High Fructose Corn Syrup...the antichrist (6 Viewers)

[crystal]

Also- great drink that is absolutely awesome is coconut water (all natural)

Do you buy this somewhere, or do you buy whole coconuts and drain the water out yourself?

 

[jdoggydogg]

That hippy-dippy health conscientious California lifestyle is getting into your head bro.Eat what tastes good and F the rest. I got mine.

You are talking to a guy that was quietly working his way up to 300 lbs...I started January 16th of this year and cleared my entire kitchen of anything that had this crap in it...I don't even have a once in awhile coc cola anymore...if I want a coke I go to Whole Foods and get an organic soda that at least has pure cane sugar in it. I have dropped a lot of weight almost 50 lbs...we aren't even in June yet. Exercise of course too but this particular culprit has taken lives form people, the same as nicotine in cigarettes but society thinks this is OK to eat becasue they trust the FDA and their government...and since this board doesn't seem to trust the government on much else in this world why would you leave your health in their hands? I'm sure many of you don't, but some others need to seek out some info on all the crap that is going into your food. Like today, right now, before you eat that bagel.

First, you're 100% correct to crusade against HFCS. It's bad, bad stuff. Second, those Whole Foods sodas TASTE a lot better. The real sugar just is better for you and better tasting.

Agree, the Coke made by 365 they sell is far and away the best...and you pay a lot more for pure can sugar sodas in places that specialize in those types of drinks. Soda Pop Stop in Eagle Rock for example seels tons of specialty pure cane sodas...real Coca Colas imported from mexico etc...that sounds weird.But yes the sodas taste better without the HFCS.

The good Mexican restaraunts here always have bottled coke from Mexico. Just sugar in those. Tastes awesome.

 

[nortobc]

I was checking the labels on all my food the other day and I saw many products which had "corn syrup" in the ingrediants, but not "high fructose corn syrup". Is there a diffence? Is regular corn syrup bad for you as well?

 

[caul]

got into this discussion late so not sure anyone will notice (or maybe its been posted) but yes, HFCS is pretty much the devil, but it goes farther then that. It is just part of our nations sickening dependance on the corn industry, which as the OP pointed out, isnt doing any favors to all the farmers who now grow it exclusively.

Also, and I found this very interesting. Did yall know the fertilizer that enabled the very fickle corn crop to become so widely grown, is made using petroleum? A significant percentage of our petro consumption comes from either the growing or shipping of corn.

a simpler life...

 

[crystal]

I was checking the labels on all my food the other day and I saw many products which had "corn syrup" in the ingrediants, but not "high fructose corn syrup". Is there a diffence? Is regular corn syrup bad for you as well?

Any corn product is bad. Too bad it's in nearly every processed/packaged food.

 

[Sand]

Looks like Coke is trying to do something about it. After years of being banned (really due to competition issues rather than safety) it looks like stevia might be on the way in to the US. The FDA has contended that stevia isn't proven to be safe, but it has had a 40% market share in Japan and other asian countries for over a decade now with no ill effects. Only a company the size of KO could push this through. About time. Too bad Cargill is private or I'd be tempted to buy a few shares.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/4852901.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1180656629...=googlenews_wsj

 

[nortobc]

I was checking the labels on all my food the other day and I saw many products which had "corn syrup" in the ingrediants, but not "high fructose corn syrup". Is there a diffence? Is regular corn syrup bad for you as well?

Any corn product is bad. Too bad it's in nearly every processed/packaged food.

What about just an ear of corn? I would think that is good for you.

 

[nortobc]

I was checking the labels on all my food the other day and I saw many products which had "corn syrup" in the ingrediants, but not "high fructose corn syrup". Is there a diffence? Is regular corn syrup bad for you as well?

Any corn product is bad. Too bad it's in nearly every processed/packaged food.

OK, but I'm guessing HFCS is worse than plain corn syrup?

 

[culdeus]

I was checking the labels on all my food the other day and I saw many products which had "corn syrup" in the ingrediants, but not "high fructose corn syrup". Is there a diffence? Is regular corn syrup bad for you as well?

