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[Capella]

Its a big reason why you gotta shut down people like EG72. Its the wrong move for growth.

 

[Vikes Fan]

I too am from the Cheetsheet days. I think it was about 1999. I went on my favorite search engine ixquick.com and put in "free fantasy football cheetsheets". Number one site to pop up was this one. I made the mistake of telling two other guys about it. One was my brother, who I am no longer in a league with, and the other is a friend who still is the strongest competition I have in my league every year...

 

[BGP]

I will say that I can't think of one person here that impresses me with their football knowledge. There are people elsewhere that would talk circles around each and every one of us. I've sat in Cleveland Browns stadium and held conversations with other fans in the stands that can analyze everything that is going on instantly and 1000x more in-depth than any prepared, edited article ever written here. And some of those people are on the internet.

 

[Raiders37]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.

Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

If you think FBGs isn't a great site then go spend your time on the boards that you like instead of showing your a-r-s-e here. Having said that, you sure as hell spend a lot of time here for someone that doesn't like the site.

FBGs has its function. Like I said, this place is loaded with statheads. And from a fantasy standpoint, that certainly has a use. I'm a bit of a stathead too. I get that. But I think anyone can tell from browsing threads in the Shark Pool, or reading subscription content, that the current staff and the current pool of posters doesn't watch a whole lot of game tape. You do realize there are people on the internet that devour that stuff with an incredible passion, and can break down the positives and negatives of a load of players at the drop of a hat, right? One of the reasons such people do not post here, is well, they can see the sort of crap that goes on these forums. They know full well that people love to snap and attack and criticize and they don't want to deal with it. They just want to analyze tape and tell you what they see. Its a big reason why you gotta shut down people like EG72. Its the wrong move for growth.

I've said for years that the first thing FBGs needs to do is start filling out its staff with people who have either played the game or been in the coaching ranks.

I actually agree with these 2 things, to some extent. There really are a lot of people who post here, and I mean A LOT. Out of that "lot" there are several posters that I do respect the opinions of, as I am sure most of us do. But then again, it seems to me that there are too many posters who just want to see what their typing looks like on here or something, who knows. Fishers, comedians, etc. I just try to ignore them because of the BS they tend to post. It takes a lot of sifting sometimes, but the info in here is the best, maybe not all on the front page and easy to find, but its here and IMO it's still the best.As for what you said about FBG's staffing, I wouldn't mind seeing someone like that around here, but the stats are what this site is all about. Having an "insider" on staff would be great, but I think we do have a few insiders on this board. Some them are posers, but there are a few in here.

JMO...

 

[jzygmunt]

Showed up one day after a late-night google session earlier this year. I tried to register, but it said my email address was already in use, and for the life of me, I can't recall when I arrived the first time.

Wierd.

 

[Couch Potato]

How did I find it? Did it get lost?

Actually, I knew Joe a little bit from the rec.sports.football.fantasy newsgroup, and David from MrFootball.com. Went to cheetsheets.net when it started, then here.

Many from the old rsff must be on this board these days under different alia. Anybody know if Bubba or Bill Beal are around? I learned not long ago that Carl Z is Fla\/\/ed. There must be a bunch more that I see here but never made the connection to the old names.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

If this isn't a "great site" then why are you still here? Werewolf domination?

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

If you think FBGs isn't a great site then go spend your time on the boards that you like instead of showing your a-r-s-e here. Having said that, you sure as hell spend a lot of time here for someone that doesn't like the site.

FBGs has its function. Like I said, this place is loaded with statheads. And from a fantasy standpoint, that certainly has a use. I'm a bit of a stathead too. I get that. But I think anyone can tell from browsing threads in the Shark Pool, or reading subscription content, that the current staff and the current pool of posters doesn't watch a whole lot of game tape. You do realize there are people on the internet that devour that stuff with an incredible passion, and can break down the positives and negatives of a load of players at the drop of a hat, right? One of the reasons such people do not post here, is well, they can see the sort of crap that goes on these forums. They know full well that people love to snap and attack and criticize and they don't want to deal with it. They just want to analyze tape and tell you what they see. Its a big reason why you gotta shut down people like EG72. Its the wrong move for growth.I've said for years that the first thing FBGs needs to do is start filling out its staff with people who have either played the game or been in the coaching ranks.

