House of the dragon. Game on! (1 Viewer)

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Ways off I know but next season is going to be incredible. We already know most of these dragons aren’t going to survive. It’s going to be a legit battle royale.

Oh the humanity !

 

[Chris B.]

Well, hold on now. The women folk will talk this out and avoid further bloodshed.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Why does raynyerus(sp?) have brown eyebrows. Lazy

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Finally, Dragon Tryouts adding some excitement.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Finally, Dragon Tryouts adding some excitement.

I wanted ulf to get eaten

 

[jhib]

I was wondering if it's just me and a function of my forgetting what GOT was actually like, but weren't there more scenes that were at least a little less... formal? I think all the characters in this just come off a little flat to me, with the same expressions in every scene and the same manner of speaking to everyone they talk to, no matter their relationship.

 

[zoobird]

I was wondering if it's just me and a function of my forgetting what GOT was actually like, but weren't there more scenes that were at least a little less... formal? I think all the characters in this just come off a little flat to me, with the same expressions in every scene and the same manner of speaking to everyone they talk to, no matter their relationship.

That's definitely the biggest problem with this show. So many characters, so little charm. GoT had tons of really likable (or at least, charming) characters. HotD does not.

 

[Desert_Power]

Lots of leaks out there for the final episode yet again.

 

[thecatch]

Why does raynyerus(sp?) have brown eyebrows. Lazy

If she'd just explained to her kids that targaryens aren't natural blondes and dye their hair, it seems like a lot of drama in season 1 could have been avoided.

 

[Capella]

well they broke the streak of the episode before the finale being the most action packed. that was fairly boring. hoping for a nice finish

I thought it was a good episode. The Harrenhal scene with the newly crowned Oscar as well as the opening scene with Rheanyrah and Adam of the Hull were particularly great watches.

I generally judge the episode by whether I fall asleep, start scrolling through my phone, or find myself checking how much time is left because I'm bored and none of that happened watching this episode.

Agreed it is a rare penultimate GoT episode where no action happened, but it was still good and moved the plot.

I think we have different definitions of "action". The Vermithor and Silverwing stuff was action packed IMO

I think some people just want the dragons to fight every week.

 

[jamny]

I haven't watched since like the 2nd or 3rd episode but all the dragon fight talk being the highlight makes me not want to revisit it. Dragon fights are cool and all but not the main reason to watch a show like this, imo.

 

[TLEF316]

I haven't watched since like the 2nd or 3rd episode but all the dragon fight talk being the highlight makes me not want to revisit it. Dragon fights are cool and all but not the main reason to watch a show like this, imo.

Agreed. However, I think this goes hand in hand with the lack of character strength. The early seasons of GOT's (which didn't show nearly as many battles or other large set pieces) were great because it had so many well written and interesting characters doing interesting things. You had simple scenes that were just conversations between 2 characters that were incredibly fun to watch and provided important backstory.....

- King Robert and Ned Stark just sitting around having a picnic and discussing how he killed Rhaegar
- Jon Snow and Tyrion's "why do you read so much" conversation on the way to the wall
- Jon and Maester Aemon's conversation after Rob calls the northern banners (Where Aemon reveals that he's a Targ)
-Jamie and Tywin discussing the start of the war while Tywin skins a deer.

All these scenes are just 2 people talking. But they're all awesome because you care about the characters. HOTD just doesn't have the same appeal (the characters simply aren't as good and the time jumps have eliminated a lot of the need for back-story convos....as we actually saw the events happen)......so the appeal of the show relies more heavily on set pieces.

Its good in its own way, but its a different kind of show.....and nowhere nearly early season GOT's IMO. Its a solid 6 to 7.5/10 most weeks, but many early GOT's eps were far better.

 

[SWC]

I haven't watched since like the 2nd or 3rd episode but all the dragon fight talk being the highlight makes me not want to revisit it. Dragon fights are cool and all but not the main reason to watch a show like this, imo.

in fairness most of the dragon talk really has its roots in the politics and people around the dragons take that to the bank bromigo

 

[fruity pebbles]

I haven't watched since like the 2nd or 3rd episode but all the dragon fight talk being the highlight makes me not want to revisit it. Dragon fights are cool and all but not the main reason to watch a show like this, imo.

Agreed. However, I think this goes hand in hand with the lack of character strength. The early seasons of GOT's (which didn't show nearly as many battles or other large set pieces) because it had some many well written and interesting characters doing interesting things. You had simple scenes that were just conversations between 2 characters that were incredibly fun to watch and provided important backstory.....

