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Heathcare - Why no love for all (1 Viewer)

I want single payer health care for all.  A government alternative woyld set the market and privates would have to compete.   

 
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
I have no clue what you believe you should be spending on others healthcare. Thus I am asking, do you feel you are doing enough to help others with their healthcare costs?
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You are asking the wrong person this. I would give my kidney to another human being.  How you want to win here?  I can prove my donations to people here that have to do with healthcare.  Care to match my proof?  That is a win, win.

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
You are asking the wrong person this. I would give my kidney to another human being.  How you want to win here?  I can prove my donations to people here that have to do with healthcare.  Care to match my proof?  That is a win, win.
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Well I actually did give my kidney to some one. Once again... do you feel you are doing enough to help others with their healthcare cost?

 
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
Well I actually did give my kidney to some one. Once again... do you feel you are doing enough to help others with their healthcare cost?
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Of course, I do.  I have been doing it for 20 years.  Give me the name and proof of the person that needed the kidney and after I vet it, if not related to your family, I will give them 500 bucks.

 
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FatUncleJerryBuss said:
Of course, I do.  I have been doing it for 20 years.  Give me the name and proof of the person that needed the kidney and after I vet it, if not related to your family, I will give the 500 bucks.
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LOL done... Donated my kidney to my father on 4-28-14. What sort of proof would you like? The head of my kidney donor team? The Gift of Life Family House in Philly that we continue to sponsor? Just let me know

 
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FatUncleJerryBuss said:
Of course, I do.  I have been doing it for 20 years.  Give me the name and proof of the person that needed the kidney and after I vet it, if not related to your family, I will give them 500 bucks.
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I can give you a list of people that need a kidney. Its very easy to find a match. Same with a piece of your liver. But lets be honest, you really arent doing all that you can, only what you deem acceptable. But at least you have done enough in your book.

 
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
I can give you a list of people that need a kidney. Its very easy to find a match. Same with a piece of your liver. But lets be honest, you really arent doing all that you can, only what you deem acceptable. But at least you have done enough in your book.
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Let's get this over, you are right.  

Now what does it have to do with anything we were talking about?

 
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
LOL done... Donated my kidney to my father on 4-28-14. What sort of proof would you like? The head of my kidney donor team? The Gift of Life Family House in Philly that we continue to sponsor? Just let me know
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For someone so giving you seem mad.  You did a great thing.  I admire you for that.  What do you want from me, I only ask because you have a point

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
For someone so giving you seem mad.  You did a great thing.  I admire you for that.  What do you want from me, I only ask because you have a point
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I want you to do as much as you possibly can (to be determined by me) if you are going to judge and determine what others should be doing with their lives.  

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
I get you, but what does this have to do for healthcare for all?
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because someone has to pay for it and I am one of those crazy people that believe healthcare is not near as important as food, water, shelter, and housing. Since I believe this (if I believed in healthcare for all) I would have to believe that food, water, shelter and housing should be provided for everyone as well at zero cost. This puts a massive burden on people who may not have the same beliefs as I do. I am not willing to reduce a persons quality of life for someone else's all because I deem they have "enough".  

 
This is an excellent question. I am very conservative and I believe the short answer is that it comes back to choice. Babies don't get a choice so someone has to protect them. I would even say that if legislation proposed free healthcare for anyone under the age of 18 that conservatives wouldn't have a problem with that. The problem comes from not allowing people to be adults and have consequences for their choices. For example- I just moved to a smaller midwest town that has job openings everywhere. But employers keep saying most can't pass the drug test. Is it then my responsibility to continue to help that habit by providing healthcare and finances? . Also, Many hospitals were started and funded by Christian organizations. So it isn't that that group doesn't care about people and their health.  Good question that I think needs to be explored. Thanks

 
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
because someone has to pay for it and I am one of those crazy people that believe healthcare is not near as important as food, water, shelter, and housing. Since I believe this (if I believed in healthcare for all) I would have to believe that food, water, shelter and housing should be provided for everyone as well at zero cost. This puts a massive burden on people who may not have the same beliefs as I do. I am not willing to reduce a persons quality of life for someone else's all because I deem they have "enough".  
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I disagree with you and that's okay.  I am not the enemy.

