How do you guys feel about "Table Talk" at your draft? (1 Viewer)

[Jersey35]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

 

[Hoss Style]

But if you're playing in a league (depending upon scoring system, of course) where Rice still being available at 1.06 is going to be something where dropping his name is going to get 2-3 dumb###es to think "oh yeah! I forgot about him. Man, he's still available?!," then maybe it's time to see how many fish are starting to rot in your "barrel," or if you need to go on a diet after eating all of those neighborhood kids' candy.

Yeah, that is exactly like my scenario with the 10th round sleeper.

A lot more similar than you might think. As when half the guys you're playing with are on the FBGs payroll with their position-by-position rankings in redraft/dyansty posted on the FBGs website, it's pretty hard for them to hide the fact that they like "Denarius Moore" way more than your average eekspurt does. Not to mention when they are personally listed against other eekspurts on sites such as: www.fantasypros.com. And everyone in the league sees that they are the guy ranking Cam Newton as the QB19 in the NFL, while most other guys in the league are placing Newton more around QB 25-30. You want to really have some fun? Play in a league where most of your owners' cheatsheets are publicly available for everyone else in the league to see...as the draft is going on. Kinda makes the idea of table talk and getting upset because someone happened to mention that "Jacquizz Rodgers" is still available around two rounds after his ADP seem kind of trivial/silly.

Sounds like this league has almost nothing to do with what the OP was talking about. Also, to me, the much more difficult league is one where you don't know everyone's picks posted publicly.

That being said - just to throw this out there I play in a league with few NFL Assistant coaches, some head coaches, a few GMs, a psychic (a real one), a few guys who are on the Milky Way Council of Fantasy Football Experts ("Milk Experts" are what those who are "in the know" call them) and some aliens we actually met the other year. Cool story - Jesus was at our draft party (he runs his dad's team) and he introduced us.

(checks penis size)

You've got a nice little league though, as well.

 

[Ghost Rider]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.In my league this year, we had an auction for IDP players (our first year doing IDP and we are a cap league). After one owner had filled his roster (he was one of the first) he proceeded to start recommending players for other owners to put up for bid and telling people players were going for too little. As some owners had clearly intentionally passed on high-profile players early to save money to grab value late, I, as commissioner asked the owner to stop - since he was out of the running for players and shouldn't be affecting the outcome.He refused. Other owners asked him to stop. He refused - claiming that he was only trying to even the playing field - stating that he could tell some owners hadn't done their research and they needed help against others who had a clear "unfair" advantage because they had done their research. Additionally he said that he believed some owners intentionally bid up players early so they could grab guys cheaper later, and it was only fair that he work to prevent that. After asking him to stop 5 times and his repeated refusal, I changed his password, effectively booting him from the auction chat.I've since reinstated him - after an apology of sorts - but I still don't believe he thinks he did anything wrong.What do you think?

i think you did the right thing. It is not his job to help the clueless and hurt the knowledgeable ones. If your story had ended with you having kicked him out of the league, I would have had no problem with it.

 

[mbuehner]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

Well, you're right that its a terrible analogy, i'll give you that. Btw how is another owner not an active participant? Do you want to forbid trash talking of picks (or praising for that matter) because it might impact a potential trade decision? If somebody laughs at a Ryan Grant pick and it inspires the owner to draft another RB the next round, is that a problem? Like I said, if you want to play the game in a cone of silence lest somebody receive some good (or bad, we havent even talked about that) advice, go for it.

 

[Daywalker]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.In my league this year, we had an auction for IDP players (our first year doing IDP and we are a cap league). After one owner had filled his roster (he was one of the first) he proceeded to start recommending players for other owners to put up for bid and telling people players were going for too little. As some owners had clearly intentionally passed on high-profile players early to save money to grab value late, I, as commissioner asked the owner to stop - since he was out of the running for players and shouldn't be affecting the outcome.He refused. Other owners asked him to stop. He refused - claiming that he was only trying to even the playing field - stating that he could tell some owners hadn't done their research and they needed help against others who had a clear "unfair" advantage because they had done their research. Additionally he said that he believed some owners intentionally bid up players early so they could grab guys cheaper later, and it was only fair that he work to prevent that. After asking him to stop 5 times and his repeated refusal, I changed his password, effectively booting him from the auction chat.I've since reinstated him - after an apology of sorts - but I still don't believe he thinks he did anything wrong.What do you think?

i think you did the right thing. It is not his job to help the clueless and hurt the knowledgeable ones. If your story had ended with you having kicked him out of the league, I would have had no problem with it.

