HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners (6 Viewers)

[Bigboy10182000]

Is this freaking turd Martin done? I haven't heard anything about a possible release date for Winds of Winter in months. What the hell is this guy doing?

ETA: I think I just killed Arya

Editor's response

For TWOW, when I have a date, you will have a date. I'm now on Twitter, Del Rey Spectra has a number of social media platforms, and I promise you we will put the word out as soon as we know. All I can say is that George is hard at work, and we hope to have it reasonably soon. I currently have 168 pages that he submitted back in Feb 2013 in order to receive a contracted payment, but I know more exists, because he keeps talking about chapter he hasn't yet sent me. In fact, when we wanted to put an exclusive excerpt on the A WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE app-a magnificent thing which you all should buy and use!-he suggested the second Tyrion chapter, which I then had to remind him was not in the sample I had.

man if GRRM only has two Tyrion chapters written, I might just peace out and let HBO finish the damn story.

HBO is gonna finish the story long before the books come out

It will be awesome if all the HBO people come in here and post spoilers before we've finished the books.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Is this freaking turd Martin done? I haven't heard anything about a possible release date for Winds of Winter in months. What the hell is this guy doing?

ETA: I think I just killed Arya

Editor's response

For TWOW, when I have a date, you will have a date. I'm now on Twitter, Del Rey Spectra has a number of social media platforms, and I promise you we will put the word out as soon as we know. All I can say is that George is hard at work, and we hope to have it reasonably soon. I currently have 168 pages that he submitted back in Feb 2013 in order to receive a contracted payment, but I know more exists, because he keeps talking about chapter he hasn't yet sent me. In fact, when we wanted to put an exclusive excerpt on the A WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE app-a magnificent thing which you all should buy and use!-he suggested the second Tyrion chapter, which I then had to remind him was not in the sample I had.

man if GRRM only has two Tyrion chapters written, I might just peace out and let HBO finish the damn story.

HBO is gonna finish the story long before the books come out

And once HBO has finished the story, his motivation to complete the books will wane.

I just think it will give him motivation to come up with an entirely different ending.

And then all the book people will ##### and moan that the book does not match the show...

I would assume if HBO wanted to jump ahead of the books, Marin would be on board.

I don't think it will come to that.

it pretty much will pass some storylines in season 5 of the show, Bran and Sansa are pretty much caught up.

I can see em not doing much with Bran, but Sansa/Littlefinger are pretty important characters to just leave sitting around

 

[FatMax]

Is this freaking turd Martin done? I haven't heard anything about a possible release date for Winds of Winter in months. What the hell is this guy doing?

ETA: I think I just killed Arya

Editor's response

For TWOW, when I have a date, you will have a date. I'm now on Twitter, Del Rey Spectra has a number of social media platforms, and I promise you we will put the word out as soon as we know. All I can say is that George is hard at work, and we hope to have it reasonably soon. I currently have 168 pages that he submitted back in Feb 2013 in order to receive a contracted payment, but I know more exists, because he keeps talking about chapter he hasn't yet sent me. In fact, when we wanted to put an exclusive excerpt on the A WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE app-a magnificent thing which you all should buy and use!-he suggested the second Tyrion chapter, which I then had to remind him was not in the sample I had.

man if GRRM only has two Tyrion chapters written, I might just peace out and let HBO finish the damn story.

HBO is gonna finish the story long before the books come out

And once HBO has finished the story, his motivation to complete the books will wane.

I just think it will give him motivation to come up with an entirely different ending.

And then all the book people will ##### and moan that the book does not match the show...

I would assume if HBO wanted to jump ahead of the books, Marin would be on board.

I don't think it will come to that.

it pretty much will pass some storylines in season 5 of the show, Bran and Sansa are pretty much caught up.

I can see em not doing much with Bran, but Sansa/Littlefinger are pretty important characters to just leave sitting around

I think they could pretty easily skate though one more season with Bran in the magic cave with the Children of the Forrest, but I don't know WTF they're going to do with Sansa and Littlefinger.

Side note/question ... does the TV series even mention the Children of the Forrest? I don't remember.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I enjoyed the episode quite a bit, but something that non-book readers could have used a line or two was the lighting of the torches above all of the "crow dummies" along the wall. I thought it was cool that they showed it and the shot of the wall lighting up across a wide swath was cool.

I didn't miss them mentioning the dummies holding torches to catch arrows, did I?

