House Republicans Vote to Hobble Independent Ethics Office (1 Viewer)

[adonis]

Do we have a list of who voted for it?  I'd like to send a letter to my congressman if he was one.

Thought i read it was by secret ballot among the GOP caucus

I have it from a very high placed insider that this was playing in the background while the vote was taking place.

 

[The Commish]

Damn GOP....when Trump is questioning you, I think the only thing you CAN do is stop dead in your tracks and not move again until you have reassessed the situation.  By the way, does this give Trump any "points" with his naysayers?  Wondering how this is going to role the next four years, though I'm pretty confident I already know.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

These votes happened despite party leadership pushing them not to do it.  It's unlikely Ryan had influence to overturn this, but more likely it came from either public pushback, Trump pushback, or both.

If Paul Ryan can't go behind closed doors and convince his caucus that killing off the ethics oversight agency is a stupid, tone-deaf thing to do, then he's either completely incompetent or his caucus is just un-governable.  (Ryan is an okay guy; I'm pretty sure it's the latter, but it's definitely one or the other).

 

[adonis]

Damn GOP....when Trump is questioning you, I think the only thing you CAN do is stop dead in your tracks and not move again until you have reassessed the situation.  By the way, does this give Trump any "points" with his naysayers?  Wondering how this is going to role the next four years, though I'm pretty confident I already know.

It's a positive development, but by no means something that will change minds about him.  He didn't oppose the act itself, but rather the timing...but even that is something.

On the ethical issue, he still has a lot to explain before he gets sworn in, and I'm not holding my breath for that, but this was definitely a positive comment by him in my book.

 

[adonis]

These votes happened despite party leadership pushing them not to do it.  It's unlikely Ryan had influence to overturn this, but more likely it came from either public pushback, Trump pushback, or both.

If Paul Ryan can't go behind closed doors and convince his caucus that killing off the ethics oversight agency is a stupid, tone-deaf thing to do, then he's either completely incompetent or his caucus is just un-governable.  (Ryan is an okay guy; I'm pretty sure it's the latter, but it's definitely one or the other).

Early reports indicated that top republican leaders were urging the GOP in the house not to do this.  I can only assume this included Ryan, and definitely would indicate, if so, that he couldn't corral them.

However, the pushback on this from the public and Trump, along with the leadership being able to say "i told you so", might give him and others a bit more influence as time moves on.  They're making a transition from being a party who primarily was saying no to things, and voting against things that had been done, to now one that has the keys to the whole government and is trying to figure out what to do.  Growing pains I suspect, and I bet Ryan can use this to consolidate more authority, even if only a small amount.

 

[NCCommish]

As long as everyone is in an own it mood here's some things Democrats who voted for Obama twice can own. Dead kids killed by a drone program run amok. A US citizen murdered in an extrajudicial killing without a trial. The dramatic expansion of the surveillance state. The multiple.conflicts we are in. The decimation of the state level DNC and the loss of nearly 1000 legislators. That's a short list of things Obama voters need to own.

 

[NCCommish]

And I am embarrassed to admit I'm in that group. But I will say never again.

 

[The Commish]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm in love with angry NCCommish....been a long time coming  

 

[FreeBaGeL]

 By the way, does this give Trump any "points" with his naysayers?  Wondering how this is going to role the next four years, though I'm pretty confident I already know.

Points?  He didn't really even come out against it.  He basically just said maybe we should circle back to this later while making sure to fit a big jab ("unfair as it may be") in at the committee in the process.

I guess that's worth a few points.  The same way that kicking a FG while trailing 65-0 is worth a few points.  It's still a long ways from changing anything.

In your estimation, how many kinda sorta backwards maybe doing something a little bit good in a roundabout but noncommittal way "points" does it take to balance out bragging about sexually assaulting women, figuratively spitting on the constitution, urging your followers to physically assault people, openly lying, etc?

 

[adonis]

And I am embarrassed to admit I'm in that group. But I will say never again.

The only way not to be embarrassed by being in a group like that again will be to never be in any group again.  The world is an imperfect place, full of damned if you do, damned even worse if you don't type decisions.  Even if you were in power, folks would be able to look at your track record and point out bad things you did, even if you made the best of the options you were given.  

Trump will be the same.  He will do some good things, but there will be plenty to be critical of as well.  The only way you can not end up having supported a group that has done embarrassing things is to not support any groups, or people, ever again.