I don't think he should be suggesting guys to be nominated. Although saying, "Geez one elite WR left. Can't believe he's still out there." Is fine in my book.Once a player is nominated every owner should have the right to say whatever they want. In thier interests and most of the leagues to drive up the prices if possible.Plus it's fun as hell and the nature of most auctions where the auctioneer describes/praises the item up for bid.

 

[Four Horsemen]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

What Jersey 35 said.

There seems to be this misconception that people that are against "table talk" are against "trash talk" and what everybody "to act like they're in church" are are "anti-fun."

It's two completely different issues.

I love to run smack and I like to think I'm pretty good at it. Now, there are lines that I don't cross but I can be as sarcastic and biting as anybody. When I drafted Tony Romo earlier today one of the local affiliate sports anchors yelled at in the bar, "You mean Tony HOMO?" I replied, "Yes, it's that rapier quick wit why you're on television. BTW, TMZ on line 3. It's for you." I'll admit I'm not a standup comedian and that may not have been the best smack ever, but I just wanted to point out that I'm not anti-smack or anti-fun.

But there's a big difference between stuff like that and saying things that affect the draft and competition.

Jersey35's poker analogy is correct. Guys like Mike Matusow and Phil Hellmuth run their mouths constantly while they're at a poker table and ESPN loves them for it. But they don't speculate on cards, actions, or hands they're not in while the hand is in play.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Although saying, "Geez one elite WR left. Can't believe he's still out there." Is fine in my book.

You would be surprised how many skulls split open and they wet their pants when that happens. What people don't seem to realize is that everyone knows who's available and most likely the person sitting next to you knows just as much as you do. With universal cheatsheets and the internet, people are informed equally for the most part. A lot of you don't want to admit that

 

[Four Horsemen]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

Well, you're right that its a terrible analogy, i'll give you that. Btw how is another owner not an active participant? Do you want to forbid trash talking of picks (or praising for that matter) because it might impact a potential trade decision? If somebody laughs at a Ryan Grant pick and it inspires the owner to draft another RB the next round, is that a problem? Like I said, if you want to play the game in a cone of silence lest somebody receive some good (or bad, we havent even talked about that) advice, go for it.

I disagree with your take but I love your sig.

 

[Jersey35]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

Well, you're right that its a terrible analogy, i'll give you that. Btw how is another owner not an active participant? Do you want to forbid trash talking of picks (or praising for that matter) because it might impact a potential trade decision? If somebody laughs at a Ryan Grant pick and it inspires the owner to draft another RB the next round, is that a problem? Like I said, if you want to play the game in a cone of silence lest somebody receive some good (or bad, we havent even talked about that) advice, go for it.

It's not a terrible analogy. It's just not a perfect analogy - in other words, it's not the exact same thing... or it wouldn't be an analogy, it would actually be the situation alluded to. Wow.Did you even read my post? Do you understand how auctions work? If not, you might be out of your element commenting. In auctions, sometimes some people fill their roster before others have - so yes, they are actually no longer active participants.

There is plenty of room for trash talking and tons of fun at a draft, razzing guys for their pick after they've been made, etc. Why is it always so black and white with some of you people? Either everything is fair game or nothing is? "Cone of silence." Sheesh.

 

[Raider Nation]

What people don't seem to realize is that everyone knows who's available

Big Red X.Is that why the same guys, year after year ask if five different guys are still available every time they pick between rounds 10 and 20?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Our league has been at it for far too long and filled with veterans... so you can say anything you like at anytime.

It doesn't change anything.