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Is this freaking turd Martin done? I haven't heard anything about a possible release date for Winds of Winter in months. What the hell is this guy doing?

ETA: I think I just killed Arya

Editor's response

For TWOW, when I have a date, you will have a date. I'm now on Twitter, Del Rey Spectra has a number of social media platforms, and I promise you we will put the word out as soon as we know. All I can say is that George is hard at work, and we hope to have it reasonably soon. I currently have 168 pages that he submitted back in Feb 2013 in order to receive a contracted payment, but I know more exists, because he keeps talking about chapter he hasn't yet sent me. In fact, when we wanted to put an exclusive excerpt on the A WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE app-a magnificent thing which you all should buy and use!-he suggested the second Tyrion chapter, which I then had to remind him was not in the sample I had.

man if GRRM only has two Tyrion chapters written, I might just peace out and let HBO finish the damn story.

HBO is gonna finish the story long before the books come out

And once HBO has finished the story, his motivation to complete the books will wane.

I just think it will give him motivation to come up with an entirely different ending.

And then all the book people will ##### and moan that the book does not match the show...

I would assume if HBO wanted to jump ahead of the books, Marin would be on board.

I don't think it will come to that.

it pretty much will pass some storylines in season 5 of the show, Bran and Sansa are pretty much caught up.

I can see em not doing much with Bran, but Sansa/Littlefinger are pretty important characters to just leave sitting around

I think they could pretty easily skate though one more season with Bran in the magic cave with the Children of the Forrest, but I don't know WTF they're going to do with Sansa and Littlefinger.

Side note/question ... does the TV series even mention the Children of the Forrest? I don't remember.

Next episode is titled "The Children", so if there was ever a time...

The Children episode info

Spoiler

"Season Four Finale: An unexpected arrival north of the wall changes circumstances. Dany is forced to face some harsh realities. Bran learns more of his destiny. Tyrion sees the truth of his situation."

You have to wonder if that's the order they present the episode. Ending with Tyrion busting out the crossbow...

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

He did, sighted her, recognized her, and plugged her with an arrow.

I don't think this is how it went down. Doesn't he just find her on the batttlefield pre-plugged with said arrow?

this is how I remember it. thought he just finds her after the battle winds down.

Yep. I was hoping Sam got her after she killed pyp and Jon just found her like the book.

 

[FatMax]

I wish the show had (who I assumed to be) zombie Uncle Benjen riding his big, dead elk. Obviously, the Bran storyline needed some filling anyway (Craster's capture, etc), and that was a cool/creepy part of the book that I enjoyed.

 

[PatsWillWin]

but the MOST BADASS thing was the Giant who fired a damn arrow/spear and knocked a crow off the wall and into the fight down below. that was insane.

Laughed out loud. That was the balls.

 

[JerseyToughGuys]

has he Horn of Winter been mentioned in the show?

that's an interesting twist/detail in the whole Mance saga.

 

[MASSHOLE]

Is this freaking turd Martin done? I haven't heard anything about a possible release date for Winds of Winter in months. What the hell is this guy doing?

ETA: I think I just killed Arya

Editor's response

For TWOW, when I have a date, you will have a date. I'm now on Twitter, Del Rey Spectra has a number of social media platforms, and I promise you we will put the word out as soon as we know. All I can say is that George is hard at work, and we hope to have it reasonably soon. I currently have 168 pages that he submitted back in Feb 2013 in order to receive a contracted payment, but I know more exists, because he keeps talking about chapter he hasn't yet sent me. In fact, when we wanted to put an exclusive excerpt on the A WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE app-a magnificent thing which you all should buy and use!-he suggested the second Tyrion chapter, which I then had to remind him was not in the sample I had.

Martins a slow writer. Very slow. Guy started this series back in 91', published that book 5 years later in 96'. 5 books since 91? ####. I may be dead before he finishes.

Splitting each book to 2 HBO seasons will buy some time, but eventually there has always been the thought (reality) that the show will catch up to the books.

On top of that I read he told the directors of the HBO series his vision for the ending in case he dies. (which as someone mentioned I'm sure will end up being different than the books)

I wish the show had (who I assumed to be) zombie Uncle Benjen riding his big, dead elk. Obviously, the Bran storyline needed some filling anyway (Craster's capture, etc), and that was a cool/creepy part of the book that I enjoyed.

what about Coldhands being Benjen??