I think we have a new leader in the "whiny tool" category.

 

[3nOut]

Me too. I was here when it was cheatsheets. My usernumber actually went up when the switched over to footballguys.

Same here. My number was in the low to mid hunndreds I think.

 

[nightmare]

R.S.F.F

(rec sports fantasy football)

Joe Bryant announces on the board he's starting a new web site.

Some of the guys laughed at it (Chris Gough? and the like).

Others, Greg Kellogg, D Dodds, Mr Football, Floyd the barber,

were supportive.

Yeah, I remember Bill Beal (funny guy). I have no clue who's who on this

board. Conquistador (Glenn) was here I don't know where he's at now.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

R.S.F.F (rec sports fantasy football) Joe Bryant announces on the board he's starting a new web site. Some of the guys laughed at it (Chris Gough? and the like). Others, Greg Kellogg, D Dodds, Mr Football, Floyd the barber, were supportive. Yeah, I remember Bill Beal (funny guy). I have no clue who's who on this board. Conquistador (Glenn) was here I don't know where he's at now.

 

[cacksman]

I used to post at fftoday but then their site went down for a while. Came here. Their site is up now but nowhere near as good as it used to be.

 

[s_ezy]

cheetsheets.net around 2000-2001

 

[QUEZILLA]

I ask myself this question everyday. It's like one day I was looking at cheatsheets, and the next I was voting on which animal is cooler in the FFA, and putting everywhere.

 

[moleculo]

as far as I can recall, I found FBG on apr 14, 2003. I don't recall how, but I knew it was important at the time.

 

[Chiefs Transplant]

2000 Yahoo search "fantasy football cheatsheets" brought me to old yeller.

Dito

 

[JAA]

cheatsheets.net

 

[JAA]

as far as I can recall, I found FBG on apr 14, 2003. I don't recall how, but I knew it was important at the time.

f'n 4-digiter

 

[TC]

From it's birth at/near the rec.sports.football.fantasy newsgroup

Guys... Trust me here...Do NOT ever complain about a FBG forum until you've survived a few RSFF seasons. It was equally semi-wild and semi-mean. You needed tough skin and FF savy to just visit there.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

If you think FBGs isn't a great site then go spend your time on the boards that you like instead of showing your a-r-s-e here. Having said that, you sure as hell spend a lot of time here for someone that doesn't like the site.

FBGs has its function. Like I said, this place is loaded with statheads. And from a fantasy standpoint, that certainly has a use. I'm a bit of a stathead too. I get that. But I think anyone can tell from browsing threads in the Shark Pool, or reading subscription content, that the current staff and the current pool of posters doesn't watch a whole lot of game tape. You do realize there are people on the internet that devour that stuff with an incredible passion, and can break down the positives and negatives of a load of players at the drop of a hat, right? One of the reasons such people do not post here, is well, they can see the sort of crap that goes on these forums. They know full well that people love to snap and attack and criticize and they don't want to deal with it. They just want to analyze tape and tell you what they see. Its a big reason why you gotta shut down people like EG72. Its the wrong move for growth.I've said for years that the first thing FBGs needs to do is start filling out its staff with people who have either played the game or been in the coaching ranks.

I'm flattered that I'm so far in your head that you feel the need to mention me in every other post, but I'm not going anywhere. Sorry I haven't contributed the in depth analysis you have regarding voodoo curses and premonition dreams of players getting injured, but I've been busy doing mock drafts, writing recaps, participating in the staff/messageboard contests, the SSL and MBSL, etc.I'll tell you what, when you get a check from FBG for your contributions, then you can talk about what I write. Until then, maybe start a thread about how you saw the visage of Reggie Williams in your grilled cheese sandwich this afternoon and discuss the likely fantasy impact.

