How early is "too early" for Gurley in the NFL draft? (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

Gurley looking like the next ADP

is this really popular opinion?

Its recency bias, very year the best thought of RB is the next AD, the best thought of WR is the next Megatron, etc. etc.

I don't see Calvin Johnson invoked as a comp every year - anybody that compared Mike Evans to CJ was wrong, he didn't run a sub-4.5 (4.53), let alone a sub-4.4.

Or a RB each cycle compared to a once or twice a decade prospect (certainly not in '13 or '14, that I recall), so slight exaggeration.

Calvin is truly unique. Nobody like him before or since.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I guess if you dont believe Bell is the greatest thing since sliced bread you are crazy around here. Should I just go ahead and conform now? Bell is the greatest running back in the league! Can I have my groupthink membership card now Saber?

Well, I guess I look at his NFL career. You may not think it's anything special, but only three running backs have outscored him in PPR since he arrived (Forte, Charles, and Murray). So even counting his rookie season where he missed his first three games, he's top 5. That's not group think, that's fact. I'm not saying he's Walter Peyton, but he's not chopped liver either. Deny your lying eyes all you want, but he's put up a ton of fantasy points. I'd be shocked if Gurley, no matter who drafts him and when, puts up 588 fantasy points before he's 23 years old. Not bad for a plodder.

I don't see a great running back. I see a back in a great situation who puts up a ton of fantasy points because of his receptions and situation. Big difference. I am more impressed with Jeremy Hill than Leveon Bell and Hill is in a timeshare. Maybe these lying eyes are looking at more than 15 dumpoffs per game while Ben runs around in the backfield? I don't know. High fantasy production equals GREAT RUNNING BACK? Not.

Dump offs while Ben runs around the backfield? Either your eyes are lying or you haven't actually watched (m)any Pittsburgh games or Bell.

 

[georg013]

Or im just not impressed by Bell which is perfectly fine.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'm sensing some Either that or georg013 is the type of guy who makes up his mind and isn't going to budge. Either way, let's get back to the OP.

How early is too early? I'll say pick 23.

 

[georg013]

I see him in the 10-20 range ONLY because of the way the NFL is trending right now. If this was 15 years ago, with THIS exact group of kids, I could see a HEALTHY Gurley going #1 overall.

 

[Sabertooth]

Agreed. I think Trent Richardson cost a lot of incoming rookies some dough.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

here he is catching 15 dump offs

1:47 was pretty slick

 

[texasbirdfan]

I think he'd be a perfect fit in Atlanta and good for the gate receipts. I don't think he slides past them at #8.

You have to be kidding right? or are you just throwing up a smokescreen like the NFL Network draft board contributor Davis's mock having him go at #8? Davis no longer has him going to Atlanta BTW as of yesterday. Gurley is a perfect fit for Atlanta if he is taken in the third/ fourth round or later only. The days of a high pick RB (especially a lame one), are over for the Falcons who are addressing their trench needs finally with zone blocking and pass rushers and safeties/cb in the early rounds....

 

[georg013]

Agreed. I think Trent Richardson cost a lot of incoming rookies some dough.

Without question.

 

[georg013]

here he is catching 15 dump offs

1:47 was pretty slick

Trent Richardson has one of those highlight reels on "YouTube" as well.

 

[georg013]

I think he'd be a perfect fit in Atlanta and good for the gate receipts. I don't think he slides past them at #8.

You have to be kidding right? or are you just throwing up a smokescreen like the NFL Network draft board contributor Davis's mock having him go at #8? Davis no longer has him going to Atlanta BTW as of yesterday. Gurley is a perfect fit for Atlanta if he is taken in the third/ fourth round or later only. The days of a high pick RB (especially a lame one), are over for the Falcons who are addressing their trench needs finally with zone blocking and pass rushers and safeties/cb in the early rounds....

Although I don't see Atlanta taking him at #8, I agree that he would be a good fit. An excellent fit.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

since when did the shanahan zbs need the first rb in the draft to work?

 

[SayWhat?]

since when did the shanahan zbs need the first rb in the draft to work?

