Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Here's your problem....'shuke said:
batting 4th and playing 3rd base, Scott Rolen.
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How 'bout them Reds! (1 Viewer)
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batting 4th and playing 3rd base, Scott Rolen.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
Why would there be a need to move BP to 3B? I'd say Cozart going to 3B would be way more likely seeing that he's an above average fielder with good arm strength. This wouldn't need to happen until 2014 when Hamilton is ready, but seems like he's going to play some OF.
Eephus
Footballguy
The track record for mid-30s second basemen isn't good
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Why is a gimpy Phillips getting an 8th inning AB in a 8-1 ballgame?
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
You haven't seen the new Fox Sports Ohio Girls?
Rustoleum
Footballguy
Nope. I heard Mo Egger talking about them a couple days ago, but I thought he was being facetious. Worth checking out? Can any of them hit left-handed pitching or bat lead off?I saw it go from 2-0 to 5-0, then I watched some stuff of my new HOPPA! and checked back in just in time for a two run triple. I just flipped back over to see it only got worse from there.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Seems like 2011.
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cheese
Footballguy
Not worried yet. Can't argue up to this point though.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
I know it's still early, just frustrating.
cheese
Footballguy
Is Dusty onto something getting him fastballs in front of Votto?
ThaPenguin
Footballguy
Brutal.
Rustoleum
Footballguy
TV said he was like 1 for 26 lifetime versus the starter so Dusty moved him down in order for Ludwick to ring up some LOB's.Why is Bruce batting 7th???????
Rustoleum
Footballguy
I haven't given up on Leake, but because of his short outing yesterday, Dusty had to burn all the mop-up relievers, leaving Chapman and Ondrusek both to pitch in a 6-0 game today. They have an off day Monday, but still, that stuff can't happen all season long.I really hope Masset can come back strong, that may be enough to give Aroldis his shot at the rotation.
Caesar
Footballguy
I think my biggest issue right now is the fact that the bats are either dead or alive. there is no middle with this team.
I saw a stat that said they were 0-9 scoring under 4 runs, and 8-0 scoring 4 or more. Maybe a lot of teams fall into that, but it just looks bad. Of course, that was before the blown save and the 6-4 loss to the Astros.
I also seem to remember a stretch where they scored 1 run 4of6 or 5of6 games.
Almost makes me glad I can't watch any of them right now. Maybe they will have figured it out by the time I get back.
I saw a stat that said they were 0-9 scoring under 4 runs, and 8-0 scoring 4 or more. Maybe a lot of teams fall into that, but it just looks bad. Of course, that was before the blown save and the 6-4 loss to the Astros.
I also seem to remember a stretch where they scored 1 run 4of6 or 5of6 games.
Almost makes me glad I can't watch any of them right now. Maybe they will have figured it out by the time I get back.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
The bullpen has been really good since the woeful start to the season. Since Marshall's BS, they haven't allowed a run. Leake was way better his last outing so that's good thankfully. It's probably not the worst thing ever that Chapman is still in the bullpen still, especially if Leake/Homer are pitching decent. I'd say mid June is probably the most ideal for Chapman to enter the rotation since he's on a 150 IP watch. That way come time for the postseason, he'll be way under that and the Reds won't have to shut him down.
Rustoleum
Footballguy
Stubbs has mastered turning a 3-0 count into a K.
Rough start tonight. Bailey letting up with two outs and getting into trouble in both innings so far.
Hopefully they can turn this one around.
I understand Dusty not wanting to stack the lefties, but when most of your right-handed bats just aren't up to it, is it really helping? It's like there is some big electromagnet keeping him from putting two lefties next to each other in the lineup.
I'd love to see 20 games of
Cozart
Phillips
Votto
Bruce
Rolen/Frazier
Heisey
Stubbs
Hanigan
Or really almost any combo of the 6-8 guys.
Rough start tonight. Bailey letting up with two outs and getting into trouble in both innings so far.
Hopefully they can turn this one around.
