This is the big question for Ronnie Brown. Cam Cameron not surprisingly didn't offer much help.
How do you see the split working out?
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How do you see the split working out?
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How Do You See The Miami RB Carries Splitting (1 Viewer)
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Insoxicated
I see 65/35 personally but voted 60/40 as I feel it trends just south of 65/35.
FACTORS:
- Cameron doesn't like brown
- Brown has never seen 70% of touches before
- Cameron has looked pretty solid in the preseason (though not always the best indicator)
- I just have a hunch
FACTORS:
- Cameron doesn't like brown
- Brown has never seen 70% of touches before
- Cameron has looked pretty solid in the preseason (though not always the best indicator)
- I just have a hunch
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
70%/30%
Brown will either shut up his critics in the first few weeks or it will be a true RBBC all year. I'm betting on the former.
Brown will either shut up his critics in the first few weeks or it will be a true RBBC all year. I'm betting on the former.
Trip Mcneely
Footballguy
90/30
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CiderHouse
Footballguy
whhwalker
Footballguy
I agree with Coach Cameron in that in today's NFL every team needs 2/3 RBs that can play a variety of roles and share the load. However, what exactly has Jesse Chatman done in his career to warrant such praise as to be considered an RB/1b? He's had 79 carries in his 4 year career, Alvin Pearman has almost as many! Cam liked Jesse when he was backing up LT, but he liked him so much he never had Jesse carry the ball more then 15 times in a game?
I don't claim to understand the inner-workings of an NFL head coach, but to me it seems more of a challenge to Brown than a commitment to Chatman. 70-30, Brown gets 70, Chatman and Booker combine for 30.
I don't claim to understand the inner-workings of an NFL head coach, but to me it seems more of a challenge to Brown than a commitment to Chatman. 70-30, Brown gets 70, Chatman and Booker combine for 30.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Only one back even approached 75% of the carries for his team last year.
fatness
Footballguy
Add Brown's carries for the year to Chatman's carries for the year. Brown gets 75% of that total. That is what I mean, since the initial post is worded that way.
Question for you Charger guys: Has Cameron always been this much of a "head games" guy?
Of course, when Tomlinson is your guy, that changes things. But he seems to be going out of his way wiht the kick return thing and playing coy about the starting job thing. Is this normal for him?
J
Of course, when Tomlinson is your guy, that changes things. But he seems to be going out of his way wiht the kick return thing and playing coy about the starting job thing. Is this normal for him?
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TankRizzo
Footballguy
80/20
Brown has had some really bad games, but he's also had some really great games. Last year's offensive playcalling was atrocious and I think that had a ton to do w/ Brown's production. It's Jesse Chatman for crying out loud. This is all a ploy to motivate yadda yadda yadda.
Brown has had some really bad games, but he's also had some really great games. Last year's offensive playcalling was atrocious and I think that had a ton to do w/ Brown's production. It's Jesse Chatman for crying out loud. This is all a ploy to motivate yadda yadda yadda.
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Insoxicated
I think Joe was just curious about the two primary backs. Given that I'd say the Brown Chatman split is more like 70/30 with Booker grabbing enough carries to skew things down to 65/25/10 or so.
CiderHouse
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Icon secretly loves Ronnie Brown.
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Insoxicated
Shhhhh
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PsychoMan
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Everything adds up to this being a motivating ploy except for the return nonsense. When I hear what Cam says about needing more than 1 RB to compete in the NFL it makes me believe he will use Ronnie as RB1 with Chatman coming in on an as needed basis. Whether that adds up to 25-40% of the carries is anyones GUESS. If Chatman gets some opportiunities and can't do squat with them, how can you justify playing him. The better back will prevail into a predominant role to get a rhythm going, and I don't see how that is not going to be Ronnie Brown.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
If I were a Dolphins fan, I would be a bit worried by what I've seen of Cameron thus far. He's got a bit of the "I'm a genius" thing going on, which many NFL coaches do, but those who have it and can't back it up have a way of screwing things up royally. I can understand getting rid of Randy McMichael and bringing aboard David Martin, but listing Cleo Lemon and Trent Green as co-starters for a few weeks? Listing Ronnie as the returner and talking about Jesse Chatman as his guy? Demoting offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey and yet not naming a new one (calling the plays himself)? I mean, why not let Mularkey out of his contract then, he's obviously got no power. To be fair, for as much as I think Ronnie Brown will get it done when it counts, he hasn't made it easy to root for him. He camp into camp out of shape; and allegedly that played a role in his position coach getting the axe [whether that's fair or not I can't say]. And obviously if Brown was dominating each and every practice, in today's day and age there would be such universal praise that we would all call B.S. on Cameron's RBBC chatter. Since we HAVEN'T been hearing a lot of cries of BS from Dolphins beat writers and locals, I can't completely dismiss the risk of Ronnie as your RB2 out of hand.
