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Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (1 Viewer)

I'm starting to think he could get out of this without jail time. The police have no idea what happened, specifically, as in who shot the guy. They have no weapon, and no witnesses. I don't see how they convict anyone of murder without someone talking.

They have the most leverage over Hernandez because he has the obstruction charges hanging over his head. Assuming he wasn't the shooter, if he rolls, he can probably plea down to something, maybe even keep it at "just" obstruction and avoid a long prison sentence.

Just spitballin' here, but I just don't see how the cops make a case without a witness.
They may never be able to finger the trigger man, but that doesn't mean they all get to walk. If they can narrow things down to 4 guys get in a car and only 3 guys get out (essentially), they can charge the 3 survivors with a host of other crimes, Conspiracy, obstruction, accessory before and after murder, etc. If the cops make a good enough case, they could also show it was premeditated. They might not get life in prison, but they could very easily still get a 20 year sentence when you add the other charges and they get maximum sentences.

 
I'm starting to think he could get out of this without jail time. The police have no idea what happened, specifically, as in who shot the guy. They have no weapon, and no witnesses. I don't see how they convict anyone of murder without someone talking.

They have the most leverage over Hernandez because he has the obstruction charges hanging over his head. Assuming he wasn't the shooter, if he rolls, he can probably plea down to something, maybe even keep it at "just" obstruction and avoid a long prison sentence.

Just spitballin' here, but I just don't see how the cops make a case without a witness.
Maybe - but if they can show he had a role in disposing/tampering evidence in a murder case, I don't think that goes quietly away - particularly if nobody makes a deal to testify against someone else. Folks will want someone to pay for this.

 
The best thing for everybody to do is keep absolutely quiet. Not a word. And then pray that the evidence presents an incomplete picture. But if these guys get arrested and separated, then my money is on somebody getting charged with murder. Somebody has the least to lose and once the cops get a sniff of which dude that is, it's a matter of time

 
Do we know what happened to the other two guys? Did they leave his house? Did they get charged with anything? Did they talk to the cops? Did they lawyer up? Anyone faollowing them around to get gas?

 
Do we know what happened to the other two guys? Did they leave his house? Did they get charged with anything? Did they talk to the cops? Did they lawyer up? Anyone faollowing them around to get gas?
I actually think this is the most frustratating thing about the media coverage so far. There is an army of reporters sitting outside Hernandez's house but few if any talking to bar patrons etc. to identify the other suspects.

 
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Hernandez should be ok, afterall they signed Tebow to pray for him.

But if he isnt ok, the 2.5 million the pats need to give him over the next two years should buy lots of prison smokes.

 
even at 10 dollars a cig- he has enough to buy 250,000 cigs or 12500 packs. At 2 packs a day,he'd have cigs for 15 years.......that might be enough to delay the rapings.

 
even at 10 dollars a cig- he has enough to buy 250,000 cigs or 12500 packs. At 2 packs a day,he'd have cigs for 15 years.......that might be enough to delay the rapings.
You're not including all the things he's going to need to buy from the commissary for his new boyfriends.

 
Cops searched a strip club in Providence. The police obviously have more information than the media or the general public does. Was there anything reported as having recently happened in Rhode Island?

 
Cops searched a strip club in Providence. The police obviously have more information than the media or the general public does. Was there anything reported as having recently happened in Rhode Island?
at one point in this thread someone mentioned at least two incidents at a strip club in Providence. We only heard the details about the one where fans were bothering Hernandez and he left. I guess the other could be what the police are looking into now.

 
Cops searched a strip club in Providence. The police obviously have more information than the media or the general public does. Was there anything reported as having recently happened in Rhode Island?
Or maybe they don't and they are just grasping at straws. You know, cops and the legal system does that from time to time.

 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2013/06/21/aaron-hernandez-salary-recoup-cba-homicide-investigation/2447171/

Highlights

If Aaron Hernandez winds up in legal trouble related to the investigation of a homicide of one of his associates, that tweak in the CBA's language could cost the New England Patriots tight end nearly $37 million.

The new CBA states a player commits a "forfeitable breach" when he "willfully fails to report, practice or play" while healthy, retires, suffers an injury due to "an activity other than football which may involve a significant risk of personal injury" or "is unavailable to the team due to conduct by him that results in his incarceration."

