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How does Jason Campbell impact other Oakland skill player values? (1 Viewer)

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I searched for a thread to specifically talk about all the offensive players on Oakland and how their Fantasy value changes with Campbell.

I own a couple of guys (M. Bush, C. Schilens) and assume they will be 'better' with a 'real' QB behind center, but how do you see the skill players shaking out this year? I haven't seen many Oakland games recently.



Main beneficiaries:

J. Campbell: can he be a QB2 for Fantasy (10-12 team leagues)?

M. Bush: slated to be the #1 RB? Not sure if that's a done deal.

Z. Miller: was good even with Jamarcus...does this make him a top 10 TE?

L. Murphy: was somewhat consistent last year (I think)

Role players/TBD?

Johnnie Lee Higgins: back to returning kicks or WR starter?

Heyward-Bey: penciled in starter?

McFadden: 3rd down / PPR RB value?

C. Schilens: if healthy, can he win a starting job?

http://www.raiders.com/team/depth-chart2.html seems out of date, still listing Fargas as one of the RBs.

 
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Assuming the OLine improves I think Miller and Schillens' number take a big jump. If Bey fails to improve I can see Murphy becoming a decent #3 WR option.

 
Assuming the OLine improves I think Miller and Schillens' number take a big jump. If Bey fails to improve I can see Murphy becoming a decent #3 WR option.
:confused: Those will be the main differences. I don't see Murphy improving nearly as much in numbers as Schilens and HeyBey, due in part to how much more productive he was last year, and to Bey IMO cutting a lot more into Murphy's usage than Chad's. But its all good, all numbers a lot higher.
 
I searched for a thread to specifically talk about all the offensive players on Oakland and how their Fantasy value changes with Campbell.

I own a couple of guys (M. Bush, C. Schilens) and assume they will be 'better' with a 'real' QB behind center, but how do you see the skill players shaking out this year? I haven't seen many Oakland games recently.



Main beneficiaries:

J. Campbell: can he be a QB2 for Fantasy (10-12 team leagues)?

M. Bush: slated to be the #1 RB? Not sure if that's a done deal.

Z. Miller: was good even with Jamarcus...does this make him a top 10 TE?

L. Murphy: was somewhat consistent last year (I think)

Role players/TBD?

Johnnie Lee Higgins: back to returning kicks or WR starter?

Heyward-Bey: penciled in starter?

McFadden: 3rd down / PPR RB value?

C. Schilens: if healthy, can he win a starting job?

http://www.raiders.com/team/depth-chart2.html seems out of date, still listing Fargas as one of the RBs.
Doesn't Schilens already have the starting job?
 
The whole offense gets bumped up a bit. JMR was just horrendous. He missed so many 'easy' throws it was sickening. Campbell can make those throws on a consistent basis. Chaz will likely start. He was on his way to being the clear #1 before getting hurt. Murphy and Heyward-Bey will also catch more balls. Bush and McFadden will not always run against stacked lines and McFadden will catch many more balls (I can not count how many balls landed at his feet or flew over his head last season). Miller, I believe, will be a top tier Fantasy TE. He has shown great talent since being in Oakland and the only thing keeping him back before was horrible QB play, plus Campbell seems to have no problem throwing to TE's. The most important part for all of their stats is that the chains will be moved more consistently now and that means more stats.

 
Due to their contracts the Raiders have more incentive to make McFadden the feature back than they do Bush. If Bush is better he'll play, but they'll give McFadden every chance to be the every down back.

 
Campbell is in a unique position. He's going to a team where he's demonstrably better than what they already had in house, how many other teams could he have gone to where that would've been the case? STL? BUF? That's about it. That said, I'm not sure I'm sold on the offensive line, the depth at RB, the skill of the WR position, or the coaching. So I could see many of the problems that plagued Campbell in Washington plaguing him in Oakland.

I have him in the early 20s in our first pass through of rankings. I view him as someone you can live with as your QB2 because he does have legitimate upside, but not someone I would feel comfortable counting on until I see him produce on the field in 2010.

 
Campbell is in a unique position. He's going to a team where he's demonstrably better than what they already had in house, how many other teams could he have gone to where that would've been the case? STL? BUF? That's about it. That said, I'm not sure I'm sold on the offensive line, the depth at RB, the skill of the WR position, or the coaching. So I could see many of the problems that plagued Campbell in Washington plaguing him in Oakland. I have him in the early 20s in our first pass through of rankings. I view him as someone you can live with as your QB2 because he does have legitimate upside, but not someone I would feel comfortable counting on until I see him produce on the field in 2010.
I do not see the value increase for Campbell as much as I do for what he does to the Raider offensive guys around him. There were so many 'give me' balls that dropped on the ground last year and a whole lot of them were just bad throws. I think anyone that catches a ball in that offense sees their numbers increase just purely on that. Bush and McFadden should also see some more room to run as well as the opposing D's will not have to stop laughing at the passing game long enough to stop the run. The one league that I have Campbell in he is my 3rd QB behind Rivers and Brees. I think his value stays roughly the same as last year with upside in a couple of years down the road.
 
Due to their contracts the Raiders have more incentive to make McFadden the feature back than they do Bush. If Bush is better he'll play, but they'll give McFadden every chance to be the every down back.
Judging by how it looked like they wanted to use them last year... I see Bush getting a bit more rushes than McFadden but McFadden will be used in the passing game more. They really seem to have wanted to get McFadden in motion and split him out, trying to create mismatches, but time and time again the ball would be thrown at his feet when they did.
 
Come on. This is obvious. All Raider skill position players were pretty much undraftable prior to this weekend.

Now they have a number of guys who seem like decent fantasy backups with major upside if things click just right.

Campbell

Miller

DMC

Bush

Shilens (or Murphy if Chaz is not healthy)

 
Schilens with should benefit alot. He was able to catch Russell's inaccurate throws, he should be able to catch Campbell's. My main problem with Campbell is his deep ball, he throws it too flat so the receiver doesn't have a chance to run under it. With his height (6'4") Schilens won't have as much trouble as Santana Moss (5'10"). Both are fast Schilens had a 4.38 40 time and Moss a 4.26-4.3. Maybe throwing to a taller target the problem will fix on it's own.

 
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Schilens with should benefit alot. He was able to catch Russell's inaccurate throws, he should be able to catch Campbell's. My main problem with Campbell is his deep ball, he throws it too flat so the receiver doesn't have a chance to run under it. With his height (6'4") Schilens won't have as much trouble as Santana Moss (5'10"). Both are fast Schilens had a 4.38 40 time and Moss a 4.26-4.3. Maybe throwing to a taller target the problem will fix on it's own.
Or DHB at 6'2"... :lmao:
 
Schilens with should benefit alot. He was able to catch Russell's inaccurate throws, he should be able to catch Campbell's. My main problem with Campbell is his deep ball, he throws it too flat so the receiver doesn't have a chance to run under it. With his height (6'4") Schilens won't have as much trouble as Santana Moss (5'10"). Both are fast Schilens had a 4.38 40 time and Moss a 4.26-4.3. Maybe throwing to a taller target the problem will fix on it's own.
Or DHB at 6'2"... :shrug:
Or Louis Murphy at 6'2' (and better hands)...
 

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