- King Robert and Ned Stark just sitting around having a picnic and discussing how he killed Rhaegar
- Jon Snow and Tyrion's "why do you read so much" conversation on the way to the wall
- Jon and Maester Aemon's conversation after Rob calls the northern banners (Where Aemon reveals that he's a Targ)
-Jamie and Tywin discussing the start of the war while Tywin skins a deer.

All these scenes are just 2 people talking. But they're all awesome because you care about the characters. HOTD just doesn't have the same appeal (the characters simply aren't as good and the time jumps have eliminated a lot of the need for back-story convos....as we actually saw the events happen)......so the appeal of the show relies more heavily on set pieces.

Its good in its own way, but its a different kind of show.....and nowhere nearly early season GOT's IMO. Its a solid 6 to 7.5/10 most weeks, but many early GOT's eps were far better.

No, it’s definitely not season 1-4 GOT but nothing is. I’d put it inline with season 5-6 imo.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I haven't watched since like the 2nd or 3rd episode but all the dragon fight talk being the highlight makes me not want to revisit it. Dragon fights are cool and all but not the main reason to watch a show like this, imo.

Agreed. However, I think this goes hand in hand with the lack of character strength. The early seasons of GOT's (which didn't show nearly as many battles or other large set pieces) because it had some many well written and interesting characters doing interesting things. You had simple scenes that were just conversations between 2 characters that were incredibly fun to watch and provided important backstory.....

- King Robert and Ned Stark just sitting around having a picnic and discussing how he killed Rhaegar
- Jon Snow and Tyrion's "why do you read so much" conversation on the way to the wall
- Jon and Maester Aemon's conversation after Rob calls the northern banners (Where Aemon reveals that he's a Targ)
-Jamie and Tywin discussing the start of the war while Tywin skins a deer.

All these scenes are just 2 people talking. But they're all awesome because you care about the characters. HOTD just doesn't have the same appeal (the characters simply aren't as good and the time jumps have eliminated a lot of the need for back-story convos....as we actually saw the events happen)......so the appeal of the show relies more heavily on set pieces.

It’s good in its own way, but its a different kind of show.....and nowhere nearly early season GOT's IMO. It’s a solid 6 to 7.5/10 most weeks, but many early GOT's eps were far better.

Most of The characters are garbage. Every targ is forgettable the boat people are all meh. Maybe milli vanilli and his bald blond brother will evolve. Ulf is supposed to be relatable or something. Viking guy has potential. Old guy at harenhall is pretty funny. The Tully kid is great.

ETA. And yet, here I am. I did fall asleep 3 times and it took me 3 days to watch the last episode.

 

[zoonation]

the show isn't on the level of GOT 1-4. Not even close really. However, I would literally watch paint dry in this universe. And the dragons are awesome. From a production standpoint it is incredible.

It really is s shame that the budget and incredible story telling were never quite running parallel. Early GOT didn't have the production budget but had the story. The later seasons of GOT had incredible production but no story to work with. They never were both firing on all cylinders at the same time.

 

[BeTheMatch]

When people died in GOT, especially early on, it was shocking. Couldn't believe they killed these huge characters. Obviously you grew to expect it over the years, but it still had a wow factor.

In this newest installation, it's a combination of them not killing people off at all or us not giving a crap about any of the ones they do kill.

I enjoy the show, but there just isn't that same investment in any of these characters, at least to me.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Sounds like a lot happens in this final episode……buckle up

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Why does raynyerus(sp?) have brown eyebrows. Lazy

Same with Emilia Clarke as Danny T

 

[Hot Diggity Dog]

When people died in GOT, especially early on, it was shocking. Couldn't believe they killed these huge characters. Obviously you grew to expect it over the years, but it still had a wow factor.

In this newest installation, it's a combination of them not killing people off at all or us not giving a crap about any of the ones they do kill.

I enjoy the show, but there just isn't that same investment in any of these characters, at least to me.

This will probably change NEXT season.

 

[Grahamburn]

Why does raynyerus(sp?) have brown eyebrows. Lazy

Same with Emilia Clarke as Danny T

You were looking at her eyebrows?

 

[Zow]

When people died in GOT, especially early on, it was shocking. Couldn't believe they killed these huge characters. Obviously you grew to expect it over the years, but it still had a wow factor.

In this newest installation, it's a combination of them not killing people off at all or us not giving a crap about any of the ones they do kill.

I enjoy the show, but there just isn't that same investment in any of these characters, at least to me.

To defend the showrunners a bit, my understanding from the Talk the Thrones podcast on The Ringer is that "House of the Dragon" is based on a book Martin wrote that was written almost like a historical accounting like seen in the Bible or in the Mormon Bible. In other words, and in contrast to the GoT original show where it was based on lengthy, well-written and fleshed out novels by Martin, their trying to create an entertaining show from a very straightforward account of lineage and history.

