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Northern Voice
Footballguy
Prospect is reportedly Johermyn Chavez, which makes this deal a win for the Jays IMO.It looks like Anthonopolous at least has a plan for the Jays and some decent pitching prospects in the system.
Hopefully down the road, a rotation made up of some of:
Kyle Drabek
Ricky Romero
Shaun Marcum
Brandon Morrow
Brett Cecil
Zach Stewart
Dustin McGowan
Robert Ray
Scott Purcey
Marc Rzepczynski
Chad Jenkins
can pan out. Plus those 11 guys I listed probably make less combined than Javier Vazquez.
Eephus
Footballguy
Young pitchers will always have their ups and downs. Hopefully they'll develop into experienced pitchers rather than injured ones like McGowan and Marcum did.Johermyn Chavez is an interesting prospect. There seems to be be some major differences of opinion among minor league pundits. Some people really are down on guys who have to repeat a level, although Chavez improved significantly in his second tour of A ball. He's still not old enough to drink in the US. After this and the Michael Taylor deal, Anthopoulos looks like the rare GM who doesn't fall in love with toolsy players.
Capella
Footballguy
I really hate the AL East. I assume Gonzalez is next to the Sox, or something similar.
Baseball is sucking the fun out of the season and it's not even January yet. I know nobody cares and I won't make a difference, but this may be the first sport I loved growing up that I end up letting go. It's not equitable.
Baseball is sucking the fun out of the season and it's not even January yet. I know nobody cares and I won't make a difference, but this may be the first sport I loved growing up that I end up letting go. It's not equitable.
Eephus
Footballguy
2008. It happened.
Capella
Footballguy
It did. It was amazing. And I'm not going anywhere, but you pretty much have to hope for a large chain of events to happen to the Red Sox-Yanks in order to get there.
Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
Sorry to see Melky go, but you can't argue with this deal.
Of all the big moments in the regular season of 2009 Melky had a ton for the Yanks and I really believe his Cycle against the White Sox was right there behind Cervelli's HR against the Braves.
I hope this doesn't negatively affect Cano in any way.
Of all the big moments in the regular season of 2009 Melky had a ton for the Yanks and I really believe his Cycle against the White Sox was right there behind Cervelli's HR against the Braves.
I hope this doesn't negatively affect Cano in any way.
shadyridr
Footballguy
I agree with you 100%. baseball needs to fix the problem on both ends IMO. Yanks payroll is much higher than any other team's and there also a # of teams with payrolls way too low.
TLEF316
Footballguy
fatcessa was actually arguing how this might be a POSITIVE for Cano. (i dont listen to him anymore, but wanted to hear this thoughts on the trade)Apparently there are rumblings within the organization that Melky's presence held Cano back (from a maturation perspective). Hard to grow up when you're always giggling and playing grabass with your running buddy.Not sure i buy it, but its an interesting theory.
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Yankees shouldn't be allowed to spend as much as they do, but there needs to be a minimum level teams are forced to spend. It's ridiculous seeing the Royals or other cheap teams spend pennies.
shut it down
Footballguy
I'd assume a salary floor would be a given if a cap ever happens.Yankees shouldn't be allowed to spend as much as they do, but there needs to be a minimum level teams are forced to spend. It's ridiculous seeing the Royals or other cheap teams spend pennies.
Eephus
Footballguy
The Oliver signing is noteworthy because it's his third separate tour of duty with the Rangers. Only Kenny Rogers and Bill Hasselman have done that before for Texas. I'm sure somebody must have topped Rickey Henderson's four stints with the A's, but hell if I know who that would be.It's hard to assess Glaus' deal without considering his health and his incentive clauses.
Eephus
Footballguy
$11M arm, two bit head. This one and Brandon Lyon are the early leaders in the worst signing of the off-season.
Bogart
Footballguy
Rodney/Fuentes at the back of that bullpen. The Angels do not scare me at all this year.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
No joke -- based on the moves that have thus far been made, I wouldn't be at all shocked to see the Angels a third place team next year. I'm not saying they WILL, but it wouldn't be shocking at all. Texas made big strides last year, and the M's are having the best offseason in baseball.Angels better do something in a hurry.
Balco
Footballguy
Losing Lackey is huge, and Figgins will hurt, but I still think the Angels have a solid club.