 

[dfwboiler]

Extended trailer for episode 10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc1mrCjHrfM&sns=em

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Extended trailer for episode 10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc1mrCjHrfM&sns=em

How is that all going to fit into one episode? There are like 4 major cliff hangers hinted at and the big one that I think will be the real one (unCat) isn't even one of them.

 

[massraider]

Extended trailer for episode 10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc1mrCjHrfM&sns=em

How is that all going to fit into one episode? There are like 4 major cliff hangers hinted at and the big one that I think will be the real one (unCat) isn't even one of them.

Geez, if Cat isn't the last scene of the season, they are missing out.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Extended trailer for episode 10

I wish the writers would just cut it.

 

[FattyVM]

Is this freaking turd Martin done? I haven't heard anything about a possible release date for Winds of Winter in months. What the hell is this guy doing?

ETA: I think I just killed Arya

Editor's response

For TWOW, when I have a date, you will have a date. I'm now on Twitter, Del Rey Spectra has a number of social media platforms, and I promise you we will put the word out as soon as we know. All I can say is that George is hard at work, and we hope to have it reasonably soon. I currently have 168 pages that he submitted back in Feb 2013 in order to receive a contracted payment, but I know more exists, because he keeps talking about chapter he hasn't yet sent me. In fact, when we wanted to put an exclusive excerpt on the A WORLD OF ICE AND FIRE app-a magnificent thing which you all should buy and use!-he suggested the second Tyrion chapter, which I then had to remind him was not in the sample I had.

Oh. Good. Welcome to the AFoC and ADwD wait all of new readers, and at least he has a westeros zombie in Catelyn he can kill again and again until the end of time.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

With the amount of complaining and lack of paying attention in the other thread, I'm worried about the show losing viewers over the next season or two and the show not making through the end of the books.

 

[renesauz]

So, wwhy did they change it from Snow killing Ygritte to the boy? So much less impactful as a death, as a vehicle for Jon's character development, and there didn't seem to be a single reason for it. He could have picked up a bow just as easily and done it himself.

Other than that great episode. That was the only departure I objected to.

Snow didn't kill her in the book either....he finds her body after the battle, killed with an arrow, and has no way to know who killed her

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

With the amount of complaining and lack of paying attention in the other thread, I'm worried about the show losing viewers over the next season or two and the show not making through the end of the books.

season 5 & 6 are already re-newed. but yeah if the viewership wanes who knows. They might just end it in 7.

the showrunners will probably hack n slash crows & dragons up good too.

 

[Tom Hagen]

Extended trailer for episode 10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc1mrCjHrfM&sns=em

I was afraid they would change Shae's story line but there she is in bed.

I hope the scene with Arya and the ship captain makes it in this week also.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

With the amount of complaining and lack of paying attention in the other thread, I'm worried about the show losing viewers over the next season or two and the show not making through the end of the books.

Are views trending in a bad direction?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Extended trailer for episode 10

The zombies, and particularly ZombieCat, are my least favorite part of the books. I would be happy if the HBO writers decided to just write that part out of the show, but they've already opened the door a bit with Donndarion.

 

[Braktastic]

What the hell is this guy doing?

I'm not sure, but I bet it involves a whole lot of gravy.

lol The guy describes food with way more passion than he described sex scenes in his books, so this is a safe bet.

 

[sn0mm1s]

With the amount of complaining and lack of paying attention in the other thread, I'm worried about the show losing viewers over the next season or two and the show not making through the end of the books.

Nah... this finale will draw everyone back in. With Tyrion killing Tywin and Shae and then getting shipped off *everyone* will want to find out what happens to him. Plus, we will likely get the beginnings of Arya going to Braavos and, perhaps, Lady Stoneheart. Plenty of interesting hooks to bring viewers back.

 

[Thunderlips]

With the amount of complaining and lack of paying attention in the other thread, I'm worried about the show losing viewers over the next season or two and the show not making through the end of the books.

Are views trending in a bad direction?

Anecdotaly, the funniest thing about non book complaints are that they're more or less complaining about the stuff that wasn't in the books; but was added.

