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Hernandez vs. Finley (1 Viewer)
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Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
Aside from having Aaron Rodgers and large hands that drop balls, I really don't think Finley's the better football player.
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Awful Waffle
Footballguy
I think Hernandez is better. Imagine if he didn't have Gronkowski taking all the red zone targets.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Too soon to tell IMO, im of the ilk that think that Green Bay is gonna change their offense this year, hard to say this wouldnt be advantageous for Finley but who knows, they might just run the ball more while still throwing the ball to 10 different receivers a game. Hernandez on the other hand is the only person (aside from Ocho or Branch, who knows if they even play into the season) that will be negatively affected by Lloyds signing.
Maybe thats what is stopping him from catching balls thrown at him.
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
I think Hernandez takes a couple steps back this year. He served as their only legit outside WR (note I said outside; Welker is in the slot) last year with Ocho a dud and Branch slowing. I think Lloyd changes all that. I see most everyone ranking him as the #3 or #4 TE for 2012, and I think he'll underperform that. I'd choose Finley between the two, no question.
cr8f
Footballguy
Seriously? Finley does have injury issues the team is worried about and he had a bad year but a better talent?Hernandez is 6-1 Finley is 6-5, Henandez had 8 targets per game last year, more than Gronkowski and caught 69%.
Finley had a lot of drops last year but that is rare with him. He usually catches upper70's or 80%.
Let this year and play out and see where they lad.
Part of this I think is Finley's over projections last season.
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RavenLunatic
Footballguy
I love Aaron Hernandez but think he AND Gronk will disappoint next year. Not the Pats fans but fantasy expectations. I would not be surprised if he and Gronk fall back some. Likely both stay in the top 5-10 but how realistic is it that he has another 900+ yard season with Brandon Lloyd involved as well. Same for Gronk and Welker.
I think all will perform just as well but perhaps not the same volume of production as last season. I want to target them all in redraft but carefully weigh their ADP or value in trade. It is the uncertainty of volume here that makes me uneasy (other than Brady...the aggregator of all that is the NE offense.)
I think all will perform just as well but perhaps not the same volume of production as last season. I want to target them all in redraft but carefully weigh their ADP or value in trade. It is the uncertainty of volume here that makes me uneasy (other than Brady...the aggregator of all that is the NE offense.)
Concept Coop
Footballguy
69% is nothing to sneeze at. There is no reason to be concerned about his catch %. Finley's was 58% - which is really poor, compared to the rest of the Green Bay's weapons.'cr8f said:
Hernandez is a better football player, and is more talented. I'll take him.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Hernandez only went deep on 11% of his targets. The role that Hernandez played is not threatened by the arrival of Brandon Lloyd. However, the roll of Gronkowski could be, hypothetically. He went deep on 25% of his targets, which a very high number for an every down TE targeted as much as Gronkowski was.Looking at that - if the Patriots did adjust their play calling and targeting to account for the lack of another "outside WR", they did so with Gronkowksi, not Hernandez. All in all - I think both NE TEs are safe bets to used just as they were last season. The Patriots have no incentive to change something that worked so well. They are both unique talents and create mismatches. Seeing as how Aaron was even used and was productive as a RB - I don't think they Patriots are going to be cutting his touches anytime soon. I think Lloyd gets 85/Branch targets and is the 4th option - a disappointment for his fantasy owners.'Couch Potato said:
Concept Coop
Footballguy
That is a simple way to look at it. Hernandez got the same % of his teams targets, and more total targets. Seeing as how Hernandez also got carries, and is more productive per target, there is plenty wiggle room. He could lose 10% of his total targets to Lloyd (he won't) and still be up there with Finley.'Crippler said:
inzanitee
Footballguy
Except Finley was talented and didn't play second fiddle to Gronk last season... and still couldn't outperform Hernandez (who missed games and still did better).
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Finley had a down year. I look for him to do well going forward. Also, it's foolish to base this year's prognostication purely on last year's results. Anytime there are two TEs fighting for touches there stands a risk of disappointment. You don't think Brandon Lloyd will take some of that glory from one of those TEs? Having Welker and Lloyd will eat into some of that TE love.
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has Finley ever had an up year?
inzanitee
Footballguy
Any of that may happen, but the point remains that Finley had all those advantages last season in that he's talented and wasn't competing with Gronk, and didn't perform. You can argue he had a down year, but I'd ask when was he a top TE? The answer so far is never. Of course he could explode, but IIRC he will be competing with Jennings, Nelson, Cobb and James Jones for touches, so its not like he's the only weapon in town. I think that pretty much evens the playing field. And... prior to Hernandez getting hurt last season in week 2, he wasn't playing second fiddle to anyone. He had 10 and 8 targets those weeks, then missed time and Gronk took off, but then Hernandez closed the year with 43 targets in the last 5 games (Gronk had 40).