With those guidelines in place, Hernandez stands to lose up to $10 million of his signing bonus, depending on the amount of time he would be incarcerated or suspended. He has earned one-fifth of the prorated bonus by playing last season, and that amount cannot be paid back. Any bonus forfeiture moving forward would be prorated based on how many weeks he would be unavailable to the Patriots.

So of a deal that was worth $40 million over five years, Hernandez is guaranteed to earn $3.226 million of it (the first $2.5 million of his signing bonus, his $540,000 base salary from 2012, a $104,000 roster bonus last season and this year's $82,000 workout bonus), despite the fact he's already been paid the other $6.75 million in signing bonus that is subject to being recouped.

If the Pats decide to cut Hernandez once any incarceration or suspension is complete, the hit on the salary cap would be the acceleration of any of the prorated signing bonus left to be paid. If, for example, Hernandez is out for this season and is cleared to return in 2014, the cap hit would be the final $7.5 million in bonus proration — money Hernandez would still be paid.
 
Do we know what happened to the other two guys? Did they leave his house? Did they get charged with anything? Did they talk to the cops? Did they lawyer up? Anyone faollowing them around to get gas?
I actually think this is the most frustratating thing about the media coverage so far. There is an army of reporters sitting outside Hernandez's house but few if any talking to bar patrons etc. to identify the other suspects.
Exactly. Perhaps I should not find this strange, but I do. There seems to be no information about the other two men. Likewise I have seen nothing about the girlfriend of the deceased other than that her whereabouts where unknown but that she has been found alive.

I just saw this: Family members said they had heard from Lloyd's girlfriend but not from Hernandez after Lloyd's death. (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lloyds-family-patriots-hernandez-friend-061348962--nfl.html)

Who knows what is what in all this, but to me it seems damning that AH has not called the family to give his condolences.

 
I know there are drug sniffing dogs and cadaver dogs. Are there other dogs that the police would use in AH's house? Maybe find blood traces?

Seems odd that they would need to take two "chase" dogs into his house to arrest him. He's a big guy, but at this point I wouldn't think he would fight with the police

 
I know there are drug sniffing dogs and cadaver dogs. Are there other dogs that the police would use in AH's house? Maybe find blood traces?

Seems odd that they would need to take two "chase" dogs into his house to arrest him. He's a big guy, but at this point I wouldn't think he would fight with the police
Searching for drugs?

 
Just read this. If true then Hernandez is ####ed.

Report: Odin Lloyd was shot multiple times

Posted by Mike Florio on June 21, 2013, 10:14 AM EDT

We’ve noticed over the past few days an interesting theory regarding the death of Odin Lloyd. Some have speculated about a Jayson Williams-type situation, with Lloyd accidentally shot at the home of Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez. Then, instead of owning up to the incident, those involved opted to try to cover it all up.

But there’s a significant difference. As the Boston Globe reported on Thursday night, Lloyd was shot not just once — and the shooting didn’t occur in Hernandez’s home.

“He was killed where they found the body,” an unnamed law enforcement official told the Globe.He was shot multiple times.”
 
Just read this. If true then Hernandez is ####ed.

Report: Odin Lloyd was shot multiple times Posted by Mike Florio on June 21, 2013, 10:14 AM EDTWe’ve noticed over the past few days an interesting theory regarding the death of Odin Lloyd. Some have speculated about a Jayson Williams-type situation, with Lloyd accidentally shot at the home of Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez. Then, instead of owning up to the incident, those involved opted to try to cover it all up.But there’s a significant difference. As the Boston Globe reported on Thursday night, Lloyd was shot not just once — and the shooting didn’t occur in Hernandez’s home.“He was killed where they found the body,” an unnamed law enforcement official told the Globe.He was shot multiple times.”
Wouldn't he be way more ####ed if it was actually the first scenario, and they tried to cover up a murder that happened in his home?

 
:lmao: at the Pats fans trying to convince themselves AH isn't going to do time and the cops have nothing.
:goodposting: Its like they forget there is a dead victim & they are hoping the AH crew beats the rap.
I think for Hernandez to ever play for the Patriots again he'll need to not only legally beat the rap but do so in a fashion unlike OJ. If he beats the charges but is guilty in the public eye I'd be stunned if the Patriots did not release him.

