Agreed - it certainly looks like there's going to be a lot more action this seasonI thought it was excellent.
Agreed - it certainly looks like there's going to be a lot more action this seasonI thought it was excellent.
Yeah, the characters aren’t as good as GOTs. Otto and Aemond’s talk felt less cool than it should have been. I’ve enjoyed it so far and as long as there are no more birthing scenes, I’ll be good. They’ve said this will be 4 seasons man. An article mentions that one big battle was pushed from season 2 to 3, so we might get a few filler episodes.I liked it, cool ending, things are escalating nicely. Still missing any Tyrian level characters IMO but will genuinely be looking forward to each episode.
For me, the characters aren't close to GOT as there is hardly any likable ones to root for. And there is a lack of any Tyrion type of fun or humor, just seemingly miserable people.Yeah, the characters aren’t as good as GOTs.I liked it, cool ending, things are escalating nicely. Still missing any Tyrian level characters IMO but will genuinely be looking forward to each episode.
If you truly didn't watch the last couple seasons of GoT out of spite I feel bad for you. But, like you said. Art is subjective. I do think a whole lot of people bailed on it, or said they bailed on it, due to their own pretentiousness of not being ahead of the crowd anymore. "They ran out of source material. It's not as good." Ehh. Ok. I'm not going to argue that the dialogue was as good. It wasn't. But, it was still pretty damn good, and the film-making aspect of the show was prodigious.??????Lol. I don't hop out of bed with my wife at 10 pm to come in here to see what you nerds thought. With the amount of pure crap available on TV it's wild to me that anyone would trash these series. Even GoT was better than just about everything else at the end. I guess saying "I bailed on GoT when it got stupid" is cool?No posts in here after the premier kinda sums up how badly those 2 idiots destroyed this franchise. Its honestly kinda funny how almost nobody wants to get invested.
Thought it was good-ish. Some decent setup for what I'm sure is to come. Clearly the budget is there. I like some of the characters but there's nobody close to the level of the early GOT's seasons. They're all just lesser and less charismatic versions. Alcock had potential to grow into the something but she's obviously gone now. Smith is pretty good as Daemon and Aemond is solid but nobody else has "it".
We are a truly entitled generation of people. The scope of these two shows is nothing short of incredible.
GOT did actually get stupid. I'm not the only person who felt that way. That particular opinion seems to be shared by literally everybody living on this planet except for you. Which is fine -- art is subjective, and if you liked what they did with the last couple of seasons, wonderful. There's a bunch of Star Wars and Marvel content out there just waiting for you, and part of me envies you for that.
It's fine to hold contrarian views about various franchises, but there's something very weird about storming in and stamping your feet in anger when somebody casually mentions that they tapped out of a show that was universally-panned during the end of its run. Get out of your little bubble.
Lol at the "I feel for you" shtick. I think we are all fine. It's a TV show.I literally just watched "The Long Night." Finished it 10 minutes ago. Man, if you missed that 60 minutes+ of TV because it was "stupid" or too much like a comic book movie I really do feel bad.
The Reddit thread has tens of thousands of posts. More of an indictment on the activity on this board. This is the most popular show that could debut on tv this year, blaming B&B for anything around it is just bitterness.No posts in here after the premier kinda sums up how badly those 2 idiots destroyed this franchise. Its honestly kinda funny how almost nobody wants to get invested.
I get that, and I said it in the other thread when they originally aired so I'll be done after this. Everyone loved those aspects of it. I don't know how you scheme against dragons and zombies? The show was always going in that direction. Cersei was still running her schemes. So was Littlefinger and he got got in his last one. People hated Dany's turn, but it was always there. Foreshadowed back in season 2 and throughout the series. I just have the stance that many of the people that didn't like the last seasons as much or decided to bail did so because they didn't know the outcomes anymore and couldn't feel superior to people only watching the show. Not everyone, but some.Lol at the "I feel for you" shtick. I think we are all fine. It's a TV show.I literally just watched "The Long Night." Finished it 10 minutes ago. Man, if you missed that 60 minutes+ of TV because it was "stupid" or too much like a comic book movie I really do feel bad.
Here is my position- the show got far away from what I and many loved - intelligent characters scheming, great dialogue, and great characters. Usually what I see as examples of greatness in the later seasons are the epic battle episodes. Hardhomme, this one, etc. Yes, those were damn good, but IMO it's still not worth wading through the other 8+ hours of the seasons that have very little of what I described I loved.
