Homework (1 Viewer)

[Marvin]

Oh well that settles it then.

touche.you're the educator here, you're anti-homework?

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Homework for homework's sake is terrible. But as a teacher I firmly believe that there is value in homework for some subjects...the practice/repetition required to master certain concepts in Math or Language Arts for example.

I am not "anti-homework" but it is painfully obvious that teachers/schools can go way overboard with homework.

 

[Slapdash]

It is insane but it isn't an excuse to treat children (or anyone) that way.

look you can treat your child however you want. The teachers can only recommend someone gets held back if they don't meet standards, the parents can keep advancing them even if they get all F's and do some or none of the homework.Shame on them for wanting to push the child into a better lifestyle or pushing them beyond what they might be capable of.Everyone I know who's a big success got pushed as a kid. And it wasn't pushed in sports that they had 0 chance of getting a scholarship for or playing professionally.it was pushed academically... with homework and drills.again, this is why i suggest there be different flights of education.. if you don't want any homework and just want your kid to be happy, mediocre, and to enjoy the fun social aspects of school and get some minimum competence, that's fine!But America needs more elite learners to compete with the big time minds emerging in the Asian countries and India if we want to stay on top of things.

Doesn't sound like a better lifestyle to me. It amazes me that people think you have to crush yourself with work 12 hours a day to be a success.

 

[Dentist]

Doesn't sound like a better lifestyle to me. It amazes me that people think you have to crush yourself with work 12 hours a day to be a success.

just delayed gratification. people who do intense college programs sacrifice a lot in college, high school, and even as younger children to make it big as adults.People I knew in med/dental school didn't have fun in high school, worked harder than all the other kids on their block in grade and middle school, and overall their college experience pretty well sucked compared to people seeking a liberal arts degree, education degree, or something pretty cushy. My wife said she was never "pushed" academically during the pursuit of her education degree... never had to pull an all-nighter or wonder if she passed a test. You are constantly pushed to the point of mental breakdown in med school because every tenth of a point on your GPA could be the difference between a great cushy specialty like dermatology vs. grinding it out as a general family physician or peds guy.But you get rewarded on the back end of your life by never having to worry about money or job stability.... but you also get rewarded for it by people having disdain/jealousy of your wealth and free time as well as people clamoring to for congress to do whatever they can to cheapen your services (another argument for another horrible political thread)

 

[Dentist]

Oh well that settles it then.

touche.you're the educator here, you're anti-homework?

I was the first person to reply to this thead

Homework for homework's sake is terrible. But as a teacher I firmly believe that there is value in homework for some subjects...the practice/repetition required to master certain concepts in Math or Language Arts for example.

I am not "anti-homework" but it is painfully obvious that teachers/schools can go way overboard with homework.

Obviously it's possible to go overboard on homework. But at my college prep school i was blasted with constant homework, it sucked but i was a more successful college student and am better educated and smarter because of it.I would say what constitutes "too much homework" though is exaggerated. We hated homework when we were in school and our generation doesn't want to see the kids suffer so we clamor for less homework... which isn't to the benefit of the child long term.

 

[Short Corner]

My son gets about an hour/nite since he started 1st grade. They are in class an average of 5 hours/day (hour = 45 minute period) which includes 2 hours of religion/week (public school), 2 hous of artsy fartsy stuff, and 3 hours of PE/week. We give him 30 minutes of English reading per night as well as 30 minutes of Khan Academy math problems.

They split the kids after 4th grade here, based on academic prowess, and then again after 8th grade.

 

[El Floppo]

My son gets about an hour/nite since he started 1st grade. They are in class an average of 5 hours/day (hour = 45 minute period) which includes 2 hours of religion/week (public school), 2 hous of artsy fartsy stuff, and 3 hours of PE/week. We give him 30 minutes of English reading per night as well as 30 minutes of Khan Academy math problems.They split the kids after 4th grade here, based on academic prowess, and then again after 8th grade.

2 hours of religion per week in public school? Which religions?

 

[Dentist]

My son gets about an hour/nite since he started 1st grade. They are in class an average of 5 hours/day (hour = 45 minute period) which includes 2 hours of religion/week (public school), 2 hous of artsy fartsy stuff, and 3 hours of PE/week. We give him 30 minutes of English reading per night as well as 30 minutes of Khan Academy math problems.They split the kids after 4th grade here, based on academic prowess, and then again after 8th grade.

best thing that happened to me was when they took the top 30 in middle school and put us all in this elite program. I was able to get a good education in an otherwise crappy school because they took all the behavior problem unmotivated unintelligent kids out of the way of good learning.Sad part is that even of those kids, only about half parlayed that into a good college degree and a solid middle class job, and only about 2-3 turned that opportunity into elite earning power.