In hindsight, if they were looking to pad these stories in an effort to give Martin some time....they should have done this season, more or less by the book and then gone with a Robert's Rebellion season for next year...... with the reveal at the finale being that Jon Snow is Rheagar and Lyanna Stark's kid. The would have given them major pop when they started Season 6 AND have put the series on a concrete path to what most presume to be the final conflict (Dany, Jon, Tyrion and Dragons versus The White Walkers). Can you imagine the outrage and shock, when showing the significance of Jon's heritage....only to have him stabbed at the end of Season 6? Epic........

 

[strykerpks]

Did Aemon reveal that he was a Targ prior to this episode?

 

[sdp1226]

Did Aemon reveal that he was a Targ prior to this episode?

I believe that me mentioned this to Jon in season 1.

 

[butcher boy]

With the amount of complaining and lack of paying attention in the other thread, I'm worried about the show losing viewers over the next season or two and the show not making through the end of the books.

Are views trending in a bad direction?

Anecdotaly, the funniest thing about non book complaints are that they're more or less complaining about the stuff that wasn't in the books; but was added.

In hindsight, if they were looking to pad these stories in an effort to give Martin some time....they should have done this season, more or less by the book and then gone with a Robert's Rebellion season for next year...... with the reveal at the finale being that Jon Snow is Rheagar and Lyanna Stark's kid. The would have given them major pop when they started Season 6 AND have put the series on a concrete path to what most presume to be the final conflict (Dany, Jon, Tyrion and Dragons versus The White Walkers). Can you imagine the outrage and shock, when showing the significance of Jon's heritage....only to have him stabbed at the end of Season 6? Epic........

If they did an entire season solely as a flashback, that would confuse the non-book readers even more. Imagine when season 6 begins and everyone is asking "Wait... who was that guy again?"

 

[Mister Martie]

I wonder if they will end this season's Jon storyline with Stannis offering to make him Jon Stark. I just don't see how they can fit all the stuff I expect to happen into this episode.

 

[thecatch]

I wonder if they will end this season's Jon storyline with Stannis offering to make him Jon Stark. I just don't see how they can fit all the stuff I expect to happen into this episode.

I think we're going to be disappointed in the conclusion to the wall battle. They probably don't have the time or resources to do it justice given everything else they have to get to.

 

[Gr00vus]

I wonder if they will end this season's Jon storyline with Stannis offering to make him Jon Stark. I just don't see how they can fit all the stuff I expect to happen into this episode.

I think we're going to be disappointed in the conclusion to the wall battle. They probably don't have the time or resources to do it justice given everything else they have to get to.

I imagine they take us just short of the final wall battle, they probably cut that part right when Stannis shows up and then leave the resolution for next season, 5-10 minutes tops spent on the wall in this last episode.

 

[FatMax]

The wall battle wasn't that long or drawn out in the books though. IIRC, Stannis comes in waxes everyone in short order, and it's over in just a few pages.

 

[Thunderlips]

With the amount of complaining and lack of paying attention in the other thread, I'm worried about the show losing viewers over the next season or two and the show not making through the end of the books.

Are views trending in a bad direction?

Anecdotaly, the funniest thing about non book complaints are that they're more or less complaining about the stuff that wasn't in the books; but was added.

In hindsight, if they were looking to pad these stories in an effort to give Martin some time....they should have done this season, more or less by the book and then gone with a Robert's Rebellion season for next year...... with the reveal at the finale being that Jon Snow is Rheagar and Lyanna Stark's kid. The would have given them major pop when they started Season 6 AND have put the series on a concrete path to what most presume to be the final conflict (Dany, Jon, Tyrion and Dragons versus The White Walkers). Can you imagine the outrage and shock, when showing the significance of Jon's heritage....only to have him stabbed at the end of Season 6? Epic........

If they did an entire season solely as a flashback, that would confuse the non-book readers even more. Imagine when season 6 begins and everyone is asking "Wait... who was that guy again?"

If they framed it right, it could work. Shows like The Wire went season to season introducing new points and characters. Hell, GoT has seen a pretty big transition in POV and main characters.

Looking ahead, I don't know how much pop they'll gleam from the upcoming story threads....significant time with the Boltons, Briene, Stannis at the Wall and new characters in Dorne IMO, isn't going to blow up many skirts. Nevermind the idea that the Dany story will bog down and the Tyrion storyline will introduce a whole new cog in the machine.