 

[Jersey35]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.In my league this year, we had an auction for IDP players (our first year doing IDP and we are a cap league). After one owner had filled his roster (he was one of the first) he proceeded to start recommending players for other owners to put up for bid and telling people players were going for too little. As some owners had clearly intentionally passed on high-profile players early to save money to grab value late, I, as commissioner asked the owner to stop - since he was out of the running for players and shouldn't be affecting the outcome.He refused. Other owners asked him to stop. He refused - claiming that he was only trying to even the playing field - stating that he could tell some owners hadn't done their research and they needed help against others who had a clear "unfair" advantage because they had done their research. Additionally he said that he believed some owners intentionally bid up players early so they could grab guys cheaper later, and it was only fair that he work to prevent that. After asking him to stop 5 times and his repeated refusal, I changed his password, effectively booting him from the auction chat.I've since reinstated him - after an apology of sorts - but I still don't believe he thinks he did anything wrong.What do you think?

i think you did the right thing. It is not his job to help the clueless and hurt the knowledgeable ones. If your story had ended with you having kicked him out of the league, I would have had no problem with it.

I almost did kick him out. Not so much for the party foul, but for the fact that he blatantly continued it despite myself and numerous other owners asking him to knock it off.To be clear: when we auction, pretty much any table talk and smack talk (different things) go, outside of probably something like saying "hey that guy you're bidding against only has $x left, you should just bid that number" . Unless you are no longer a participant in the auction - as in: you've already finished drafting your team. Go ahead and tell people they paid too much for so and so, or got a great deal on so and so, but only AFTER that particular auction is complete - otherwise you are impacting the outcome.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

What people don't seem to realize is that everyone knows who's available

Big Red X.Is that why the same guys, year after year ask if five different guys are still available every time they pick between rounds 10 and 20?

I guess there are exceptions for the drunks. If they aren't drunk and make those type of mistakes, then you probably shouldn't be playing in leagues with those type of owners unless you like playing with guppies. For the most part I don't play in leagues with those type of owners.

 

[Hoss Style]

I still think it all depends on your league.

It doesn't matter how many people say "My league does this" it doesn't mean it's right. Whatever the status quo in your league is determines what goes.

If you're in a league where everyone blurts out stuff that's fine for that league. If you're not then that's fine, too.

My main league happens to be a mix but you can bet if I went to another league I'd learn they way they did things real quick out of respect to the vets. Just use common sense.

 

[Tom Hagen]

We have a $10 fine for mentioning a player that hasn't been drafted yet or taking a player that has already been drafted. The money goes toward the party at the end of the year. Nobody reallly takes it too seriously, we usually just laugh at the offender and then collect the money at the end of the draft.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Look, it's bad form, period. If what you say influences how someone else drafts, it's not right. You don't need penalties or rules. Just say "stop."

 

[huntunc]

We had a guy take Ben Tate 4th overall (4 player keeper) last year. It really hurt him going forward, but think it was only fair that we all told him and he was able to spend too early on other RBs. Its hard to find the balance of having a good time. My thought is that its not a job, even with money on the line, its still a hobby and you play in leagues (espescially live) with guys you have a good time with and can #### talk w/.

 

[Christo]

In some ways I compare it to folding your hand in a poker game, then walking around the room, looking at other players' hands and making "suggestions" to other players. If you aren't in the game, you shouldn't affect the outcome. If it isn't your pick, you aren't "in" the game, and you shouldn't affect the outcome.

That analogy only makes sense if the guy is looking at other peoples cheat sheets and talking about them. Otherwise this is like getting bent out of shape about people talking about poker in a poker game. If you dont want to be around people talking about the activity you are engaging in, play online and shut yourself in your basement. Nobodys sharing hidden or privileged information here.

I knew I'd regret making any sort of analogy here in the Shark Pool, where it seems the analogy police are always on patrol. Note where I say "In some ways"... and a great example of reading comprehension where you completely ignore the actual point of the post which is: impacting the outcome of events in which you are not an active participant.

Well, you're right that its a terrible analogy, i'll give you that. Btw how is another owner not an active participant? Do you want to forbid trash talking of picks (or praising for that matter) because it might impact a potential trade decision? If somebody laughs at a Ryan Grant pick and it inspires the owner to draft another RB the next round, is that a problem? Like I said, if you want to play the game in a cone of silence lest somebody receive some good (or bad, we havent even talked about that) advice, go for it.

Can't let go of the bad analogies, huh?

 

[Runningman]

It is a Jabroni move but part of the game. I love the table talk, ecspecially when you can use it to drive people's draft. If it pisses other guys off all the better. I put it on the same level as the bluff in poker. Part of the game which is an art form few people understand. If someone isn't pissed at me when I leave a draft then I haven't done my job. I have even broken out the in-law jokes to stir up the old family league.