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Insoxicated
I don't think ANYONE is predicting Chatam to take the starting job.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I think you can break this down by halves in week 1. In the first half, expect Brown to get the majority of carries (70 percent). If he does well, he gets 80-90 percent in the second half. If he doesn't, he gets half or less.
That's how shaky the situation is now. He's literally a half away from losing the majority of carries. It's clear his coach is giving him a short leash, so even if he has a great game, I think that's only good until the next game.
I doin't own Brown or Chatman (or any Dolphins for that matter). I just see this as a mess that fantasy teams will hurt themselves trying to figure out.
That's how shaky the situation is now. He's literally a half away from losing the majority of carries. It's clear his coach is giving him a short leash, so even if he has a great game, I think that's only good until the next game.
I doin't own Brown or Chatman (or any Dolphins for that matter). I just see this as a mess that fantasy teams will hurt themselves trying to figure out.
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I'm with you Jason. I have not been impressed at all with Cameron. Even the way he handles himself in the press conferences is annoying. We'll see of course but I'm starting to wonder if Tomlinson wasn't a bigger part of his "genius" than we all wanted to believe. We all know players make coaches. But I'm wondering maybe Tomlinson made him even more than I thought. We'll see.J
Voted 50/50 for the whole season, with Brown getting more at the beginning and Chatman getting more at the end.
Why? If Cameron is so against Brown I think if Chatman shows any ability during the season he'll be used a lot more just because of Cameron's attitude towards Brown. Plus I think Chatman has everything to gain and will work his butt off to solidify his play time.
Why? If Cameron is so against Brown I think if Chatman shows any ability during the season he'll be used a lot more just because of Cameron's attitude towards Brown. Plus I think Chatman has everything to gain and will work his butt off to solidify his play time.
Horses Mouth
Footballguy
gregjcross
Footballguy
But predicting 65% of carries when Brown has typically be hurt for between 2 and 3 games isnt going out on much of a limb. If Brown reaches the 310 carry mark, catches as many passes as in the past, and scores more than 13/14 FPPG, seems that is what matters. Brown has lacked TDs in his first two years, if that continues, he's a bust. RBBC is not a factor
I don't think ANYONE is predicting Chatam to take the starting job.
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Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
TheAristocrat
Footballguy
I replied with 60-40 before I looked at the stats from last year:
Brown: 242 carries 33 receptions = 275 touches
Morris: 92 carries 21 receptions = 113 touches
I did not factor in times targeted. I'm at work and don't have enough time for that (yet somehow find the time for this).
Brown had 72.5% of the carries and 70.8% of the touches. I would expect those numbers to creep closer to 60-40 this season. As a Brown owner last season, I was unimpressed with his number of touches and this would not make me feel great if I was a Brown owner today.
Brown: 242 carries 33 receptions = 275 touches
Morris: 92 carries 21 receptions = 113 touches
I did not factor in times targeted. I'm at work and don't have enough time for that (yet somehow find the time for this).
