HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (5 Viewers)

[JerseyToughGuys]

I'm avoiding those chapters.

good post

 

[=Smackdown=]

Winter is coming

6 days

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Winter is coming

6 days

No, winter won't come this season.

 

[The Duff Man]

Winter is coming

6 days

No, winter won't come this season.

Eternal winter is coming for the most despised character on TV

 

[Swing 51]

Reading The Grand Northern Conspiracy is making my head spin.

Wow do I need to read the last 2 books again.

 

[SeveredHorseHeads]

Ser Davos is awesome in this show. I love every scene with him.

Gendry: Is this some kind of trick?

Davos: Yes, but not on you.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

I looked up the Great Northern Conspiracy expecting to find something great and/or a conspiracy.

sorely disappointed.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Better title:

Speculation: Which Northerners might be plotting to rise up and retake Winterfell in the name of Starks.

Or did I miss something far more interesting and revealing?

 

[Slider6]

Better title:

Speculation: Which Northerners might be plotting to rise up and retake Winterfell in the name of Starks.

Or did I miss something far more interesting and revealing?

Spoiler

The conspiracy is that all of the Northerners are rising up to get rid of the Boltons and put Jon Snow (who Robb legitimized as a Stark) back into Winterfell

 

[Gr00vus]

What was in the pie?!?!?

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Better title:

Speculation: Which Northerners might be plotting to rise up and retake Winterfell in the name of Starks.

Or did I miss something far more interesting and revealing?

Spoiler

The conspiracy is that all of the Northerners are rising up to get rid of the Boltons and put Jon Snow (who Robb legitimized as a Stark) back into Winterfell

I know. That's boring and obvious.

 

[Slider6]

Better title:

Speculation: Which Northerners might be plotting to rise up and retake Winterfell in the name of Starks.

Or did I miss something far more interesting and revealing?

Spoiler

The conspiracy is that all of the Northerners are rising up to get rid of the Boltons and put Jon Snow (who Robb legitimized as a Stark) back into Winterfell

Spoiler

I know. That's boring and obvious.

The writer actually did a very good job of backing up his claims that everyone is in on it with a lot of book excerpts and some speculation & leaps of faith.

 

[Mister Martie]

Better title:

Speculation: Which Northerners might be plotting to rise up and retake Winterfell in the name of Starks.

Or did I miss something far more interesting and revealing?

Spoiler

The conspiracy is that all of the Northerners are rising up to get rid of the Boltons and put Jon Snow (who Robb legitimized as a Stark) back into Winterfell

Spoiler

I know. That's boring and obvious.

The writer actually did a very good job of backing up his claims that everyone is in on it with a lot of book excerpts and some speculation & leaps of faith.Agreed but the whole lynchpin seems to be the scene where Robb names Jon his heir. Considering this was cut out of the show, I'm struggling to think it is going to play a huge role going forward.

 

[flysack]

Better title:

Speculation: Which Northerners might be plotting to rise up and retake Winterfell in the name of Starks.

Or did I miss something far more interesting and revealing?

Spoiler

The conspiracy is that all of the Northerners are rising up to get rid of the Boltons and put Jon Snow (who Robb legitimized as a Stark) back into Winterfell

Spoiler

I know. That's boring and obvious.

Spoiler

The writer actually did a very good job of backing up his claims that everyone is in on it with a lot of book excerpts and some speculation & leaps of faith.

Agreed but the whole lynchpin seems to be the scene where Robb names Jon his heir. Considering this was cut out of the show, I'm struggling to think it is going to play a huge role going forward.It's be interesting to see if this was filmed, and cut - or just never bothered with. If they cut it in editing, I wonder how vocal Martin would be if the "conspiracy" is where he's writing. If he flips out, it gives away the surprise. If he says nothing, the TV people ####ed the whole thing up.....to a point. After all, this is TV. They could film the whole scene in retrospect - maybe Zombie Catelyn recalling it or one of the northern lords.

 

[Thunderlips]

Better title:

Speculation: Which Northerners might be plotting to rise up and retake Winterfell in the name of Starks.

Or did I miss something far more interesting and revealing?

Spoiler

The conspiracy is that all of the Northerners are rising up to get rid of the Boltons and put Jon Snow (who Robb legitimized as a Stark) back into Winterfell

Spoiler

I know. That's boring and obvious.