Me: What is the diference between inlaws and outlaws?

Father in law: What?

Me: Outlaws are wanted.

Father in law: Laughs

Brother in law : Pissed look on face.

Me: Mission accomplished.

 

[Four Horsemen]

It is a Jabroni move but part of the game. I love the table talk, ecspecially when you can use it to drive people's draft. If it pisses other guys off all the better. I put it on the same level as the bluff in poker. Part of the game which is an art form few people understand. If someone isn't pissed at me when I leave a draft then I haven't done my job. I have even broken out the in-law jokes to stir up the old family league. Me: What is the diference between inlaws and outlaws?Father in law: What?Me: Outlaws are wanted. Father in law: LaughsBrother in law : Pissed look on face.Me: Mission accomplished.

That's it? That's your big move? And you're so proud of it that you posted here?You're not a master of head games. You're just lame.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

I'll give an example if you don't know what I mean.You have your sights set on one major sleeper. His name is Joe Blow. It's the 10th round, and this is right about where you had him targeted. A couple of picks before you, Bob is on the clock. Some bigmouth in your league says "Hey Bob... JOE BLOW IS STILL AVAILABLE! He's gonna break out this year. You should take him!!!"This has happened in my leagues, many times. If the blabbermouth owner really feels that way, why announce it to everyone else?This behavior, to me, is completely unacceptable and should be met with immediate eviction from the league, if not Capital punishment.What say you?

You really want to throw someone out of a league for speaking openly about who is still available at the draft? That's sad. Try to enjoy fantasy football as a fun hobby with friends, and stop looking at it as a battle between enemies.

No kidding. I was shocked to see all the support for the OP. If owner A talks owner B into taking my guy it would be annoying, but who cares. It's still owner B's choice, so I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.

 

[Runningman]

It is a Jabroni move but part of the game. I love the table talk, ecspecially when you can use it to drive people's draft. If it pisses other guys off all the better. I put it on the same level as the bluff in poker. Part of the game which is an art form few people understand. If someone isn't pissed at me when I leave a draft then I haven't done my job. I have even broken out the in-law jokes to stir up the old family league. Me: What is the diference between inlaws and outlaws?Father in law: What?Me: Outlaws are wanted. Father in law: LaughsBrother in law : Pissed look on face.Me: Mission accomplished.

That's it? That's your big move? And you're so proud of it that you posted here?You're not a master of head games. You're just lame.

Pissing people off isn't rocket science. All some guy has to do is name the original OP's double bubble sleeper and he gets all pissed off and makes a whole thread about it. The guy that mentioned it probably wasn't even thinking about trying to piss some one off, he was just trying to help a buddy or look smart. By the way you sound like you would be a perfect canidate for the "I slept with your sister and or mom" trick.

 

[Sarnoff]

Rumor has it that several FBG Staff Members have done this in the Ultimate Survivor drafts...

 

[Four Horsemen]

It is a Jabroni move but part of the game. I love the table talk, ecspecially when you can use it to drive people's draft. If it pisses other guys off all the better. I put it on the same level as the bluff in poker. Part of the game which is an art form few people understand. If someone isn't pissed at me when I leave a draft then I haven't done my job. I have even broken out the in-law jokes to stir up the old family league. Me: What is the diference between inlaws and outlaws?Father in law: What?Me: Outlaws are wanted. Father in law: LaughsBrother in law : Pissed look on face.Me: Mission accomplished.

That's it? That's your big move? And you're so proud of it that you posted here?You're not a master of head games. You're just lame.

Pissing people off isn't rocket science. All some guy has to do is name the original OP's double bubble sleeper and he gets all pissed off and makes a whole thread about it. The guy that mentioned it probably wasn't even thinking about trying to piss some one off, he was just trying to help a buddy or look smart. By the way you sound like you would be a perfect canidate for the "I slept with your sister and or mom" trick.

YawnI wouldn't be pissed. I would just wonder how sad it is for you to go through life an unfunny, unpopular, socially inept loser with no imagination and no clue.Seriously? "I slept with your mom" trick. Do you want some help thinking of some stuff to say? Because it sounds like you could use some help. Do you want me to come up with something original or clever you might say to me?

