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Went down stairs yesterday and water is slowly leaking from our hot water tank...not surprised it is almost 20 years old.

Went on the Home Depot website and the prices are from 500 to 2K for a 50 gallon tank. I can`t even remember buying the last one or who installed it.

I don`t buy these very often so is there Anything special to look for or what a good price point is? It is only my wife and I in the house now so a 50 gallon is plenty and I do not want the tankless water heater.

 
You didn't specify gas or electric.  Regardless, the replacement task is relatively simple if you have basic handyman skills.  This is assuming your existing set up has shut off valves installed in the lines leading to the water heater.  

They sell flexible pipe for both the water and gas lines.  Buy the ones with the shark grip ends and there is no sweating of the copper lines.  Simply buy a cheap pipe cutter to cut the existing lines, connect to the tank and slip over the existing pipe. 

I purchased and installed this 50 Gallon Rheem Water Heater a few years ago and haven't had any issues at all.  Had a 40 gallon previous and while it's only 10 gallons, it seems to make a huge difference.

 
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Elec or gas?

Rheem's a good name.  AO Smith is garbage.  

Lemme know elec or gas, can make some rec's

 
You didn't specify gas or electric.  Regardless, the replacement task is relatively simple if you have basic handyman skills.  This is assuming your existing set up has shut off valves installed in the lines leading to the water heater.  

They sell flexible pipe for both the water and gas lines.  Buy the ones with the shark grip ends and there is no sweating of the copper lines.  Simply buy a cheap pipe cutter to cut the existing lines, connect to the tank and slip over the existing pipe. 

I purchased and installed this 50 Gallon Rheem Water Heater a few years ago and haven't had any issues at all.  Had a 40 gallon previous and while it's only 10 gallons, it seems to make a huge difference.
Gas

 
I had one replaced a couple of months ago (had a 40 gallon that was too small, so upgraded to a 50 gallon).  I'm pretty incompetent on this stuff, so used a local place that was also replacing the HVAC on our house (ETA: they said venting was not properly done for the old one, probably from DIY previous owner, so probably best that I brought the professional in).  They installed a Bradford White (which is not sold outside professional installation).  I think all-in cost was around $1,000.

 
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Assuming all the proper venting is already in place, replacement can be pretty simple.  
Take a quick measurement of the height of your existing water heater with what you will be replacing it with.  If they're close to the same height, it's simply a few screws to disconnect from the old and reinstall on the new. 

 
Just make sure you measure the height of your current one relative to the new one. They have gotten taller over the years.

Or, what the guy above me said.  :lol:

 
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I see that..does it make a difference?
Not really, only when it comes to the venting and supply lines.  With the flexible pipe with the shark connectors, that eliminates the issue on the water lines, as they come in various lengths.  For the venting, you may have to add or remove a small length if the height is way different.  But that pipe is cheap. 

 
So I call the company that does the HD install and tell them the make of tank and price.

They quote me a total of 1565.00!!  I say..the tank is only around $500 so you are telling me it is a grand for install?  She says..well that included delivery and haul away too.      I am going to have to make some calls to my buddies.

 
So I call the company that does the HD install and tell them the make of tank and price.

They quote me a total of 1565.00!!  I say..the tank is only around $500 so you are telling me it is a grand for install?  She says..well that included delivery and haul away too.      I am going to have to make some calls to my buddies.
That's about the going rate around here from plumbers that I know. Anywhere from $1200 to $1800.  So not totally out of line from a pro. 

 
Something to think about, when we replaced our gas water heater with a larger one we had to increase the vent piping from 2" to 3".  I'm not sure how much of a difference it makes but you don't want to end up with an exhaust or CO issue in the house.

 
I bought a $500 as one from Home Depot a couple years back. Thankfully my BIL is a plumber and did it for me. Not really a haul away cost in my area because you can bring in old water heaters to a yearly city drop off. I think it was $20 to drop it off.

 
So I call the company that does the HD install and tell them the make of tank and price.

They quote me a total of 1565.00!!  I say..the tank is only around $500 so you are telling me it is a grand for install?  She says..well that included delivery and haul away too.      I am going to have to make some calls to my buddies.
If you're a plumber you're picturing 4-6 hrs of work from the moment they leave their house, pick up the tank, shlep it to basement, shlep old one out (prob 2 guys for that part), then install and test (gotta build in time for the heater to warm up).  

