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How did FF community get Equanimeous St. Brown so wrong? (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
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There is more to the hype of ESB by FF owners than the fact that he played for Norte Dame. The NFL sure didn’t jump on that train.
JohnnyU
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Not a matter of who I trust, it’s a matter of the NFL not hyping ESB as much as FF did and it has more to do with than him playing for ND.
Bronco Billy
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And you’d be correct. The OP did ask how devy leagues got it so wrong. I’ll step out of the conversation. I’m much more interested in discussing why his perceived value transcended into dynasty rookie drafts despite all the warning signs.
You are talking about a very small, niche audience. You should expect some significant variance there. Not many worthwhile NFL analysts to begin with and most of them don't cover college guys until they are coming out for the NFL draft. Similarly, devy drafts are a small subset of dynasty which is a very small subset of fantasy football.
Where did he go in your dynasty (non-devy) drafts? I never saw him get out of the 3rd round, sometimes falling to the 4th. I'd say his value was a little inflated for a 6th round pick, but nothing crazy. You're throwing darts at that point in the draft, so I get why people would take a chance on a tall, fast guy in GB.
JohnnyU
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ESB is a fine choice in the 3rd or 4th rd of 2018 dynasty rookie drafts, but that has nothing to do with this thread.
Yeah, he said he didn't realize the devy component but was still curious how he was valued so high in dynasty leagues this year. I was asking him a question bc I personally had not seen his value that high this year.
i don't think he was labeled a can't miss, what ever that means
picking WRs in devy leagues is a crap shoot, with more misses than hits (same could be said about 1st round WRs the past four years going back to 2015)
talent and work ethic eventually wins out, even with a poor draft pedigree but the leash is way shorter. Diggs being a recent example.
if ESB is active on game day and earns more snaps, that is a positive going into 2019. There is a big learning curve to be a professional football player, some never learn it and are out in a few years... DGB comes to mind
picking WRs in devy leagues is a crap shoot, with more misses than hits (same could be said about 1st round WRs the past four years going back to 2015)
talent and work ethic eventually wins out, even with a poor draft pedigree but the leash is way shorter. Diggs being a recent example.
if ESB is active on game day and earns more snaps, that is a positive going into 2019. There is a big learning curve to be a professional football player, some never learn it and are out in a few years... DGB comes to mind
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Why was FF so much higher on him than the NFL, not talking about the 2018 NFL draft either? Look how high the NFL is on A J Brown and N'Keal Harry right now.
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Jello_Biafra
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Sometimes those are the guys to go after. Same thing happened with Diggs. I scooped him up late in all drafts because the NFL had it all figured out he went from top prospect to late flyer. I drafted ESB, and after wasting a pick on Malachi Dupre who was also a devy favorite, I can't say I'm happy. Hope he shows something.I feel like there's really nothing to see here. He had a nice sophomore year at a fairly young age for a name brand college. Devy drafts reacted accordingly. His junior year isn't as good, NFL draft reacts accordingly.
Fariq
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Same here for that reason and because people call them "devy" leagues. Does it get more corny than that?
JohnnyU
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JohnnyU
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I was one of those that wasted a devy pick on Dupre. To my defense however, that league separates the devy draft and current year’s rookie draft instead of combing them into one draft.
Fariq
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amateurJohnnyU said:
The notion that a fantasy owner is developing a player is ridiculous. Dropping the "developmental" idea and the massively corny "devy" word would be great.
Nothing wrong with calling the college and high school players you draft amateurs.
As for the league? You call it a fantasy football league.
bagger
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His brother Aman Ra looked pretty good on Saturday as a true freshman. I thought it was odd that USC’s true freshman qb kept using him as his security blanket when there are a couple good junior WRs you would think would fill that role.
Then I realized the two played high school ball together.
Knowing very little of the family it does ring of a Lavar Bell situation with the dad naming all of his kids after Egyptian gods.
Then I realized the two played high school ball together.
Knowing very little of the family it does ring of a Lavar Bell situation with the dad naming all of his kids after Egyptian gods.
fatness
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BoltBacker
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You keep making this statement and I'm not sure what you mean. How do you know how high the NFL is on a player at any given time other than draft day?JohnnyU said:
msommer
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Because FF people were drafting him in devy leagues in the moment immediately following his breakout year. NFL people weren't going to draft him for another year, thus they temper expectations. I mean, how many prospects - especially non QBs - really get hyped by the NFL one year out from the draft? This year the only offensive player I can really think of getting consistent hype from the NFL so early in the process -- one year out -- was Saquon Barkley. Nick Chubb had that hype two years ago before he got hurt......but did any other non-QBs? I'd say no.JohnnyU said:
How many guys are getting hyped by devy leagues right now, for 2020? How many guys are getting hyped by the NFL right now for 2020?
I mean, the disparity there will tell you this isn't some grand conspiracy or shouldn't be some great source of consternation. It's a completely understandable byproduct of the difference in mindset between a devy league with a many years forward emphasis and the actual real NFL.
Long Ball Larry
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Aren’t players allowed to come off of ir during the season now?
In season, players who are placed on IR are eligible to return, but they have to have started the season on the 53-man roster. Once the cuts are finalized, they can then send those players to IR, but if they send a player to IR now instead of cutting someone they lose the return option.
Interseptopus
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They have to make the 53 first. He is not eligible to come off during the season
Interseptopus
Footballguy
To answer the OP... had we used my miss detector we wouldn't have gotten this one wrong 
Interseptopus
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The Frankman
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I can't believe this is his thread lol... OP is nothing but hating on how bad he is as a prospect
It'll be a miracle if he becomes fantasy relevant this season, but I've seen stranger things happen this year.
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