 

[Aaronstory]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.

Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

If you think FBGs isn't a great site then go spend your time on the boards that you like instead of showing your a-r-s-e here. Having said that, you sure as hell spend a lot of time here for someone that doesn't like the site.

But I think anyone can tell from browsing threads in the Shark Pool, or reading subscription content, that the current staff and the current pool of posters doesn't watch a whole lot of game tape. You do realize there are people on the internet that devour that stuff with an incredible passion, and can break down the positives and negatives of a load of players at the drop of a hat, right? I've said for years that the first thing FBGs needs to do is start filling out its staff with people who have either played the game or been in the coaching ranks.

Well, that's interesting, since real game tape isn't available to the general public. Could you please point me to this wonderous site populated with amazing football analysis from people who 'break down tape'? You do realize that watching old games taped from television broadcasts is not even close to 'breaking down tape', right?

 

[crnerblitz]

Yeah, I kicked around on the old rec boards for over a year. Those boards were brutal. I had to grow a pretty thick skin fast. I started my own fantasy website and linked to a place called Mr.Football. I had to shut my site down do to personel reasons but have been happy with that decision. I enjoy the hobby more now. Anyway followed from Mr. Football to Cheatsheats to here.

And like 3,000 other people, I too had a low hundreds member number on the yellow board. Oh well.....

Edit/spelling

 

[JAA]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

If you think FBGs isn't a great site then go spend your time on the boards that you like instead of showing your a-r-s-e here. Having said that, you sure as hell spend a lot of time here for someone that doesn't like the site.

FBGs has its function. Like I said, this place is loaded with statheads. And from a fantasy standpoint, that certainly has a use. I'm a bit of a stathead too. I get that. But I think anyone can tell from browsing threads in the Shark Pool, or reading subscription content, that the current staff and the current pool of posters doesn't watch a whole lot of game tape. You do realize there are people on the internet that devour that stuff with an incredible passion, and can break down the positives and negatives of a load of players at the drop of a hat, right? One of the reasons such people do not post here, is well, they can see the sort of crap that goes on these forums. They know full well that people love to snap and attack and criticize and they don't want to deal with it. They just want to analyze tape and tell you what they see. Its a big reason why you gotta shut down people like EG72. Its the wrong move for growth.I've said for years that the first thing FBGs needs to do is start filling out its staff with people who have either played the game or been in the coaching ranks.

I'm flattered that I'm so far in your head that you feel the need to mention me in every other post, but I'm not going anywhere. Sorry I haven't contributed the in depth analysis you have regarding voodoo curses and premonition dreams of players getting injured, but I've been busy doing mock drafts, writing recaps, participating in the staff/messageboard contests, the SSL and MBSL, etc.I'll tell you what, when you get a check from FBG for your contributions, then you can talk about what I write. Until then, maybe start a thread about how you saw the visage of Reggie Williams in your grilled cheese sandwich this afternoon and discuss the likely fantasy impact.

dang ...

 

[BGP]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

If you think FBGs isn't a great site then go spend your time on the boards that you like instead of showing your a-r-s-e here. Having said that, you sure as hell spend a lot of time here for someone that doesn't like the site.

FBGs has its function. Like I said, this place is loaded with statheads. And from a fantasy standpoint, that certainly has a use. I'm a bit of a stathead too. I get that. But I think anyone can tell from browsing threads in the Shark Pool, or reading subscription content, that the current staff and the current pool of posters doesn't watch a whole lot of game tape. You do realize there are people on the internet that devour that stuff with an incredible passion, and can break down the positives and negatives of a load of players at the drop of a hat, right? One of the reasons such people do not post here, is well, they can see the sort of crap that goes on these forums. They know full well that people love to snap and attack and criticize and they don't want to deal with it. They just want to analyze tape and tell you what they see. Its a big reason why you gotta shut down people like EG72. Its the wrong move for growth.I've said for years that the first thing FBGs needs to do is start filling out its staff with people who have either played the game or been in the coaching ranks.