Spoiler

The writer actually did a very good job of backing up his claims that everyone is in on it with a lot of book excerpts and some speculation & leaps of faith.Agreed but the whole lynchpin seems to be the scene where Robb names Jon his heir. Considering this was cut out of the show, I'm struggling to think it is going to play a huge role going forward.

I think it's a bit of a middling point that he wasn't named Robb's heir. It's not like the Northmen have to follow the rules to get what they want. Plus, Jon can always be legitimized by the King......and if the rumors about Jon's lineage are true......being a Stark takes a backseat to being a Targeryan.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

show point - I thought once Bran & Rickon were believe to be killed by Theon and word reached Robb & his mom, that Robb was going to name Jon his heir, but old mommy struck it down, due to her hatred of him.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Better title:

Speculation: Which Northerners might be plotting to rise up and retake Winterfell in the name of Starks.

Or did I miss something far more interesting and revealing?

Spoiler

The conspiracy is that all of the Northerners are rising up to get rid of the Boltons and put Jon Snow (who Robb legitimized as a Stark) back into Winterfell

Spoiler

I know. That's boring and obvious.

Spoiler

The writer actually did a very good job of backing up his claims that everyone is in on it with a lot of book excerpts and some speculation & leaps of faith.Agreed but the whole lynchpin seems to be the scene where Robb names Jon his heir. Considering this was cut out of the show, I'm struggling to think it is going to play a huge role going forward.

Spoiler

I think it's a bit of a middling point that he wasn't named Robb's heir. It's not like the Northmen have to follow the rules to get what they want. Plus, Jon can always be legitimized by the King......and if the rumors about Jon's lineage are true......being a Stark takes a backseat to being a Targeryan.

He is only a Targ if Rhaegar and Lyanna actually wed. Otherwise, he should probably be a Sand and not a Snow. That said, I don't think the Great Northern Conspiracy is true. The actions of Lord Wyman Manderly in ADWD don't support that line of reasoning.

Manderly obviously hates the Freys and the Boltons (hell, he kills the Freys and the serves them to everyone in pies to eat). If he was part of the conspiracy to remove the Boltons and put Jon Snow/Stark back in Winterfell he wouldn't have told Davos to go find Rickon and Osha.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Better title:

Speculation: Which Northerners might be plotting to rise up and retake Winterfell in the name of Starks.

Or did I miss something far more interesting and revealing?

Spoiler

The conspiracy is that all of the Northerners are rising up to get rid of the Boltons and put Jon Snow (who Robb legitimized as a Stark) back into Winterfell

Spoiler

I know. That's boring and obvious.

Spoiler

The writer actually did a very good job of backing up his claims that everyone is in on it with a lot of book excerpts and some speculation & leaps of faith.Agreed but the whole lynchpin seems to be the scene where Robb names Jon his heir. Considering this was cut out of the show, I'm struggling to think it is going to play a huge role going forward.

Spoiler

I think it's a bit of a middling point that he wasn't named Robb's heir. It's not like the Northmen have to follow the rules to get what they want. Plus, Jon can always be legitimized by the King......and if the rumors about Jon's lineage are true......being a Stark takes a backseat to being a Targeryan.

Spoiler

He is only a Targ if Rhaegar and Lyanna actually wed. Otherwise, he should probably be a Sand and not a Snow. That said, I don't think the Great Northern Conspiracy is true. The actions of Lord Wyman Manderly in ADWD don't support that line of reasoning.

Manderly obviously hates the Freys and the Boltons (hell, he kills the Freys and the serves them to everyone in pies to eat). If he was part of the conspiracy to remove the Boltons and put Jon Snow/Stark back in Winterfell he wouldn't have told Davos to go find Rickon and Osha.

Whoa... don't agree with that at all. Turning up one of the Starks ends Bolton's reign no matter what else does or doesn't happen.

The whole thing isn't going to be dead accurate, and there are parts of it that are a lot more compelling than others, but the gist of the conspiracy will be borne out IMO.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Better title:

Speculation: Which Northerners might be plotting to rise up and retake Winterfell in the name of Starks.

Or did I miss something far more interesting and revealing?

Spoiler

The conspiracy is that all of the Northerners are rising up to get rid of the Boltons and put Jon Snow (who Robb legitimized as a Stark) back into Winterfell

Spoiler

I know. That's boring and obvious.

