How do you feel about the Patriots? (1 Viewer)

[Mahoney]

I feel like over the years a lot of teams have walked away extremely frustrated by the Patriots. The Steelers, Raiders, Colts, Rams, Panthers, Eagles, Jets, of course now the Chargers. They lose a big game and walk away still thinking they are still the better team. And they either got "robbed" or the Patriots got totally lucky.

I know when the Cowboys went on their run in the early 90's I grew to loathe them due to the arrogance of their fanbase combined with the fact that they simply never seemed to lose.

I'm just wondering how polarizing the team is. Generally I think in sports when a team goes on a run over several years most people who don't call that team their favorite, grow to dislike them.

If I wasn't a Patriots fan I'm pretty sure I'd hate them, and I'd be pretty sick of hearing about Tom Brady, BB, and their "Team" atmosphere.

What do you think?

 

[massraider]

I think if you tack the word "fans" on the end of that question, you'd get a much clearer response.

 

[JohnnyU]

I had a lot of respect for Steve Grogan, Darrell Stingley, and Stanley Morgan. Those Pats were also a thorn in the side of Bert Jones and the 1970's Colts, but Bert came out on top most of the time.

 

[Davej626]

I feel like over the years a lot of teams fans have walked away extremely frustrated by the Patriots. The Steelers, Raiders, Colts, Rams, Panthers, Eagles, Jets, of course now the Chargers fans. They lose a big game and walk away still thinking they are still the better team. And they either got "robbed" or the Patriots got totally lucky.

And yet, Pats fans are called whiners around these parts. I hope the Patriots continue to just "get lucky"...

 

[Chase Stuart]

I rooted for the Pats in week 17 of the 2002 season. I had to take many showers after that.

 

[Borat]

When teams are as successful as the Patriots have been lately, it's only natural that fans across the league begin to dislike them. The main reason is, of course, jealousy. The same has happened with the 49ers, Cowboys, Steelers, Yankees, Canadiens, Lakers, and Celtics at different times over the past few decades.

As a Patriots fan, at first this irritated me a bit, but I've come to actually enjoy it and I've learned to take it as the highest compliment.

It's the same reason my fellow Red Sox fans chant "Yankees Suck." Obviously, the Yankees don't really suck; Sox fans just wish their team was as good as the Yankees.

 

[cobalt_27]

Pats have been great beating much more talented teams in their history. So, I respect Belichick very much for this. He's been able to scheme gameplans and instill discipline that allows his teams to beat opposition that has more talent.

And, I'm weary of seeing the lesser talent keep winning time and time again. Wish the Chargers, Rams, and Colts of the league would step it up one of these days. But, gotta' hand it to the ol' ball coach. He's as good as they come.

 

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Pats fan here... this run has made up for the Superbowl XX debacle.

The hate is comical, and is taken as a "compliment" toward the pats by many pats fans... There are a whole lot of folks jealous of the pats' recent success. Works for me.

This poll does suck however.. the last 3 options should be merged.. it's giving a false impression that the Pats are liked around here by diluting the "Dislke" posts into 3-4 categories.

 

[Nugget]

I'm not a fan of the Patriots, but I like watching the team. I'm sick of the fans. Don't know how to vote that option.

 

[pizzatyme]

The arrogance of thinking your team is disliked because of jealousy is hilarious to me.

I like the Patriots football team. I dislike most of the arrogant Patriots fans who don't know how to win with class.

After the game this week, the Colts fans will show you how to act with class, win or lose.

I'm sure my post will be answered with some arrogant rant about how it is a foregone conclusion that God has already laid a path for a Patriots victory. Or something of the sort.

 

[Boston]

As a Sox fan I was always irritated by many of my fellow Red Sox fans who pissed and moaned about everything the Yanks did. There was always a BS excuse for their success and their fans were arrogant and on and on and on. Listening to this always sounded like sour grapes and very small. As a Patriot fan I find many of the anti-Patriot people to be the exact same way. The Pats suck and it's always a lucky call by the refs or Brady's overrated or I don't like BB because he wears a sweatshirt (and the latest entry seems to be winning with class). The bottomline is it comes with the turf of being the topdog and I'd much rather have everyone taking aim at them than being some cute team that is always close but never gets it done.