Way too much epically dumb, Walking Dead type stuff going on. Enjoyable on its own terms, but a harder pill to swallow after the 1st 4 seasons.
I didn’t say they didn’t fumble the ending but not watching a completely different show that they have absolutely zero involvement with because of them (??? Feels weird to just type that out) is a you problem not a them or an HBO problem.But I never rewatched anything after that. To say they didn’t fumble a franchise is disingenuous.
On the plus side, these books are complete.The Reddit thread has tens of thousands of posts. More of an indictment on the activity on this board. This is the most popular show that could debut on tv this year, blaming B&B for anything around it is just bitterness.No posts in here after the premier kinda sums up how badly those 2 idiots destroyed this franchise. Its honestly kinda funny how almost nobody wants to get invested.
Really? The end of Thrones 100% plays a role in my lack of anticipation here. I will eventually watch, but I don’t have any motivation to make it must see.
And I re-watched seasons 1-4 probably 3x and season 5 twice. But I never rewatched anything after that. To say they didn’t fumble a franchise is disingenuous.
Looking forward to Dunk and Egg, but that will be an anthology too.
Agreed - it certainly looks like there's going to be a lot more action this seasonI thought it was excellent.
Martin was a producer and writer on the show. Don't you think he had some say in the way the story turned out?On the plus side, these books are complete.The Reddit thread has tens of thousands of posts. More of an indictment on the activity on this board. This is the most popular show that could debut on tv this year, blaming B&B for anything around it is just bitterness.No posts in here after the premier kinda sums up how badly those 2 idiots destroyed this franchise. Its honestly kinda funny how almost nobody wants to get invested.
Really? The end of Thrones 100% plays a role in my lack of anticipation here. I will eventually watch, but I don’t have any motivation to make it must see.
And I re-watched seasons 1-4 probably 3x and season 5 twice. But I never rewatched anything after that. To say they didn’t fumble a franchise is disingenuous.
Looking forward to Dunk and Egg, but that will be an anthology too.
But the books are much more of a higher level summary of the key events in the war than a full narrative, so the show has done the majority of the character development and interactions among the characters on their own anyway.
It was as great visually and had some awesome moments but honestly, it also showed some of the problems the show runners had when they ran out of material. We see the Dothraki get basically wiped out and pretty much all the Unsullied. A week later in Kings Landing they are miraculously healed and back to full force.I literally just watched "The Long Night." Finished it 10 minutes ago. Man, if you missed that 60 minutes+ of TV because it was "stupid" or too much like a comic book movie I really do feel bad.
Based on how long it’s taken for the last book, I think he was an advisor and not the creative source of everything. The problem wasn’t the story, it was the execution and details that fell apart. The show runners may have had the arcs and big battles/stories in place but it as how they got to the end and filled it out that was the problem.Martin was a producer and writer on the show. Don't you think he had some say in the way the story turned out?On the plus side, these books are complete.The Reddit thread has tens of thousands of posts. More of an indictment on the activity on this board. This is the most popular show that could debut on tv this year, blaming B&B for anything around it is just bitterness.No posts in here after the premier kinda sums up how badly those 2 idiots destroyed this franchise. Its honestly kinda funny how almost nobody wants to get invested.
Really? The end of Thrones 100% plays a role in my lack of anticipation here. I will eventually watch, but I don’t have any motivation to make it must see.
And I re-watched seasons 1-4 probably 3x and season 5 twice. But I never rewatched anything after that. To say they didn’t fumble a franchise is disingenuous.
Looking forward to Dunk and Egg, but that will be an anthology too.
But the books are much more of a higher level summary of the key events in the war than a full narrative, so the show has done the majority of the character development and interactions among the characters on their own anyway.
Right. Which is why I am more hopeful for Dunk and Egg.On the plus side, these books are complete.The Reddit thread has tens of thousands of posts. More of an indictment on the activity on this board. This is the most popular show that could debut on tv this year, blaming B&B for anything around it is just bitterness.No posts in here after the premier kinda sums up how badly those 2 idiots destroyed this franchise. Its honestly kinda funny how almost nobody wants to get invested.
Really? The end of Thrones 100% plays a role in my lack of anticipation here. I will eventually watch, but I don’t have any motivation to make it must see.
