Hillary vs __________(insert name here) 2016: Hillary Loses badly (1 Viewer)

[The_Man]

And if the Republicans turned out to vote in 2012 like they did in 2008 they would have been right.

2008 popular vote

McCain: 59.9 M votes

Obama: 69.5 M votes

2012 popular vote

Romney: 60.9 M votes

Obama: 65.9 M votes

Who didn't turn out to vote in 2012? If anything, Republicans were de-motivated in 2008 after 8 years of Bush fatigue, but were highly motivated in 2012 to get rid of Obama. They got 1 million more votes. It was Democrats who were demotivated. But that didn't stop Obama from joining Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Reagan as the only presidents in the last century to get more than 50% of the popular vote twice.

This is another example of Republicans ignoring empirical fact when it doesn't support their opinion.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And if the Republicans turned out to vote in 2012 like they did in 2008 they would have been right.

2008 popular vote

McCain: 59.9 M votes

Obama: 69.5 M votes

2012 popular vote

Romney: 60.9 M votes

Obama: 65.9 M votes

Who didn't turn out to vote in 2012? If anything, Republicans were de-motivated in 2008 after 8 years of Bush fatigue, but were highly motivated in 2012 to get rid of Obama. They got 1 million more votes. It was Democrats who were demotivated. But that didn't stop Obama from joining Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Reagan as the only presidents in the last century to get more than 50% of the popular vote twice.

This is another example of Republicans ignoring empirical fact when it doesn't support their opinion.

This is a little off.

FDR, Reagan and Eisenhower won in routes. That's what makes Obama's "meh" win an anomaly, he actually lost actual and electoral votes and the country was divided and yet still won.

Also, the GOP vote is not just hard core conservatives, it's potentially also independents, they stayed home in 2008 and 2012.

Let's face it, this country is mired in a 50/50 split, we see it everywhere, House, Senate, tv, geographically (even blue states like CA have sizable red counties), this forum. Basically some very disinterested voters in Ohio and a few other borderline states are calling the shots for the whole country. It's impossible to tell if they are motivated by personality or policy or both, or what they had for lunch or what was in the news that week.

It's really hard to argue that someone exciting for the GOP would not have tilted the balance.

People looking at the scatology for what they like will find it; meanwhile the country's just been stuck. What have been Obama's top-5 policy laws that he has actually pushed through Congress outside the ACA and the stimulus (which came at the very beginning)?

 

[Rove!]

best hope for GOP is California breaking into 6 states.

losing the voter ID in Pennsylvania means the Pennsylvania will not be in play for at least a few decades.

The Ds own the main press and entertainment industry and dictate the cultural discussion. It's a lot to overcome. With record numbers on Food Stamps and whatnot they are close to creating a permanent majority

 

[roadkill1292]

If Republicans could dictate the cultural discussion, how would it sound?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

best hope for GOP is California breaking into 6 states.

losing the voter ID in Pennsylvania means the Pennsylvania will not be in play for at least a few decades.

The Ds own the main press and entertainment industry and dictate the cultural discussion. It's a lot to overcome. With record numbers on Food Stamps and whatnot they are close to creating a permanent majority

Pffft.

GOP is going into 49er whiner excuse making mode if that's their argument these days.

 

[timschochet]

As the country continues to go into debt, I think the GOP will have some fine arguments to make- for instance, renegotiating public pensions, making regulations more business friendly (without losing sight of environmental concerns), promoting nuclear energy and natural gas, responsibly addressing tax rates. and adopting the Chamber of Commerce's views on trade and immigration. I believe that these arguments can be sold to the public.

But in order to make these arguments they have to drop their extremism on social issues, and their obstructionist, Tea Party economic attitudes.

 

[fatness]

If Republicans could dictate the cultural discussion, how would it sound?

like this

 

[MaxThreshold]

Hillary is just too old. I'm sticking with that. Does this country really want to go back to being run by the Boomer generation? I don't think so. Look for a dark-horse DEM candidate to emerge from the rubble.

Everyone is sick of the Clintons. The only reason anyone would EVER vote for Hillary is because they want to see Bill, not her.

 

[tommyboy]

tommyboy making a political prediction is like LHUCKS making a stock market prediction. I guess Hillary is going to win this going away now.

You're probably right. I voted for bush sr, clinton, bush jr, mccain and romney. Im only 60%

 

[tommyboy]

And if the Republicans turned out to vote in 2012 like they did in 2008 they would have been right.

2008 popular vote

McCain: 59.9 M votes

Obama: 69.5 M votes

2012 popular vote

Romney: 60.9 M votes

Obama: 65.9 M votes

Who didn't turn out to vote in 2012? If anything, Republicans were de-motivated in 2008 after 8 years of Bush fatigue, but were highly motivated in 2012 to get rid of Obama. They got 1 million more votes. It was Democrats who were demotivated. But that didn't stop Obama from joining Roosevelt, Eisenhower, and Reagan as the only presidents in the last century to get more than 50% of the popular vote twice.

This is another example of Republicans ignoring empirical fact when it doesn't support their opinion.

maybe he meant 2004.

 

[tommyboy]

As the country continues to go into debt, I think the GOP will have some fine arguments to make- for instance, renegotiating public pensions, making regulations more business friendly (without losing sight of environmental concerns), promoting nuclear energy and natural gas, responsibly addressing tax rates. and adopting the Chamber of Commerce's views on trade and immigration. I believe that these arguments can be sold to the public.

But in order to make these arguments they have to drop their extremism on social issues, and their obstructionist, Tea Party economic attitudes.

how about the argument that the Dems suck and they lied to you starting with obama all the way down the line. That sounds like a good argument to make, 'hey, look at the last 8 years, you want more of this crap?"

 

[Ursa M]

As the country continues to go into debt, I think the GOP will have some fine arguments to make- for instance, renegotiating public pensions, making regulations more business friendly (without losing sight of environmental concerns), promoting nuclear energy and natural gas, responsibly addressing tax rates. and adopting the Chamber of Commerce's views on trade and immigration. I believe that these arguments can be sold to the public.

But in order to make these arguments they have to drop their extremism on social issues, and their obstructionist, Tea Party economic attitudes.

how about the argument that the Dems suck and they lied to you starting with obama all the way down the line. That sounds like a good argument to make, 'hey, look at the last 8 years, you want more of this crap?"

Tim put forward some possible GOP themes but you, the dyed-in-the-wool righty, only want to look backwards? The GOP is STILL trying to repeal the ACA, like Don Quixote tilting at windmills. How about spending a year or two on developing some electable policies? That might give Hillary something to think about.

 

[roadkill1292]

As the country continues to go into debt, I think the GOP will have some fine arguments to make- for instance, renegotiating public pensions, making regulations more business friendly (without losing sight of environmental concerns), promoting nuclear energy and natural gas, responsibly addressing tax rates. and adopting the Chamber of Commerce's views on trade and immigration. I believe that these arguments can be sold to the public.

But in order to make these arguments they have to drop their extremism on social issues, and their obstructionist, Tea Party economic attitudes.

how about the argument that the Dems suck and they lied to you starting with obama all the way down the line. That sounds like a good argument to make, 'hey, look at the last 8 years, you want more of this crap?"

"Let's go back to the way things were" sounds like a solid winning platform to me.

 

[joffer]

If Republicans could dictate the cultural discussion, how would it sound?

like Leviticus

 

[Todd Andrews]

KooKs Unite!!!

 

[Fennis]

People who aren't single issue voters weigh a lot of factors in their decision. Small issues may be the tipping point for many.

You election wonks tend to overthink things a lot.

I don't think there will be substantial difference between the two nominees' positions when it comes to marijuana

for early 2016

Rick Perry now supports decriminalization.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Gov-Rick-Perry-for-decriminalization-of-pot-5168667.php.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Rick Perry, Maverick.

 

[fatness]

how about the argument that the Dems suck and they lied to you starting with obama all the way down the line. That sounds like a good argument to make, 'hey, look at the last 8 years, you want more of this crap?"

Speaking of "more of this crap", Mike Huckabee's back to talking about women's libidos.

“And if the Democrats want to insult the women of America by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it, let’s take that discussion all across America, because women are far more than Democrats have made them out to be.”

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/huckabee/transcript/huckabee-real-power-woman-give-life-not-take-it

For Democrats to reduce women to beggars for cheap government funded birth control is demeaning to the women that I know who are far more complicated than their libido and the management of their reproductive system.

Awhile ago he was talking about menstrual cycles. Now it's libidos. Good plan for future elections there.

 

[Rove!]

how about the argument that the Dems suck and they lied to you starting with obama all the way down the line. That sounds like a good argument to make, 'hey, look at the last 8 years, you want more of this crap?"

Speaking of "more of this crap", Mike Huckabee's back to talking about women's libidos.

“And if the Democrats want to insult the women of America by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it, let’s take that discussion all across America, because women are far more than Democrats have made them out to be.”

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/huckabee/transcript/huckabee-real-power-woman-give-life-not-take-it

For Democrats to reduce women to beggars for cheap government funded birth control is demeaning to the women that I know who are far more complicated than their libido and the management of their reproductive system.

Awhile ago he was talking about menstrual cycles. Now it's libidos. Good plan for future elections there.

seems like th pols have come up with an indirect way, playing good cop, bad cop, to tax the crap out of young people having sex.

 

[Ursa M]

Hillary already has the biggest Democrat PAC on her side even undeclared and this early.

NY Times article

 

[CBusAlex]

how about the argument that the Dems suck and they lied to you starting with obama all the way down the line. That sounds like a good argument to make, 'hey, look at the last 8 years, you want more of this crap?"

Speaking of "more of this crap", Mike Huckabee's back to talking about women's libidos.

“And if the Democrats want to insult the women of America by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it, let’s take that discussion all across America, because women are far more than Democrats have made them out to be.”

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/huckabee/transcript/huckabee-real-power-woman-give-life-not-take-it

For Democrats to reduce women to beggars for cheap government funded birth control is demeaning to the women that I know who are far more complicated than their libido and the management of their reproductive system.

Awhile ago he was talking about menstrual cycles. Now it's libidos. Good plan for future elections there.

Good. When I take my wife off our insurance, I'll make sure to tell her it's because I find it demeaning to suggest that she can't control her own polycystic ovarian syndrome without medical assistance.

 

[matuski]

The Right is the gift that keeps on giving. Fire it up!

 

[fatness]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

 

[danielmclark]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

It's the modern Republicanism: you must never, ever be seen as willing to work with Democrats. They are the enemy, and we do not work with our enemies, we eliminate our enemies.

 

[The_Man]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

I love this because this is the kind of stuff that puts McCain on tilt. He is now liable to do something crazily liberal just to spite those MF'ers

 

[bagger]

Elizabeth Warren gets the D nomination IMO.

 

[The_Man]

Elizabeth Warren gets the D nomination IMO.

That would be interesting for sure, but I think there's no way she can possibly raise enough money to compete. Those with deep pockets, even Democrats, are way too scared of her authentic populism. I'd be surprised if she even runs.

 

[bagger]

Elizabeth Warren gets the D nomination IMO.

That would be interesting for sure, but I think there's no way she can possibly raise enough money to compete. Those with deep pockets, even Democrats, are way too scared of her authentic populism. I'd be surprised if she even runs.

youre probably right. Don't know why she wouldn't be able to fund raise unless she is so black balled by corporations which I don't this would necessarily be the case but I have no idea.

 

[danielmclark]

Elizabeth Warren gets the D nomination IMO.

That would be interesting for sure, but I think there's no way she can possibly raise enough money to compete. Those with deep pockets, even Democrats, are way too scared of her authentic populism. I'd be surprised if she even runs.

A Clinton/Warren ticket would be intriguing.

 

[Rove!]

Elizabeth Warren gets the D nomination IMO.

That would be interesting for sure, but I think there's no way she can possibly raise enough money to compete. Those with deep pockets, even Democrats, are way too scared of her authentic populism. I'd be surprised if she even runs.

youre probably right. Don't know why she wouldn't be able to fund raise unless she is so black balled by corporations which I don't this would necessarily be the case but I have no idea.

HRC's inevitability would have a chilling effect. Why donate big bucks to a longshot?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I wasn't a fan of Hillary in 2008 and I'm probably even less interested in the 2016 version.

She, once more, has a massive structural advantage, but Dems tend to like what's next, not next in line. There are a lot of factors to weigh here. Her time as Sec of State is a huge plus (sorry Benghazi nuts), but her idiocy in 2008 and advanced age could be killers.

Warren strikes me as a more sincere version of Hillary with a ton less miles and baggage. No idea if she's even interested. Her Senate run seemed to even be pushing her comfort level at times. She's only two years younger, but probably comes across as younger by virtue of being newer to politics. Warren seems lack the killer instinct which could be exploited.

No clue on what dude could step in here. If Huntsman ran as a Dem he might have a chance.

I don't think Hillary runs unless she's 95% sure she'll win.