Any corn product is bad. Too bad it's in nearly every processed/packaged food.

What about just an ear of corn? I would think that is good for you.

Corn grown for syrup is a totally different species practically than the ones grown for kernels.Sweet corn is such a fractionally small amount of corn grown in this country that most people don't know the difference.

 

[crystal]

I was checking the labels on all my food the other day and I saw many products which had "corn syrup" in the ingrediants, but not "high fructose corn syrup". Is there a diffence? Is regular corn syrup bad for you as well?

Any corn product is bad. Too bad it's in nearly every processed/packaged food.

What about just an ear of corn? I would think that is good for you.

It's not exactly a health food. People think of corn as a vegetable, but it's actually a grain, and suffers from the same drawbacks as other grains -- it is relatively low in fiber, vitamins, and minerals compared to fruits or vegetables, and it contains anti-nutrients (raffinose, phytic acid, and trypsin inhibitor) that block the absorption of minerals.Corn on the cob is a heck of a lot better than corn syrup, though. At least it has some nutritional value (fiber, vitamins). Corn syrup is completely empty calories.

 

[aardball44]

Good info here. I learned most of this when a close friend -- overweight and steadily gaining more -- discovered she was allergic to corn. It was difficult for her to eliminate all corn from her diet due to the prevalence of HFCS, but once she did she dropped 60 pounds in three months and her health did a 180. Now she looks good and feels better than she ever has in her life.

 

[the rover]

no desire to read this whole thread, but has anyone mentioned that by eating tuna for lunch every day MoP is pretty much giving himself mercury poisoning?

 

[nortobc]

no desire to read this whole thread, but has anyone mentioned that by eating tuna for lunch every day MoP is pretty much giving himself mercury poisoning?

I alternate between chicken and tuna everyday. 3 cans a week isn't that bad for you when it comes to the mercruy.

 

[msommer]

no desire to read this whole thread, but has anyone mentioned that by eating tuna for lunch every day MoP is pretty much giving himself mercury poisoning?

I alternate between chicken and tuna everyday. 3 cans a week isn't that bad for you when it comes to the mercruy.

Never, ever, eat it at the cinema though...

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

The dangers of high fructose corn syrup

by Dr. Jonny Bowden

From 1977 to 2001, the consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages containing fructose has increased 135%. Think that doesn't matter? Think again.

Fructose used to enjoy something of a good reputation as sugars go, largely because- unlike other sugars- it doesn't raise blood sugar very quickly. This property made it a long-standing favorite of diabetics and those who treated them. But like so much other "conventional" wisdom, this turned out to be anything but wise.

Fructose- and it's "steroid" version known as high-fructose corn syrup- have become "ubiqui-foods". They're everywhere, we consume them in insanely high amounts, and the health costs are just beginning to be recognized. New research points to some of the possible consequences.

In one study, overweight and obese adults were instructed to eat their usual diet along with sugar sweetened beverages. One group was asked to consume 25% of the day's calorie requirement as a specially made beverage sweetened with glucose. The other group was given an identical beverage sweetened with fructose. Both groups were allowed to eat as little or as much of their usual diet as they wanted, but were required to drink the sugar beverages.

Not surprisingly, all subjects gained weight. But the fructose-consuming subjects gained intra-abdominal fat, whereas the glucose subjects did not.

Why does this matter? Because intra-abdominal fat- the kind that makes you more of an apple than a pear- is the most dangerous kind of fat to carry around. It puts you at greater risk for diabetes, heart disease and a constellation of symptoms called Metabolic Syndrome, an almost certain path to either heart disease or diabetes. The fructose-consuming subjects also had increases in fasting insulin and in fasting glucose, both of which are associated with a greater risk of metabolic syndrome and diabetes.

Triglycerides have long been recognized as an independent risk factor for heart disease. In many of the previous human studies on fructose, researchers have measured fasting triglycerides, and fructose didn't always have much effect on fasting levels. But in this study, researchers measured triglycerides after eating- what's called a post-prandial measurement. In the fructose group, post prandial triglycerides more than doubled.