 

[Borat]

The arrogance of thinking your team is disliked because of jealousy is hilarious to me.I like the Patriots football team. I dislike most of the arrogant Patriots fans who don't know how to win with class.After the game this week, the Colts fans will show you how to act with class, win or lose.I'm sure my post will be answered with some arrogant rant about how it is a foregone conclusion that God has already laid a path for a Patriots victory. Or something of the sort.

Oh please.I seem to recall last year, there were about 10,000 Steelers threads after they won the Super Bowl. And look how many threads there are trumping up the Saints - is it not okay for Pats fans to get excited after a big win anymore, just because we've won recently? Should we stop caring, maybe take things for granted? I also recall quite a few Patriots fans congratulating the Pittsburgh fans when they won the championship, myself included. Pretty sure you'd also find some Pats fans humbly congratulating the Colts after their two recent wins over the Pats.Sorry if it upsets you that fans get excited when their teams win. You'll just have to get over it.

 

[BGP]

You have to admire how they dominate. Its not like the Patriots have a financial advantage like the Yankees in baseball that makes it easier for them. They are 100% legit. The playing field is even. With free agency becoming a reality in 1993 right in the middle of the Cowboys dynasty run, these Patriots are actually the only dynasty in the modern era, and there's no guarantee we'll ever see anything like this again.

I can't imagine how Belichick might have dominated had he built something in the pre-free agency era.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Brady > *

He isnt perfect. He is just the best at the single most important poisition on or off the football field.

 

[Sea Bass]

I respect BB, Brady, and company and what/how they have accomplished. I don't know that I have ever met a NE fan. Most of the ones on this board are respectful, while one or two posters seem to be long winded egotistical nimrods.

 

[Borat]

I respect BB, Brady, and company and what/how they have accomplished. I don't know that I have ever met a NE fan. Most of the ones on this board are respectful, while one or two posters seem to be long winded egotistical nimrods.

 

[Bcubed2355]

I like the Patriots but I don't like the way they have won the game on Sunday. It is crying shame that every team that plays them has to beat the officials. The rules that a DB can not touch a reciever past five yards but the patriots DB can hold bump and tackle recievers all over the field and never get a penalty. Patriot get in a fight with a player from the other team the player from the other gets the penalty. If Brady gets tough after he releases the ball it's a roughing the QB. If River get smaack across the head shoved down by a patriots no penalty

 

[Borat]

I like the Patriots but I don't like the way they have won the game on Sunday. It is crying shame that every team that plays them has to beat the officials. The rules that a DB can not touch a reciever past five yards but the patriots DB can hold bump and tackle recievers all over the field and never get a penalty. Patriot get in a fight with a player from the other team the player from the other gets the penalty. If Brady gets tough after he releases the ball it's a roughing the QB. If River get smaack across the head shoved down by a patriots no penalty

Right, blame the refs. If the Patriots are really getting away with mugging receivers like you claim, then blame the other teams for not doing the same thing when they're on defense. People have been saying this about the Pats for years, but if it's true, then why haven't other teams emulated them? Hell, the Colts got the NFL to change the rules (or at least how they are enforced), and the Pats still beat them.

And every quarterback in the league gets babied, not just Tom Brady.