 

[Fennis]

Elizabeth Warren gets the D nomination IMO.

That would be interesting for sure, but I think there's no way she can possibly raise enough money to compete. Those with deep pockets, even Democrats, are way too scared of her authentic populism. I'd be surprised if she even runs.

youre probably right. Don't know why she wouldn't be able to fund raise unless she is so black balled by corporations which I don't this would necessarily be the case but I have no idea.

HRC's inevitability would have a chilling effect. Why donate big bucks to a longshot?

If Hillary runs,most of the real contendors may stay out leaving a handful of folks like Brian Schweitzer or Bernie Sanders, who have no chance and will just split the anti Hillary vote, leaving an even easier path for her.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

It's the modern Republicanism: you must never, ever be seen as willing to work with Democrats. They are the enemy, and we do not work with our enemies, we eliminate our enemies.

Oh, please. Give me a break. Like this only applies to the GOP.

 

[squistion]

Rand Paul played the Monica Lewinsky card against Hillary on Meet The Press. That sounds like a great talking point to use against her.

Sen. Paul Raises Monica Factor in Potential Hillary RunBY Dan Friedman

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) suggested the “predatory” sexual behavior of former President Bill Clinton should receive more attention if Hillary Clinton makes another White House run, but backed off claiming that Bill’s actions should impact Hillary’s chances.

Complaining that Democrats' claim Republican are waging a “war on women,” Paul noted that "one of the work place laws and rules that I think are good is that bosses shouldn't prey on young interns in their office.”

“The media seems to have given President Clinton a pass on this,” Paul said on NBC’s "Meet the Press.” “He took advantage of a girl that was 20 years old and an intern in his office. There is no excuse for that and that is predatory behavior.”

 

[The_Man]

Rand Paul played the Monica Lewinsky card against Hillary on Meet The Press. That sounds like a great talking point to use against her.

Sen. Paul Raises Monica Factor in Potential Hillary RunBY Dan Friedman

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) suggested the “predatory” sexual behavior of former President Bill Clinton should receive more attention if Hillary Clinton makes another White House run, but backed off claiming that Bill’s actions should impact Hillary’s chances.

Complaining that Democrats' claim Republican are waging a “war on women,” Paul noted that "one of the work place laws and rules that I think are good is that bosses shouldn't prey on young interns in their office.”

“The media seems to have given President Clinton a pass on this,” Paul said on NBC’s "Meet the Press.” “He took advantage of a girl that was 20 years old and an intern in his office. There is no excuse for that and that is predatory behavior.”

The more Republicans do stuff like this, the more clear it is that they genuinely don't respect women as intelligent, individual human beings, or have any clue what motivates their voting behavior.

 

[danielmclark]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

It's the modern Republicanism: you must never, ever be seen as willing to work with Democrats. They are the enemy, and we do not work with our enemies, we eliminate our enemies.

Oh, please. Give me a break. Like this only applies to the GOP.

Ah yes, the old "Two Wrongs Make a Right" defense. Well played, sir. Well played.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Rand Paul played the Monica Lewinsky card against Hillary on Meet The Press. That sounds like a great talking point to use against her.

Sen. Paul Raises Monica Factor in Potential Hillary RunBY Dan Friedman

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) suggested the “predatory” sexual behavior of former President Bill Clinton should receive more attention if Hillary Clinton makes another White House run, but backed off claiming that Bill’s actions should impact Hillary’s chances.

Complaining that Democrats' claim Republican are waging a “war on women,” Paul noted that "one of the work place laws and rules that I think are good is that bosses shouldn't prey on young interns in their office.”

“The media seems to have given President Clinton a pass on this,” Paul said on NBC’s "Meet the Press.” “He took advantage of a girl that was 20 years old and an intern in his office. There is no excuse for that and that is predatory behavior.”

The more Republicans do stuff like this, the more clear it is that they genuinely don't respect women as intelligent, individual human beings, or have any clue what motivates their voting behavior.

I agree with the last part. The part about respecting women is laughably wrong. The GOP is totally clueless when it comes to figuring out how to get their #### together and getting the majority to vote for them now. but this whole imaginary war on women thing that hardcore liberals have fabricated is just so stupid.

 

[Rove!]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

It's the modern Republicanism: you must never, ever be seen as willing to work with Democrats. They are the enemy, and we do not work with our enemies, we eliminate our enemies.

Oh, please. Give me a break. Like this only applies to the GOP.