I'm flattered that I'm so far in your head that you feel the need to mention me in every other post, but I'm not going anywhere. Sorry I haven't contributed the in depth analysis you have regarding voodoo curses and premonition dreams of players getting injured, but I've been busy doing mock drafts, writing recaps, participating in the staff/messageboard contests, the SSL and MBSL, etc.I'll tell you what, when you get a check from FBG for your contributions, then you can talk about what I write. Until then, maybe start a thread about how you saw the visage of Reggie Williams in your grilled cheese sandwich this afternoon and discuss the likely fantasy impact.

You obviously didn't read a word I said.The top priority is to get rid of people who cause trouble. It doesn't matter how smart they with regards to football. If they want to do inane crap like keep a personal attack in their sig for over a year, they shouldn't be here. Let's imagine you have all the talent in the world. That would make you Jeff George or Ryan Leaf.For another, I have NEVER proclaimed myself to be the ultimate football expert. If you just scroll up a little bit, you will find that I talk about how there are other people that can talk circles around every single one of us here. There isn't anyone that posts here that I'd consider an expert. There are just better people out there. But at the level of discussion this forum does have, I contribute just fine.

 

[Bri]

I will say that I can't think of one person here that impresses me with their football knowledge.

think harder, it'll come to you

 

[Bri]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

I hate it when I get that worm on the hook, then cast, then it just disappears "into thin air".

 

[BGP]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

I hate it when I get that worm on the hook, then cast, then it just disappears "into thin air".

Sorry, I never fish.I have said for years that this site needs to hire people who have directly worked with the NFL to take the next step. I feel that if this site doesn't take that step, someone else will, and then this site will lose popularity. I mean, imagine two FFL sites. One offers insight from ex-players and coaches. Another offers insight from people culled from its own FFA forum. Which is the customer more likely to pick?I know that some people will take my criticism as fishing or whatever, but I'm giving an honest assessment. And I do this because trying to help is more important than worrying if everyone will like me.

 

[Aaronstory]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.

Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

If you think FBGs isn't a great site then go spend your time on the boards that you like instead of showing your a-r-s-e here. Having said that, you sure as hell spend a lot of time here for someone that doesn't like the site.

But I think anyone can tell from browsing threads in the Shark Pool, or reading subscription content, that the current staff and the current pool of posters doesn't watch a whole lot of game tape. You do realize there are people on the internet that devour that stuff with an incredible passion, and can break down the positives and negatives of a load of players at the drop of a hat, right? I've said for years that the first thing FBGs needs to do is start filling out its staff with people who have either played the game or been in the coaching ranks.

Well, that's interesting, since real game tape isn't available to the general public. Could you please point me to this wonderous site populated with amazing football analysis from people who 'break down tape'? You do realize that watching old games taped from television broadcasts is not even close to 'breaking down tape', right?

Still waiting for that link...

 

[Jene Bramel]

I have said for years that this site needs to hire people who have directly worked with the NFL to take the next step. I feel that if this site doesn't take that step, someone else will, and then this site will lose popularity. I mean, imagine two FFL sites. One offers insight from ex-players and coaches. Another offers insight from people culled from its own FFA forum. Which is the customer more likely to pick?

I probably ought not to butt in here but I'm going to anyway. I'd guess that the customer is more likely to pick the service that provides the better content. If you honestly believe that a service full of ex-players and coaches would clearly be better than a service provided by people who strive to understand the game inside and out and devote the time to applying that understanding to fake football leagues just because of the "we played the game recognition factor" then that's cool.

However, just because a person has never played a down of professional football doesn't mean that that person is incapable of properly breaking down the game. I'm sure it helps to have played at the highest level when breaking down the subtlest nuances of the game. But for every Ron Jaworski and **** Vermeil, there's a few Joe Theismann's and Jerry Glanville's. Guys who are clueless more often than not (Theismann) or seriously struggle to communicate their knowledge (Glanville).

