgi dragon hunting what looks to be sheep in the countryside. There were also some Dany lines of dialogue talking about "how can I rule 7 kingdoms when I can't control one city" or something to that effect.

I guess I just can't remember where she was at the end of Swords. There's still a lot to her story with rulings, smoking out her enemies, etc., and I am sure there will be some leeway taken with her relationships with Daario and others who court her later.

Yeah, it's hard to tell when they will work those scenes I mentioned in, could be episode 10 for all we know now. At the end of Storm she had just sacked the 3rd city and got word that the council she left to rule in Astapor had been overthrown by a new dictator which is one of the motivations for settling down in one city. There were definitely some shots of the Belwas duel and her army marching on another city so there should be no shortage of things for Dany to do this season. So far no real mention of Jorahs betrayal either so have to wonder when/if that gets squeezed in.

Definitely seems that the Royal Wedding is much earlier in the season, they showed scenes of Tyrions trial in the preview and the trial by combat.

 

[Rick James]

At least as far as B) the preview had a quick discussion of the dragons growing up and being untamable. The final shot was a huge cgi dragon hunting what looks to be sheep in the countryside. There were also some Dany lines of dialogue talking about "how can I rule 7 kingdoms when I can't control one city" or something to that effect.

I guess I just can't remember where she was at the end of Swords. There's still a lot to her story with rulings, smoking out her enemies, etc., and I am sure there will be some leeway taken with her relationships with Daario and others who court her later.

At the end of Swords, Dany:

Spoiler

chooses to stay and rule Mereen.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

At least as far as B) the preview had a quick discussion of the dragons growing up and being untamable. The final shot was a huge cgi dragon hunting what looks to be sheep in the countryside. There were also some Dany lines of dialogue talking about "how can I rule 7 kingdoms when I can't control one city" or something to that effect.

I guess I just can't remember where she was at the end of Swords. There's still a lot to her story with rulings, smoking out her enemies, etc., and I am sure there will be some leeway taken with her relationships with Daario and others who court her later.

Yeah, it's hard to tell when they will work those scenes I mentioned in, could be episode 10 for all we know now. At the end of Storm she had just sacked the 3rd city and got word that the council she left to rule in Astapor had been overthrown by a new dictator which is one of the motivations for settling down in one city. There were definitely some shots of the Belwas duel and her army marching on another city so there should be no shortage of things for Dany to do this season. So far no real mention of Jorahs betrayal either so have to wonder when/if that gets squeezed in.

Definitely seems that the Royal Wedding is much earlier in the season, they showed scenes of Tyrions trial in the preview and the trial by combat.

I think the Royal Wedding is episode 2 or 3. That is going to be great for my TV only friends.

 

[babydemon90]

. So far no real mention of Jorahs betrayal either so have to wonder when/if that gets squeezed in.

Hard to see that being an 'if'. Would be a fairly significant depature of so.

Wondering how they'll handle Brienne and Sansa in the city together - guessing they'll have Brienne locked up until after Sansa runs away?

 

[Clifford]

. So far no real mention of Jorahs betrayal either so have to wonder when/if that gets squeezed in.

Hard to see that being an 'if'. Would be a fairly significant depature of so.

Wondering how they'll handle Brienne and Sansa in the city together - guessing they'll have Brienne locked up until after Sansa runs away?

Already been covered no? When she sends him through the sewers?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

. So far no real mention of Jorahs betrayal either so have to wonder when/if that gets squeezed in.

Hard to see that being an 'if'. Would be a fairly significant depature of so.

Wondering how they'll handle Brienne and Sansa in the city together - guessing they'll have Brienne locked up until after Sansa runs away?

Already been covered no? When she sends him through the sewers?

Yea, but then she decides she still cannot trust him.

 

[Clifford]

Right but no further betrayals right? Can someone remind me what happened to Jorah? Been too long since I read all these books. Was right after season 1 finished.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Right but no further betrayals right? Can someone remind me what happened to Jorah? Been too long since I read all these books. Was right after season 1 finished.