To me, the show should be tighter than it is and this past season as meandered in a bad direction. I don't know how much of the added content is an effort to pad or maybe the show creators trying to make their own unique mark.....but I think this thing will bog down more....*

* Not to say I still don't enjoy it as it's better than 95% of other stuff on TV.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The wall battle wasn't that long or drawn out in the books though. IIRC, Stannis comes in waxes everyone in short order, and it's over in just a few pages.

What book and chapter was this in? I wanted to go re-read this battle

 

[FatMax]

The wall battle wasn't that long or drawn out in the books though. IIRC, Stannis comes in waxes everyone in short order, and it's over in just a few pages.

What book and chapter was this in? I wanted to go re-read this battle

Somewhere near the end of Storm of Swords. Not sure which chapter, but almost certainly a Jon Snow one.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

With the amount of complaining and lack of paying attention in the other thread, I'm worried about the show losing viewers over the next season or two and the show not making through the end of the books.

Are views trending in a bad direction?

Anecdotaly, the funniest thing about non book complaints are that they're more or less complaining about the stuff that wasn't in the books; but was added.

In hindsight, if they were looking to pad these stories in an effort to give Martin some time....they should have done this season, more or less by the book and then gone with a Robert's Rebellion season for next year...... with the reveal at the finale being that Jon Snow is Rheagar and Lyanna Stark's kid. The would have given them major pop when they started Season 6 AND have put the series on a concrete path to what most presume to be the final conflict (Dany, Jon, Tyrion and Dragons versus The White Walkers). Can you imagine the outrage and shock, when showing the significance of Jon's heritage....only to have him stabbed at the end of Season 6? Epic........

If they did an entire season solely as a flashback, that would confuse the non-book readers even more. Imagine when season 6 begins and everyone is asking "Wait... who was that guy again?"

If they framed it right, it could work. Shows like The Wire went season to season introducing new points and characters. Hell, GoT has seen a pretty big transition in POV and main characters.

Looking ahead, I don't know how much pop they'll gleam from the upcoming story threads....significant time with the Boltons, Briene, Stannis at the Wall and new characters in Dorne IMO, isn't going to blow up many skirts. Nevermind the idea that the Dany story will bog down and the Tyrion storyline will introduce a whole new cog in the machine.

To me, the show should be tighter than it is and this past season as meandered in a bad direction. I don't know how much of the added content is an effort to pad or maybe the show creators trying to make their own unique mark.....but I think this thing will bog down more....*

* Not to say I still don't enjoy it as it's better than 95% of other stuff on TV.

If anything with the Dany story they could of spent more time in Qarth and the other slavers bay cities.

TV people are going to get bored fast with that story, bunch of dudes showing up trying to marry her? unsullied getting offed? Little screen time to the dragons as it is.

and Im assuming that in epsiode 10 alot of the last cool deaths happen.

whats the big cliffhangers/events after this season? Maybe Brienne dies? Maybe Jon dies? Make up a maybe Tyrion dies? Cersei's naked walk?

 

[Norman Paperman]

The wall battle wasn't that long or drawn out in the books though. IIRC, Stannis comes in waxes everyone in short order, and it's over in just a few pages.

What book and chapter was this in? I wanted to go re-read this battle

Somewhere near the end of Storm of Swords. Not sure which chapter, but almost certainly a Jon Snow one.

Chapter 73 in iBooks

 

[Bigboy10182000]

With the amount of complaining and lack of paying attention in the other thread, I'm worried about the show losing viewers over the next season or two and the show not making through the end of the books.

Are views trending in a bad direction?

Anecdotaly, the funniest thing about non book complaints are that they're more or less complaining about the stuff that wasn't in the books; but was added.

In hindsight, if they were looking to pad these stories in an effort to give Martin some time....they should have done this season, more or less by the book and then gone with a Robert's Rebellion season for next year...... with the reveal at the finale being that Jon Snow is Rheagar and Lyanna Stark's kid. The would have given them major pop when they started Season 6 AND have put the series on a concrete path to what most presume to be the final conflict (Dany, Jon, Tyrion and Dragons versus The White Walkers). Can you imagine the outrage and shock, when showing the significance of Jon's heritage....only to have him stabbed at the end of Season 6? Epic........

If they did an entire season solely as a flashback, that would confuse the non-book readers even more. Imagine when season 6 begins and everyone is asking "Wait... who was that guy again?"

If they framed it right, it could work. Shows like The Wire went season to season introducing new points and characters. Hell, GoT has seen a pretty big transition in POV and main characters.

