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House Republicans Vote to Hobble Independent Ethics Office (1 Viewer)
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
You don't know about the treehouse threads? Cmon now there has to be a few. Im always last to know around here.
bueno
In a class by himself
The vote was yesterday, In a caucus. Never made it out of caucus to the floor. Wouldn't have had a chance if it did.
Having said that, it would seem that someone should have oversight over independent investigators. Anyone remember Ken Starr?
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Correct, the House Republicans held a caucus vote yesterday, with an outcome of 119-74. 48 Republicans either didn't show or didn't vote. It's understandable as yesterday was a federal holiday and some airports had tons of delays
Dickies
Footballguy
Why would the outgoing Representatives try to push this through? Glad it got killed, but something seems fishy to me.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Actually, it did make it out of caucus as the vote total demonstrates, but it was pulled from a rules package schedule for today by a meeting of Republicans earlier this morning.
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We will see this issue in the House again.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Agreed. I'm all for criticizing Trump, but he handled this one particular issue better than I would have expected. More specifically, he definitely handled it better than a majority of House Republicans.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It's so weird, I don't know how long it will go on (maybe 4 years?) but right now the favorite progression for Trumpites is:- Awful thing is reported.
- Trump tweets that thing is awful and 'Will not happen!'
- Thing doesn't happen.
- Trumpites claim Trump stopped awful thing from happening like Superman stopping a speeding bullet with his bare hand.
bigbottom
Footballguy
I'm the furthest thing from a Trumpite, but if you think that Trump's tweet was meaningless with respect to either his millions of followers who may have been among the complaining constituents, or the Republican reps bucking House leadership, I think you're being willfully blind.
- Awful thing is reported.
- Trump tweets that thing is awful and 'Will not happen!'
- Thing doesn't happen.
- Trumpites claim Trump stopped awful thing from happening like Superman stopping a speeding bullet with his bare hand.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
So...no.FreeBaGeL said:
Dedfin
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I disagree? Trump takes credit for lots of stuff and he never said he would oppose it, fight it or defeat it, his tweet just says there are other priorities. If Trump had never tweeted on this it would have failed nonetheless, the GOP has been flooded with constituent messages on this.
More partisan BS. I will repeat for the 20th time this thread. This was not a partisan issue. People on both sides opposed this. It was a really stupid thing for the GOP congress to try to pull off. The media, all types of voters, and even Trump all played a role in shutting this down. It is stupid to insist on blaming GOP voters or now FBG Republicans. No one in this thread remotely ever supported this. All the spinning and taking things out of context is ridiculous.
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Trump was not the deciding factor. Trump is an egomaniac and will take credit for everything that is good.. Not too much different than what we had to endure for the last 8 years. An overabundant ego is not a good quality in a President and ends up being divisive instead of unifying.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Give me a break. The first two pages of this thread are Max saying that this is just a bunch of people complaining about nothing.
Even the Republicans that said they don't approve of this were more of a "I'm not really a huge fan of this but <insert deflection to thing they don't like about democrats>".
Who is more likely to have contacted their congressman about this? The person saying "Obviously this isn't ideal but *shrug*, it's not really a huge deal", or the person saying "this is a travesty and we have to do whatever we can to make sure this doesn't happen"? Because Republicans in here have all been the former, and everyone saying the latter was a democrat.
You don't have to be standing on your couch shouting "yippee" to not care about this enough to bother contacting your congressmen about this. The best we can say about Republican reaction to this in this thread is tempered doubt. Certainly none of the all out disgust that would lead to actually doing something about it, so it would seem pretty obvious where the supreme pushback came from, as was later at least somewhat verified by the Republican congressman who tweeted out exactly where it came from.
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Sorry, but your only complaint is against Max and yet you characterize that as FBG Republicans. I wish people would stop the generalizations and guilt by association and focus the criticism on specifics instead of demonizing an entire group.
bueno
In a class by himself
Let's remember that it was a minority of all Republican Representatives that tried to pull this off. Not the GOP congress.
bueno
In a class by himself
massraider
Footballguy
I truly can't believe you are a teacher.
You should be embarrassed and ashamed because of the ridiculous post I quoted, I didn't say anything about your job.
The house Republicans attempting to remove any kind of oversight at all is a pretty bipartisan issue, it stinks all the way around. They have since backed off, as the rest of the country sees it the same way I do.
To come in to the thread, and dismiss this story, with some weird and laughable vague promise of even bigger tales of corruption is why you should be embarrassed.
As always, you type things up that you think sound good, but simply are not true.