 

[The Commish]

 By the way, does this give Trump any "points" with his naysayers?  Wondering how this is going to role the next four years, though I'm pretty confident I already know.

Points?  He didn't really even come out against it.  He basically just said maybe we should circle back to this later while making sure to fit a big jab ("unfair as it may be") in at the committee in the process.

I guess that's worth a few points.  The same way that kicking a FG while trailing 65-0 is worth a few points.  It's still a long ways from changing anything.

In your estimation, how many kinda sorta backwards maybe doing something a little bit good in a roundabout but noncommittal way "points" does it take to balance out bragging about sexually assaulting women, figuratively spitting on the constitution, urging your followers to physically assault people, openly lying, etc?

To be honest, I am pretty much out of the keeping score game.  There really is no point.  Our politicians seem to be of the pre shot clock era.  I don't think they give a #### enough to score points with anyone really.  It's how we end up with Hillary vs Trump.  So, I'm not really sure how to answer your question.  Same would be true if you asked me how many platitudes from Obama it would take to erase the unlawful killing he's authorized absent due process.  I don't think there really are enough points to make up for these sorts of things...which is sad  

 

[The Commish]

The only way not to be embarrassed by being in a group like that again will be to never be in any group again.  The world is an imperfect place, full of damned if you do, damned even worse if you don't type decisions.  Even if you were in power, folks would be able to look at your track record and point out bad things you did, even if you made the best of the options you were given.  

Trump will be the same.  He will do some good things, but there will be plenty to be critical of as well.  The only way you can not end up having supported a group that has done embarrassing things is to not support any groups, or people, ever again.

Sorry...the things NCCommish listed aren't simply "embarrassing things".  I get that you'd want to soften the blow, but all "things" are not created equal.  To not acknowledge, and be embarrassed by, those things he mentioned specifically is baffling to me.

 

[adonis]

The only way not to be embarrassed by being in a group like that again will be to never be in any group again.  The world is an imperfect place, full of damned if you do, damned even worse if you don't type decisions.  Even if you were in power, folks would be able to look at your track record and point out bad things you did, even if you made the best of the options you were given.  

Trump will be the same.  He will do some good things, but there will be plenty to be critical of as well.  The only way you can not end up having supported a group that has done embarrassing things is to not support any groups, or people, ever again.

Sorry...the things NCCommish listed aren't simply "embarrassing things".  I get that you'd want to soften the blow, but all "things" are not created equal.  To not acknowledge, and be embarrassed by, those things he mentioned specifically is baffling to me.

I think you missed my point.

My point was that the only way you can avoid being in a group that doesn't embarrass you is by not being in any groups.  I understand you think I'm an Obama shill, but I actually agree with a lot of what NCComish said - and more that I'm frustrated he didn't do or did do.  However, I was responding to his "never again" comment.

I would still have voted for Obama over Romney.  I don't think a 3rd party vote is any cleaner on my conscience either, because if those people actually won, they would have their list of embarrassing accomplishments as well.

 

[sho nuff]

Damn GOP....when Trump is questioning you, I think the only thing you CAN do is stop dead in your tracks and not move again until you have reassessed the situation.  By the way, does this give Trump any "points" with his naysayers?  Wondering how this is going to role the next four years, though I'm pretty confident I already know.

Points for what?  You want to give him the credit without any real reason to just credit him with this turning around.

As was said...he didn't seem to actually oppose it...just the timing.

I credit the 74 that voted against it in the first place...and whoever went back in and backed up.

I credit Ryan and even Trump to an extent of speaking out against it.

I credit the public for getting the news of this and speaking out against it.

 

[Lutherman2112]

This isn't over, just delayed.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Damn GOP....when Trump is questioning you, I think the only thing you CAN do is stop dead in your tracks and not move again until you have reassessed the situation.  By the way, does this give Trump any "points" with his naysayers?  Wondering how this is going to role the next four years, though I'm pretty confident I already know.

I think he should get credit for it. Particularly if he was more vocal behind the scenes than he was in his one tweet, which was kind of non-committal about it -- timing is bad but OEC oversight is "unfair". I don't even particularly care if his motivation was just not wanting it to look as transparently vile and stupid as it did. My preference would be that he be encouraged to recognize when other GOP members do stupid stuff and try to stop it.

By the same token, I'd like it if the response of the House was, "Thanks for taking an interest in our ethics oversight Mr. Trump, now about your undisclosed foreign holdings and conflicts of interest..."