So with the two guys for transport, etc you've got maybe 8 hrs of labor to book.  Plumbers can bill up to $150/hr, so you're in the ballpark there

 
Just make sure you measure the height of your current one relative to the new one. They have gotten taller over the years.

Or, what the guy above me said.  :lol:

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what is your thought regarding tankless on demand systems i feel like when my tank goes i might want one but i have heard mixed reviews thanks chiefd for giving us one to grow on and take that to the bank bromigo 

 
If it's me I do this:

-watch youtubes

-watch more youtubes

-take a look around my existing heater.  Are there good condition shutoffs for the water lines and gas lines?  

-Review the venting system, and google what code requirements are, see if they match.  If unsure take photos and post here

-Buy the new water heater.  Shlep it down to your basement, next to existing

-Make a parts list, buy the parts.  If unsure post here.

-Pick a day where you will have no hot water for the day, make it clear to family.  Turn off unit before going to bed.

-Wake up early, drain the lukewarm water off with hose to sink.  Disconnect / cut pipes after isolating all valves, and haul the thing to the backyard.

-Line up new, use sharkbite fittings and flex cxns to join up.  

-Test all cxns (water leaks are visible, use snoop / soapy water for gas leaks)

-Somewhere in here crack a beer

-Pat yourself on the back

 
If you're a plumber you're picturing 4-6 hrs of work from the moment they leave their house, pick up the tank, shlep it to basement, shlep old one out (prob 2 guys for that part), then install and test (gotta build in time for the heater to warm up).  

So with the two guys for transport, etc you've got maybe 8 hrs of labor to book.  Plumbers can bill up to $150/hr, so you're in the ballpark there
Just called my buddy`s friend who is a handyman.  I am going to pick it up at HD..he said he would do the install for 100 bucks and dispose of the old tank in his work yard. Said he has done 50-60 installs on tanks.

 
what is your thought regarding tankless on demand systems i feel like when my tank goes i might want one but i have heard mixed reviews thanks chiefd for giving us one to grow on and take that to the bank bromigo 
love the tankless.  its in my crawlspace, properly vented and I've had zero issues.  nothing like keeping gallons of water in your attic or garage I guess.  what could go wrong?

 
what is your thought regarding tankless on demand systems i feel like when my tank goes i might want one but i have heard mixed reviews thanks chiefd for giving us one to grow on and take that to the bank bromigo 
I think they are great. I wouldn't put one in my house for the simple fact I don't want to spend the money it would take to install it. My family of 5 does fine with a 50 gallon tank.

But if you have the budget, I would do it. 

 
Well boys I waited a day too long and the tank blew yesterday morning so not hot water yesterday at all.

I had to clean a bunch of snow off before work..try taking an ice cold shower coming in from sub zero weather...I was screaming. Going right now to pick up tank at HD.  A friend of a friend is coming over at 10am to install it..did not ask him how much because it is irrelevant at this point.

Going with the 50 gallon Rheem.  Will let you know if I get fleeced.

 
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Well boys I waited a day too long and the tank blew yesterday morning so not hot water yesterday at all.

I had to clean a bunch of snow off before work..try taking an ice cold shower coming in from sub zero weather...I was screaming. Going right now to pick up tank at HD.  A friend of a friend is coming over at 10am to install it..did not ask him how much because it is irrelevant at this point.

Going with the 50 gallon Rheem.  Will let you know if I get fleeced.
How’d it go? 

 
How’d it go? 
Good..guy at HD talked me into upgrading the tank. For 80 dollars more it had a 10 year warranty instead of 6 and was self cleaning.

My buddy's friends came over with his son..took them about an hour total but they knew what they were doing..they had to cut the vent to make it fit, and cut the 2 water pipes a couple of inches as well.  Charged me 100.00.  I was well worth it.  I watched them and I could not have done it myself.

It was sloppy mess to clean up after though.

 
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Good..guy at HD talked me into upgrading the tank. For 80 dollars more it had a 10 year warranty instead of 6 and was self cleaning.