Looking ahead, I don't know how much pop they'll gleam from the upcoming story threads....significant time with the Boltons, Briene, Stannis at the Wall and new characters in Dorne IMO, isn't going to blow up many skirts. Nevermind the idea that the Dany story will bog down and the Tyrion storyline will introduce a whole new cog in the machine.

To me, the show should be tighter than it is and this past season as meandered in a bad direction. I don't know how much of the added content is an effort to pad or maybe the show creators trying to make their own unique mark.....but I think this thing will bog down more....*

* Not to say I still don't enjoy it as it's better than 95% of other stuff on TV.

If anything with the Dany story they could of spent more time in Qarth and the other slavers bay cities.

TV people are going to get bored fast with that story, bunch of dudes showing up trying to marry her? unsullied getting offed? Little screen time to the dragons as it is.

and Im assuming that in epsiode 10 alot of the last cool deaths happen.

whats the big cliffhangers/events after this season? Maybe Brienne dies? Maybe Jon dies? Make up a maybe Tyrion dies? Cersei's naked walk?

The Sons of the Harpy along with the dragon drama could be enough to fill a couple season IMO and you can add the war she is about to face leading up to her marriage as well.

 

[Norman Paperman]

The Sons of the Harpy along with the dragon drama could be enough to fill a couple season IMO and you can add the war she is about to face leading up to her marriage as well.

God, I hope not...

 

[parrot]

The wall battle wasn't that long or drawn out in the books though. IIRC, Stannis comes in waxes everyone in short order, and it's over in just a few pages.

What book and chapter was this in? I wanted to go re-read this battle

Somewhere near the end of Storm of Swords. Not sure which chapter, but almost certainly a Jon Snow one.

ASoS. Jon VIII & IX. Actually the battle for the gate goes on for days in the book, before Slynt orders Jon to go out and try to kill Mace.

 

[Mister Martie]

My guess is they'll have Hizdar come back from Yunkai with an army at his back. His demands will be for Dany to marry him. She will agree and then the dragon/arena bit will happen. That's one season worth of stuff IMO. Not much meat left in Dany's story.

 

[Norman Paperman]

The wall battle wasn't that long or drawn out in the books though. IIRC, Stannis comes in waxes everyone in short order, and it's over in just a few pages.

What book and chapter was this in? I wanted to go re-read this battle

Somewhere near the end of Storm of Swords. Not sure which chapter, but almost certainly a Jon Snow one.

ASoS. Jon VIII & IX. Actually the battle for the gate goes on for days in the book, before Slynt orders Jon to go out and try to kill Mace.

Going to have a lot to fit in if they try to get the entire wall deal done next week - Mance and Jon to meet, Stannis to save the day, Mance's kid to be born, etc.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The Sons of the Harpy along with the dragon drama could be enough to fill a couple season IMO and you can add the war she is about to face leading up to her marriage as well.

God, I hope not...

There's just not enough there for her. It will pass easier in the show than it did for me in the books lol

 

[Nick Vermeil]

With the amount of complaining and lack of paying attention in the other thread, I'm worried about the show losing viewers over the next season or two and the show not making through the end of the books.

Are views trending in a bad direction?

Anecdotaly, the funniest thing about non book complaints are that they're more or less complaining about the stuff that wasn't in the books; but was added.

In hindsight, if they were looking to pad these stories in an effort to give Martin some time....they should have done this season, more or less by the book and then gone with a Robert's Rebellion season for next year...... with the reveal at the finale being that Jon Snow is Rheagar and Lyanna Stark's kid. The would have given them major pop when they started Season 6 AND have put the series on a concrete path to what most presume to be the final conflict (Dany, Jon, Tyrion and Dragons versus The White Walkers). Can you imagine the outrage and shock, when showing the significance of Jon's heritage....only to have him stabbed at the end of Season 6? Epic........

If they did an entire season solely as a flashback, that would confuse the non-book readers even more. Imagine when season 6 begins and everyone is asking "Wait... who was that guy again?"

If they framed it right, it could work. Shows like The Wire went season to season introducing new points and characters. Hell, GoT has seen a pretty big transition in POV and main characters.

Looking ahead, I don't know how much pop they'll gleam from the upcoming story threads....significant time with the Boltons, Briene, Stannis at the Wall and new characters in Dorne IMO, isn't going to blow up many skirts. Nevermind the idea that the Dany story will bog down and the Tyrion storyline will introduce a whole new cog in the machine.