 

[The Commish]

I think you missed my point.

My point was that the only way you can avoid being in a group that doesn't embarrass you is by not being in any groups.  I understand you think I'm an Obama shill, but I actually agree with a lot of what NCComish said - and more that I'm frustrated he didn't do or did do.  However, I was responding to his "never again" comment.

I would still have voted for Obama over Romney.  I don't think a 3rd party vote is any cleaner on my conscience either, because if those people actually won, they would have their list of embarrassing accomplishments as well.

I don't think you're a shill and I disagree with the bold.  I am not embarrassed by any of the people I've voted for, or I wouldn't have voted for them.  If it's new information that I gleen after voting for them and it embarrasses me, I'm not voting for them again.  That's for certain.  However, that has no impact on the prior vote as I didn't have the information when I voted.

 

[The Commish]

I think he should get credit for it. Particularly if he was more vocal behind the scenes than he was in his one tweet, which was kind of non-committal about it -- timing is bad but OEC oversight is "unfair". I don't even particularly care if his motivation was just not wanting it to look as transparently vile and stupid as it did. My preference would be that he be encouraged to recognize when other GOP members do stupid stuff and try to stop it.

By the same token, I'd like it if the response of the House was, "Thanks for taking an interest in our ethics oversight Mr. Trump, now about your undisclosed foreign holdings and conflicts of interest..."

agreed....again

 

[adonis]

I think you missed my point.

My point was that the only way you can avoid being in a group that doesn't embarrass you is by not being in any groups.  I understand you think I'm an Obama shill, but I actually agree with a lot of what NCComish said - and more that I'm frustrated he didn't do or did do.  However, I was responding to his "never again" comment.

I would still have voted for Obama over Romney.  I don't think a 3rd party vote is any cleaner on my conscience either, because if those people actually won, they would have their list of embarrassing accomplishments as well.

I don't think you're a shill and I disagree with the bold.  I am not embarrassed by any of the people I've voted for, or I wouldn't have voted for them.  If it's new information that I gleen after voting for them and it embarrasses me, I'm not voting for them again.  That's for certain.  However, that has no impact on the prior vote as I didn't have the information when I voted.

I suppose I'm specifically talking about presidential elections in terms of being in one group or another.  I can't imagine a president throughout history, or any that didn't win, who wouldn't have made choices I would've been embarrassed by.  Being in a group that supports a leader at that level inevitably means I'll be disappointed by something.  Perhaps I am misreading NCCommish's point about "never again" though.

 

[NCCommish]

I suppose I'm specifically talking about presidential elections in terms of being in one group or another.  I can't imagine a president throughout history, or any that didn't win, who wouldn't have made choices I would've been embarrassed by.  Being in a group that supports a leader at that level inevitably means I'll be disappointed by something.  Perhaps I am misreading NCCommish's point about "never again" though.

I am specifically referring to be embarrassed by my second vote. Fool me once shame on you, etc. I knew what he was yet I still let the fear mongers sell me that tired old line and I voted team. Never again. 

 

[adonis]

I suppose I'm specifically talking about presidential elections in terms of being in one group or another.  I can't imagine a president throughout history, or any that didn't win, who wouldn't have made choices I would've been embarrassed by.  Being in a group that supports a leader at that level inevitably means I'll be disappointed by something.  Perhaps I am misreading NCCommish's point about "never again" though.

I am specifically referring to be embarrassed by my second vote. Fool me once shame on you, etc. I knew what he was yet I still let the fear mongers sell me that tired old line and I voted team. Never again. 

So just out of curiosity, what were your better alternatives?  Romney?  3rd Party? Abstaining in general?

 

[NCCommish]

No politician will be perfect. But when one has shown him or herself to be the antithesis of what you want then you have to move on. Doesn't matter if they are in your team or not. Your team should be the country not a political party.

 

[bigbottom]

Points?  He didn't really even come out against it.  He basically just said maybe we should circle back to this later while making sure to fit a big jab ("unfair as it may be") in at the committee in the process.

I guess that's worth a few points.  The same way that kicking a FG while trailing 65-0 is worth a few points.  It's still a long ways from changing anything.

In your estimation, how many kinda sorta backwards maybe doing something a little bit good in a roundabout but noncommittal way "points" does it take to balance out bragging about sexually assaulting women, figuratively spitting on the constitution, urging your followers to physically assault people, openly lying, etc?