We may not have started with major connections inside the NFL, but there are those on staff -- Bloom most notably -- who are establishing those types of contacts. And I think it's pretty notable that our subscriber base includes NFL insiders like Adam Schefter and Mark Schlereth.

 

[moleculo]

as far as I can recall, I found FBG on apr 14, 2003. I don't recall how, but I knew it was important at the time.

f'n 4-digiter

 

[Bri]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

I hate it when I get that worm on the hook, then cast, then it just disappears "into thin air".

Sorry, I never fish.

Brian Glen Pacula that used to go to RSFF....cmon now, what's it been 10 years? 12? I think we both know ya fish from time to time.

I have said for years that this site needs to hire people who have directly worked with the NFL to take the next step. I feel that if this site doesn't take that step, someone else will, and then this site will lose popularity. I mean, imagine two FFL sites. One offers insight from ex-players and coaches. Another offers insight from people culled from its own FFA forum. Which is the customer more likely to pick?

interviews would be better(IMO) of ex NFL players and coachesFF insight would not. As someone that knows a number of (present and past)players and coaches I can tell ya they are GENERALLY inexperienced at FF.

I know that some people will take my criticism as fishing or whatever, but I'm giving an honest assessment. And I do this because trying to help is more important than worrying if everyone will like me.

It's wrong though. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion but the issues that supply that thought are incorrect. Whether a DB gets burned on pump fakes or an OL is susceptible to a swim move or how the WCO is best against a cover2 are all quite irrelevant OR just somewhat relevant to FF. If Joe lines up Curtis Martin to discuss how he'd run against the Pittsburgh D, how will that affect who you start in FF? FF is about numbers and Doc Drinen is quite good at applying numbers to FF and I know you believe he is too. People want it to be more but it's not. That's the nature of the beast. They want targets one week to predict how many catches a WR will get the next week. They want one WR sitting out two weeks with a hammy to mean that they need to pickup a WR because their WR just hurt his hammy. They want McGahee running behind Ogden to translate to a large increase in rushing stats. It's an unpredictable hobby and it's our hobby to try and make it predictable. NFL folks and "statheads" can't make it any more predictable but I'd sure rather Drinen breaking some stats down, Maurile telling us the probability of it happenning again, and Yudkin telling us it's happenned X amount of times in the history of football over some guy that used to wear a helmet saying it's likely without offerring reasoning.How do you explain Belichick and Mangini's success as coaches even though they weren't NFL players?

 

[Razor007]

I came over when Red Eye sports merged, got bought out whatever you call it with FBG's!

 

[Aaronstory]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

I hate it when I get that worm on the hook, then cast, then it just disappears "into thin air".

Sorry, I never fish.

Brian Glen Pacula that used to go to RSFF....cmon now, what's it been 10 years? 12? I think we both know ya fish from time to time.

I have said for years that this site needs to hire people who have directly worked with the NFL to take the next step. I feel that if this site doesn't take that step, someone else will, and then this site will lose popularity. I mean, imagine two FFL sites. One offers insight from ex-players and coaches. Another offers insight from people culled from its own FFA forum. Which is the customer more likely to pick?

interviews would be better(IMO) of ex NFL players and coachesFF insight would not. As someone that knows a number of (present and past)players and coaches I can tell ya they are GENERALLY inexperienced at FF.

I know that some people will take my criticism as fishing or whatever, but I'm giving an honest assessment. And I do this because trying to help is more important than worrying if everyone will like me.