 

[Runningman]

It is a Jabroni move but part of the game. I love the table talk, ecspecially when you can use it to drive people's draft. If it pisses other guys off all the better. I put it on the same level as the bluff in poker. Part of the game which is an art form few people understand. If someone isn't pissed at me when I leave a draft then I haven't done my job. I have even broken out the in-law jokes to stir up the old family league. Me: What is the diference between inlaws and outlaws?Father in law: What?Me: Outlaws are wanted. Father in law: LaughsBrother in law : Pissed look on face.Me: Mission accomplished.

That's it? That's your big move? And you're so proud of it that you posted here?You're not a master of head games. You're just lame.

Pissing people off isn't rocket science. All some guy has to do is name the original OP's double bubble sleeper and he gets all pissed off and makes a whole thread about it. The guy that mentioned it probably wasn't even thinking about trying to piss some one off, he was just trying to help a buddy or look smart. By the way you sound like you would be a perfect canidate for the "I slept with your sister and or mom" trick.

YawnI wouldn't be pissed. I would just wonder how sad it is for you to go through life an unfunny, unpopular, socially inept loser with no imagination and no clue.Seriously? "I slept with your mom" trick. Do you want some help thinking of some stuff to say? Because it sounds like you could use some help. Do you want me to come up with something original or clever you might say to me?

Sure I would love to hear your original and clever material. Although topping the unfunny, unpopular, socially inept loser with no imagination and no clue, may be hard. Don't strain yourself.

 

[Raider Nation]

I feel like I got to my draft early.

 

[WisWolvrns]

We had the no undrafted players being mentioned during the draft. Many times people hear a name and cross them off their list. Especially with our draft being 30 rounds with full 11 IDP starters. It took around 5-6 hours and overall with 360 picks it moves along. So people tend to not pay 100% attention to who is specifically being picked at times as they plan out where they are going with their next pick. So if they hear a name, we had times where someone mistakenly crossed the said player off their list. So we don't allow it. And believe me, we have a heck a lot of smack talk. Albeit, it is focused on what players have already been drafted.

There is a difference in 'table talk' and 'trash talk' too. Definitely different things. One is trying to have any guppies screw up your opponents chances, the other is just friendly (mostly) banter.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Look, it's bad form, period. If what you say influences how someone else drafts, it's not right. You don't need penalties or rules. Just say "stop."

This.-QG

 

[oukurt]

Agree with you Raider. Like nails down a chalk board for me. Especially with all my leagues being cash leagues. These guys that do this stuff are worse than the guys driving 55 in the passing lane.

 

[Black]

In my leagues, even as a joke, we prefer that people don't coach or call out names.

I mean, if you are yelling "Matt Leinart!", no one cares, but no player on any draft list should be mentioned outloud until after that player is taken. (The mocking of picks is welcome, and in fact, encouraged).

It happened once I think? Since then, people are pretty courteous and don't say anything.

 

[rascal]

FWIW, the commish and I talked and he apologized and realized he screwed up.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I don't see the issue. At least half the crap we say during the draft is dis-information anyways. I think if you are in a competitive league with smart guys, there shouldn't be any owners that don't already know the names....rendering name dropping pointless and just a fun part of draft chat. Just my 2 cents.

My take as well.If you're playing in a league where someone has to be reminded/told who to draft and it really does make a difference, it's time to move up to the big leagues.Plus, the owners doing the talking are trying to better their team...by keeping a good player off a good team. Just return the favor a pick or two before their next one.I don't think it's unethical on it's face. Table talk can be part of the draft strategy. So long as it's the same sauce for each gander at the table, I don't have any complaints.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

pretty big difference between talking smack and name dropping....

I don't think name dropping has a place in drafts no matter the level of your competition or how much money is on the line...there are so many other ways to talk smack and have fun, name dropping doesn't have to be one of them....should be unwritten rule #1...

to me it's pretty weak that you have to drop some names in order to make yourself feel like Mel Kiper or because you don't want Owner X to be able to get Player A and you'd rather Owner B get him instead....

it's the guys that sometimes don't really care if they win the league, as long as Stinkin Ref doesn't win it, that get me.....they'll take Gates in the 3rd round and then thinking/knowing I am sitting on Graham in the 5th they'll start dropping his name before my pick "just cause"....

but the great ones adjust......