In short, my understanding is that House of the Dragon is written from a novel where it's like "So and so knew each other and begat so and so. Then this happened. Etc." So basically Martin never gave these characters any real depth or backstory.

 

[jhib]

When people died in GOT, especially early on, it was shocking. Couldn't believe they killed these huge characters. Obviously you grew to expect it over the years, but it still had a wow factor.

In this newest installation, it's a combination of them not killing people off at all or us not giving a crap about any of the ones they do kill.

I enjoy the show, but there just isn't that same investment in any of these characters, at least to me.

To defend the showrunners a bit, my understanding from the Talk the Thrones podcast on The Ringer is that "House of the Dragon" is based on a book Martin wrote that was written almost like a historical accounting like seen in the Bible or in the Mormon Bible. In other words, and in contrast to the GoT original show where it was based on lengthy, well-written and fleshed out novels by Martin, their trying to create an entertaining show from a very straightforward account of lineage and history.

In short, my understanding is that House of the Dragon is written from a novel where it's like "So and so knew each other and begat so and so. Then this happened. Etc." So basically Martin never gave these characters any real depth or backstory.

That does make sense, and it was basically what I assumed. But they could at least put a little effort into making them human with the occasional conversation where they let their guard down for a second with someone they have an actual human relationship with. Then you feel a bit more for both the ones who die and the survivors. I guess it seemed like they did try at least a little bit with the sea snake and the kamikaze princess, but just didn't do it very well, IMO. Most of the rest seem about as human as the dragons.

(I do like the show, of course... just think it could pretty easily be better in this regard)

 

[Desert_Power]

When people died in GOT, especially early on, it was shocking. Couldn't believe they killed these huge characters. Obviously you grew to expect it over the years, but it still had a wow factor.

In this newest installation, it's a combination of them not killing people off at all or us not giving a crap about any of the ones they do kill.

I enjoy the show, but there just isn't that same investment in any of these characters, at least to me.

To defend the showrunners a bit, my understanding from the Talk the Thrones podcast on The Ringer is that "House of the Dragon" is based on a book Martin wrote that was written almost like a historical accounting like seen in the Bible or in the Mormon Bible. In other words, and in contrast to the GoT original show where it was based on lengthy, well-written and fleshed out novels by Martin, their trying to create an entertaining show from a very straightforward account of lineage and history.

In short, my understanding is that House of the Dragon is written from a novel where it's like "So and so knew each other and begat so and so. Then this happened. Etc." So basically Martin never gave these characters any real depth or backstory.

Nor does he seem particularly interested in helping out the show. Dude is just cashing massive checks to not finish his books.

 

[beer 30]

Dude is just cashing massive checks to not finish his books.

That's become his MO, that and teasing his books every 6 months or so. **** him

 

[Grahamburn]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

 

[beer 30]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

I'm pretty fair when it comes to authors & their writing pace. This guy has no intention of finishing this series and as an invested reader of the series it pisses me off so yea, I feel like I can say that. He has my money from the books, he has my money from subscribing to HBO to watch his series. I look at him and you can just know, he's never finishing these books and it pisses me off because it's just lazy. The first book came out in 1996, then 1998, then 2000. Fourth book was in 2005 then the last book written was in 2011. There are two more books planned for the series, c'mon! Sorry not sorry for my opinion, finish what you started George.

 

[foxco]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

I feel guilty for feeling this way but I gotta admit I kinda do. C'mon GRRM, put a couple extra minutes a day in!

 

[stbugs]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

I'm pretty fair when it comes to authors & their writing pace. This guy has no intention of finishing this series and as an invested reader of the series it pisses me off so yea, I feel like I can say that. He has my money from the books, he has my money from subscribing to HBO to watch his series. I look at him and you can just know, he's never finishing these books and it pisses me off because it's just lazy. The first book came out in 1996, then 1998, then 2000. Fourth book was in 2005 then the last book written was in 2011. There are two more books planned for the series, c'mon! Sorry not sorry for my opinion, finish what you started George.

As a non book reader, objectively, it doesn’t appear to me that he’ll ever finish 1 book, let alone 2. I think you’d almost have to have someone else take over.

You almost have to wonder if he even knows/remembers what he wanted to do in the last 1 or 2 books. Putting out a book every two years to every 5-6 year to still waiting for something to finish after 13 years and it’s not done.