By the way, did you even see the flag for unsportsmanlike conduct? I don't even think Charger fans disagreed with that one.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I like the Patriots but I don't like the way they have won the game on Sunday. It is crying shame that every team that plays them has to beat the officials. The rules that a DB can not touch a reciever past five yards but the patriots DB can hold bump and tackle recievers all over the field and never get a penalty. Patriot get in a fight with a player from the other team the player from the other gets the penalty. If Brady gets tough after he releases the ball it's a roughing the QB. If River get smaack across the head shoved down by a patriots no penalty

What are you talking about?When Matt Light of the Pats was stumbling around after the Brady fumble trying to move the ball forward, Daniel Graham came in and laid a heck of a lick on Drayton Florence before the whistle. Florence got up and jumped in Grahams face and head butted him. Graham pushed him off like the flea that he was because Graham is much bigger. Graham should have gotten a penalty for that?I know most people hate to see the off setting personal fouls because it accomplishes nothing. This ref had the nads to call the penalty on the instigator. He got it right.Not sure about when Rivers got roughed. Can you help me here? I am rewatching the game now so maybe you can let me know.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I grew to loathe them due to the arrogance of their fanbase...

 

[Unlucky]

I can't imagine how Belichick might have dominated had he built something in the pre-free agency era.

Perhaps he wouldn't have. Perhaps they are so good because they aren't overloaded with ego's and me-first type players that money often brings. It's not a sure thing that more money = more wins, especially in a team game like football.As for this topic, I absolutely loathe the Patriots. I hate them. It's due entirely to jealousy. I'm OK with that. I hope they never win another game. Ever.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I grew to loathe them due to the arrogance of their fanbase...

Chaos,Is your response a reaction strictly to those you have encountered on this board? I know that Joe Bryants' loathing of Patriots fans has to do with some Patriots fans he has actually encountered in Tennessee. Not sure if that is the biggest sample size or not. I have a feeling that ICON pissed him off one day and now he hates us all.

 

[f360spyder]

Not sure about when Rivers got roughed. Can you help me here? I am rewatching the game now so maybe you can let me know.

He was kneeling down, I wanna say to end the 1st half, and after he kneeled down and the play was stopped/about to be stopped, a DT pushed him on his ###. Couldn't tell if the DT was being a #####, or Rivers was acting.As for the poll, I like seeing new blood in championships. Seeing the Patriots over and over is kinda boring.

 

[PatsWillWin]

It's true. The hate is comical.

 

[Chris Smith]

Gotta be honest... I hate... no that's not right... I loath... hold on... I despise the Patriots... Almost as much as the Jets (and that's saying something - sorry Chase).

That said... I do respect them and what they are able to accomplish on the field. They keep re-tooling and finding ways to win games. That is pretty amazing and Brady is Mr. Clutch...

 

[Pat Patriot]

Not sure about when Rivers got roughed. Can you help me here? I am rewatching the game now so maybe you can let me know.

He was kneeling down, I wanna say to end the 1st half, and after he kneeled down and the play was stopped/about to be stopped, a DT pushed him on his ###. Couldn't tell if the DT was being a #####, or Rivers was acting.As for the poll, I like seeing new blood in championships. Seeing the Patriots over and over is kinda boring.

Actually I remember that play. The Pat DLineman was being a bit overzealous on the play but the Charger OLineman pushed him into Rivers. He body bumped Rivers and he fell (a bit of acting). The reason I say not the Pats fault was that he didnt lay a hand on him. I also dont recall any roughing calls going in Brady's favor (not that he was roughed though).

 

[Tau837]

I'm not a fan of the Patriots, but I like watching the team. I'm sick of the fans. Don't know how to vote that option.

Excellent post. Agree 100%.ETA: I have a good friend from Boston who is a big Pats fan. I don't mind him at all. It is essentially the fans on this board, and to a lesser degree the media hype, that I'm tired of.To be fair, I was sick of it when Dallas was on top, too, so it isn't limited to just Pats fans. I was happy enough last year, even though I'm not a Steeler fan... I felt the Steelers fans reacted more with joy than arrogance. I think the Pats fans did that too, after the first Super Bowl. Somewhere between the second and third, the arrogance and entitlement developed.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I'm not a fan of the Patriots, but I like watching the team. I'm sick of the fans. Don't know how to vote that option.