While the research is preliminary and needs to be borne out by future studies, high fructose consumption could well be setting consumers up for atherosclerosis. The overweight men and women assigned to drink the fructose-sweetened beverages developed a more athrogenic lipid profiles in just two weeks.

Consider that In 2006 five different publications came out showing that adolescents, college students and adults under 50 were consuming as much as 15-20 percent of calories just from sugar sweetened beverages- and that doesn't include the sugar calories from cakes and desserts. Most of this sugar comes from high-fructose corn syrup.

Do the math.

 

[EMoney]

Good topic.

I wised up after reading the ABS Diet. I was amazed at how many yogurt products that I always thought were good for me were loaded with this stuff. In fact many stores rarely carry yogurt that does not contain it.

When I am shopping I actively select products that do not contain HFCS. I even went as far as ordering Dr. Pepper online from a company that makes it with cane sugar.

 

[bentley]

Good topic.

I wised up after reading the ABS Diet. I was amazed at how many yogurt products that I always thought were good for me were loaded with this stuff. In fact many stores rarely carry yogurt that does not contain it.

When I am shopping I actively select products that do not contain HFCS. I even went as far as ordering Dr. Pepper online from a company that makes it with cane sugar.

Dr. Pepper (ok, Schwepps) makes it all. Do you mean that you got some from the Dublin, Texas manufacturing plant?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Good topic.

I wised up after reading the ABS Diet. I was amazed at how many yogurt products that I always thought were good for me were loaded with this stuff. In fact many stores rarely carry yogurt that does not contain it.

When I am shopping I actively select products that do not contain HFCS. I even went as far as ordering Dr. Pepper online from a company that makes it with cane sugar.

Dr. Pepper (ok, Schwepps) makes it all. Do you mean that you got some from the Dublin, Texas manufacturing plant?

I don't know how Schwepps does things, but with Coke, the company provides the syrup and the bottlers provide the water and sweetener, so there are a few even in the U.S. that use sugar. I think.

 

[Otis]

Good thread here.

 

[bentley]

Good topic.

I wised up after reading the ABS Diet. I was amazed at how many yogurt products that I always thought were good for me were loaded with this stuff. In fact many stores rarely carry yogurt that does not contain it.

When I am shopping I actively select products that do not contain HFCS. I even went as far as ordering Dr. Pepper online from a company that makes it with cane sugar.

Dr. Pepper (ok, Schwepps) makes it all. Do you mean that you got some from the Dublin, Texas manufacturing plant?

I don't know how Schwepps does things, but with Coke, the company provides the syrup and the bottlers provide the water and sweetener, so there are a few even in the U.S. that use sugar. I think.

The only Dr. Pepper plant that uses cane sugar is in Dublin, Texas. For some reason, it seemed important to note that it was a plant that made it with cane sugar rather than a company. Probably because getting "Dublin Dr. Pepper" used to be a nice treat back when I drank soda.

 

[Psychopav]

Good topic.

I wised up after reading the ABS Diet. I was amazed at how many yogurt products that I always thought were good for me were loaded with this stuff. In fact many stores rarely carry yogurt that does not contain it.

When I am shopping I actively select products that do not contain HFCS. I even went as far as ordering Dr. Pepper online from a company that makes it with cane sugar.

Dr. Pepper (ok, Schwepps) makes it all. Do you mean that you got some from the Dublin, Texas manufacturing plant?

I don't know how Schwepps does things, but with Coke, the company provides the syrup and the bottlers provide the water and sweetener, so there are a few even in the U.S. that use sugar. I think.

According to Wikkipedia (search for "New Coke"), in '84 when Coke switched it's formula, many bottlers were still using cane sugar. New Coke was made w/ HFCS. 4 months later when Coke Classic was reintroduced, 100% of bottlers were making it w/ HFCS.Things may have changed since then, but the fact remains that if you're looking for a conspiracy about New Coke's purpose you can start with this...