He got his point across while providing cover and not outright insulting the Amendment's supporters. Seems like Trump employed a little nuance and achieved the desired effect. 

 

[NCCommish]

So just out of curiosity, what were your better alternatives?  Romney?  3rd Party? Abstaining in general?

What was Romeny going to do, make the Bush tax cuts permanent? Make sure no bankers ever paid a price for their machinations? Get us in 8 different countries bombing people? Maybe have us supply weapons to ISIS through some misguided effort to topple a government? Destroy the Democratic party from the ground up? Play lapdog to Isreali hardliners until it was way too late to matter?

Yeah good thing that guy lost what a disaster those things would be. 

 

[NCCommish]

He got his point across while providing cover and not outright insulting the Amendment's supporters. Seems like Trump employed a little nuance and achieved the desired effect. 

Not really. Congressman have been quoted as saying the avalanche of calls to their offices demanding to know what they thought they were doing had the desired effect.

 

[adonis]

So just out of curiosity, what were your better alternatives?  Romney?  3rd Party? Abstaining in general?

What was Romeny going to do, make the Bush tax cuts permanent? Make sure no bankers ever paid a price for their machinations? Get us in 8 different countries bombing people? Maybe have us supply weapons to ISIS through some misguided effort to topple a government? Destroy the Democratic party from the ground up? Play lapdog to Isreali hardliners until it was way too late to matter?

Yeah good thing that guy lost what a disaster those things would be. 

OK...I get that you're upset with Obama for some of his decisions...but many of those would still have been done by Romney, and he'd likely have added on more you didn't like as well.

I'm not attempting to demonize Romney, or hold up Obama, but rather to just say that dealing with the embarrassments of a vote is part of the package...and even if a second vote for Obama carried with it further embarrassments, it should only be weighed in comparison to the embarrassments you assume would've come from voting for someone else.  That is, unless your goal would be to vote for someone who never has a chance to get elected, and then essentially you're just abdicating responsibility for someone's actions.

It's not a huge deal...was just curious what your thought process was here.

 

[bigbottom]

Not really. Congressman have been quoted as saying the avalanche of calls to their offices demanding to know what they thought they were doing had the desired effect.

And you don't think Trump's tweet played some role in that? I'm guessing far more people read his tweet than paid attention to the news coverage. 

And whether they're willing to admit it or not, Trump's gentle but public rebuke no doubt had an effect on a non-material number of the Amendment's former supporters. 

 

[jon_mx]

Not really. Congressman have been quoted as saying the avalanche of calls to their offices demanding to know what they thought they were doing had the desired effect.

And I am guessing many identified themselves as supporters, which kicks the crap out of Roadkill's point.  

 

[NCCommish]

OK...I get that you're upset with Obama for some of his decisions...but many of those would still have been done by Romney, and he'd likely have added on more you didn't like as well.

I'm not attempting to demonize Romney, or hold up Obama, but rather to just say that dealing with the embarrassments of a vote is part of the package...and even if a second vote for Obama carried with it further embarrassments, it should only be weighed in comparison to the embarrassments you assume would've come from voting for someone else.  That is, unless your goal would be to vote for someone who never has a chance to get elected, and then essentially you're just abdicating responsibility for someone's actions.

It's not a huge deal...was just curious what your thought process was here.

Actually a lot of that happened in Obama's first term. So Romney wouldn't have had the chance because Obama beat him to it. And when I vote for someone going forward it will be because I support their announced plans for the country. So there is never a time when a vote.is an abdication of anything unless you only care about the letter behind the name and not the philosophy of the person.

 

[NCCommish]

And you don't think Trump's tweet played some role in that? I'm guessing far more people read his tweet than paid attention to the news coverage. 

Very little. Gives a little cover but I think the main impetus was the swift backlash.

 

[bigbottom]

Very little. Gives a little cover but I think the main impetus was the swift backlash.

And if the swift backlash came from the Republican faithful in terms of calls to their offices from constituents, I'm even more sure that the President-Elect's tweet played a role in motivating the backlash.

 

[Dickies]

Actually a lot of that happened in Obama's first term. So Romney wouldn't have had the chance because Obama beat him to it. And when I vote for someone going forward it will be because I support their announced plans for the country. So there is never a time when a vote.is an abdication of anything unless you only care about the letter behind the name and not the philosophy of the person.