Spoiler

The writer actually did a very good job of backing up his claims that everyone is in on it with a lot of book excerpts and some speculation & leaps of faith.Agreed but the whole lynchpin seems to be the scene where Robb names Jon his heir. Considering this was cut out of the show, I'm struggling to think it is going to play a huge role going forward.

Spoiler

I think it's a bit of a middling point that he wasn't named Robb's heir. It's not like the Northmen have to follow the rules to get what they want. Plus, Jon can always be legitimized by the King......and if the rumors about Jon's lineage are true......being a Stark takes a backseat to being a Targeryan.

Spoiler

He is only a Targ if Rhaegar and Lyanna actually wed. Otherwise, he should probably be a Sand and not a Snow. That said, I don't think the Great Northern Conspiracy is true. The actions of Lord Wyman Manderly in ADWD don't support that line of reasoning.

Manderly obviously hates the Freys and the Boltons (hell, he kills the Freys and the serves them to everyone in pies to eat). If he was part of the conspiracy to remove the Boltons and put Jon Snow/Stark back in Winterfell he wouldn't have told Davos to go find Rickon and Osha.

Spoiler

Whoa... don't agree with that at all. Turning up one of the Starks ends Bolton's reign no matter what else does or doesn't happen.

The whole thing isn't going to be dead accurate, and there are parts of it that are a lot more compelling than others, but the gist of the conspiracy will be borne out IMO.

But The North *has* a Stark if Jon was legitimatized. If he wasn't, accepting Stannis as a king and letting him legitimatize Jon accomplishes the exact same thing. Sending off Davos and withholding support (when time is of the essence) in the hopes that he *might* find Rickon on an island supposedly filled with cannibals is stupid. Rally support behind Jon and take Winterfell before the Boltons can make it *their* stronghold.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I've not read the theory, but is the thinking that by Robb's actions, Jon has leapfrogged all of the Stark kids in terms of being the rightful lawful heir? Robb's main goal was to make sure Sansa would not have the right to put her husband in the throne at Winterfell. Is Sansa older than Jon? Does that mean that even if Bran, Rickon, Sansa, etc were to make a claim, that they are now behind Jon in terms of heir rights?

 

[thecatch]

I've not read the theory, but is the thinking that by Robb's actions, Jon has leapfrogged all of the Stark kids in terms of being the rightful lawful heir? Robb's main goal was to make sure Sansa would not have the right to put her husband in the throne at Winterfell. Is Sansa older than Jon? Does that mean that even if Bran, Rickon, Sansa, etc were to make a claim, that they are now behind Jon in terms of heir rights?

If Jon was legitimized, yes, he's the next oldest male heir.

 

[Thunderlips]

But The North *has* a Stark if Jon was legitimatized. If he wasn't, accepting Stannis as a king and letting him legitimatize Jon accomplishes the exact same thing. Sending off Davos and withholding support (when time is of the essence) in the hopes that he *might* find Rickon on an island supposedly filled with cannibals is stupid. Rally support behind Jon and take Winterfell before the Boltons can make it *their* stronghold.

Manderly will accept Stannis as the King if Davos finds and brings back Rickon....that's a little more in line with his loyalty to the Starks than simply wanting Stannis to legitimize Jon.

 

[Cold Dead Hands]

Remember that if the Northern lords want a king in the North, that king only needs the support of his lords.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

Remember that if the Northern lords want a king in the North, that king only needs the support of his lords.

That's worked out well so far...

 

[jdoggydogg]

DJ Hodor

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Rast is putting a baby out for sacrifice in the one preview?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I do like how Theon's sister is taking up arms for him in the show. I assume she will meet up in the middle with Stannis next season.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

http://youtu.be/vU8eL2CjzHw

 

[massraider]

Is that a different actor portraying Daario? I do not approve.

 

[Mister Martie]

Is that a different actor portraying Daario? I do not approve.

It's weird.

 

[Swing 51]

Red Viper referenced Rhaegar's relationship with Lyanna?

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

Red Viper referenced Rhaegar's relationship with Lyanna?

He did. She must of been a hot babe tempted both Rheagar and Robert.

 

[massraider]

Is that a different actor portraying Daario? I do not approve.

It's weird.

http://variety.com/2014/film/news/thrones-ed-skrein-transporter-jason-statham-1201091882/

Is starring in a roboot of The Transporter series, replacing Statham.