 

[butcher boy]

I'll give an example if you don't know what I mean.You have your sights set on one major sleeper. His name is Joe Blow. It's the 10th round, and this is right about where you had him targeted. A couple of picks before you, Bob is on the clock. Some bigmouth in your league says "Hey Bob... JOE BLOW IS STILL AVAILABLE! He's gonna break out this year. You should take him!!!"This has happened in my leagues, many times. If the blabbermouth owner really feels that way, why announce it to everyone else?This behavior, to me, is completely unacceptable and should be met with immediate eviction from the league, if not Capital punishment.What say you?

You really want to throw someone out of a league for speaking openly about who is still available at the draft? That's sad. Try to enjoy fantasy football as a fun hobby with friends, and stop looking at it as a battle between enemies.

No kidding. I was shocked to see all the support for the OP. If owner A talks owner B into taking my guy it would be annoying, but who cares. It's still owner B's choice, so I see absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Seconded. The second any of my leagues become as authoritarian as to tell people what they can or can't say is the second I leave that league. This overly serious business-like approach to fantasy football is completely foreign to me. At my draft the other night, everyone got drunk including the auctioneer, people were drawing penises all over each other's cheat sheets, a surprise farting competition developed halfway through round 4 and caused a brief evacuation of the room, and many ridiculous side bets were made. Somehow we all managed to draft decent teams too despite how much fun that night was.

 

[OddibeMcD]

If I have to pay $10 for telling someone Darnay Scott is still around, I'm paying that in coupons.

 

[pantherclub]

There are a lot of overly sensitive folks on here playing fantasy football. Its a game people, you are not curing cancer, you are supposed to be having fun.

 

[jah2707]

This happens in my league a lot. Usually someone who is a good ff coach will "help" out a bad coach just so another good coach won't get the player. I hate it but not a lot you can do. I will usually yell out a bad pick right after it.

 

[Daywalker]

Thread is off track.

Think overwhelming majority think name-dropping during a DRAFT is not acceptable.

The debate should be about whether hyping up players during an auction AFTER they have been nominated, in order to drive up the prices, is gamesmanship or something that should be unacceptable.

Things like:

Owner A- Bob you have no WR's and plenty of cap space how the hell are you going to let S. Holmes go for $6? There's barely any startable wr's left.

Bob- $7.

I tend to think it is gamesmanship and the nature of an auction. Although I could see how people could take issue.

 

[GregR]

Thread is off track.Think overwhelming majority think name-dropping during a DRAFT is not acceptable.The debate should be about whether hyping up players during an auction AFTER they have been nominated, in order to drive up the prices, is gamesmanship or something that should be unacceptable.Things like:Owner A- Bob you have no WR's and plenty of cap space how the hell are you going to let S. Holmes go for $6? There's barely any startable wr's left.Bob- $7.I tend to think it is gamesmanship and the nature of an auction. Although I could see how people could take issue.

I think if you are outright stating and/or advocating what someone else should do with their team in order to try to get them to do it, that's about as blatant of table talk as you can get. And I'd even say that is worse than pointing out Player X is still out there, though both are bad. Gamesmanship would be saying something neutral but that might lead others into coming up with on their own what you hope they'll do. Example: "Whew, really glad I got my backup QB there. I was afraid I wouldn't get one I'd be happy with."A statement like that, you didn't tell other teams without a backup QB to draft them. You didn't advocate how someone else run his team. You just made a neutral statement about your own team. But it might cause other owners to consider their own team's backup QB situation and hopefully start a run on a position you don't need. And likely without them even realizing you had anything to do with it.THAT is gamesmanship.

 

[Raider Nation]

Thread is off track.Think overwhelming majority think name-dropping during a DRAFT is not acceptable.The debate should be about whether hyping up players during an auction AFTER they have been nominated, in order to drive up the prices, is gamesmanship or something that should be unacceptable.Things like:Owner A- Bob you have no WR's and plenty of cap space how the hell are you going to let S. Holmes go for $6? There's barely any startable wr's left.Bob- $7.I tend to think it is gamesmanship and the nature of an auction. Although I could see how people could take issue.