I completely agree with what you are saying (did not vote for Obama a 2nd time for most of the reasons you listed and a couple more), but in my experience it leaves you with a small handful of options that still don't really represent your core beliefs.  I have never felt more confident in a candidate than I did with Bernie, but once he was knocked out I really disliked all of the candidates.  I voted Johnson the last two elections mainly as a protest vote, but he is a doofus.  The most influence you have is on the local level, and I love my local representative.

 

[knowledge dropper]

Wow, Trump owning government with the Power of Twitter. Dude is on fire.

MAGA!

 

[FreeBaGeL]

And if the swift backlash came from the Republican faithful in terms of calls to their offices from constituents, I'm even more sure that the President-Elect's tweet played a role in motivating the backlash.

Given the collective shrug of all the FBG Republicans here in this thread I'm guessing not a large percentage of that backlash came from the Republican faithful. 

 

[urbanhack]

Wow, Trump owning government with the Power of Twitter. Dude is on fire.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1QhPX3XcAErpQd.jpg:large

He's not opposing this, simply the timing.  What did he mean when he said: "as unfair as it may be"?

Again..using Twitter so he doesn't actually have to  answer any questions or add more details to his responses.

Neat.

 

[Slapdash]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C1QhPX3XcAErpQd.jpg:large

He's not opposing this, simply the timing.  What did he mean when he said: "as unfair as it may be"?

Again..using Twitter so he doesn't actually have to  answer any questions or add more details to his responses.

Neat.

Maybe if he actually had a press conference we could suss this out

 

[adonis]

Really have to give kudos to Trump here for bucking his own party and doing what he was elected to do--reign in the corrupt stupidity we're all sick of seeing from government. Stuff like this is going to make him a folk hero if he keeps it up.

He certainly has power right now, and he can use it effectively.

However, a sword can cut friend and foe alike.  His twitter feed has been used far more often to attack people unjustifiably to be too excited about this one, seemingly reasonable use of it.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

And if the swift backlash came from the Republican faithful in terms of calls to their offices from constituents, I'm even more sure that the President-Elect's tweet played a role in motivating the backlash.

Interesting series of tweets about that:

1. 
   Robert Costa ‏@costareports  53m53 minutes ago
   
   “Every left wing organization is calling my office." Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas), chairman of the rules committee
   
   Robert Costa ‏@costareports  59m59 minutes ago
   
   Most members tell me blizzard of angry constituent calls were most impt factor in getting the House to sideline the amdt
   
   Robert Costa ‏@costareports  1h1 hour ago
   
   This is their new world. Internal party moves never stay inside the room. Everything is a tweet away from becoming a nat'l firestorm.
   
   Robert Costa ‏@costareports  1h1 hour ago
   
   ... there is an acknowledgement that media frenzy + Trump tweets hung over the House & ldrshp as they made final decision today.
   
   Robert Costa ‏@costareports  1h1 hour ago
   
   Did Trump tilt House Rs away from ethics change? Consensus inside House GOP is that it was already on path to being shelved. But...
   
   Robert Costa ‏@costareports  1h1 hour ago
   
   Fascinating to discuss the effect of Trump's tweets with GOP members. They watched from afar in 2016, now it's their life.
   
   
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[Sabertooth]

Points?  He didn't really even come out against it.  He basically just said maybe we should circle back to this later while making sure to fit a big jab ("unfair as it may be") in at the committee in the process.

I guess that's worth a few points.  The same way that kicking a FG while trailing 65-0 is worth a few points.  It's still a long ways from changing anything.

In your estimation, how many kinda sorta backwards maybe doing something a little bit good in a roundabout but noncommittal way "points" does it take to balance out bragging about sexually assaulting women, figuratively spitting on the constitution, urging your followers to physically assault people, openly lying, etc?

Oh Christ dude, I'm a Democrat and I say take a chill pill.  Guy hasn't even taken office yet.  

 

[Mario Kart]

The Northerner love to hate on Madison and Milwaukee alright. And it's the same reason Trump won. Until the left stops acting like the smartest people in the room and knows better than everyone else, people in Northern Wisconsin will continue to vote republican. You can't treat these people like they are uneducated idiots for years and expect a different result. Go spend time in that area and speak to them on their terms and you might have a chance. 

Lived in Green Bay for 9 years, know the western part (Eau Claire) pretty well, the Democrats haven't treated these people any different than Republicans have. To say, or conclude, that one party has treated those people some kind of way is asinine. The north has hunters, 2nd amendment folks, and the "typical" Republican. Always has, always will. Many of them feed off the hate for Milwaukee and Madison like no other. 