He was ratting her out to King Robert and Varys, and Selmy lets the cat out of the bag after Jorah identifies him (they skipped much of this on the show), then she ostracizes him at some point and eventually he meets Tyrion in a bar.

 

[The Bandit]

Yeah, Dany's storyline in the show vs the books is a little jumbled since they changed up the attacking of the second city so much, I guess they wanted to focus on introducing Daario. Plus there was no Selmy hiding his identity which also figures into it.

My guess is they somehow rework the reveal to Dany of Jorah passing info to the Baratheons into some sort of a power/Dany's attention struggle between Daario & Jorah.

 

[Tom Hagen]

I've seen a few people saying that it appears A) Bronn will be taking on the role of Ilyn Payne for the show; B) Dany's story seems to go all the way through Dragons this season; and C) that Brienne's story seems to get through Crows.

My book recollection is a bit stale and blurred together. Can anybody help me with this?

Think we will get some Nimble ****?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I've seen a few people saying that it appears A) Bronn will be taking on the role of Ilyn Payne for the show; B) Dany's story seems to go all the way through Dragons this season; and C) that Brienne's story seems to get through Crows.

My book recollection is a bit stale and blurred together. Can anybody help me with this?

Think we will get some Nimble ****?

Bet that entire story is axed. Just reread that storyline all at once not too long ago and it couldn't be more stand-alone.

 

[Abrantes]

I hope we can accept by now that they won't be spending 3 full seasons on AFFC/ADWD.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I hope we can accept by now that they won't be spending 3 full seasons on AFFC/ADWD.

I doubt it will be three full seasons, but I think people underestimate how much good material there was in those two books.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

lady stoneheaert this season or no? or not at all?

Fairley seemes like shes off the show.

 

[EYLive]

I saw the 15 Things You Didn't Know About Game of Thrones link floating around Facebook.

I thought this was interesting. Alfie Allen's sister is Lily Allen (never heard of her myself) and she has a song about Alfie.

Alfie

I like most of her songs. I'm surprised she's not more famous in the U.S. Although I guess you can't play a lot of her stuff on pop radio.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

lady stoneheaert this season or no? or not at all?

Fairley seemes like shes off the show.

Maybe final scene.

 

[Gr00vus]

lady stoneheaert this season or no? or not at all?

Fairley seemes like shes off the show.

Maybe final scene.

I think part of the reason they chose her as the actress is her ability to pull that part of the role off physically. I doubt they drop it.

 

[The Bandit]

I hope we can accept by now that they won't be spending 3 full seasons on AFFC/ADWD.

I doubt it will be three full seasons, but I think people underestimate how much good material there was in those two books.

I agree, for example, I think they'll be able to get a ton of material out of Cersei & Margery's maneuvering plus the "sparrows" & the new grand sept or whatever he's called. I can't wait to see Cersei constantly #### everything up at every turn.

 

[Abrantes]

I hope we can accept by now that they won't be spending 3 full seasons on AFFC/ADWD.

I doubt it will be three full seasons, but I think people underestimate how much good material there was in those two books.

Au contraire. I know precisely how much little good material there was in those books.

Personal opinion on the books aside, being good written material doesn't mean much if it doesn't translate to the screen, or if it's simply well-written filler which the show won't use. I know most regular members's opinions on the subject already, I'm mostly just stirring the pot.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

New trailer from last night.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

lady stoneheaert this season or no? or not at all?

Fairley seemes like shes off the show.

Maybe final scene.

Yep

 

[rascal]

Looks freaking awesome

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think a AFFC and ADWD will ultimately be judged in light of the final two books. If they're an interlude that fills in all sorts of world-related material in-between the freight-train of the first three books and a juggernaut two book finale I think they'll be seen in a much better light than they are today.

If the final two books are also slowish and underwhelming I think the current view will hold.