And I re-watched seasons 1-4 probably 3x and season 5 twice. But I never rewatched anything after that. To say they didn’t fumble a franchise is disingenuous.
Looking forward to Dunk and Egg, but that will be an anthology too.
But the books are much more of a higher level summary of the key events in the war than a full narrative, so the show has done the majority of the character development and interactions among the characters on their own anyway.
my understanding is he wasn't involved heavily, more getting credits for source material and providing a basic outline.Martin was a producer and writer on the show. Don't you think he had some say in the way the story turned out?On the plus side, these books are complete.The Reddit thread has tens of thousands of posts. More of an indictment on the activity on this board. This is the most popular show that could debut on tv this year, blaming B&B for anything around it is just bitterness.No posts in here after the premier kinda sums up how badly those 2 idiots destroyed this franchise. Its honestly kinda funny how almost nobody wants to get invested.
Really? The end of Thrones 100% plays a role in my lack of anticipation here. I will eventually watch, but I don’t have any motivation to make it must see.
And I re-watched seasons 1-4 probably 3x and season 5 twice. But I never rewatched anything after that. To say they didn’t fumble a franchise is disingenuous.
Looking forward to Dunk and Egg, but that will be an anthology too.
But the books are much more of a higher level summary of the key events in the war than a full narrative, so the show has done the majority of the character development and interactions among the characters on their own anyway.
my understanding is he wasn't involved heavily, more getting credits for source material and providing a basic outline.Martin was a producer and writer on the show. Don't you think he had some say in the way the story turned out?On the plus side, these books are complete.The Reddit thread has tens of thousands of posts. More of an indictment on the activity on this board. This is the most popular show that could debut on tv this year, blaming B&B for anything around it is just bitterness.No posts in here after the premier kinda sums up how badly those 2 idiots destroyed this franchise. Its honestly kinda funny how almost nobody wants to get invested.
Really? The end of Thrones 100% plays a role in my lack of anticipation here. I will eventually watch, but I don’t have any motivation to make it must see.
And I re-watched seasons 1-4 probably 3x and season 5 twice. But I never rewatched anything after that. To say they didn’t fumble a franchise is disingenuous.
Looking forward to Dunk and Egg, but that will be an anthology too.
But the books are much more of a higher level summary of the key events in the war than a full narrative, so the show has done the majority of the character development and interactions among the characters on their own anyway.
Even in Season 5 they got away from the books and had people in different places with different people, so they weren't always even going by the books when there was source material.
Up until the fourth season, Martin wrote one episode for each season. In 2022, Martin said that he had been estranged from the show during the production process of the last 4 seasons (starting with season 5).[87] In the early seasons, Martin wrote and read scripts, consulted on casting decisions and visited sets. Over time, however, he stepped back to focus on his long-delayed next "Thrones" novel, The Winds of Winter.[87]
That was my take from Season 1. The two Rhae's were good and Daemon was set up, IMO, to be the Tyrion of this show but it's all a little too grim for me. Maybe I've changed, but I just don't connect with any of them all that much.Guess I'm glad the new season is out, but is it just me, or are none of the characters really that compelling?
Definitely no lighthearted or at least funny characters like in thrones. It’s definitely missing that.Guess I'm glad the new season is out, but is it just me, or are none of the characters really that compelling?
Often wondered if the books ever got done (lol) if they’d go back and re-do the series like 20 years from now. I guess they are doing a Harry Potter series now so anything is possible.my understanding is he wasn't involved heavily, more getting credits for source material and providing a basic outline.Martin was a producer and writer on the show. Don't you think he had some say in the way the story turned out?On the plus side, these books are complete.The Reddit thread has tens of thousands of posts. More of an indictment on the activity on this board. This is the most popular show that could debut on tv this year, blaming B&B for anything around it is just bitterness.No posts in here after the premier kinda sums up how badly those 2 idiots destroyed this franchise. Its honestly kinda funny how almost nobody wants to get invested.
Really? The end of Thrones 100% plays a role in my lack of anticipation here. I will eventually watch, but I don’t have any motivation to make it must see.
And I re-watched seasons 1-4 probably 3x and season 5 twice. But I never rewatched anything after that. To say they didn’t fumble a franchise is disingenuous.
Looking forward to Dunk and Egg, but that will be an anthology too.
But the books are much more of a higher level summary of the key events in the war than a full narrative, so the show has done the majority of the character development and interactions among the characters on their own anyway.