To me, the show should be tighter than it is and this past season as meandered in a bad direction. I don't know how much of the added content is an effort to pad or maybe the show creators trying to make their own unique mark.....but I think this thing will bog down more....*

* Not to say I still don't enjoy it as it's better than 95% of other stuff on TV.

If anything with the Dany story they could of spent more time in Qarth and the other slavers bay cities.

TV people are going to get bored fast with that story, bunch of dudes showing up trying to marry her? unsullied getting offed? Little screen time to the dragons as it is.

and Im assuming that in epsiode 10 alot of the last cool deaths happen.

whats the big cliffhangers/events after this season? Maybe Brienne dies? Maybe Jon dies? Make up a maybe Tyrion dies? Cersei's naked walk?

The only thing I find myself looking forward to is Arya in Bravos. But that said, I think the show runners have earned some faith. It's been an amazing 4 seasons of a complicated adaptation. I think they've been faithful and taken the right amount of freedoms where necessary.

 

[Mister Martie]

The wall battle wasn't that long or drawn out in the books though. IIRC, Stannis comes in waxes everyone in short order, and it's over in just a few pages.

What book and chapter was this in? I wanted to go re-read this battle

Somewhere near the end of Storm of Swords. Not sure which chapter, but almost certainly a Jon Snow one.

ASoS. Jon VIII & IX. Actually the battle for the gate goes on for days in the book, before Slynt orders Jon to go out and try to kill Mace.

Going to have a lot to fit in if they try to get the entire wall deal done next week - Mance and Jon to meet, Stannis to save the day, Mance's kid to be born, etc.

I don't think they will bother with Mance's kid.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

With the amount of complaining and lack of paying attention in the other thread, I'm worried about the show losing viewers over the next season or two and the show not making through the end of the books.

Are views trending in a bad direction?

Anecdotaly, the funniest thing about non book complaints are that they're more or less complaining about the stuff that wasn't in the books; but was added.

In hindsight, if they were looking to pad these stories in an effort to give Martin some time....they should have done this season, more or less by the book and then gone with a Robert's Rebellion season for next year...... with the reveal at the finale being that Jon Snow is Rheagar and Lyanna Stark's kid. The would have given them major pop when they started Season 6 AND have put the series on a concrete path to what most presume to be the final conflict (Dany, Jon, Tyrion and Dragons versus The White Walkers). Can you imagine the outrage and shock, when showing the significance of Jon's heritage....only to have him stabbed at the end of Season 6? Epic........

If they did an entire season solely as a flashback, that would confuse the non-book readers even more. Imagine when season 6 begins and everyone is asking "Wait... who was that guy again?"

If they framed it right, it could work. Shows like The Wire went season to season introducing new points and characters. Hell, GoT has seen a pretty big transition in POV and main characters.

Looking ahead, I don't know how much pop they'll gleam from the upcoming story threads....significant time with the Boltons, Briene, Stannis at the Wall and new characters in Dorne IMO, isn't going to blow up many skirts. Nevermind the idea that the Dany story will bog down and the Tyrion storyline will introduce a whole new cog in the machine.

To me, the show should be tighter than it is and this past season as meandered in a bad direction. I don't know how much of the added content is an effort to pad or maybe the show creators trying to make their own unique mark.....but I think this thing will bog down more....*

* Not to say I still don't enjoy it as it's better than 95% of other stuff on TV.

If anything with the Dany story they could of spent more time in Qarth and the other slavers bay cities.

TV people are going to get bored fast with that story, bunch of dudes showing up trying to marry her? unsullied getting offed? Little screen time to the dragons as it is.

and Im assuming that in epsiode 10 alot of the last cool deaths happen.

whats the big cliffhangers/events after this season? Maybe Brienne dies? Maybe Jon dies? Make up a maybe Tyrion dies? Cersei's naked walk?

The only thing I find myself looking forward to is Arya in Bravos. But that said, I think the show runners have earned some faith. It's been an amazing 4 seasons of a complicated adaptation. I think they've been faithful and taken the right amount of freedoms where necessary.

right the shows amazing, and the directors have had a tough task infront of them. and besides Qarth ive had no major beefs. Im worried about the future though. I guess Arya going blind could be a season ender.

 

[Kraft...]