I understand Dusty not wanting to stack the lefties, but when most of your right-handed bats just aren't up to it, is it really helping? It's like there is some big electromagnet keeping him from putting two lefties next to each other in the lineup.
I'd love to see 20 games of
Cozart
Phillips
Votto
Bruce
Rolen/Frazier
Heisey
Stubbs
Hanigan
Or really almost any combo of the 6-8 guys.
He does refuse to bat Bruce 4th though.Dusty is dumb.
cheese
Footballguy
Jay Bruce has started 72 games in the cleanup spot, almost exclusively behind Joey Votto. In those games, his OPS is .705.
His OPS in the 5 spot over 195 games is .880.
I am still strongly in the Dusty's camp that the goal is to maximize the amount of production itself rather than trying to correctly order a set amount of production as if it is static. This is a much broader topic though than just Joey/Jay and just the Reds. I don't care why Jay does better separated from Joey, but we have a growing data set that says he does.
His OPS in the 5 spot over 195 games is .880.
I am still strongly in the Dusty's camp that the goal is to maximize the amount of production itself rather than trying to correctly order a set amount of production as if it is static. This is a much broader topic though than just Joey/Jay and just the Reds. I don't care why Jay does better separated from Joey, but we have a growing data set that says he does.
Rustoleum
Footballguy
I'm ok with pulling him, even after the ninth ended up being rather eventful. If he is on an inning target for the year and they still see him starting at some point, why stretch him out another inning when you have a two run lead, and both your closer (for now, anyway)and a hot Ondrusek available?Chapman seems in tune with being told to basically go out there, own the 8th inning, then kick back and let everybody else do their jobs.Until the Reds are confident the fatigue issue he ran into his rookie year when they started jumping up his workload is past, I say don't mess with something that is flat out working for you.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
Why move Stubbs to the 7 spot? Stubbs is hitting .344 in the 2 spot. I actually like the lineup how it is now. BP looks like he's coming along now too.
Rustoleum
Footballguy
I confess I don't look much at production from each particular spot in the order. I read the box scores and watch most of the games, but other than "wow...so and so had a good game, that's about the extent of any number crunching. I just think Stubbs still strikes out too much and it just seems he's feast or famine. Maybe an in-depth statistical analysis won't bear this out, but I think moving him down like I proposed gives you better production at the top, and a chance for the bottom half to do some damage or at least put some runners on for the top half to do push some one or two out runs across.Of course, with Leake pitching and a decent lefty on the mound, none of this matters at all. Oof. Stubbs was just the 6th consecutive strikeout.
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r0llin_game
Footballguy
The thing with Stubbs is he's probably the fastest right handed batter in the league. Take for instance, the game Wednesday against Milwaukee. If the Reds don't have Stubbs on at first, he doesn't score on the Votto liner that barely got about Rickie Weeks head on a ball that didn't even reach the fence. The more astonishing thing to me was, when Stubbs was heading to third, it looked like he was starting to pull up and he still ended up scoring not really even needing to slide. I think getting that speed ahead of Votto in the order is beyond huge. If he's hitting .344 in that 2 hole, with Votto behind him who gets on base basically every other plate appearance. If Votto doubles, about 90-95% of the time, Stubbs scores from first, if Votto walks, then BP is getting a chance with 1st/2nd, and he's finally heating up as he's had 4 straight multi hit games. I think I'd take the risk of batting Stubbs #2, even though he strikes out a lot, because of the protection he's getting at #3, and when he doesn't strikeout, he's got a good chance to score each time on base.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
Did Leake put on a Cueto costume and vice versa on the mound?
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Not sure what to say. I can hack watching a loser if they're giving effort, but I haven't seen it with this team for going on 2 years. Good lord... I'm not going to mention names because you all know who I'm talking about, but too many empty, unproductive at bats, too many base running mistakes, too many defensive gaffes at key times, too many starters not going deep enough, and in general, just a lack of professionalism.
The Reds have some talent; I'm just not sure they have guys who care enough to take their talent to the next level.