Even in Season 5 they got away from the books and had people in different places with different people, so they weren't always even going by the books when there was source material.
I think I agree with you, but in fairness, it would be hard for a new spin-off to match the cast of characters in the first few seasons of GOT. Characters like Tyrian, Little Finger, and Daenerys were awesome and can't easily be replicated. None of the new characters in HOTD reached those highs in S1 IMO.Guess I'm glad the new season is out, but is it just me, or are none of the characters really that compelling?
And then pounds a corona while brooding at the camera and saying “we’re a family”it could use some straight up muscle cars too can you even imagine how awesome it would be to see some guys under attack from a dragon and then out of nowhere a 67 charger comes rocketing in to pick up the damon and then he chops the evil dragons head off out the passenger window while looking glass brandy pumps out of an 8 track in the charger that would be must watch tv take that to the bank bromigos
??????Lol. I don't hop out of bed with my wife at 10 pm to come in here to see what you nerds thought. With the amount of pure crap available on TV it's wild to me that anyone would trash these series. Even GoT was better than just about everything else at the end. I guess saying "I bailed on GoT when it got stupid" is cool?No posts in here after the premier kinda sums up how badly those 2 idiots destroyed this franchise. Its honestly kinda funny how almost nobody wants to get invested.
Thought it was good-ish. Some decent setup for what I'm sure is to come. Clearly the budget is there. I like some of the characters but there's nobody close to the level of the early GOT's seasons. They're all just lesser and less charismatic versions. Alcock had potential to grow into the something but she's obviously gone now. Smith is pretty good as Daemon and Aemond is solid but nobody else has "it".
We are a truly entitled generation of people. The scope of these two shows is nothing short of incredible.
GOT did actually get stupid. I'm not the only person who felt that way. That particular opinion seems to be shared by literally everybody living on this planet except for you. Which is fine -- art is subjective, and if you liked what they did with the last couple of seasons, wonderful. There's a bunch of Star Wars and Marvel content out there just waiting for you, and part of me envies you for that.
It's fine to hold contrarian views about various franchises, but there's something very weird about storming in and stamping your feet in anger when somebody casually mentions that they tapped out of a show that was universally-panned during the end of its run. Get out of your little bubble.
Like I posted in the other thread, it got more and more on D&Ds back with the writing as it went on, and they had less and less of his actual dialogue and source material to work with. They seemed to be able to find great talent to direct the episodes and to do the score and design title sequences, but for some reason they didn't do the same for the writing.my understanding is he wasn't involved heavily, more getting credits for source material and providing a basic outline.Martin was a producer and writer on the show. Don't you think he had some say in the way the story turned out?On the plus side, these books are complete.The Reddit thread has tens of thousands of posts. More of an indictment on the activity on this board. This is the most popular show that could debut on tv this year, blaming B&B for anything around it is just bitterness.No posts in here after the premier kinda sums up how badly those 2 idiots destroyed this franchise. Its honestly kinda funny how almost nobody wants to get invested.
Really? The end of Thrones 100% plays a role in my lack of anticipation here. I will eventually watch, but I don’t have any motivation to make it must see.
And I re-watched seasons 1-4 probably 3x and season 5 twice. But I never rewatched anything after that. To say they didn’t fumble a franchise is disingenuous.
Looking forward to Dunk and Egg, but that will be an anthology too.
But the books are much more of a higher level summary of the key events in the war than a full narrative, so the show has done the majority of the character development and interactions among the characters on their own anyway.
Even in Season 5 they got away from the books and had people in different places with different people, so they weren't always even going by the books when there was source material.Up until the fourth season, Martin wrote one episode for each season. In 2022, Martin said that he had been estranged from the show during the production process of the last 4 seasons (starting with season 5).[87] In the early seasons, Martin wrote and read scripts, consulted on casting decisions and visited sets. Over time, however, he stepped back to focus on his long-delayed next "Thrones" novel, The Winds of Winter.[87]
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They punted on it for sure.Feel like HBO really booted that last scene. It was kind of a meh moment when it was supposed to be one of the most anticipated scenes in the series. Like Red Wedding level omg.
Feel like HBO really booted that last scene. It was kind of a meh moment when it was supposed to be one of the most anticipated scenes in the series. Like Red Wedding level omg.
Feel like HBO really booted that last scene. It was kind of a meh moment when it was supposed to be one of the most anticipated scenes in the series. Like Red Wedding level omg.

