Mr. Retukes
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Houston TE James Casey (1 Viewer)
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packersfan
Footballguy
Ditto. The Colts are stingy against TEs so that's something to take into consideration but I thought he was more active last week than yesterday. I don't believe he got a target in the first half. The way the coaching staff talked him up, I thought we'd see them try to get the ball to him but yesterday it was all Walter and the RBs on the intermediate routes. If that continues, Casey won't have any value in redraft leagues the rest of the season. If you started him this week, I'd say start him one more week because the Week 13 matchup at Jacksonville has a lot of potential. But he's a high-risk starter right now so you have to be prepared for another dud like yesterday.
packersfan
Footballguy
If you're carrying two TEs, I doubt there's one available on the WW who has more upside than Casey. So I agree he's worth holding. The biggest positive is he's getting a lot of snaps but so far Kubiak's talk of getting him more involved hasn't turned out to have any substance.
jkvudores
Footballguy
Anymore thoughts on Casey after this weeks game. No targets? I am thinking of letting him go to grab another prospect for next year in my Dyno league. I am a Cooley and Cook owner, and I am not sure I would hold onto Casey anyway. I am currently covering my TE needs with Fred Davis.
FutbolAmericano
Footballguy
Any thoughts from homers/those who watched today's game? Looks good from the highlights and saw many targets even with Owen Daniels playing. He is also TE/RB eligible on Yahoo.
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coolnerd
Footballguy
It was a great game by Casey. He was used all over the field. My problem is that this is the first time in three he has been involved in the game plan in such a deliberate manner. I have not idea what to expect going forward. My guess, is that Casey is at least a bye week flyer, but guessing a pretty boom or bust one at this point.
The Hank
Footballguy
He should have a decent matchup decent this week vs. Pittsburgh.We had a ton of trouble with TE's week 1 (Pitta/Dickson of BAL) and with the Steelers most likely going to double up AJ; that is going to open up alot of underneath routes to alot of the other guys (Walter, Daniels, Casey, RB's ETC).'coolnerd said:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I was at that game, some notes:
Casey looked unstoppable, like sort of tall rangy tight end teams have been rolling out a la Graham, Gronk, Finley, etc. At one point the Texans fired a deep fly pattern TD to Casey on really a beautiful play.... not long after the Saints did a touche back right back at them and did the exact same thing with Graham. Great stuff.
However the Saints also lost two linebacker during the game, they were one injury away from plugging the backup fullback in at LB.
The Saints have a historical proclivity for getting swamped by the TE's, big names and no names alike.
For those of you in a yahoo league for one reason or another Casey happens to be featured as both a TE and as RB. For anyone in dire need of a RB plugin that's a pretty interesting flyer if you're in a deep league. As an added bonus if he even gets so much as a single catch for 10 yards every week that is not a bad RB2, heavy danger of getting zeroed there though on the flipside. But if Daniels went out, wow that could be nice.
Casey looked unstoppable, like sort of tall rangy tight end teams have been rolling out a la Graham, Gronk, Finley, etc. At one point the Texans fired a deep fly pattern TD to Casey on really a beautiful play.... not long after the Saints did a touche back right back at them and did the exact same thing with Graham. Great stuff.
However the Saints also lost two linebacker during the game, they were one injury away from plugging the backup fullback in at LB.
The Saints have a historical proclivity for getting swamped by the TE's, big names and no names alike.
For those of you in a yahoo league for one reason or another Casey happens to be featured as both a TE and as RB. For anyone in dire need of a RB plugin that's a pretty interesting flyer if you're in a deep league. As an added bonus if he even gets so much as a single catch for 10 yards every week that is not a bad RB2, heavy danger of getting zeroed there though on the flipside. But if Daniels went out, wow that could be nice.
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GregR
Footballguy
He was thrown to three times in the first game, none in the second against the Dolphins. I'm not sure if it was in the game plan to get him involved more, or if he was doing well so they kept going back to him. I could see them trying to build on it though. His receiving skills are sort of unusual to have at the FB position, so a chance to find some mismatches.I could see a mandatory 2 TE league using him as a bye week filler perhaps, and as a handcuff for Daniels. I wouldn't count on anything beyond that though.
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
I'm willing to go all in on this guy. Granted I play in deep leagues, but even for shallow leagues he's definitely someone to keep an eye on. A tight end designated player who's an excellent receiver and also gets carries is straight money.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
They do need to fill a gap. The run game is prob not what they were expecting and the no.2 receiver not doing much. Have the texans now found this piece of the puzzle?
GregR
Footballguy
I think we also need to consider whether Casey was filling some of the void in the passing game left by Foster's absence. Tate hasn't been able to fill that at all. Some of those touches could go away when Foster returns, though I'd like to see the Texans continue to get him involved in the game and keep the defenses guessing.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Another thing to consider is that neither Jacoby nor Walter is 100% healthy, so there could some creativity born out of need.
Hmm, Texans having red zone woes... Casey was a terrific GL wildcat QB at Rice... Hmmm...