 
ESPN legal analyst Roger Cossack was a guest on SportsCenter this afternoon, explaining from his view what the increased police activity at Aaron Hernandez's home could be about.

Some of Cossack's remarks:

1. The activity at the house appears, from his view, to be more search-warrant related than regarding an arrest warrant.

2. “I think this is part of ratcheting up pressure on Hernandez. The fact that the arrest warrant hasn’t been served, but a search warrant is being served, to me is like the police sending signals more and more, saying ‘We’re getting closer, we’re getting closer. We want your cooperation. That’s why the arrest warrant hasn’t been served. There is going to come a time, and there is going to be a line, when we’re not going to ask for cooperation [but] we’re coming after you.’ So I think that’s what is going on right now.”

3. (On what he expects to happen next) “I think this is somewhat of a cat-and-mouse game that’s going on between Hernandez, his lawyer and the police. The fact that Hernandez has not responded yet indicates to me, at least, that there is some serious discussion going on with his attorney. Because no attorney who had the opportunity to self-surrender a client, and work out a deal for him, particularly when you’re talking about a crime of this type – any attorney would want to do it. So the fact that Hernandez is holding out and police are ratcheting up the pressure, to me indicates that eventually there is going to be a line that is crossed and I think you’re going to see Hernandez arrested, for at least obstruction of justice, if not something else.”
 
Wonder if one of the other guys revealed the location of something?

Hard to believe they wouldn't have ditched anything related to drugs or the crime by now though.

 
Wonder if one of the other guys revealed the location of something?

Hard to believe they wouldn't have ditched anything related to drugs or the crime by now though.
This what I was curious about earlier. Did the cops do anything with the other guys? Interview them? Arrest them? Try to make a deal with them? Did they pick them up at all? I'd settle for releasing their names at this point.

 
Wonder if one of the other guys revealed the location of something?

Hard to believe they wouldn't have ditched anything related to drugs or the crime by now though.
Looking for the gun maybe? I assume he has a gun(s) registered to him, and if they simply ditched it and couldn't produce it for police, that would lead to more questions. And of course they know what caliber bullets were in the body.

 
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Wonder if one of the other guys revealed the location of something?

Hard to believe they wouldn't have ditched anything related to drugs or the crime by now though.
This what I was curious about earlier. Did the cops do anything with the other guys? Interview them? Arrest them? Try to make a deal with them? Did they pick them up at all? I'd settle for releasing their names at this point.
When the story first broke they took two guys out of the house. That's the last I've heard of them though.

 
So someone rats on his hidden safe. They pry open floorboards/wall to reveal it, and now they've got a locksmith coming in to open it?

ETA: think gun is a nice guess Bruce.

 
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The police must have been :lmao: @ AH

when he brought out the busted cell phone. Did the rube really think the MSP couldn't recover data

 
:lmao: at the Pats fans trying to convince themselves AH isn't going to do time and the cops have nothing.
:goodposting: Its like they forget there is a dead victim & they are hoping the AH crew beats the rap.
I think for Hernandez to ever play for the Patriots again he'll need to not only legally beat the rap but do so in a fashion unlike OJ. If he beats the charges but is guilty in the public eye I'd be stunned if the Patriots did not release him.
unless they find a smoking gun he won't see jail time, and even then I bet it'll be pinned on one of the other guys. There will need to be a video or pictures of him actually actually doing the killing for him to go down. Once the police have a case prepared Hernandez and his lawyer will look it over and plea bargin (snitch / pay them off to take the fall) on the other guys.

The 2013 season is pretty grim for him though.

But whats the deal with the other guys, are they in holding? have they bailed out? have they been charged with anything?

 
:lmao: at the Pats fans trying to convince themselves AH isn't going to do time and the cops have nothing.
I think they have plenty. I also think they pretty clearly need a witness.

I've given up on him with the Patriots. The very best case scenario for Hernandez has him getting a nice vacation from Gooddell. Other than pure curiosity, I'm more concerned about fantasy teams if anything. I think he's done in NE.

 
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Two hours into the search, and Hernandez's lawyer, Michael Fee, appears to have entered Hernandez's house.

He must have thought they were going to be at Brady's house looking for the rings
Gotta love a lawyer named Fee. He's a big Fee too, which is what it'll cost Hernandez by the time this is all done.
And if Hernandez goes to prison for the term of his contract, he only made about 4 mil off it.

 

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