I think if you are outright stating and/or advocating what someone else should do with their team in order to try to get them to do it, that's about as blatant of table talk as you can get. And I'd even say that is worse than pointing out Player X is still out there, though both are bad. Gamesmanship would be saying something neutral but that might lead others into coming up with on their own what you hope they'll do. Example: "Whew, really glad I got my backup QB there. I was afraid I wouldn't get one I'd be happy with."A statement like that, you didn't tell other teams without a backup QB to draft them. You didn't advocate how someone else run his team. You just made a neutral statement about your own team. But it might cause other owners to consider their own team's backup QB situation and hopefully start a run on a position you don't need. And likely without them even realizing you had anything to do with it.THAT is gamesmanship.

to both of you.Everything else that's been mentioned in this thread is fine and dandy: ball-busting with your fellow owners mercilessly... saying stuff like "Here comes the tight end run!"... drawing penises and having a farting contest, etc. All in good fun.But how f'n hard is it to NOT SHOUT OUT THE NAMES OF PLAYERS WHO HAVEN'T BEEN SELECTED YET!!! It amazes me how many of you take no issue with this.

 

[Instinctive]

I can't believe people disagree with the OP here.

It's similar to poker - don't talk about your hand that you folded - don't talk about a guy you haven't drafted.

If you've folded, don't say things like "Yeah Player B is bluffing, he does this betting pattern when he bluffs. If you have something, call him," to Player C. If Player C can't figure that out for himself, then ####.

If Owner C can't figure out that some guy has fallen too far...then Owner A shouldn't say a ### #### word about it. It's a total **** move.

 

[OddibeMcD]

Can we get a list of players for which name-dropping is acceptable?

Winston October ok? What about Craphonso?

 

[Pipes]

name dropping is not allowed at our drafts, plain and simple.unless you are being facetious dropping silly names like Mark Sanchez as a 1st rd pick to our 2 Jets fans in our league.

This

 

[Autopsy the Clown]

Just came home from one of my drafts and the name dropping was horrible bc of 2 idiots! When someone was up they would look at the board & say "you need a RB, then start naming off players". I was beyond livid. One guy couldn't show up bc a tree fell on his house due to Irene so he was on the phone drafting & the same 2 idiots basically ran down their lists yelling out names. The guy drafting for him didn't need them doing that as he kept him up to date the whole time via texts. Glad to say that "on paper" those 2 have the worst teams. As irate as it made me I tuned it out as best as I could so I can focus on my draft but w/ them name dropping I guarantee that some owners made picks bc a name they weren't thinking was suddenly placed in front of them. Glad this is my least favorite & lowest stakes league that I am in. Wow though, ok enough venting.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

If the guys in my league don't like oak, #### them.

 

[pjconley]

Table Talk at your draft = annoying.

Pillow Talk at your draft= strange.

 

[pjconley]

Perfect example. I'm in need of a RB3. I'm pick 2. I have my eyes set on a RB who could be a steal. Hightower. The draft snakes around to Round 7, pick 1 is up and is looking hard at his paperwork.

Pick 1: "Damn, I need a RB. Wheres Torrain ranked."

Butthole: "No go with Tim Hightower, ESPN said he could be this years Foster."

Pick 1: "The guy on the Cardinals?"

Butthole: "Oh no he's on the skins now. He's supposed to be the starter."

Pick 1: "Alright, I'll take Tom Hightower."

Butthole: "Ha. It's Tim."

Pick 1: "Oh ha. Tim."

Me: "F**K."

 

[GregR]

I can't believe people disagree with the OP here.It's similar to poker - don't talk about your hand that you folded - don't talk about a guy you haven't drafted.If you've folded, don't say things like "Yeah Player B is bluffing, he does this betting pattern when he bluffs. If you have something, call him," to Player C. If Player C can't figure that out for himself, then ####.If Owner C can't figure out that some guy has fallen too far...then Owner A shouldn't say a ### #### word about it. It's a total **** move.

A poker analogy is what popped immediately to mind for me too. Had someone do that to a friend of mine playing at the Nugget in Vegas. He has a pretty common tell that he can't control... when he has a big hand, his hand trembles when he is placing his bet. So we're at the table, and this guy who had folded already points out the tell to the entire table as my friend is placing his bet. Just a total #### thing to do.

 

[Donsmith753]

name dropping is not allowed at our drafts, plain and simple.unless you are being facetious dropping silly names like Mark Sanchez as a 1st rd pick to our 2 Jets fans in our league.

This

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=607683

 

[crowe1130]

My sentiments summed up eloquently: