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I thought it was odd Jon left Ghost behind.Yep. Much better than last week. I've tended to like the episodes that only looked in on a few storylines, but this one touched on just about everyone and yet moved most of the arcs forward.One thing I think the show has done poorly is the direwolves. Ghost showing up last night just reinforced this to me.I thought this one was pretty damn good
Odd, but consistent with the books - Ghost is locked up much of the time because he scares the men at the wall. One of the stupider things Jon does.I thought it was odd Jon left Ghost behind.Yep. Much better than last week. I've tended to like the episodes that only looked in on a few storylines, but this one touched on just about everyone and yet moved most of the arcs forward.One thing I think the show has done poorly is the direwolves. Ghost showing up last night just reinforced this to me.I thought this one was pretty damn good
Shirley you jest.
Are they trying to move ahead much? Seems it is just trying to cram the greatest hits of books 4 and 5 into one season, then move on. (Unless book 6 comes out before next season)ETA: and yes, it has been dull.
this was my take - book 3 took appx 2 seasons, and books 4/5 will take 1, putting the show appx at the start if book 6 for season 6. GRRM says he wants book 6 out before the show next year, we'll see if that can happen, but after that, no way he gets book 7 out before the following season. I always thought it was a bit premature for the "ahhh the show is moving ahead of the books" hysteria for this season.
yeah, thought it was more just a deviation from the books, not necessarily going ahead of the events of the books.
Yep. Surprised that this seems to be 2 books worth of stuff and it is making for a dull season.(Apart from the one sand snake disrobing).
I wonder, realistically, how much of books 4 and 5 (and this season) you could just flat out drop and not have the story suffer at all. I'm thinking most of them. Like upwards of 80%.Yep. Surprised that this seems to be 2 books worth of stuff and it is making for a dull season.
It is scenes like that which make me wonder if they have a feel of their audience. I think they would be hard pressed to find many people who are interested in the further bumblings and awkward love interest between Sam and Gilly. Good thing they take time to check in on that while not moving Arya's plot (who I would assume is many people's favorite) along at all.I wonder, realistically, how much of books 4 and 5 (and this season) you could just flat out drop and not have the story suffer at all. I'm thinking most of them. Like upwards of 80%.Yep. Surprised that this seems to be 2 books worth of stuff and it is making for a dull season.
Really glad they took like 10 minutes for the Sam money shot scene though, that really moved things along. If you're wondering if the show writers are doing even worse than Martin did with this material, that scene's exhibit A to the show writers' detriment.
The only thing I can thing of is that maybe they feel that as long as they're paying these actors to be around...they're going to find a use for them. It would have been nice if they had Maester Aemon die before Jon left, Jon command Sam to go to Oldtown to learn to be a Maester and then three or four season later, Sam and Gilly get off the boat in Oldtown and comment about how it was such a long trip.It is scenes like that which make me wonder if they have a feel of their audience. I think they would be hard pressed to find many people who are interested in the further bumblings and awkward love interest between Sam and Gilly. Good thing they take time to check in on that while not moving Arya's plot (who I would assume is many people's favorite) along at all.I wonder, realistically, how much of books 4 and 5 (and this season) you could just flat out drop and not have the story suffer at all. I'm thinking most of them. Like upwards of 80%.Yep. Surprised that this seems to be 2 books worth of stuff and it is making for a dull season.
Really glad they took like 10 minutes for the Sam money shot scene though, that really moved things along. If you're wondering if the show writers are doing even worse than Martin did with this material, that scene's exhibit A to the show writers' detriment.
Robin
No. Lancel's already gone full #######, he belongs to the Sparrow, he is not Littlefinger's to give IMO.Lancel, no?Robin
Makes sense. I was reading it as though they have been sitting on that gem of info for a bit and playing Cersei. I guess i assumed Lancel would have had to get stuff off his chest before this to climb the sparrow ranks.
If he confessed his sins, then the Sparrow knew about Cersei. If he knew, than what leverage did Littlefinger have? Kind of dumb.
I'm not at all convinced that Littlefinger had anything to do with the Lancel/Cersei thing.
Agreed. Other than those boobs, Dorne has been a complete travesty. One of my favorite parts of whatever book # that was in the Jamie Riverlands sequence was his conversation with the Blackfish, and then how he sent Edmure back into Riverrun and told him that if he doesn't surrender the castle, he'll send his new wife (with child) to him via a catapult. We're also kinda missing out on seeing just how devastated the Riverlands was by the war.
I still need to get these. And I need to finish reading a world of ice and fire. Damn it.They were very good an worth reading if you haven't read them.
Like Kraft said, very good and worth a read. My library had them but I think you can buy all three in one volume now.I still need to get these. And I need to finish reading a world of ice and fire. Damn it.
Agree with your point about a massive slice of books 4 and 5 being irrelevant. Very much disagree about the show handling the material worse than the books, though both have their flaws. The books have loads of internal dialogue, but nearly all of what happens is filler, allowing one plot or another to catch up to the other ones. The show mercifully does away with that, but still struggles with finding interesting stuff for the characters to do. Other than the Dorne plot, though, which I felt had a lot more potential with the Jaime dynamic, I feel the show has done a very solid trimming job this season.Gr00vus said:I wonder, realistically, how much of books 4 and 5 (and this season) you could just flat out drop and not have the story suffer at all. I'm thinking most of them. Like upwards of 80%.KarmaPolice said:Yep. Surprised that this seems to be 2 books worth of stuff and it is making for a dull season.Gr00vus said:
Really glad they took like 10 minutes for the Sam money shot scene though, that really moved things along. If you're wondering if the show writers are doing even worse than Martin did with this material, that scene's exhibit A to the show writers' detriment.
Cersei is already in prison. Wasn't the naked walk to there? Or to somewhere else?
The naked walk was after she confessed (I believe) and that's when we meet Ser Robert Strong.
There was a big hubbub about them having to move the filming location of the naked walk because it was originally going to be done on sacred ground or something. It's coming (and so will I).
I was from Balor's Sept to the Red Keep. She confesses to sleeping with Lancel and the Kettleblack - but doesn't confess to the murder(s) of Robert Baratheon, the previous High Septon, or sleeping/having children with Jaime.
I think the first 4 are a given. Jaime, while likely dead (or soon to be dead in the books) probably won't be killed until GRRM has written his death. It is one thing killing Jojen or Ser Barristan (who are minor characters in the grand scheme of things) vs. Jaime.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dance_of_the_Dragons