 

[prefontaine]

Looks like the Corn Refiners Association isn't going to give up on HFCS without a fight. For those that haven't seen, People magazine is running an ad.



The picture is two women talking. The first says, "My hairdresser says sugar is healthier than high fructose corn syrup." The second responds,"Wow! You get your hair done by a doctor?"

Take away: "There's a lot of misinformation out there about sugars made from corn. Truth is, high fructose corn syrup is nutritionally the same as table sugar and honey. The same number of calories, too. As registered dietitians recommend, keep enjoying the foods you love, just do it in moderation. We welcome a healthy discussion. Get the facts. You're in for a sweet surprise." It's sponsored by sweetsurprise.com

Simply repulsive.

 

[Futility]

Is this thread for real?

 

[Psychopav]

Last year, I cut out the HFCS completely and ate as much sugar as I wanted to. I lost 7% of my body weight doing that, and it hasn't come back.

I have since cut out much of the added sugar as well.

 

[Balco]

Last year, I cut out the HFCS completely and ate as much sugar as I wanted to. I lost 7% of my body weight doing that, and it hasn't come back.I have since cut out much of the added sugar as well.

When I started to watch what I ate, I decided to not purchase any food/beverages that contained wither of the following:1. Hydrogenated Oils2. High Fructose Corn SyrupGlad I did.

 

[prefontaine]

Is this thread for real?

Indeed it is. If you want to read up on this some, here's an article that breaks down a bit of the chemistry to it. And by the way, the Corn Lobby is apparently now running television commercials as well as the print ads. It burns me up that they can not only run these deceiving advertisements (yes, sugar and HFCS have the same caloric content but not the same impact on the body) but no one calls them on it. The Corn Lobby has a lot of friends that come with a lot of money and people like Coke and Cargill and many others also have a huge vested interest in this crap. But HFCS needs to be put up there with trans fat and now.

 

[NYG Endzone]

I have noticed a few more "cane sugar" soft drinks in stores. Of course you pay more but at least they are there.Two brands I have seen with cane sugar are "Hanks" gourmet sodas and Jones sodas.

But we are talking about one's health...what price do you put on being able to function when you are 50?

You are right it would probably be better to just get a 6 pack or two of the good cane sugar drinks, save them for supper only, and drink water any other time.

Do you like Gatorade? Me too but it has HFCS in it so try this instead. Take a glass of OJ, fill it about 1/3 of the way and fill the rest of the glass up with cold water, add a cube or two of ice...you got Gatorade.

Tried Gatorade's watered down product, Propel?

 

[NYG Endzone]

http://www.hfcsfacts.com/

 

[culdeus]

Good topic.

I wised up after reading the ABS Diet. I was amazed at how many yogurt products that I always thought were good for me were loaded with this stuff. In fact many stores rarely carry yogurt that does not contain it.

When I am shopping I actively select products that do not contain HFCS. I even went as far as ordering Dr. Pepper online from a company that makes it with cane sugar.

Dr. Pepper (ok, Schwepps) makes it all. Do you mean that you got some from the Dublin, Texas manufacturing plant?

I don't know how Schwepps does things, but with Coke, the company provides the syrup and the bottlers provide the water and sweetener, so there are a few even in the U.S. that use sugar. I think.

The only Dr. Pepper plant that uses cane sugar is in Dublin, Texas. For some reason, it seemed important to note that it was a plant that made it with cane sugar rather than a company. Probably because getting "Dublin Dr. Pepper" used to be a nice treat back when I drank soda.

Not true. Dr. Pepper has hfcs free formulations that are not from dublin.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

I've lost 20 lbs. since May because I've cut HFCS out of my diet. I've supplemented soda with izze/coffee/tea and things like ketchup with salsa.

 

[MEH]

Is this thread for real?