1B: Kendry Morales2B: Howie KendrickSS: Erick Aybar3B: Maicer IzturisLF: Juan RiveraCF: Tori HunterRF: Bobby AbreuDH: Hideki MatsuiAnd if Kazmir pitches like he did post all star break (3.27 ERA, 1.15 whip), the pitching staff should be solid with him, Weaver, Santana, and Saunders. Obviously, the bullpen is a question.
shadyridr
Footballguy
really? oof thats a bad lineup & a weakened rotationLosing Lackey is huge, and Figgins will hurt, but I still think the Angels have a solid club.1B: Kendry Morales2B: Howie KendrickSS: Erick Aybar3B: Maicer IzturisLF: Juan RiveraCF: Tori HunterRF: Bobby AbreuDH: Hideki MatsuiAnd if Kazmir pitches like he did post all star break (3.27 ERA, 1.15 whip), the pitching staff should be solid with him, Weaver, Santana, and Saunders. Obviously, the bullpen is a question.
RnR
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with that line-up or rotation...really? oof thats a bad lineup & a weakened rotationLosing Lackey is huge, and Figgins will hurt, but I still think the Angels have a solid club.
Balco
Footballguy
You think that is a bad lineup? That is a very solid lineup from top to bottom. The only significant loss is Figgins. They lose Guerrero but replace him with a better hitter in Matsui.And that staff is solid. Like I said, losing Lackey hurts, but a full year of Kazmir, and a return to health of Ervin Santana (improved his stats in the 2nd half after an atrocious 1st half) is really going to help. They should still win the West and be a contender for the AL crown. I just don't like Rodney and Fuentes as the end game options.really? oof thats a bad lineup & a weakened rotationLosing Lackey is huge, and Figgins will hurt, but I still think the Angels have a solid club.1B: Kendry Morales2B: Howie KendrickSS: Erick Aybar3B: Maicer IzturisLF: Juan RiveraCF: Tori HunterRF: Bobby AbreuDH: Hideki MatsuiAnd if Kazmir pitches like he did post all star break (3.27 ERA, 1.15 whip), the pitching staff should be solid with him, Weaver, Santana, and Saunders. Obviously, the bullpen is a question.
DropKick
Footballguy
Not everyone gets an All Star or big $ free agent at every position.really? oof thats a bad lineup & a weakened rotationLosing Lackey is huge, and Figgins will hurt, but I still think the Angels have a solid club.
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
Not everyone gets an All Star or big $ free agent at every position.really? oof thats a bad lineup & a weakened rotationLosing Lackey is huge, and Figgins will hurt, but I still think the Angels have a solid club.1B: Kendry Morales2B: Howie KendrickSS: Erick Aybar3B: Maicer IzturisLF: Juan RiveraCF: Tori HunterRF: Bobby AbreuDH: Hideki MatsuiAnd if Kazmir pitches like he did post all star break (3.27 ERA, 1.15 whip), the pitching staff should be solid with him, Weaver, Santana, and Saunders. Obviously, the bullpen is a question.
That lineup should be just fine. No superstars, but no real weak points either.
MAC_32
Footballguy
...and the Tigers are thrilled with the compensatory picks for both.
Eephus
Footballguy
Brandon Wood may finally get a shot. He's never going to be the star people thought he'd be, but he seems capable of hacking out a Russell Branyan type season.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
There is no way that the Diamondbacks would pay Valverde what he wants.....or sign him to more than a one year contract.....and Gregg plays basketball?Lot of closer activity this off season, Gregg and Valverde still hanging around Hearing Gregg to Bucks and Valverde to DBacks
Kraft...
Footballguy
Bucks = Pirates son
Balco
Footballguy
Izturis .798 OPS would place him 5th in the AL for 3B (ahead of Chone Figgins, who he is replacing)
MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
Izturis .798 OPS would place him 5th in the AL for 3B (ahead of Chone Figgins, who he is replacing)
boubucarow
Footballguy
A buck is a deer my friend.Bucks = Pirates son
Eephus
Footballguy
...and Fa is a long long way to runA buck is a deer my friend.Bucks = Pirates son
boubucarow
Footballguy
Dropping Sound of Music lyrics now...This thread may be complete now....and Fa is a long long way to runA buck is a deer my friend.Bucks = Pirates son
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awesomeness
Guest
League sucks. He's got good stuff, fastball can hit 100, but his mental makeup is too weak for him to be an average or above average reliever imo.
shadyridr
Footballguy
wow i didnt know that, i stand correctedIzturis .798 OPS would place him 5th in the AL for 3B (ahead of Chone Figgins, who he is replacing)
RnR
Footballguy
He's no Cesar...wow i didnt know that, i stand correctedIzturis .798 OPS would place him 5th in the AL for 3B (ahead of Chone Figgins, who he is replacing)
Kovax
Footballguy
I see it has been said earlier but I'm really liking the young staff the blue jays are putting togehter. Rzep and Cecil looked good last year. Not so much a fan of Morrow (new closer?) but Marcum and McGowan looked on the verge when healthy. Drabek ready to come in...