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
I disagree with you and that's okay.  I am not the enemy.
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Thus my point, I deem you have not done enough.You have far more than others.  So I believe you should go donate a kidney, part of your liver, donate a majority of your income to leave you living with bare necessities so that others can live at the same level you do.  

 
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Ratbone said:
This is an excellent question. I am very conservative and I believe the short answer is that it comes back to choice. Babies don't get a choice so someone has to protect them. I would even say that if legislation proposed free healthcare for anyone under the age of 18 that conservatives wouldn't have a problem with that. The problem comes from not allowing people to be adults and have consequences for their choices. For example- I just moved to a smaller midwest town that has job openings everywhere. But employers keep saying most can't pass the drug test. Is it then my responsibility to continue to help that habit by providing healthcare and finances? . Also, Many hospitals were started and funded by Christian organizations. So it isn't that that group doesn't care about people and their health.  Good question that I think needs to be explored. Thanks
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I don't disagree with you but then there is reality.  Gates is going to be rich and people are going to be poor.  It is a reality, be have to take care of those idiots.  Just the cost of doing business

 
Buddy Ball 2K3 said:
Thus my point, I deem you have not done enough.You have far more than others.  So I believe you should go donate a kidney, part of your liver, donate a majority of your income to leave you living with bare necessities so that others can live at the same level you do.  
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I am fine with you saying I haven't done enough, I want my govt to use their money and do enough.  

 
Universal healthcare would not only save the nation money but would also generate much the same benefits as we've seen from universal education. Instead of worrying about the "undeserving" people who would undeservedly reap the benefits, think of the "deserving" poor whose lives would be greatly improved.  

 
FatUncleJerryBuss said:
I don't disagree with you but then there is reality.  Gates is going to be rich and people are going to be poor.  It is a reality, be have to take care of those idiots.  Just the cost of doing business
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The reality is Gates earned his money and it isn't our right to take it from him. Socialism doesn't work. Everyone loses motivation to better themselves. We can not be responsible for other people's poor choices. 

 
Ratbone said:
The reality is Gates earned his money and it isn't our right to take it from him. Socialism doesn't work. Everyone loses motivation to better themselves. We can not be responsible for other people's poor choices. 
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I want to give humans healthcare, will this  break gates?  Better yet, who loses here?

 
Ratbone said:
The reality is Gates earned his money and it isn't our right to take it from him. Socialism doesn't work. Everyone loses motivation to better themselves. We can not be responsible for other people's poor choices. 
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I don't think your use of the word "socialism" is applicable here. We're just arguing about expenditures in the federal budget.

 
Jackstraw said:
Should we let people die? Seems like the fundamental question. 
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Should we let people starve, be cold, or sleep on the street?  We somewhat solved two of these by addressing costs.  Seems like we should be attacking it from that angle.

 
The Federal government is so efficient at managing money and costs I think they would do a fine job as the single payer and try to save us money.

 
roadkill1292 said:
I don't think your use of the word "socialism" is applicable here. We're just arguing about expenditures in the federal budget.
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I was referring to the statement that Gates will be rich and others will be poor. The implication is that he should share that or be required to for the benefit of those who don't have. That is socialism.  Also, the money has to come from the people who will pay the taxes. Those will have to go up. There by those who have provide for those who don't have. 

 
BassNBrew said:
Should we let people starve, be cold, or sleep on the street?  We somewhat solved two of these by addressing costs.  Seems like we should be attacking it from that angle.
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I will give you any organ you need, but the unpopular truth is that your only help is single payer, yes i have met bnb irl.

 
It's impossible.  Outright impossible.  Literally no other country in the developed world has been able to offer universal health care.  It just can't be done.  But we are America and we are great now so fear not, with this new House Healthcare bill we are leading the world in getting one step closer.  One day they will all look at us with their swaths of uninsured people and think "wow, America is almost half way there. 100% of their really rich people have health insurance".

 
Ratbone said:
I was referring to the statement that Gates will be rich and others will be poor. The implication is that he should share that or be required to for the benefit of those who don't have. That is socialism.  Also, the money has to come from the people who will pay the taxes. Those will have to go up. There by those who have provide for those who don't have. 
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We always have wealthier people paying a bigger tax bill than poor people, we're just debating how to spend those revenues. Taxes may indeed go up for some if we don't shift spending from other parts of the budget but health insurance premiums will be eliminated which, incidentally, would be a boon for American business and entrepreneurism. 

 
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