Excellent post. Agree 100%.ETA: I have a good friend from Boston who is a big Pats fan. I don't mind him at all. It is essentially the fans on this board, and to a lesser degree the media hype, that I'm tired of.To be fair, I was sick of it when Dallas was on top, too, so it isn't limited to just Pats fans. I was happy enough last year, even though I'm not a Steeler fan... I felt the Steelers fans reacted more with joy than arrogance. I think the Pats fans did that too, after the first Super Bowl. Somewhere between the second and third, the arrogance and entitlement developed.

Can you explain the sense of entitlement that you refer to?I think it is a complete faith in Brady and Belichick that is mistaken for arrogance. Yes, we almost ALWAYS think the Pats will win in the Playoffs. It is because that is the history of Brady. I spent Saturday night with a house full of Eagles fans. Should we be like them and expect the worst every game? I dont get it.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I grew to loathe them due to the arrogance of their fanbase...

Chaos,Is your response a reaction strictly to those you have encountered on this board? I know that Joe Bryants' loathing of Patriots fans has to do with some Patriots fans he has actually encountered in Tennessee. Not sure if that is the biggest sample size or not. I have a feeling that ICON pissed him off one day and now he hates us all.

No, I migrated to this board because Joe, David and Co. try to keep the conversation somewhat respectable. I appreciate that. I came from a board where that simply isn't the case. And the Pats fans there were intolerable during the 3 outta 4. I am a Cowboy fan. I know exactly what Mahoney refers to in the quote above. I found my own favorite team's fanbase deplorable, and it didn't bother me at all that Dallas became so hated. I understood. "We" were arrogant pigs. Now "you" are. One thing I do remember about the obnoxious and oppressive Cowboy bandwagon was that it filled with fair weather fans who predictably abandoned the team as soon as it struggled. To me and many other Cowboy fans, those disloyal faithless strays were never true fans to begin with. They just climbed aboard and brought all kinds of ugliness along and stained us all. I fought with them then and I do not welcome them back ever. With the Pats the obnoxious, unsportsmanlike, arrogant, creeps seem to be indigenous to the true fanbase, and it's very hard to find Pat fans standing up to them and calling for a little class and sportsmanship. They'd rather brow beat, word whip, fact twist, trash talk and chest thump their way through. Whatever. Of course I talk in sweeping generalizations that represent a portion of the fans, and here at FBG, thanks to the "excellent" rules, we have a better batch of Pat fans than anywhere else I know of. Most of the Pat fans I know on the net refer to this place as footballgays. Go Colts.

 

[Tau837]

I'm not a fan of the Patriots, but I like watching the team. I'm sick of the fans. Don't know how to vote that option.

Excellent post. Agree 100%.ETA: I have a good friend from Boston who is a big Pats fan. I don't mind him at all. It is essentially the fans on this board, and to a lesser degree the media hype, that I'm tired of.To be fair, I was sick of it when Dallas was on top, too, so it isn't limited to just Pats fans. I was happy enough last year, even though I'm not a Steeler fan... I felt the Steelers fans reacted more with joy than arrogance. I think the Pats fans did that too, after the first Super Bowl. Somewhere between the second and third, the arrogance and entitlement developed.

Can you explain the sense of entitlement that you refer to?I think it is a complete faith in Brady and Belichick that is mistaken for arrogance. Yes, we almost ALWAYS think the Pats will win in the Playoffs. It is because that is the history of Brady. I spent Saturday night with a house full of Eagles fans. Should we be like them and expect the worst every game? I dont get it.

No, I can't really explain it, but I think the non Pats fans know what I'm talking about. I don't mind confidence in your team, but I don't like arrogance. It can be a fine line, and it gets crossed a lot around here.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I think this alleged arrogance of the Patriots fans probably stems from them constantly having to defend the Patriots against accusations of them being lucky (the Tuck Rule) or overrated.

Of course, there are exceptions, as every fanbase has its share of arrogant fans, but when a team has as much success as the Patriots have had over the last five years, that arrogance is going to appear more obvious.