The Reds have some talent; I'm just not sure they have guys who care enough to take their talent to the next level.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
You guys in Cincy, what are you hearing about possible moves? I know it's early, but this is frustrating and well, I'm frankly curious to know what the plan is since they locked up Joey and Brandon. I'm sure this is not what they had in mind when they shelled out all those millions. Not blaming Joey and Brandon, but you know how things go.
Rustoleum
Footballguy
I don't see much happening this year. Madson, Bray, and Massett all going down pretty much nixed Chapman starting for now, or we'd probably already see Leake in the bullpen or at AAA. I think that has pretty much ruined any realistic chances at winning the division,
Frazier will get some time to hopefully earn a starting job at 3rd, but the Reds have spent the last gazillion years refusing to field three productive outfielders at the same time, so there is nobody to plug in when Heisey and/or Stubbs bottom out.
We're probably not far from people calling to dump Ludwick and call up Hamilton straight from A ball or wherever he is.
I think it's going to be a good seasoning year for Frazier, Cozart, and Mesoraco, and maybe some starts for Chapman at the end of the year, and they will go into the offseason looking for an upgrade at 4 or 5 starter, a closer, and an outfielder who can keep his total number of K's and first-pitch pop ups down to less than two per game.
But hey, that new casino downtown hasn't collapsed in a couple of months now, so at least there's that.
My sunny outlook is probably due to holding into my Bengals tickets for too long (gave them up last year finally). Realistically, the bullpen was due for a letup, more pieces of the lineup are starting to hit a little, and they'll get just enough starting pitching to be .500 or a little over. An improvement this year, and hopefully they will be primed for a big jump next year.
Frazier will get some time to hopefully earn a starting job at 3rd, but the Reds have spent the last gazillion years refusing to field three productive outfielders at the same time, so there is nobody to plug in when Heisey and/or Stubbs bottom out.
We're probably not far from people calling to dump Ludwick and call up Hamilton straight from A ball or wherever he is.
I think it's going to be a good seasoning year for Frazier, Cozart, and Mesoraco, and maybe some starts for Chapman at the end of the year, and they will go into the offseason looking for an upgrade at 4 or 5 starter, a closer, and an outfielder who can keep his total number of K's and first-pitch pop ups down to less than two per game.
But hey, that new casino downtown hasn't collapsed in a couple of months now, so at least there's that.
My sunny outlook is probably due to holding into my Bengals tickets for too long (gave them up last year finally). Realistically, the bullpen was due for a letup, more pieces of the lineup are starting to hit a little, and they'll get just enough starting pitching to be .500 or a little over. An improvement this year, and hopefully they will be primed for a big jump next year.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
Dusty has never been known to be patient with younger players. I like Dusty, but he's just not a good fit for this organization IMO. If they're going to dip into the farm system this year, then might as well get rid of Dusty as well.
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shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
He's kept a struggling rookie in the leadoff spot. How is that not patient?
cheese
Footballguy
He also plugged Stubbs, Bruce, etc straight in the lineup and stuck with Homer/Leake through their growing pains. Not to mention the leaps Cueto has made under him. I'm not saying this to jump on GLMike, it's a common perception about Dusty that I just don't agree with.It doesn't matter, they're not going to go "young" at any point in 2012.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Speaking of which.....is he going to right the ship??
r0llin_game
Footballguy
For those that have t really paid attention to the minors, there's not really anyone that's hitting well near the lead off spot in AAA to even bring up. Pitching wise, if Leake continues to struggle, the only person I'd figure the Reds would bring up is Jeff Francis, and he's been struggling as of late with an ERA above 4.00
I'd at least like to see him get bumped to AA. He's around 1300 PA's between Rk, A, & A+. He's killing A+ pitching now, get him up to Pensacola at least.ETA: Andy ####### Pettitte?? Seriously?
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r0llin_game
Footballguy
Billy should be in AA at ASB.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Why the hell isn't Chapman your closer? It's a miracle if you even put the ball in play against him.
When he didn't come back in for the 9th, my reaction was.... THANK YOU.
It's a miracle if you even put the ball in play against him.When he didn't come back in for the 9th, my reaction was.... THANK YOU.