When they said son for a son earlier, it was obvious as soon as they went in whatever the heck her name is’ room after Aemond wasn’t in his room.Feel like HBO really booted that last scene. It was kind of a meh moment when it was supposed to be one of the most anticipated scenes in the series. Like Red Wedding level omg.
I didn't know it was coming and it was pretty shocking to me.
Kind of like the kid Aeomond killed. Meh, who cares.Feel like HBO really booted that last scene. It was kind of a meh moment when it was supposed to be one of the most anticipated scenes in the series. Like Red Wedding level omg.
Agreed. I really wish I cared about the characters in this show. If they die or some sort of traumatic event occurs, I'm like oh well![]()
This episode was so bleak it reminded me of season 5 of GOT, which was the closest I ever got to abandoning that show. I don't have 1% of the investment in this show that I did in Thrones. I'll probably unenthusiastically watch the next few episodes to see if I continue on with it or not.For me, the characters aren't close to GOT as there is hardly any likable ones to root for. And there is a lack of any Tyrion type of fun or humor, just seemingly miserable people.Yeah, the characters aren’t as good as GOTs.I liked it, cool ending, things are escalating nicely. Still missing any Tyrian level characters IMO but will genuinely be looking forward to each episode.
I'm not expecting comedy but this series is so dark compared to GOT. There are some good scenes and effects but that seems to be about it. I'll try a couple more episodes to see if it takes a different turn.
It seems like others are enjoying it a lot more than me.
My wife (who follows the show online more than I do) mentioned there was way more negative reaction to the kicking of the dog than to the head-sawing-off of the baby boy.When they said son for a son earlier, it was obvious as soon as they went in whatever the heck her name is’ room after Aemond wasn’t in his room.Feel like HBO really booted that last scene. It was kind of a meh moment when it was supposed to be one of the most anticipated scenes in the series. Like Red Wedding level omg.
I didn't know it was coming and it was pretty shocking to me.
As posted above, since Aegon’s sister/wife is one of many who cares characters, the killing of her son didn’t have the wow factor. I think the sawing sound that I think I remember hearing was the creepiest part of it.
My wife (who follows the show online more than I do) mentioned there was way more negative reaction to the kicking of the dog than to the head-sawing-off of the baby boy.When they said son for a son earlier, it was obvious as soon as they went in whatever the heck her name is’ room after Aemond wasn’t in his room.Feel like HBO really booted that last scene. It was kind of a meh moment when it was supposed to be one of the most anticipated scenes in the series. Like Red Wedding level omg.
I didn't know it was coming and it was pretty shocking to me.
As posted above, since Aegon’s sister/wife is one of many who cares characters, the killing of her son didn’t have the wow factor. I think the sawing sound that I think I remember hearing was the creepiest part of it.
We just finished it. My wife found it very upsetting.Feel like HBO really booted that last scene. It was kind of a meh moment when it was supposed to be one of the most anticipated scenes in the series. Like Red Wedding level omg.
I didn't know it was coming and it was pretty shocking to me.
enjoyed it
but i do agree with others the show is missing humor and characters to root for. maybe its that way on purpose? either way it seems to me unless those things change this show is gonna have problems going another few seasons.
You didn’t laugh when Ser Criston was going diving and then Alicent says, “Never Again,” because I knew that wasn’t true and then it’s a cowgirl party after the baby gets whacked? I certainly laughed.enjoyed it
but i do agree with others the show is missing humor and characters to root for. maybe its that way on purpose? either way it seems to me unless those things change this show is gonna have problems going another few seasons.
They were both awesome in season one. There’s only been one episode.enjoyed it
but i do agree with others the show is missing humor and characters to root for. maybe its that way on purpose? either way it seems to me unless those things change this show is gonna have problems going another few seasons.
Aemond and Daemon could be such a badass characters, but the writers just don't seem like they'll be able to get them where they need to go. Daemon has been turned into a bore or a character.
Kind of like the kid Aeomond killed. Meh, who cares.Feel like HBO really booted that last scene. It was kind of a meh moment when it was supposed to be one of the most anticipated scenes in the series. Like Red Wedding level omg.
Agreed. I really wish I cared about the characters in this show. If they die or some sort of traumatic event occurs, I'm like oh well![]()

Same.I love this show....guess I'm in the minority.