Go on, dazzle us. Make my "hair stand up on end." Drop some knowledge.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
And let's remember that it was a GOP caucus amendment (maybe including GOP members, as you have suggested, that were ousted) to the rules for the 115th Congress that was voted in secret, unannounced, on a federal holiday before Freshman members were sworn and then removed from the rules change by another secret vote (voice vote) before Freshman were sworn.
It all makes sense now. Thanks for pointing out that the caucus vote included Republican losers leaving. Instead of leaving quietly, they had one more FU vote.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
No, my point was only that people who are likely to care about this enough to take action are the ones who are heavily against it, not the ones that are sitting around deflecting the conversation to something else and just kind of saying as an aside "yeah I'm not really in favor of this either, but.....". And the Republicans in this thread, yourself included, are only in the latter category. And again, this was at least somewhat validated as one of the Republican congressmen involved came out and said that the vast majority of the pressure against this came from the left.
ETA: To be clear, I'm not saying that you or anyone else (except maybe Max or MoP) are defending this, just that Republicans in here as a whole are pretty "meh" about the whole thing in the context of tthe assertion that they, and not the democrats who are screaming about injustice at the top of their lungs, are the ones that took the time to contact their congressmen about it is a pretty major reach.
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So speculation based on your bias. For the record, I thought it was a terrible move and stated so. I was not deflecting in anyway, just upset at blanket characterization made at the time by Roadkill and now by you to a lesser degree. I can see there being many many Republican voters upset by this action as it spends political capital on an issue protecting their butts instead of doing what they were elected for. There is no reason in my mind why the number of callers #####ing to their representatives would not be fairly split down the Middle between Dems and Repubs.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
OCE investigations
111th Congress: House controlled by Dems 255-179. 9 OCE investigations referred to Committee on Standards of Official Conduct of the United States House of Representatives; 6 Dems and 3 Reps.
112th Congress: House controlled by Reps 242-193. 10 OCE investigations referred to Committee on Standards of Official Conduct of the United States House of Representatives; 6 Dems and 4 Reps.
113th Congress: House controlled by Reps 234-201. 10 OCE investigations referred to Committee on Standards of Official Conduct of the United States House of Representatives; 7 Reps and 3 Dems
114th Congress: House controlled by Reps 247-188. 10 OCE investigations referred to Committee on Standards of Official Conduct of the United States House of Representatives; 6 Reps and 4 Dems.
WITCH HUNT!!!!!!!
Statorama
Footballguy
Reading is a skill. I didn't refer to this governmental body specifically. A variety of things like the insane John Doe investigations in Wisconsin were mentioned in this thread.
In fact, I applaud the House Ethics Committee's fine work with the ethics violations of Charles Rangel.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Yeah, that is what @Mario Kart and @Bruce Dickinson conveniently left out of their rants as they slammed Walker and WI. The GAB (Government Accountability Board) that was replaced by Walker and the Republicans was anything but "non-partisan".
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adonis
Footballguy
When a government body tasked with mopping floors becomes a ring of international hot supermodels waxing floors in Bikini's, that body should be admired.
You take it for granted that the government body has become a vehicle to conduct partisan political witch hunts.
Statorama
Footballguy
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Oh, gee, let me apologize. You didn't quote any comment or specific post, you suggested that ANY and ALL ethics investigations are partisan in a thread dedicated to one specific topic.
I read well. I wish the same for you, but your history of posts suggest that isn't going to happen anytime soon.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
The black caucus now just equals Dems to the extent that this just tried to go thru in a behind closed doors vote by republicans?
Pretty big reach there.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Did their objection make it to the House schedule for a vote? Please remember that a caucus vote of republicans made it to the floor before the republicans held another vote to remove the threat. Also, too...republicans in charge tried to defund the OCE while they held control of the House.
I truly love the obtuse nature of reactionaries.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Right, 'cause the Conservatives tried to pull a new rabbit out of its hat to hinder the democrats who had the White House. Now that the setting has changed they want to undo it.
Are you that blind not to see the complete political ploy? Its like what they were doing in North Carolina. Evil.
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MaxThreshold
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Yes. Evil.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
The OCE should be reformed. No doubt.
But it should be done in a public manner, preferably with bipartisan support. Doing this behind closed doors on the last day of the session (without support of your own party) was a very bad move. Even Donald Trump understands that.
sho nuff
Footballguy
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/07/us-ethics-office-struggled-to-gain-access-to-trump-team-emails-show.html
Ethics aren't a concern...amiright?
Ethics aren't a concern...amiright?
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quickhands
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Correct...and it's unsupported speculation to credit Trump with killing the OP when several legislators claimed it was the avalanche of calls they received. Probably more meaningful than his tweet that only questioned the timing of the thing.
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