Indeed it is. If you want to read up on this some, here's an article that breaks down a bit of the chemistry to it. And by the way, the Corn Lobby is apparently now running television commercials as well as the print ads. It burns me up that they can not only run these deceiving advertisements (yes, sugar and HFCS have the same caloric content but not the same impact on the body) but no one calls them on it. The Corn Lobby has a lot of friends that come with a lot of money and people like Coke and Cargill and many others also have a huge vested interest in this crap. But HFCS needs to be put up there with trans fat and now.

I saw a commercial yesterday and thought it was a joke until I saw the "Corn Growers Association" or whatever at the bottom. I couldn't believe it!I try not to eat HFCS as well.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Good topic.I wised up after reading the ABS Diet. I was amazed at how many yogurt products that I always thought were good for me were loaded with this stuff. In fact many stores rarely carry yogurt that does not contain it.When I am shopping I actively select products that do not contain HFCS. I even went as far as ordering Dr. Pepper online from a company that makes it with cane sugar.

Stonyfiled makes some damn good yogurt adn it can't have HFCS and be in Whole Foods...but they sell that brand throughout grocery stores now...a little bit more but not that much and they don't use HFCS

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I've lost 20 lbs. since May because I've cut HFCS out of my diet. I've supplemented soda with izze/coffee/tea and things like ketchup with salsa.

Good for youIf this thread even made one person who was clueless, wise up and cut it out of their diet...good for them.

 

[Saints-Man]

I try to avoid this as well, but I just can't find a substitute for ketchup. Any suggestions?

Avoiding it altogether is basically unpossible at this point. If ketchup is one of the few places you are getting it, you're in great shape. Just try to avoid processed foods as much as possible and use honey as a natural sweetener. Our government has created a major problem with the farming of corn. They'll fix it eventually, but as usual it will take 5 years longer than it needs to.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

People posting in this thread would probably enjoy the documentary King Corn. It sounds goofy, but is a pretty entertaining look at a couple of guys from Boston who move to Iowa for a year to grow corn and track it through the marketplace. It's ends up being virtually impossible to track as corn ends up in almost everything. It covers HFCS, the problems with corn-fed beef, and economic issues surrounding American agriculture, among other topics.

 

[SkyRattlers]

I've lost 20 lbs. since May because I've cut HFCS out of my diet. I've supplemented soda with izze/coffee/tea and things like ketchup with salsa.

Good for youIf this thread even made one person who was clueless, wise up and cut it out of their diet...good for them.

I told my wife about HFCS when this thread first came out and it has really stuck in her head. She grabbed a Powerade yesterday on our way home from camping in Michigan and she checked the label. The speed at which she put it right back on the shelf and grabbed an Aquafina water instead was amazing. Our friends were a little startled and so she had to explain why and she gave them the same speech about HFCS I had given her almost a year ago. The word continues to spread...

 

[SharkBait]

http://www.hfcsfacts.com/

See the bottom right. There's a cylon enjoying some HFCS product, and she looks pretty good doing it. Any chance this is all a ploy by the cylons to slowly kill off the human population?

 

[bolldpt]

Wife got a coke from her boss from mexico. No HFCS in it. i found it very interesting. We try to keep this away from our kids as much as possible. Probably is one of the reasons why their is an increased number of American kids who are becoming diabetics.

 

[NYG Endzone]

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/la-...0,6507691.story

Our experts weigh in: "A number of recent studies . . . have convinced me that HFCS does not affect weight gain," says Barry Popkin of the University of North Carolina, who was an early proponent of the HFCS-obesity hypothesis. "At the same time, there is a new body of research that suggested HFCS might be linked with higher triglyceride levels and other health effects. This research is too preliminary to make any conclusion."

Adds Dr. Julie Lumeng of the University of Michigan: "By exposing children to more sweet foods . . . you may be inducing a long-term preference for sweets that leads to excessive caloric consumption."

 

[aardball44]

Read Michael Pollan's book The Omnivore's Dilemma for some added insight into King Corn, the "miracle food" that's found its way into everything we eat, and its ******* child HFCS.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I've lost 20 lbs. since May because I've cut HFCS out of my diet. I've supplemented soda with izze/coffee/tea and things like ketchup with salsa.