My buddy's friends came over with his son..took them about an hour total but they knew what they were doing..they had to cut the vent to make it fit, and cut the 2 water pipes a couple of inches as well.  Charged me 100.00.  I was well worth it.  I watched them and I could not have done it myself.

It was sloppy mess to clean up after though.
Does your friend travel?  Mine died this weekend. :angry:  

 
Our went out slow like--so we were lucky. We have a service guard plan with our utility company. They came out and replaced it at not cost. Watching the guys do it, there is no way I could have done it. 

 
Just called my buddy`s friend who is a handyman.  I am going to pick it up at HD..he said he would do the install for 100 bucks and dispose of the old tank in his work yard. Said he has done 50-60 installs on tanks.
That’s a steal! Especially with the disposal thrown in.

 
Keerock said:
Does your friend travel?  Mine died this weekend. :angry:  
I will ask him..don`t have the HD contract company do it.   I think my tank was around 600.  They quoted me like 1450 for the same tank.  I said 1450?  Then she went into well we pick it up and dispose of the old one. I said for 850.00 that is the least you could do.

 
I will ask him..don`t have the HD contract company do it.   I think my tank was around 600.  They quoted me like 1450 for the same tank.  I said 1450?  Then she went into well we pick it up and dispose of the old one. I said for 850.00 that is the least you could do.
Thanks GB!

 
Good..guy at HD talked me into upgrading the tank. For 80 dollars more it had a 10 year warranty instead of 6 and was self cleaning.

My buddy's friends came over with his son..took them about an hour total but they knew what they were doing..they had to cut the vent to make it fit, and cut the 2 water pipes a couple of inches as well.  Charged me 100.00.  I was well worth it.  I watched them and I could not have done it myself.

It was sloppy mess to clean up after though.
Self cleaning?

 
What is self cleaning?  Does it flush itself out or something?  I empty mine once a year to get rid of the scale in the tank.  Since I’ve gotten a water softener, it’s significantly less.

 
The guy finally got back to me, he is a friend of a friend.

The plumber just had rotator cuff surgery and it out of commission for  a couple of months for heavy stuff.
Got it replaced next day.  $950.  New one is SIGNIFICANTLY better than the 21 year old one... I almost forgot what a hot shower felt like!

Good news is my freezer stopped working the next day :angry:   Appliance warranty activated...

 
Got it replaced next day.  $950.  New one is SIGNIFICANTLY better than the 21 year old one... I almost forgot what a hot shower felt like!

Good news is my freezer stopped working the next day :angry:   Appliance warranty activated...
I agree..I can make instant coffee and oatmeal from the hot tap water.

 
If it's me I do this:

-watch youtubes

-watch more youtubes

-take a look around my existing heater.  Are there good condition shutoffs for the water lines and gas lines?  

-Review the venting system, and google what code requirements are, see if they match.  If unsure take photos and post here

-Buy the new water heater.  Shlep it down to your basement, next to existing

-Make a parts list, buy the parts.  If unsure post here.

-Pick a day where you will have no hot water for the day, make it clear to family.  Turn off unit before going to bed.

-Wake up early, drain the lukewarm water off with hose to sink.  Disconnect / cut pipes after isolating all valves, and haul the thing to the backyard.

-Line up new, use sharkbite fittings and flex cxns to join up.  

-Test all cxns (water leaks are visible, use snoop / soapy water for gas leaks)

-Somewhere in here crack a beer

-Pat yourself on the back
I just replaced my hot water heater this past weekend and this advice helped... so thanks!  I know you said A.O. Smith was garbage but that is what I ended up getting.  I bought it from a local plumbing and heating supply company.  I didn't go to Lowe's.  Places like this always claim their stuff is better compared to Lowe's and HD.  I have no idea if that is true or not.  This is the kind of place that mostly sells stuff to contractors, but also has a showroom for the public too.  It is definitely not a superstore.

Between my wife, step-son, and myself we have all had times where we ran out of hot water during a shower so we were thinking about getting a new one.  I finally went to the basement and found out the tank we had was 50 gallons and about 22 years old... so we decided to get a new one.  The one thing I liked about AO Smith is they had 55 gallon tanks.  The little bit extra capacity kind of felt like that little bit of extra we needed to not run out of hot water.