 

[Ned]

Doesn't sound like a better lifestyle to me. It amazes me that people think you have to crush yourself with work 12 hours a day to be a success.

just delayed gratification. people who do intense college programs sacrifice a lot in college, high school, and even as younger children to make it big as adults.People I knew in med/dental school didn't have fun in high school, worked harder than all the other kids on their block in grade and middle school, and overall their college experience pretty well sucked compared to people seeking a liberal arts degree, education degree, or something pretty cushy. My wife said she was never "pushed" academically during the pursuit of her education degree... never had to pull an all-nighter or wonder if she passed a test. You are constantly pushed to the point of mental breakdown in med school because every tenth of a point on your GPA could be the difference between a great cushy specialty like dermatology vs. grinding it out as a general family physician or peds guy.

But you get rewarded on the back end of your life by never having to worry about money or job stability.... but you also get rewarded for it by people having disdain/jealousy of your wealth and free time as well as people clamoring to for congress to do whatever they can to cheapen your services (another argument for another horrible political thread)

Jesus. You've turned into quite the peach.

 

[Short Corner]

My son gets about an hour/nite since he started 1st grade. They are in class an average of 5 hours/day (hour = 45 minute period) which includes 2 hours of religion/week (public school), 2 hous of artsy fartsy stuff, and 3 hours of PE/week. We give him 30 minutes of English reading per night as well as 30 minutes of Khan Academy math problems.They split the kids after 4th grade here, based on academic prowess, and then again after 8th grade.

2 hours of religion per week in public school? Which religions?

You can choose between Catholic, Lutheran, or an ethics class. There is a state religion tax as well that you can opt out of.

 

[Dentist]

Jesus. You've turned into quite the peach.

Sorry, i recognize i'm becoming a bigger basspole by the day but it's like i don't know what to do about it.For what it's worth this is the only forum where i express my true opinions on stuff so if you knew me IRL you'd never know what i really thought because it's bad for business to have elitist opinions.So i speak in super vanilla terms like polished athletes who basically find a way to say absolutely nothing at press conferences.So this is like my only outlet to release my rage.Thanks for listening. although if people start putting the ignore feature on me, i'd understand.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

(hour = 45 minute period)

wat

You can choose between Catholic, Lutheran, or an ethics class. There is a state religion tax as well that you can opt out of.

wat

 

[TxBuckeye]

Sad part is that even of those kids, only about half parlayed that into a good college degree and a solid middle class job, and only about 2-3 turned that opportunity into elite earning power.

Maybe they don't value the same things as you, meaning social standing and money. Maybe those things aren't important to them.

 

[Slapdash]

Doesn't sound like a better lifestyle to me. It amazes me that people think you have to crush yourself with work 12 hours a day to be a success.

just delayed gratification. people who do intense college programs sacrifice a lot in college, high school, and even as younger children to make it big as adults.People I knew in med/dental school didn't have fun in high school, worked harder than all the other kids on their block in grade and middle school, and overall their college experience pretty well sucked compared to people seeking a liberal arts degree, education degree, or something pretty cushy. My wife said she was never "pushed" academically during the pursuit of her education degree... never had to pull an all-nighter or wonder if she passed a test. You are constantly pushed to the point of mental breakdown in med school because every tenth of a point on your GPA could be the difference between a great cushy specialty like dermatology vs. grinding it out as a general family physician or peds guy.But you get rewarded on the back end of your life by never having to worry about money or job stability.... but you also get rewarded for it by people having disdain/jealousy of your wealth and free time as well as people clamoring to for congress to do whatever they can to cheapen your services (another argument for another horrible political thread)

That delayed gratification is never going come around for them; they've warped their thought process and mentality too much to ever really enjoy the fruits of their labour. If people can't find a balance of fun and hard work, that is on them. It isn't too hard. You can work hard and even pull an occasional all-nighter without sacrificing having fun and doing things you enjoy. School is just a signaling device. Besides, people making themselves miserable to get ahead isn't a justification for passing the pain down the line.

 

[Slapdash]

Jesus. You've turned into quite the peach.