Ultimately, I do not like or hate the Patriots.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I'm not a fan of the Patriots, but I like watching the team. I'm sick of the fans. Don't know how to vote that option.

Excellent post. Agree 100%.

Yep. I am the same way. I like this football team. I hate the Pats. Go figure.Brady has been great and he's been a dignified solid leader. I have no problem with him and a lot of respect.Belichick gets roasted, but you have never seen me type a negative word. I like all the coaches from the Parcells/BB line and BB is the most successful of them all. Nothing but respect from me again.I was a Corey Dillon fan since he was in college and I always thought him misunderstood in Cincy. Nice to see him prove what a team guy he is. Vrabel has probably been the most underestimated player in the NFL for a decade. What a great player and another solid citizen. I could go on and on, almost player by player. Bruschi is probably the only Pat I don't care for. Most teams have more than one.It is exactly what Mahoney hated about Dallas, and what Nugget saind and JWB agreed with. The fans became nauseating. You want this team to lose so the fans can lose. Really there's no other good reason unless they're playing your team.

 

[BGP]

I think this alleged arrogance of the Patriots fans probably stems from them constantly having to defend the Patriots against accusations of them being lucky (the Tuck Rule) or overrated.

The dripping irony of that is the fact that the Raiders escaped Cleveland Stadium with a 14-12 playoff win in 1980 on the infamous "Red-Right 88" play where Sipe threw the pick when the Browns had it in the red zone in the 4th quarter. And then they went on to win the Super Bowl. Boy did that sting Cleveland. So its rather satisfying to see them get stung.

 

[MSULions]

I have a remarkably visceral hatred of the Patriots and I want them to lose - badly.

all of which means they will be ruining yet another super bowl for me

 

[valhallan]

To me, the 00's Pats are much easier to stomach than the 90's Cowboys.

And I respect their QB a bit more.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

I haven't liked Belichick since his days in Cleveland. I recall one of his first interviews there he was on a stationary bike and rudely told the interviewer to get lost he didn't have time to talk. Then he had the nerve to cut Browns legend Bernie Kosar I do have tremendous respect for him and the Patriots on the football field but I have a hard time feeling good for him when I see his personality and family issues. Contrast that to Tony Dungy who by all counts is a great guy, just can't win the big game.

 

[LHUCKS]

Hard not to appreciate their excellence.

 

[[icon]]

@ this thread

And for the record I have picked Indy over NE this weekend.

 

[[icon]]

I have a feeling that ICON pissed him off one day and now he hates us all.

 

[Phlash]

I haven't liked Belichick since his days in Cleveland. I recall one of his first interviews there he was on a stationary bike and rudely told the interviewer to get lost he didn't have time to talk. Then he had the nerve to cut Browns legend Bernie Kosar I do have tremendous respect for him and the Patriots on the football field but I have a hard time feeling good for him when I see his personality and family issues. Contrast that to Tony Dungy who by all counts is a great guy, just can't win the big game.

Lets not go down this road...

 

[parasaurolophus]

I dont really like the Patriots very much, which is odd for me, because i usually like teams like this. I was a huge Pistons fan in the late 80's. I loved the Rockets when they won as a 6 seed and had all those comeback wins in the playoffs. Loved the Dodgers when they spanked the "bash brothers" in the world series.

I guess the thing I dont like is that other than 2004 when they were clearly the best team, i feel like their run has been extremely lucky. I dont remember Dallas getting all these lucky plays, or SF. They were dynasties and they were dominant. They destroyed teams in the playoffs. The Pats just kinda sneak by always and there are a bunch of fluke plays. I like watching and having no doubt that I saw the best team win.

In 2000 they got super lucky against the Raiders. Then against the steelers they got a punt return for TD and a blocked FG return for TD and Bledsoe threw the TD pass. Then in the SB Martz coached one of the worst games ever and the pats DBs manhandled STL and got away with it all game. Brady threw one TD pass this whole postseason.