It's wrong though. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion but the issues that supply that thought are incorrect. Whether a DB gets burned on pump fakes or an OL is susceptible to a swim move or how the WCO is best against a cover2 are all quite irrelevant OR just somewhat relevant to FF. If Joe lines up Curtis Martin to discuss how he'd run against the Pittsburgh D, how will that affect who you start in FF? FF is about numbers and Doc Drinen is quite good at applying numbers to FF and I know you believe he is too. People want it to be more but it's not. That's the nature of the beast. They want targets one week to predict how many catches a WR will get the next week. They want one WR sitting out two weeks with a hammy to mean that they need to pickup a WR because their WR just hurt his hammy. They want McGahee running behind Ogden to translate to a large increase in rushing stats. It's an unpredictable hobby and it's our hobby to try and make it predictable. NFL folks and "statheads" can't make it any more predictable but I'd sure rather Drinen breaking some stats down, Maurile telling us the probability of it happenning again, and Yudkin telling us it's happenned X amount of times in the history of football over some guy that used to wear a helmet saying it's likely without offerring reasoning.How do you explain Belichick and Mangini's success as coaches even though they weren't NFL players?

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

r.s.f.f.ETA: Before cheatsheets.net even existed.

me too

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

How did I find it? Did it get lost?Actually, I knew Joe a little bit from the rec.sports.football.fantasy newsgroup, and David from MrFootball.com. Went to cheetsheets.net when it started, then here. Many from the old rsff must be on this board these days under different alia. Anybody know if Bubba or Bill Beal are around? I learned not long ago that Carl Z is Fla\/\/ed. There must be a bunch more that I see here but never made the connection to the old names.

I see somebody posting under "Bubba" occasionally in the FFA -- seems to be the same guy....

 

[Rozelle]

I have said for years that this site needs to hire people who have directly worked with the NFL to take the next step. I feel that if this site doesn't take that step, someone else will, and then this site will lose popularity. I mean, imagine two FFL sites. One offers insight from ex-players and coaches. Another offers insight from people culled from its own FFA forum. Which is the customer more likely to pick?

I probably ought not to butt in here but I'm going to anyway. I'd guess that the customer is more likely to pick the service that provides the better content. If you honestly believe that a service full of ex-players and coaches would clearly be better than a service provided by people who strive to understand the game inside and out and devote the time to applying that understanding to fake football leagues just because of the "we played the game recognition factor" then that's cool.

However, just because a person has never played a down of professional football doesn't mean that that person is incapable of properly breaking down the game. I'm sure it helps to have played at the highest level when breaking down the subtlest nuances of the game. But for every Ron Jaworski and **** Vermeil, there's a few Joe Theismann's and Jerry Glanville's. Guys who are clueless more often than not (Theismann) or seriously struggle to communicate their knowledge (Glanville).

We may not have started with major connections inside the NFL, but there are those on staff -- Bloom most notably -- who are establishing those types of contacts. And I think it's pretty notable that our subscriber base includes NFL insiders like Adam Schefter and Mark Schlereth.

Hey ... Thats pretty cool!

 

[Rozelle]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

I hate it when I get that worm on the hook, then cast, then it just disappears "into thin air".

Sorry, I never fish.I have said for years that this site needs to hire people who have directly worked with the NFL to take the next step. I feel that if this site doesn't take that step, someone else will, and then this site will lose popularity. I mean, imagine two FFL sites. One offers insight from ex-players and coaches. Another offers insight from people culled from its own FFA forum. Which is the customer more likely to pick?I know that some people will take my criticism as fishing or whatever, but I'm giving an honest assessment. And I do this because trying to help is more important than worrying if everyone will like me.

We're not worthy

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

From it's birth at/near the rec.sports.football.fantasy newsgroupGuys... Trust me here...Do NOT ever complain about a FBG forum until you've survived a few RSFF seasons. It was equally semi-wild and semi-mean. You needed tough skin and FF savy to just visit there.

Thanks TC for all you have done for this hobby!

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

many from the old rsff must be on this board these days under different alia. I learned not long ago that Carl Z is Fla\/\/ed.

 

[crnerblitz]

From it's birth at/near the rec.sports.football.fantasy newsgroupGuys... Trust me here...Do NOT ever complain about a FBG forum until you've survived a few RSFF seasons. It was equally semi-wild and semi-mean. You needed tough skin and FF savy to just visit there.

Thanks TC for all you have done for this hobby!