 

[Desert_Power]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

I'm pretty fair when it comes to authors & their writing pace. This guy has no intention of finishing this series and as an invested reader of the series it pisses me off so yea, I feel like I can say that. He has my money from the books, he has my money from subscribing to HBO to watch his series. I look at him and you can just know, he's never finishing these books and it pisses me off because it's just lazy. The first book came out in 1996, then 1998, then 2000. Fourth book was in 2005 then the last book written was in 2011. There are two more books planned for the series, c'mon! Sorry not sorry for my opinion, finish what you started George.

As a non book reader, objectively, it doesn’t appear to me that he’ll ever finish 1 book, let alone 2. I think you’d almost have to have someone else take over.

You almost have to wonder if he even knows/remembers what he wanted to do in the last 1 or 2 books. Putting out a book every two years to every 5-6 year to still waiting for something to finish after 13 years and it’s not done.

Well, he keeps distracting himself with things like side books, TV shows, and now a play. Like just finish the main thing.

 

[Zow]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

I say we kidnap him and bind his legs until he finishes the book on the typewriter we provide.

 

[El Floppo]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

I say we kidnap him and bind his legs until he finishes the book on the typewriter we provide.

You'd have to hobble him first in case he tries to get away.

Otoh... I've seen pics - I don't thinks he's gonna get away.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

I feel guilty for feeling this way but I gotta admit I kinda do. C'mon GRRM, put a couple extra minutes a day in!

I loved reading through the first three books about 20 or so years ago, then had a short wait for the 4th book which was fine. The wait for Dance w/Dragons seemed ridiculous but I enjoyed it. At this point however I really don't care, and its in large part due to the television series. The stories will surely differ and I enjoy Martin's writing but we know the outcome of most of these characters and events and its hard to put the time in reading about guys like Stannis, Bran, Jon, Tyrion, Brienne, Danny, Arya, Jamie, Cersei, etc who we know either die or have long roads ahead which we've already seen.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

I say we kidnap him and bind his legs until he finishes the book on the typewriter we provide.

You'd have to hobble him first in case he tries to get away.

Otoh... I've seen pics - I don't thinks he's gonna get away.

I’d take Lord Larys in a foot race

 

[Zow]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

I say we kidnap him and bind his legs until he finishes the book on the typewriter we provide.

You'd have to hobble him first in case he tries to get away.

Otoh... I've seen pics - I don't thinks he's gonna get away.

Yes, let's put a piece of wood between his legs and take a hammer to them.

 

[beer 30]

You almost have to wonder if he even knows/remembers what he wanted to do in the last 1 or 2 books.

He's told anyone that would ask he knows how he wants it to end (and spoiler alert, it's different than the show) but takes a sort of meandering way of writing to get to where he wants to go. He kinda starts at the end and then writes to get there. I don't understand it but he ain't finishing the series either just because or because his picture of health self breaks down and he bites it.

I say we kidnap him and bind his legs until he finishes the book on the typewriter we provide.

Easy Kathy, nobody is advocating for that.

 

[Grahamburn]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

I say we kidnap him and bind his legs until he finishes the book on the typewriter we provide.

Electrocute his balls every time he takes a break!

 

[Zow]

I say we kidnap him and bind his legs until he finishes the book on the typewriter we provide.

Easy Kathy, nobody is advocating for that.

Somebody gets it!

 

[Insomniac]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

I'm pretty fair when it comes to authors & their writing pace. This guy has no intention of finishing this series and as an invested reader of the series it pisses me off so yea, I feel like I can say that. He has my money from the books, he has my money from subscribing to HBO to watch his series. I look at him and you can just know, he's never finishing these books and it pisses me off because it's just lazy. The first book came out in 1996, then 1998, then 2000. Fourth book was in 2005 then the last book written was in 2011. There are two more books planned for the series, c'mon! Sorry not sorry for my opinion, finish what you started George.

As a non book reader, objectively, it doesn’t appear to me that he’ll ever finish 1 book, let alone 2. I think you’d almost have to have someone else take over.

You almost have to wonder if he even knows/remembers what he wanted to do in the last 1 or 2 books. Putting out a book every two years to every 5-6 year to still waiting for something to finish after 13 years and it’s not done.

Well, he keeps distracting himself with things like side books, TV shows, and now a play. Like just finish the main thing.

He should finish the first series, but after the TV series no matter how he finishes just about everyone will complain. Personally I don't blame the guy for concentrating on the TV series and side projects that paid him a lot of $ rather than finishing a series that's not going to make him as much and has no chance of getting a good reaction. (BTW I bought the 1st book when it came out and all the others ) I didn't have HBO when the series started but lots of my co-workers who didn't have the books were raving about the first season. I didn't have the heart to tell them Ned was going to get killed. ( I lso wondered if they would actually follow the book. Not too many series kill the main character in Season 1.