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
It'd be worth a shot, but I can't imagine Kubiak actually doing it. Failing to score from the goal line using conventional play calling and no one bats an eye. Failing to score from the goal line using unconventional play calling and Kubiak gets called an idiot by fans and the media alike. Because of that alone, I don't think Kubiak is in a safe enough position as a head coach to be risking that. Though it is a shame how the psychology of things is likely the main reason not to give it a try.
Captain Hook
Footballguy
I didn't read the whole thread so this may have been suggested, but what I posted elsewhere today is that while Casey is a long shot to duplicate yesterday's line again this year, he would be an excellent lineup hedge if you owned Owen Daniels......or even AJ and is also some relief if you own Foster and he does not play as well as last year - another way for Kubiak and Schaub to increase offensive production
Football Jones
Footballguy
I believe Casey's biggest plays came out of the backfield yesterday (I need to watch Short Cuts to confirm that). Right now, he's being used as their TE3 & in some packages as a passing back. It's hard to say how much time he'll see as a receiving back when Foster returns, though. Right now, Casey is basically a jack of all trades.
If OD went down, I believe Dreessen would be next in line as their starting TE, although, Casey would certainly see more snaps. Interesting player, just not sure how much value he holds in FF.
If OD went down, I believe Dreessen would be next in line as their starting TE, although, Casey would certainly see more snaps. Interesting player, just not sure how much value he holds in FF.
loose circuits
Footballguy
you realize he's the starting FB? from your discussion on 'snaps' I wasn't sure. he gets a lot'Football Jones said:
nysportsfan
Footballguy
I was reading this as if it was this year 
Like the talent, needs a better opportunity.
Like the talent, needs a better opportunity.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I meant snaps as a TE, which would make him fantasy relevant
loose circuits
Footballguy
why does it matter what position he is playing when he's catching the ball? doesn't he motion out and play slot from FB position or is used as a H-back type?
coolnerd
Footballguy
I don't think it is fans etc. More inclinded to believe that it is outside of Kubiak's personality. While Houston has a well designed and coordinated offense, it is not generally innovative by any means. If anything the more of the fans that I know would welcome something "outside the box" (hate that phrase.'Time Kibitzer said:
Time Kibitzer
Footballguy
I wasn't making a plight against Houston fans as much as I was football fans in general. People are more likely to second guess their (or in this casse Kubiak's) decisions if he acts in a way that is unconventional as opposed to conventional; it's just human nature.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Think he would have some leeway in Houston specific because enough people saw Casey play redzone QB at Rice, but I think you have something there with fans (althought think fans get contradictory about risk...i.e. they want coaches to take plenty until the risks don't work)
Football Jones
Footballguy
It means a lot. If Casey remains the starting FB with few snaps as a TE, his opportunity for fantasy points will be drastically reduced. You think he's going to score on wheel routes out of the backfield every week? Unless he gets quite a bit of time at TE, which looks to be limited as their TE3, Casey won't have much fantasy value at all, especially if Foster recovers & takes over some of the 3rd down duties like he has in the past.If he can beat out Dreessen for TE2 or if they consistently get him involved some way, then Casey's prospects might go up. OD is one of the best receiving TEs in the NFL & the Texans signed him through 2014 despite Casey's presence. It's going to be really hard for him to be anywhere near consistent enough to be fantasy relevant unless the things I mentioned come to fruition.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
Joel Dressen has 2 catches for 30 yards on the year with 0 TD's with 4 targets. I just don't see how Casey missing out on those 2 catches or 4 targets is going to significantly impact him one way or the other. As long as OD is healthy is value is going to be limited regardless. I think you are too rigid in your thoughts because Casey isn't the typical FB and won't be used like it. Kubiak has already said they are going to make sure he's involved and if he produces then I'm sure his role will expand. Whether that's catching balls out of the backfield, playing in-line TE, or motioning out to the slot it doesn't really matter if the targets are there. He's TE15 right now in my PPR league playing mostly out of the FB role and I don't think anyone is expecting him to rise above that when you consider the competition. In fact, I'd expect him to be behind Gresham, Winslow, Dallas Clark, and Gates (if he gets healthy). I'd probably rather have Jared Cook if he gets more involved with Britt's injury, Kendricks also has much more upside. Kinda depends on the league you play in whether he's worth anything in fantasy. I imagine he'll have more 3 29 type games than 5 100 1, but that's just the way it works. I'd say he's as or more valuable than a guy like Evan Moore who plays 15 snaps a game and on par with Celek, Cooley (who plays FB a lot now), the Miller's. Either way you are gonna have a TE20something when it is all said and done. I play in MFL where there is no dual eligibility, but i'm not sold he shouldn't qualify as a FB since that is his main position. However, if you have the dual eligibility then he should be worth a lot more with bye weeks coming up. that's basically what he is an emergency bye week filler
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Just watched the game again. To my eye, it looked like Casey was on the field for at least 2/3rds of the snaps, running routes on many of them, so he was definitely involved a lot. The majority of his catches seemed to be on plays designed specifically for him as the first read, as Schaub seemed to just drop back and chuck it right to him without looking at anyone else. One of his incompletions in the 4th quarter was a duplicate of the the play he scored his TD on, so they definitely had him in mind and were trying to get him involved in this game.
The big question is whether his involvement changes with Foster coming back.
The big question is whether his involvement changes with Foster coming back.