Brown had 72.5% of the carries and 70.8% of the touches. I would expect those numbers to creep closer to 60-40 this season. As a Brown owner last season, I was unimpressed with his number of touches and this would not make me feel great if I was a Brown owner today.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
In the last 5 threads I've read, Icon was already fighting w/ everybody else about this same thing. Good call Joe, making a poll of it. I am somewhere in between the battle on this one. I am A BROWN OWNER!!! Reality tells me that in comparison to Chatman, it's Ronnie 70%. If you're talking RB carries, I'm giving the rookie a little love and say he gets a cut. I also think Booker will see about 40% of RB catches and Ronnie 60%. Brown makes a high #2 or low #1 RB (somewhere about where he was last year pre-broken-hand).
roadkill1292
Footballguy
There're a couple of options in there that suggest Fullback Fro had a hand in this poll's construction.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Yep...the Dolphins are keeping Lorenzo Booker off the field in key situations because they don't want opposing defenses to have any film on him. Or, it could be that he's a smallish rookie who may or may not have a role as the team's 3rd down situational back. Flip a coin.
I was referring to Cameron's comments in the newspaper as the smokescreen. Not sure what you're talking about.ComfortablyNumb
Footballguy
Did you consider that Brown only played 13 games last year due, I believe, to a broken hand? In those 13 games, he probably had well over 80% of the carries. In Chatman's 5 seasons, he's only exceeded 8 carries in ONE season and hasn't even touched the ball since 2004.It seems obvious that Cameron feels the need to motivate Brown to realize his considerable potential...
az_prof
Footballguy
One thing that has been overlooked in all of this is the phrase "ascending player." Several interviews Cam has referred to RB as "ascending." What does this mean? The guy is a bit cryptic, but what it means to me is that he is improving, and that he is a player who is going UP...an up-and-coming player, so to speak. I don't think he is as negative as some people claim. I do think he is trying to motivate Brown; he also talks about how Brown was taken third, and the expectations that come with that, the comparisons to LT, and so on. I think he wants Brown to continue to "ascend" and to try and come closer to those "heights."
One thing is clear: if he was so down on him and is going to cut him out of the offense so much, then why is he "ascending"?
One thing is clear: if he was so down on him and is going to cut him out of the offense so much, then why is he "ascending"?
moleculo
Footballguy
FYI: here's the game by game distribution of carries from last year:
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week brown morris minor suggs total % of carries by Brown1 15 . . 15 100%2 15 . . 3 18 83%3 26 . . 2 28 93%4 12 . . 1 13 92%5 17 2 . . 19 89%6 22 5 . . 27 81%7 15 1 . . 16 94%9 29 1 . . 30 97%10 25 6 . . 31 81%11 11 0 . . 11 100%12 15 12 6 . 33 45%13 . 12 6 . 18 0%14 . 25 2 . 27 0%15 . 20 5 . 25 0%16 18 6 . . 24 75%17 21 2 . . 23 91%total 241 92 19 6 358 67%
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
In Cameron's defense, what's he supposed to do with Brown and Mularkey? You knew from day 1 that he was going to call the plays, that's his expertise. And Brown's coming in out of shape put him in a terrible position. The other 52 guys are going to notice how he treats Brown and form opinions from there. If he goes soft on Brown, he's going to lose some players. If he holds Brown accountable, everyone is on notice.As a Charger fan, I'm glad we didn't end up with Cam heading our staff - I think he's a bit overrated. But I think Brown showing up out-of-shape for a new coach after the debacle in Miami last season is extremely unprofessional, and I don't blame Cameron a bit for make him an example.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I don't see that we disagree on much of anything; save for perhaps the way he handled Mularkey. As to what was he supposed to do? 1) Release him from his contract [if he knew all along he would call the plays, he could've cut Mularkey and given him time to find another job], OR 2) Keep Mularkey as OC; there are plenty of NFL head coaches that have OCs but call their own plays.
identikit
Footballguy
I saw Cam out here at IU as head coach; what you're seeing in Miami is the same schtick he did here (and failed at, even by IU's low expectations).He failed here as a head coach, he'll fail at the NFL level as a head coach. He's in wayyyy over his abilities.Classic example of a guy who is decent assistant coach that should stay at that level.Id
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TheAristocrat
Footballguy
I did not consider that. Very good point. Should have remembered that but I didn't.Love the motivation schtick...
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Agree - he should have left Mularkey as OC. Especially since play calling is Mike's biggest weakness.
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