Who knows, he may do it like the Wheel of Time author. After he dies they pay someone else to finish the series.

 

[beer 30]

Personally I don't blame the guy for concentrating on the TV series

I have no problem with that either but don't let the show run out of material when you know how you want it to end, write some 3 or 4 page ******** outline on how to get there and say good luck showrunner, I'm peace out on the final two seasons. Sorry, I get worked up when GRRM comes up, not directed at you.

And 100% someone else will finish the series. And I'll happily buy the books and invest more time but I won't ever speak well of George again.

 

[Zow]

Personally I don't blame the guy for concentrating on the TV series

I have no problem with that either but don't let the show run out of material when you know how you want it to end, write some 3 or 4 page ******** outline on how to get there and say good luck showrunner, I'm peace out on the final two seasons. Sorry, I get worked up when GRRM comes up, not directed at you.

And 100% someone else will finish the series. And I'll happily buy the books and invest more time but I won't ever speak well of George again.

I mean, do we know that Martin didn't just say, "eh, let's forget all prophecies and kill some character off then make Bran the king for now good reason"?

 

[Zow]

Give me your art and if you don’t do it on my timeline go eff yourself! Lulz. That’s rich.

Our entitlement knows no bounds.

I say we kidnap him and bind his legs until he finishes the book on the typewriter we provide.

Electrocute his balls every time he takes a break!

No, no…

Can somebody put this guy out of his Misery for not getting the reference?

 

[jhib]

Dude is just cashing massive checks to not finish his books.

That's become his MO, that and teasing his books every 6 months or so. **** him

He's just another lying ol' dirty birdy.

 

[Hawks64]

Personally I don't blame the guy for concentrating on the TV series

I have no problem with that either but don't let the show run out of material when you know how you want it to end, write some 3 or 4 page ******** outline on how to get there and say good luck showrunner, I'm peace out on the final two seasons. Sorry, I get worked up when GRRM comes up, not directed at you.

And 100% someone else will finish the series. And I'll happily buy the books and invest more time but I won't ever speak well of George again.

I'd be very interested to see how much time he put into Elden Ring as he wrote all the lore and story for the game....instead of concentrating on his works.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I was wondering if it's just me and a function of my forgetting what GOT was actually like, but weren't there more scenes that were at least a little less... formal? I think all the characters in this just come off a little flat to me, with the same expressions in every scene and the same manner of speaking to everyone they talk to, no matter their relationship.

That's definitely the biggest problem with this show. So many characters, so little charm. GoT had tons of really likable (or at least, charming) characters. HotD does not.

Most of the show is spent council meetings where everything is formal. In GOT, they rarely spent any time showing the council meetings.

Also, there isn't an anti-formal high level character like Tyrion in this show. 90% of the informality came from him because he just didn't give a crap.

Final thing to note is that HOTD is set 200 years before GOT. Think about how much formality changes over time. What do you think things were like in 1824, compared to today.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I haven't watched since like the 2nd or 3rd episode but all the dragon fight talk being the highlight makes me not want to revisit it. Dragon fights are cool and all but not the main reason to watch a show like this, imo.

What do you watch for? The BJ in the whorehouse?

 

[BeTheMatch]

I was wondering if it's just me and a function of my forgetting what GOT was actually like, but weren't there more scenes that were at least a little less... formal? I think all the characters in this just come off a little flat to me, with the same expressions in every scene and the same manner of speaking to everyone they talk to, no matter their relationship.

That's definitely the biggest problem with this show. So many characters, so little charm. GoT had tons of really likable (or at least, charming) characters. HotD does not.

Most of the show is spent council meetings where everything is formal. In GOT, they rarely spent any time showing the council meetings.

Also, there isn't an anti-formal high level character like Tyrion in this show. 90% of the informality came from him because he just didn't give a crap.

Final thing to note is that HOTD is set 200 years before GOT. Think about how much formality changes over time. What do you think things were like in 1824, compared to today.

Oh, so they're trying to keep it historically accurate? Like with all the dragons.

 

[Todem]

We are on Season 5 of our first rewatch of GOT.

Nothing will ever be better than Seasons 1-4 on GOT.

Nothing. But we are enjoying HOTD well enough. It’s good. Not great.

 

[eoMMan]

Omfg. Is that really how they ended this season?

 

[TLEF316]

My goodness was that ever boring.

I know this set all the pieces up for the war (and I believe the final season) but you can't have that big a snoozer and then nothing for 2 years. Woof