Sorry, i recognize i'm becoming a bigger basspole by the day but it's like i don't know what to do about it.For what it's worth this is the only forum where i express my true opinions on stuff so if you knew me IRL you'd never know what i really thought because it's bad for business to have elitist opinions.So i speak in super vanilla terms like polished athletes who basically find a way to say absolutely nothing at press conferences.So this is like my only outlet to release my rage.Thanks for listening. although if people start putting the ignore feature on me, i'd understand.

You need to focus more on the things you enjoy in life besides wealth accumulation. Realize there is more to life than the struggle to acquire money or avoid being dispossesed of it.

 

[Marvin]

Sad part is that even of those kids, only about half parlayed that into a good college degree and a solid middle class job, and only about 2-3 turned that opportunity into elite earning power.

Maybe they don't value the same things as you, meaning social standing and money. Maybe those things aren't important to them.

"Some people are so poor all they have is money."

 

[lbouchard]

My kid is a junior in high school, taking 2 AP classes (out of 6), and he gets at least 3 hours of homework per night. And at his school, they only do 3 classes per day (90 minutes each). So at least one hour of homework per night per class.

 

[El Floppo]

My son gets about an hour/nite since he started 1st grade. They are in class an average of 5 hours/day (hour = 45 minute period) which includes 2 hours of religion/week (public school), 2 hous of artsy fartsy stuff, and 3 hours of PE/week. We give him 30 minutes of English reading per night as well as 30 minutes of Khan Academy math problems.They split the kids after 4th grade here, based on academic prowess, and then again after 8th grade.

2 hours of religion per week in public school? Which religions?

You can choose between Catholic, Lutheran, or an ethics class. There is a state religion tax as well that you can opt out of.

Oh good- at least there's some diversity.

 

[Mjolnirs]

On a related note, the 74 pound backpacks have got to stop

This always bothered me as well.Homework for the sake of homework is stupid and lazy teaching. There are some subjects that I think require some work outside of the class, such as working math problems. Outside of that I think having kids read at home is a big help. Reading assignments of the text book isn't a bad idea, but the problem is when the teachers from all the subjects assign a chapter or more a night. You then have kids stuck reading 5 chapters from 5 books from 5 subjects in one night every night. (it also required them to carry all of their books home) That's stupid and does not encourage reading. It needs to be coordinated between teachers and subjects.The movement in France mentions the lack of help at home. I also think this is a big factor in learning. Parents have to be willing to read some of the material to help the kids understand. Too many people think education is the job of the schools and that's it. Parents have to participate.

 

[TxBuckeye]

The movement in France mentions the lack of help at home. I also think this is a big factor in learning. Parents have to be willing to read some of the material to help the kids understand. Too many people think education is the job of the schools and that's it. Parents have to participate.

My favorite part of homework (ok, they only part I even remotely liked) was the math homework. I actually enjoyed getting in my son's book so I could help with the stuff I used to love when I was in school.

 

[Dentist]

Sad part is that even of those kids, only about half parlayed that into a good college degree and a solid middle class job, and only about 2-3 turned that opportunity into elite earning power.

Maybe they don't value the same things as you, meaning social standing and money. Maybe those things aren't important to them.

very true.but i'm guessing most of them just burned out and underperformed.

 

[TxBuckeye]

Sad part is that even of those kids, only about half parlayed that into a good college degree and a solid middle class job, and only about 2-3 turned that opportunity into elite earning power.

Maybe they don't value the same things as you, meaning social standing and money. Maybe those things aren't important to them.

very true.but i'm guessing most of them just burned out and underperformed.

Could be. But I imagine you have a slightly biased opinion and perhaps a slightly skewed perspective unlike, say, an unbiased observer.

 

[Arizona Ron]

I like "some" homework (like 30 minutes tops) as I like to know what my daughter is working on and I try to apply that to realworld situations whenever possible. But teachers that expect parants to spend several hours with their kid each night helping with homework is BS.

Still this

 

[meatwad1]

If your kid needs help with 'several hours worth of homework' a night either your kid is a dumb-bell or you are. Lots of kids will sit at the table and pout until mommy gives the answers, no matter how long it takes. Other kids will go 'do homework' in their room and claim a couple of workbook pages took them three hours.

 

[belljr]

I have a look at me issue. My daughter is in the gap program. She gets pulled from class twice a week for a couple hours. She has to make up work plus the gap project. Some nights are brutal