They have the plague and siege to work with for Danny. That can be stretched out. Add in the iron born stuff and you've got some runway to play with. They can **** around with Sansa in the Vale visiting various houses etc. for a while too if need be.

 

[Norman Paperman]

They have the plague and siege to work with for Danny. That can be stretched out. Add in the iron born stuff and you've got some runway to play with. They can **** around with Sansa in the Vale visiting various houses etc. for a while too if need be.

Can't do too much of this can they? The whole idea is the north assumes the Starks are gone - doesn't seem likely that they would let her galavant around the Vale as Sansa Stark. If I recall the books, nobody knew her as Sansa outside of Lysa, did they?

 

[Thunderlips]

With the amount of complaining and lack of paying attention in the other thread, I'm worried about the show losing viewers over the next season or two and the show not making through the end of the books.

Are views trending in a bad direction?

Anecdotaly, the funniest thing about non book complaints are that they're more or less complaining about the stuff that wasn't in the books; but was added.

In hindsight, if they were looking to pad these stories in an effort to give Martin some time....they should have done this season, more or less by the book and then gone with a Robert's Rebellion season for next year...... with the reveal at the finale being that Jon Snow is Rheagar and Lyanna Stark's kid. The would have given them major pop when they started Season 6 AND have put the series on a concrete path to what most presume to be the final conflict (Dany, Jon, Tyrion and Dragons versus The White Walkers). Can you imagine the outrage and shock, when showing the significance of Jon's heritage....only to have him stabbed at the end of Season 6? Epic........

If they did an entire season solely as a flashback, that would confuse the non-book readers even more. Imagine when season 6 begins and everyone is asking "Wait... who was that guy again?"

If they framed it right, it could work. Shows like The Wire went season to season introducing new points and characters. Hell, GoT has seen a pretty big transition in POV and main characters.

Looking ahead, I don't know how much pop they'll gleam from the upcoming story threads....significant time with the Boltons, Briene, Stannis at the Wall and new characters in Dorne IMO, isn't going to blow up many skirts. Nevermind the idea that the Dany story will bog down and the Tyrion storyline will introduce a whole new cog in the machine.

To me, the show should be tighter than it is and this past season as meandered in a bad direction. I don't know how much of the added content is an effort to pad or maybe the show creators trying to make their own unique mark.....but I think this thing will bog down more....*

* Not to say I still don't enjoy it as it's better than 95% of other stuff on TV.

If anything with the Dany story they could of spent more time in Qarth and the other slavers bay cities.

TV people are going to get bored fast with that story, bunch of dudes showing up trying to marry her? unsullied getting offed? Little screen time to the dragons as it is.

and Im assuming that in epsiode 10 alot of the last cool deaths happen.

whats the big cliffhangers/events after this season? Maybe Brienne dies? Maybe Jon dies? Make up a maybe Tyrion dies? Cersei's naked walk?

The Sons of the Harpy along with the dragon drama could be enough to fill a couple season IMO and you can add the war she is about to face leading up to her marriage as well.

That's dragging it.....seeing as her story took place in one book.

Since books 4 and 5 are going on at the same time....what would be credible cliffhangers for each storyline for the Season 5 TV show...keeping in mind they'll need the actual book cliffhangers for each storyline for the 6th season.....

 

[FatMax]

The wall battle wasn't that long or drawn out in the books though. IIRC, Stannis comes in waxes everyone in short order, and it's over in just a few pages.

What book and chapter was this in? I wanted to go re-read this battle

Somewhere near the end of Storm of Swords. Not sure which chapter, but almost certainly a Jon Snow one.

ASoS. Jon VIII & IX. Actually the battle for the gate goes on for days in the book, before Slynt orders Jon to go out and try to kill Mace.

Yeah, you're right. I was referring to how long the battle lasts after Stannis gets there.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The Sons of the Harpy along with the dragon drama could be enough to fill a couple season IMO and you can add the war she is about to face leading up to her marriage as well.

That's dragging it.....seeing as her story took place in one book.

Since books 4 and 5 are going on at the same time....what would be credible cliffhangers for each storyline for the Season 5 TV show...keeping in mind they'll need the actual book cliffhangers for each storyline for the 6th season.....

Isnt there only a portion of book 4 that runs parallel with book 5?

I see the Unsullied ending up dead as credible along with the plague and impending war/ marriage....maybe Tyrion showing up and also the drama with the dragons as well.