In 2003 they got the benefit of the doubt on a lot of calls against Indy and barely squeaked one by carolina.

I just remember SF whooping on Denver in the SB and it made it crystal clear who the best team was. Thats all i want. Lay down an ### whoopin.

 

[pizzatyme]

I haven't liked Belichick since his days in Cleveland. I recall one of his first interviews there he was on a stationary bike and rudely told the interviewer to get lost he didn't have time to talk. Then he had the nerve to cut Browns legend Bernie Kosar I do have tremendous respect for him and the Patriots on the football field but I have a hard time feeling good for him when I see his personality and family issues. Contrast that to Tony Dungy who by all counts is a great guy, just can't win the big game.

Come on now, I've been as hard on Dungy as anyone on this board, but you can't say last weekend wasn't a big game. Not to mention the win against the Chiefs. Not many thought the Colts had a chance in that game against LJ either.This week a win should erase all doubt about Dungy and Manning for that matter and their ability to win big games.

 

[Sopranos]

As a Colts fan i voted, i dont mind them. Do i like them? No. But they win and deserve it. Go Colts

 

[PMENFAN]

Not sure about when Rivers got roughed. Can you help me here? I am rewatching the game now so maybe you can let me know.

He was kneeling down, I wanna say to end the 1st half, and after he kneeled down and the play was stopped/about to be stopped, a DT pushed him on his ###. Couldn't tell if the DT was being a #####, or Rivers was acting.As for the poll, I like seeing new blood in championships. Seeing the Patriots over and over is kinda boring.

It was at the end of the game, and the player was Jarvis Green. Rivers took a flop. He was barely touched, after spiking the ball, after spiking the ball to stop the clock. Rivers took a flop, trying to draw a penalty, smart play. I applaud Green for fighting through. YOu don't know that he's going to stop the clock. He didn't hit him, Rivers fell. NO roughing, no penalty, no call. More sour grapes here. Exactly the commentary from the booth. As for the poll, I feel the same way abou the Yankees that the Patriot haters do about the Pats. I hate them because of the Success. Only the Pats do it on a level field. I'm just enjoying the ride. I enjoy the business model as much as the football. It is irritating to see the stuff like this. What about the third down play where Caldwell was hooked around the waist and pulled, and no call? Was that the refs working for the pats too? Blatant PI, but no call. Calls are missed, and in general, it evens out over the game, and hopefully they have no bearing on the game. How do you avoid that? Play better and put the game away sooner.

 

[ThisGuy]

I like the Patriots. Tom Brady is a guy you want to watch play. Belichick is one hell of a coach. Watching this team execute his game plans the last 5 years has been fun to watch.

Of course, Patriots fans will tell you how great this team is ad nauseam. It does wear on you after a while.

I'm excited to watch this game because I knew it would come down to this. A part of me wants Peyton to exorcise his demons and go to the Super Bowl. A part of me doesn't because I have a feeling the Colts fans will quickly take the place of Pats fans.

My team is out so I will be all Sunday watching this game. I think with Peyton getting the Pats in his house for a change, the results might be different. Too bad for the Pats too, because winter is set to arrive (finally!) sometime today.

 

[thesurfshop19]

I've always liked the Patriots (when not playing the Broncos, of course!) and am an especially big Brady fan.

I think one thing I've come to realize over the years is that Patriots fans are among the most passionate about their team, and that's why you get more vocal posturing from their fans than you get from other fans.

The fans also seem to mirror their head coach in creating slights in order to feel disrespected. It's a very effective approach but even Patriots fans have to see that it can wear on people eventually.

As for jealousy -- of course it's jealousy! But when you see Pats associating themselves with the Patriots' success, it seems a bit misplaced.

You know what? Tom Brady is from California and went to school in Michigan, not New England. Just saying!

(And yes, I know, John Elway and TD are from California, Champ Bailey from Georgia, coach Shanahan from Illinois, etc ...)