The cool thing about this place is when I went in and ordered the unit, the guy at the counter pretty much put together an order of all the parts I would need for the install while I was standing there.  I got one of those circular pans for the bottom, shark bite flex connections, T&P copper drain tube, and a shark bite piece to install and hold the drain tube.  I walked out with all the parts I needed.  Delivery was free.

I had it delivered on a Thursday and picked Friday night to drain the old one.  My wife and step-son helped me move it to the basement with the use of a dolly.  Since it was in the basement I used two 5 gallon buckets to drain it.  As one was filling, I dumped the other.  I do not have a drain or utility sink in my basement so I had to carry the water buckets outside.  It was kind of a pain but I thought of it as a workout.  Luckily it drained pretty easily.  Some sediment, but no clogging.

I was planning to drain it Friday night then install the new one Saturday morning... but the draining part went so well I was kind of on a roll so I kept going.  I ended up installing everything Friday night, and only had the cleanup left to do Saturday morning.  It was electric, which appears easier to install compared to gas.  I pretty much followed each step along the way in the instruction manual to make sure I didn't miss anything or screw up.  In the end there were no major problems.  I won't say it was easy, but it wasn't that difficult.

After I got done we noticed that the water got hotter compared to the old unit.  We are wondering if maybe one of the elements in the old one died out.  The temp. settings on the new one was the same as the old, so we are thinking the old one was on it's last legs anyway.  Since I got done earlier than expected... my wife and I had time to visit a brewery Saturday afternoon and followed your second to last bullet point.  It was delicious.

 
Forgot to mention... my wife and I keep normally keep a box of scrap metal in the garage.  We have scrappers that come through our neighborhood every now and then.  On Saturday morning we put the old hot water heater out on the curb in front of our house along with a small box of miscellaneous metal pieces.  By the time we got back from the Brewery and dinner Saturday night it was all gone.

 
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It's always fun to cut the old water heater in half once you get it outside to see how much funk is in the inside. 

 
Forgot to mention... my wife and I keep normally keep a box of scrap metal in the garage.  We have scrappers that come through our neighborhood every now and then.  On Saturday morning we put the old hot water heater out on the curb in front of our house along with a small box of miscellaneous metal pieces.  By the time we got back from the Brewery and dinner Saturday night it was all gone.
The last time I did my water heater a few years ago was a couple days before our city big trash pick up. It's where you throw all your big old appliances, furniture, etc on the curb and the city comes and throws it away for free.

Anyway, it's scrapper heaven. And because of the timing, I just stood outside, and the first scrapper that drove by I flagged him down and told him I had an old water heater in the basement he could have if he hauled it out.

You would have thought I offered him a case of beer and a stripper. He jumped out with his helper and had that thing hauled out lickity split.  :lol:

 
@Jutz be sure to adjust the temp of the water, esp w kids. Use a meat thermometer, check w few different fixtures / showers. You want 120-125 depending on is you like really hot showers. Also remember you can adjust the max temperature of a shower at the shower fixture, so if you find one shower seems to be colder than others look to adjust that showers max temp locally 

 
And last one Jutz - big sharpie, write month / year installed. Remember to replace the anode in 7 years or so and you’ll get at least 20 years from the heater 

 
The last time I did my water heater a few years ago was a couple days before our city big trash pick up. It's where you throw all your big old appliances, furniture, etc on the curb and the city comes and throws it away for free.

Anyway, it's scrapper heaven. And because of the timing, I just stood outside, and the first scrapper that drove by I flagged him down and told him I had an old water heater in the basement he could have if he hauled it out.

You would have thought I offered him a case of beer and a stripper. He jumped out with his helper and had that thing hauled out lickity split.  :lol:
Yes! GB the scrappers.  Late last year I got a new fridge.  My old fridge had one of those long coiled up copper lines running to the water dispenser line.  When I got the new fridge I replaced the copper line with a stainless steel braided line... so the old copper one was part of our scrap pile.  I'm sure that thing looked like gold all coiled up in the box next to the water heater.  We've gotten rid of a lot of stuff using the ole' curb.

 

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