Ah yes, the old "Two Wrongs Make a Right" defense. Well played, sir. Well played.

Ah yes, the old "Ah yes, the old 'Two Wrongs Make a Right' defense" defense. Well played, sir. Well played.

 

[danielmclark]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

It's the modern Republicanism: you must never, ever be seen as willing to work with Democrats. They are the enemy, and we do not work with our enemies, we eliminate our enemies.

Oh, please. Give me a break. Like this only applies to the GOP.

Ah yes, the old "Two Wrongs Make a Right" defense. Well played, sir. Well played.

Ah yes, the old "Ah yes, the old 'Two Wrongs Make a Right' defense" defense. Well played, sir. Well played.

That can't possibly be the best you've got. Come on, hit me. Tell me how "Like this only applies to the GOP" is in some way a valid defense of abhorrent behavior on their part.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

It's the modern Republicanism: you must never, ever be seen as willing to work with Democrats. They are the enemy, and we do not work with our enemies, we eliminate our enemies.

Oh, please. Give me a break. Like this only applies to the GOP.

Yes, there's been a rash of Dems getting primary challenges for being bipartisan.

Oh wait, that's the Republicans.

 

[Statorama]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

It's the modern Republicanism: you must never, ever be seen as willing to work with Democrats. They are the enemy, and we do not work with our enemies, we eliminate our enemies.

Oh, please. Give me a break. Like this only applies to the GOP.

Yes, there's been a rash of Dems getting primary challenges for being bipartisan.

Oh wait, that's the Republicans.

The left was never this far left. Ever. Not even FDR was this left. If people that call themselves Republicans sign off on things like unconditional amnesty and socialized medicine, then yes, they should be primaried for being "bipartisan". At some point you have to show yourself to be an alternative voice to Democrat socializm.

And just doing whatever the Democrats want and then "sitting on the back of the bus" is not bipartisanship.

 

[The_Man]

The left was never this far left. Ever. Not even FDR was this left. If people that call themselves Republicans sign off on things like unconditional amnesty and socialized medicine, then yes, they should be primaried for being "bipartisan". At some point you have to show yourself to be an alternative voice to Democrat socializm.

Of course this isn't even remotely true. I have a very hard time distinguishing between the policies of Obama and Richard Nixon. Seriously.

If today's Republicans call Obama a socialist even as the stock market hits all-time highs, what would they have called FDR, when the highest rate for regular marginal income tax was 94%?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

It's the modern Republicanism: you must never, ever be seen as willing to work with Democrats. They are the enemy, and we do not work with our enemies, we eliminate our enemies.

Oh, please. Give me a break. Like this only applies to the GOP.

Yes, there's been a rash of Dems getting primary challenges for being bipartisan.Oh wait, that's the Republicans.

The left was never this far left. Ever. Not even FDR was this left. If people that call themselves Republicans sign off on things like unconditional amnesty and socialized medicine, then yes, they should be primaried for being "bipartisan". At some point you have to show yourself to be an alternative voice to Democrat socializm.

And just doing whatever the Democrats want and then "sitting on the back of the bus" is not bipartisanship.

At least your Palin shtick was funny while being horribly wrong.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

It's the modern Republicanism: you must never, ever be seen as willing to work with Democrats. They are the enemy, and we do not work with our enemies, we eliminate our enemies.

Oh, please. Give me a break. Like this only applies to the GOP.

Yes, there's been a rash of Dems getting primary challenges for being bipartisan.Oh wait, that's the Republicans.

The left was never this far left. Ever. Not even FDR was this left. If people that call themselves Republicans sign off on things like unconditional amnesty and socialized medicine, then yes, they should be primaried for being "bipartisan". At some point you have to show yourself to be an alternative voice to Democrat socializm.

And just doing whatever the Democrats want and then "sitting on the back of the bus" is not bipartisanship.

At least your Palin shtick was funny while being horribly wrong.

It was classic backpedaling. Amusing backpedaling, but backpedaling nonetheless.

 

[Rove!]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

It's the modern Republicanism: you must never, ever be seen as willing to work with Democrats. They are the enemy, and we do not work with our enemies, we eliminate our enemies.

Oh, please. Give me a break. Like this only applies to the GOP.

Ah yes, the old "Two Wrongs Make a Right" defense. Well played, sir. Well played.

Ah yes, the old "Ah yes, the old 'Two Wrongs Make a Right' defense" defense. Well played, sir. Well played.