 

[TC]

.. I felt the Steelers fans reacted more with joy than arrogance. I think the Pats fans did that too, after the first Super Bowl. Somewhere between the second and third, the arrogance and entitlement developed.

 

[malice]

For me, I think Belichick is somewhat of a ##### in the spotlight. Look- when you're a head coach in the NFL and you have the success you do, you're going to be questioned by the media and you're going to get some questions that you might not want to hear. So shoving cameramen, holding a grudge against your former assistant coach, and acting grumpy in press conferences are things you should learn to deal with as a multi-million dollar head coach for a premier NFL franchise.

Belichick aside, I also feel the front office's treatment of the WRs asking for credit where credit's due is a crappy way of doing business. Whether you fumble 1-2 times in a season or get awarded the Super Bowl MVP, you're equally dispensable. It's not like these guys are prima donna WRs...they come out and do what's asked of them, then get shown the door when they ask for compensation. It's like they worship Brady and it doesn't matter who else you put around him as long as Tommy Boy is on the field.

Speaking of Brady, he's good at operating within the fine line of the rules. He's a master at making intentional grounding look like a valid play. I also can't help but hold a grudge against him for the dumbest rule in all of football (the tuck rule) which paved the way to his first ring.

At least as a Broncos fan, I know they're not indestructible...I just wish Shanahan would share his secret so other teams would take them out too.

 

[ChromeWeasel]

I've always liked the Patriots (when not playing the Broncos, of course!) and am an especially big Brady fan.

I think one thing I've come to realize over the years is that Patriots fans are among the most passionate about their team, and that's why you get more vocal posturing from their fans than you get from other fans.

The fans also seem to mirror their head coach in creating slights in order to feel disrespected. It's a very effective approach but even Patriots fans have to see that it can wear on people eventually.

As for jealousy -- of course it's jealousy! But when you see Pats associating themselves with the Patriots' success, it seems a bit misplaced.

You know what? Tom Brady is from California and went to school in Michigan, not New England. Just saying!

(And yes, I know, John Elway and TD are from California, Champ Bailey from Georgia, coach Shanahan from Illinois, etc ...)

I'm just happy with Pats fans as long as we act decent in the stadium. Dont boo your own team, dont cheer when players get injured, and dont beat people up in the stands. Things that get written on message forums arent any way to evaluate a whole fanbase. Overall Pats fans behave pretty well. I can see the no respect thing wearing on people, but honestly that's nothing to hold against us.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I dont really like the Patriots very much, which is odd for me, because i usually like teams like this. I was a huge Pistons fan in the late 80's. I loved the Rockets when they won as a 6 seed and had all those comeback wins in the playoffs. Loved the Dodgers when they spanked the "bash brothers" in the world series.

I guess the thing I dont like is that other than 2004 when they were clearly the best team, i feel like their run has been extremely lucky. I dont remember Dallas getting all these lucky plays, or SF. They were dynasties and they were dominant. They destroyed teams in the playoffs. The Pats just kinda sneak by always and there are a bunch of fluke plays. I like watching and having no doubt that I saw the best team win.

In 2000 they got super lucky against the Raiders. Then against the steelers they got a punt return for TD and a blocked FG return for TD and Bledsoe threw the TD pass. Then in the SB Martz coached one of the worst games ever and the pats DBs manhandled STL and got away with it all game. Brady threw one TD pass this whole postseason.

In 2003 they got the benefit of the doubt on a lot of calls against Indy and barely squeaked one by carolina.

I just remember SF whooping on Denver in the SB and it made it crystal clear who the best team was. Thats all i want. Lay down an ### whoopin.

1. The Pats won the 2003 game against Indy by double digits. The were ahead 15-0 at the half. The sacked Manning 4 times (he never gets sacked) and picked him off 4 times.2. The 2005 AFC championship against a 15-1 Steelers team on the road wasnt enough of an ### whooping for you? The SB against the Eagles was close for a half but the final was closer than the game actually was. The Pats dominated the 2H. They were NEVER in danger of losing that game in the 4th qtr.