A good low-cal drink is sparkling water with grape juice. Very refreshing.Also, salsa is awesome on a hot dog or a hamburger in lieu of kethup or mayo.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Wife got a coke from her boss from mexico. No HFCS in it. i found it very interesting. We try to keep this away from our kids as much as possible. Probably is one of the reasons why their is an increased number of American kids who are becoming diabetics.

Someone on this board said that HFCS is banned in some countries, including Mexico. Mexican coke is the bomb.

 

[bentley]

Good topic.

I wised up after reading the ABS Diet. I was amazed at how many yogurt products that I always thought were good for me were loaded with this stuff. In fact many stores rarely carry yogurt that does not contain it.

When I am shopping I actively select products that do not contain HFCS. I even went as far as ordering Dr. Pepper online from a company that makes it with cane sugar.

Dr. Pepper (ok, Schwepps) makes it all. Do you mean that you got some from the Dublin, Texas manufacturing plant?

I don't know how Schwepps does things, but with Coke, the company provides the syrup and the bottlers provide the water and sweetener, so there are a few even in the U.S. that use sugar. I think.

The only Dr. Pepper plant that uses cane sugar is in Dublin, Texas. For some reason, it seemed important to note that it was a plant that made it with cane sugar rather than a company. Probably because getting "Dublin Dr. Pepper" used to be a nice treat back when I drank soda.

Not true. Dr. Pepper has hfcs free formulations that are not from dublin.

I did not know that. Thanks.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Wife got a coke from her boss from mexico. No HFCS in it. i found it very interesting. We try to keep this away from our kids as much as possible. Probably is one of the reasons why their is an increased number of American kids who are becoming diabetics.

Someone on this board said that HFCS is banned in some countries, including Mexico. Mexican coke is the bomb.

I don't know if it's banned in Mexico, but Mexican bottlers have no reason to use HCFS instead of sugar. Sugar is cheaper than HCFS in Mexico and just about every other country. It's more expensive in the U.S. because Big Agriculture has convinced Congress to put import restrictions on sugar. As a result, Americans pay twice the world price for sugar. Meanwhile, HCFS is heavily subsidized.

 

[rodg12]

I have a couple questions somewhat stemming from this discussion of HFCS.

Do frozen vegetables (think bag of Green Giant) contain HFCS?

If not, I'm assuming they aren't quite as good as fresh veggies, but do they provide good nutrional value nonetheless?

 

[Agent 47]

Anyone catch the advertisement in favor of corn syrup?

http://www.sweetsurprise.com/index.php?utm...edium=ppc&??

 

[Harris]

I've lost 20 lbs. since May because I've cut HFCS out of my diet. I've supplemented soda with izze/coffee/tea and things like ketchup with salsa.

A good low-cal drink is sparkling water with grape juice. Very refreshing.Also, salsa is awesome on a hot dog or a hamburger in lieu of kethup or mayo.

Annie's Naturals Organic Ketchup :yum: and no HFCS

 

[prefontaine]

I have a couple questions somewhat stemming from this discussion of HFCS.Do frozen vegetables (think bag of Green Giant) contain HFCS?If not, I'm assuming they aren't quite as good as fresh veggies, but do they provide good nutrional value nonetheless?

They shouldn't. In most cases, frozen vegetables are frozen when ripe and fresh and in some cases are better than the vegetables in grocery stores that are picked before ripe. I'd say fresh is generally better than frozen but both are far far superior to canned.

 

[jdoggydogg]

I have a couple questions somewhat stemming from this discussion of HFCS.Do frozen vegetables (think bag of Green Giant) contain HFCS?If not, I'm assuming they aren't quite as good as fresh veggies, but do they provide good nutrional value nonetheless?

I don't think so, but it's in a ton of other foods: granola bars, bread, cereal, canned fruit.

 

[rodg12]

Thanks for the info pre and j. Good to know that the frozen veggies I've been buying and incorporating into my meals are a good option.