Toronto has done some good things. Rios gone, got some good value for Halladay (admittedly they should have gotten more). We'll see - but me likey.
Toronto has done some good things. Rios gone, got some good value for Halladay (admittedly they should have gotten more). We'll see - but me likey.
Eephus
Footballguy
they're still on the hook for 5 yrs/$98.5M for Vernon Wells which is going to limit their flexibility for years. If they can move Lyle Overbay for some prospects, that'll provide some short term relief but the big money years of Wells' contract start in 2011
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
If I am the Jays Owner, I seriously consider taking out a hit on Vernon Wells
Eephus
Footballguy
Diamondbacks reportedly close to signing Kelly Johnson 1 yr/$2.5M. They'll control his arbitration rights in 2011 as well.
I've always liked Johnson's game so I'm hardly impartial, but I like this signing a lot more than the Giants' deal for DeRosa. Johnson is younger, cheaper and bats left handed. DeRosa has a better resume and we all know how much Sabean loves veteran leadership. I don't really dislike the DeRosa deal, especially if the Giants aren't done spending but a budget deal like Johnson's would definitely keep them in the running for other free agents.
I've always liked Johnson's game so I'm hardly impartial, but I like this signing a lot more than the Giants' deal for DeRosa. Johnson is younger, cheaper and bats left handed. DeRosa has a better resume and we all know how much Sabean loves veteran leadership. I don't really dislike the DeRosa deal, especially if the Giants aren't done spending but a budget deal like Johnson's would definitely keep them in the running for other free agents.
At first blush, I thought the Johnson deal looked too good to be true too.(I'm also a Kelly Johnson fan).But, looking into it more, I dunno. Braves have a pretty good history of holding on to guys that they have drafted and brought through their system, that is until something is wrong with them. I think Johnson may not have much more of an upside than we saw a few years back.It's true he's younger than DeRosa, but he'll be 28 before the season, so it's not like he's fresh out of college. And yes, he hits left handed, but the fact is, he can't hit right handed pitching so what good is that? Last year he batted .188 against righties....and in his career, he's about 50 points lower against righties than against lefties. Braves platooned him with the likes of Willie Harris and Martin Prado in the past....and now they are letting him walk after not offering him more than $2M/year? And this is after the Braves have a bit of money freed up after the Vasquez move. To me, it looks like the Braves have seen enough throughout the years to figure out he's not going to be much more than a platoon second baseman. DeRosa on the other hand has a ton of defensive flexibility, and has shown throughout the years he can be a pretty solid hitter. I think DeRosa is quite underrated (although his uneventful Cubs/Cardinals stints didn't really help him much) and I think DeRosa received a reasonable contract from a team that should compete next year. At this point, I think a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, and I'd rather have a a few years of 34 year old DeRosa locked up.
Kovax
Footballguy
Yup, that Wells contract is a big hit. Still, some good young talent there. With Wallace, Taylor and Snider all extremely well-regarded hitting youngsters this team has a bright future. Great team to look at for keepers.
Balco
Footballguy
Agreed. They have some solid young hitters and pitching depth.
Eephus
Footballguy
They traded Taylor for Wallace.
Kovax
Footballguy
Thats right. Good trade? Both were so hyped last year...
Eephus
Footballguy
Discussed a few pages back or in the Halladay/Lee deal thread. I'd like Wallace better if he could play 3B but three organizations agree that he can't. Wallace is younger than Taylor and probably lower risk but I think Taylor has a higher potential ceiling. I don't like that Wallace, Snider and Lind all are young LF/1B/DH types. Those are arguably the easiest positions to plug a bat into, although the Giants sure have their problems doing so. Taylor might end up in LF anyway but he's more athletic (no pun intended). All three young Blue Jays look to be legitimate hitters.