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Its not the Trump backlash that caused the change -- it was the public backlash (which was even big enough to get Trump to comment).

 

[bueno]

I guess one benefit of Trump's successful campaign is that it demonstrated that there's really no need to go through the motions of trying to look ethical and well-behaved.  If you're going to be a crook, just go all out.  I salute the House Republicans for at least being honest about their lack of attachment to public accountability.

Love how the woodwind section tries putting all the blame on Trump. He tweeted:

" With all that Congress has to work on, do they really have to make the weakening of the Independent Ethics Watchdog, as unfair as it may be, their number one act and priority. Focus on tax reform, healthcare and so many other things of far greater importance! #DTS

7:07 AM - 3 Jan 2017
Nice try libs!

 

[bueno]

Because politicians don't like to be investigated for ethics violations?

It's because they have none.

 

[bueno]

Is it so much to ask for the people who vocally asked for this "change" to be held responsible and accountable for the choice they made? I hear your parsing of the facts, but I am not building a court case.

I'm just saying have a pair and own the leadership you yourself demanded.A good start, as shown by some here, is to criticise. But to then deflect with the Hillary crap is, imo, a demonstration of a lack of will to actually stand behind what you had been asking to happen on these very boards. It's intellectual cowardice.

Do you realize this is the outgoing Representatives who are trying to put through this not the incoming ones? Do you also realize that after the Trump tweet, GOP lawmakers dropped the idea before it came to a full vote? This is a tempest in a teapot. The House leadership is against it, Trump is against it and it got dropped. -30-

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You should be embarrassed and ashamed.

For actually putting my money where my mouth is and teach the last 4 years at about 25% of what I could or should be earning? You guys can keep taking pot shots but until you all pick up a book you really are just noise up in the stands. Get on the ground and get on the front line or continue to embarrass yourself and try to put me down for doing something courageous in order to make yourself feel better.

I have zero to be ashamed of. Only a man with very little self worth would continually try and mentally abuse someone on an internet chat forum. 

Mass, your psychosis in posts has risen thru the roof the last 12 months and I'm not alone. You got  a couple likes from your multiple log ins and other folks not right in the head. I got a PM thread filled with 30 people who feel the same way about you. You've done an outstanding job showing how much of a bleep bleep you can be to everyone. 

You migth want to look in the mirror before you just go swinging at everyone. We call it projecting.

 

[bueno]

You have the honor of being the first person to have Adonis' law invoked.  Congratulations on your accomplishment

Can we vote on this stupid law? Or did we elect Adonis dictator or something? ;-)

 

[Lutherman2112]

Do you realize this is the outgoing Representatives who are trying to put through this not the incoming ones? Do you also realize that after the Trump tweet, GOP lawmakers dropped the idea before it came to a full vote? This is a tempest in a teapot. The House leadership is against it, Trump is against it and it got dropped. -30-

Today marks the beginning of the 115th Congress which runs from January 3, 2017 to January 3, 2019, during the final weeks of the Obama presidency and the first two years of the Trump presidency. The outgoing reps are gone.

Swearing In of 115th Congress On Tuesday

 

[bigbottom]

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He's not opposing this, simply the timing.  What did he mean when he said: "as unfair as it may be"?

Again..using Twitter so he doesn't actually have to  answer any questions or add more details to his responses.

Neat.

See my above post. It gets his point across while still providing cover to the Amendment supporters. Pretty slick actually. 

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

For actually putting my money where my mouth is and teach the last 4 years at about 25% of what I could or should be earning? You guys can keep taking pot shots but until you all pick up a book you really are just noise up in the stands. Get on the ground and get on the front line or continue to embarrass yourself and try to put me down for doing something courageous in order to make yourself feel better.

I have zero to be ashamed of. Only a man with very little self worth would continually try and mentally abuse someone on an internet chat forum. 

Mass, your psychosis in posts has risen thru the roof the last 12 months and I'm not alone. You got  a couple likes from your multiple log ins and other folks not right in the head. I got a PM thread filled with 30 people who feel the same way about you. You've done an outstanding job showing how much of a bleep bleep you can be to everyone. 

You migth want to look in the mirror before you just go swinging at everyone. We call it projecting.

What book we talking about here?

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

30 people PMed you?  Wtf