That can't possibly be the best you've got. Come on, hit me. Tell me how "Like this only applies to the GOP" is in some way a valid defense of abhorrent behavior on their part.

 

[squistion]

Frank Conniff ‏@FrankConniff

Today, Rand Paul slammed Clinton over Lewinsky scandal. Also worried about Y2K bug and growing popularity of the Spice Girls

 

[Ursa M]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

"Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today we are faced with both," the resolution stated.

It went on to reprimand McCain, who has served 27 years in the Senate, for "a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats."

The resolution condemned McCain's role in helping to craft a bill that passed the Senate last year that would provide a pathway to citizenship for up to 11 million illegal immigrants, which the state Republicans called "amnesty."

It's the modern Republicanism: you must never, ever be seen as willing to work with Democrats. They are the enemy, and we do not work with our enemies, we eliminate our enemies.

Oh, please. Give me a break. Like this only applies to the GOP.

Yes, there's been a rash of Dems getting primary challenges for being bipartisan.

Oh wait, that's the Republicans.

The left was never this far left. Ever. Not even FDR was this left. If people that call themselves Republicans sign off on things like unconditional amnesty and socialized medicine, then yes, they should be primaried for being "bipartisan". At some point you have to show yourself to be an alternative voice to Democrat socializm.

And just doing whatever the Democrats want and then "sitting on the back of the bus" is not bipartisanship.

Your frame of reference is completely broken. You should buy a new one.

 

[fatness]

Sen. Paul Raises Monica Factor in Potential Hillary RunBY Dan Friedman

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) suggested the “predatory” sexual behavior of former President Bill Clinton should receive more attention if Hillary Clinton makes another White House run, but backed off claiming that Bill’s actions should impact Hillary’s chances.

Very forward-thinking. Pretty soon the threat of having a president in a wheelchair will be raised as a "valid national concern" that "people are up in arms about".

 

[fatness]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

Here's the full text of the resolution.

As leaders in the Republican Party, we are obligated to fully support our Party, platform, and its

candidates. Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today

we are faced with both. For too long we have waited, hoping Senator McCain would return to our

Party’s values on his own. That has not happened. So with sadness and humility we rise and declare:

Whereas Senator McCain has amassed a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting

for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats, such as Amnesty, funding for ObamaCare, the

debt ceiling, liberal nominees, assaults on the Constitution and 2nd amendment; and

Whereas this record has been disastrous and harmful to Arizona and the United States; and

Whereas Senator McCain has campaigned as a conservative and made promises during his re-election

campaigns, such as the needed and welcomed promise to secure our borders and finish the border

fence, only to quickly flip-flop on those promises; and

Whereas McCain has abandoned our values and has been eerily silent against Liberals, yet publicly

reprimands Conservatives in his own Party, therefore

BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED that the Arizona Republican leadership censures Senator McCain for his

continued disservice to our State and Nation, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that until he consistently champions our Party’s Platform, we, the Republican

leadership in Arizona will no longer support, campaign for or endorse John McCain as our U.S. Senator

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Arizona Republicans censure Senator McCain as too 'liberal'

Here's the full text of the resolution.

As leaders in the Republican Party, we are obligated to fully support our Party, platform, and its

candidates. Only in times of great crisis or betrayal is it necessary to publicly censure our leaders. Today

we are faced with both. For too long we have waited, hoping Senator McCain would return to our

Party’s values on his own. That has not happened. So with sadness and humility we rise and declare:

Whereas Senator McCain has amassed a long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting

for legislation best associated with liberal Democrats, such as Amnesty, funding for ObamaCare, the

debt ceiling, liberal nominees, assaults on the Constitution and 2nd amendment; and

Whereas this record has been disastrous and harmful to Arizona and the United States; and

Whereas Senator McCain has campaigned as a conservative and made promises during his re-election

campaigns, such as the needed and welcomed promise to secure our borders and finish the border

fence, only to quickly flip-flop on those promises; and

Whereas McCain has abandoned our values and has been eerily silent against Liberals, yet publicly

reprimands Conservatives in his own Party, therefore

BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED that the Arizona Republican leadership censures Senator McCain for his

continued disservice to our State and Nation, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that until he consistently champions our Party’s Platform, we, the Republican

leadership in Arizona will no longer support, campaign for or endorse John McCain as our U.S. Senator

Onion?