So he wasn't replaced, on to bigger and better........I guess.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Saying the mountain killed Elia?

 

[jplvr]

Saying the mountain killed Elia?

Whats the question?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Saying the mountain killed Elia?

Whats the question?

Never mind. I was thinking about lyanna.

Was Oberyn into dudes in the book?

 

[jplvr]

Saying the mountain killed Elia?

Whats the question?

Never mind. I was thinking about lyanna.

Was Oberyn into dudes in the book?

I cant remember where i saw that rumor, but i wasnt surprised when he started up with the dude. I cant remember anything from the books myself.

 

[Mister Martie]

Saying the mountain killed Elia?

Whats the question?

Never mind. I was thinking about lyanna. Was Oberyn into dudes in the book?

I cant remember where i saw that rumor, but i wasnt surprised when he started up with the dude. I cant remember anything from the books myself.

I think he was described in the book as not really discriminating between dudes and girls. Could be wrong though.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Red Viper referenced Rhaegar's relationship with Lyanna?

He did. She must of been a hot babe tempted both Rheagar and Robert.

Partly - but it was mainly because of something that Rhaegar read that convinced him that he needed to have more children - and Elia IIRC wasn't strong enough to have more children.

 

[sn0mm1s]

Saying the mountain killed Elia?

Whats the question?

Never mind. I was thinking about lyanna.Was Oberyn into dudes in the book?

I cant remember where i saw that rumor, but i wasnt surprised when he started up with the dude. I cant remember anything from the books myself.

I think he was described in the book as not really discriminating between dudes and girls. Could be wrong though.

Yes, this was mentioned by Jaime I think - but only as a rumor. He brought it up because Oberyn Martell was one of the possible matches Tywin was considering for Cersei to remarry.

 

[sn0mm1s]

I wasn't too happy with the Arya and Hound scene at the inn. It is probably my favorite scene in the books (although the new chapter on GRRM's site rivals it) and it just didn't feel the same.

 

[Kraft...]

I hate Shae! I find the actress playing her increasingly annoying also, I guess she's doing a good job.

I thought the inn scene was cool, especially the end

 

[strykerpks]

I hate Shae! I find the actress playing her increasingly annoying also, I guess she's doing a good job.

I thought the inn scene was cool, especially the end

They're obviously going the jilted lover route with her

I kinda agree about the Arya/Hound scene. Though they really didn't flesh out the storyline between Arya and whatshisface. TV people wouldn't understand

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Why didn't we like the Arya scene?

Apparently there are lady Stoneheart subway posters. Pretty big spoiler by HBO.

 

[Rick James]

I wasn't too happy with the Arya and Hound scene at the inn. It is probably my favorite scene in the books (although the new chapter on GRRM's site rivals it) and it just didn't feel the same.

In the books, wasn't The Hound gravely wounded during that scene?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I wasn't too happy with the Arya and Hound scene at the inn. It is probably my favorite scene in the books (although the new chapter on GRRM's site rivals it) and it just didn't feel the same.

In the books, wasn't The Hound gravely wounded during that scene?

Yes.

I actually loved the Arya scene in the bar..I actually watched it a couple of times.

 

[Mister Martie]

I wasn't too happy with the Arya and Hound scene at the inn. It is probably my favorite scene in the books (although the new chapter on GRRM's site rivals it) and it just didn't feel the same.

In the books, wasn't The Hound gravely wounded during that scene?

Yes.I actually loved the Arya scene in the bar..I actually watched it a couple of times.

I also thought it was great.

 

[=Smackdown=]

I wasn't too happy with the Arya and Hound scene at the inn. It is probably my favorite scene in the books (although the new chapter on GRRM's site rivals it) and it just didn't feel the same.

In the books, wasn't The Hound gravely wounded during that scene?

Didn't he get nicked in the back of the leg?

Festering wound that becomes infected.

 

[Rick James]

I thought it was good too. They really give Sandor the best lines. Just curious how he's going to "die".

 

[KarmaPolice]

Why didn't we like the Arya scene?

Apparently there are lady Stoneheart subway posters. Pretty big spoiler by HBO.

Really surprised at what is being talked about/shown. Even stuff they show in the Season previews in the magazines, etc.. are giving a lot of really leading hints.