I second that sentiment. He left one dynasty league I was in with him and it went right to pot. Somehow I won it. Enjoy TC.

 

[Jason Wood]

Someone left the door open and I snuck in

 

[matt jones]

I googled '####### hangout' and the rest as they say is history...

 

[nerangers]

2000 Google search "fantasy football cheatsheets" brought me to old yeller.

aka old Yellow!Ditto back in 2000 I think.

 

[Bri]

I googled '####### hangout' and the rest as they say is history...

football is 8 letters

 

[ravnzfan]

2000 Yahoo Google search of "fantasy football cheatsheets" brought me to old yeller.

ding-ding!

 

[Crazy8s]

2000 Yahoo Google search of "fantasy football cheatsheets" brought me to old yeller.

ding-ding!

 

[Evilgrin 72]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

If you think FBGs isn't a great site then go spend your time on the boards that you like instead of showing your a-r-s-e here. Having said that, you sure as hell spend a lot of time here for someone that doesn't like the site.

FBGs has its function. Like I said, this place is loaded with statheads. And from a fantasy standpoint, that certainly has a use. I'm a bit of a stathead too. I get that. But I think anyone can tell from browsing threads in the Shark Pool, or reading subscription content, that the current staff and the current pool of posters doesn't watch a whole lot of game tape. You do realize there are people on the internet that devour that stuff with an incredible passion, and can break down the positives and negatives of a load of players at the drop of a hat, right? One of the reasons such people do not post here, is well, they can see the sort of crap that goes on these forums. They know full well that people love to snap and attack and criticize and they don't want to deal with it. They just want to analyze tape and tell you what they see. Its a big reason why you gotta shut down people like EG72. Its the wrong move for growth.I've said for years that the first thing FBGs needs to do is start filling out its staff with people who have either played the game or been in the coaching ranks.

I'm flattered that I'm so far in your head that you feel the need to mention me in every other post, but I'm not going anywhere. Sorry I haven't contributed the in depth analysis you have regarding voodoo curses and premonition dreams of players getting injured, but I've been busy doing mock drafts, writing recaps, participating in the staff/messageboard contests, the SSL and MBSL, etc.I'll tell you what, when you get a check from FBG for your contributions, then you can talk about what I write. Until then, maybe start a thread about how you saw the visage of Reggie Williams in your grilled cheese sandwich this afternoon and discuss the likely fantasy impact.

You obviously didn't read a word I said.The top priority is to get rid of people who cause trouble. It doesn't matter how smart they with regards to football. If they want to do inane crap like keep a personal attack in their sig for over a year, they shouldn't be here. Let's imagine you have all the talent in the world. That would make you Jeff George or Ryan Leaf.For another, I have NEVER proclaimed myself to be the ultimate football expert. If you just scroll up a little bit, you will find that I talk about how there are other people that can talk circles around every single one of us here. There isn't anyone that posts here that I'd consider an expert. There are just better people out there. But at the level of discussion this forum does have, I contribute just fine.

What personal attack in my sig do you keep referring to? The quote from you saying Cowher would never win anything? Do you understand the definition of the phrase "personal attack?" It's a QUOTE from you.

 

[ravnzfan]

FBGs isn't a great site. There are other sites that absolutely CRUSH this place for information and in-depth analysis. Use FBGs strictly for a decent cheatsheet. But that's about it. The site is run and staffed by too many statheads. They do not go into in-depth detail about the game of NFL football much at all.

Eventually this site will be overtaken in popularity when someone really decides to bring the content hard.

last I checked, the intent of Joe and David was to provide FF info that is second to none....the line bolded acknowledges that you come here exactly for that same purposeI'm sure Bryant, Dodds & Co appreciate the 20 bucks you spend to join every year, to help keep this boat afloat...

...or maybe you aren't a subscriber to the paid content, due to the vast and obviously superior info you have at your finger tips w/those other sources?

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

did a Google search a few years ago on fantasy football. FBG came up as one of the hits. FBG has the best info, and the most informed staff and message board.