Who made that claim?

 

[georg013]

since when did the shanahan zbs need the first rb in the draft to work?

Who made that claim?

It's called reaching and looking for something to argue about.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

since when did the shanahan zbs need the first rb in the draft to work?

Who made that claim?

ok, if I can pick up terrell davis, mike anderson, arian foster, alfred morris, justin forsett, or isaiah crowell late in the draft, or even after the draft, why waste a pick on the first rb off the board?

 

[jurb26]

since when did the shanahan zbs need the first rb in the draft to work?

Who made that claim?

ok, if I can pick up terrell davis, mike anderson, arian foster, alfred morris, justin forsett, or isaiah crowell late in the draft, or even after the draft, why waste a pick on the first rb off the board?

Because for every one of those guys there are dozens who flame out and never even make a team roster?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Or im just not impressed by Bell which is perfectly fine.

The point is, is that he doesn't catch dump off passes. If your not impressed with how he runs, I find that strange, but you're entitled to your opinion on that - to say his game is based on broken play dump off passes says you've never really watched him though.

 

[texasbirdfan]

I think he'd be a perfect fit in Atlanta and good for the gate receipts. I don't think he slides past them at #8.

You have to be kidding right? or are you just throwing up a smokescreen like the NFL Network draft board contributor Davis's mock having him go at #8? Davis no longer has him going to Atlanta BTW as of yesterday. Gurley is a perfect fit for Atlanta if he is taken in the third/ fourth round or later only. The days of a high pick RB (especially a lame one), are over for the Falcons who are addressing their trench needs finally with zone blocking and pass rushers and safeties/cb in the early rounds....

Although I don't see Atlanta taking him at #8, I agree that he would be a good fit. An excellent fit.

perfect fit for a low cap figure. Like others have said The skeletor and Skeletor Jr. are zone blocking proponents and that is being re-implemented in Atlanta after a number of years and the blocking makes the RB- spend the big bucks on the O line instead

 

[msommer]

I think he'd be a perfect fit in Atlanta and good for the gate receipts. I don't think he slides past them at #8.

You have to be kidding right? or are you just throwing up a smokescreen like the NFL Network draft board contributor Davis's mock having him go at #8? Davis no longer has him going to Atlanta BTW as of yesterday. Gurley is a perfect fit for Atlanta if he is taken in the third/ fourth round or later only. The days of a high pick RB (especially a lame one), are over for the Falcons who are addressing their trench needs finally with zone blocking and pass rushers and safeties/cb in the early rounds....

Although I don't see Atlanta taking him at #8, I agree that he would be a good fit. An excellent fit.

perfect fit for a low cap figure. Like others have said The skeletor and Skeletor Jr. are zone blocking proponents and that is being re-implemented in Atlanta after a number of years and the blocking makes the RB- spend the big bucks on the O line instead

Did the elder Shanahan really spend high picks on OL frequently, I seem to remember talk about he wanted the smaller, quicker linemen and found them later in the draft and (the scheme) made them great

 

[texasbirdfan]

I think he'd be a perfect fit in Atlanta and good for the gate receipts. I don't think he slides past them at #8.

You have to be kidding right? or are you just throwing up a smokescreen like the NFL Network draft board contributor Davis's mock having him go at #8? Davis no longer has him going to Atlanta BTW as of yesterday. Gurley is a perfect fit for Atlanta if he is taken in the third/ fourth round or later only. The days of a high pick RB (especially a lame one), are over for the Falcons who are addressing their trench needs finally with zone blocking and pass rushers and safeties/cb in the early rounds....

Although I don't see Atlanta taking him at #8, I agree that he would be a good fit. An excellent fit.

perfect fit for a low cap figure. Like others have said The skeletor and Skeletor Jr. are zone blocking proponents and that is being re-implemented in Atlanta after a number of years and the blocking makes the RB- spend the big bucks on the O line instead

Did the elder Shanahan really spend high picks on OL frequently, I seem to remember talk about he wanted the smaller, quicker linemen and found them later in the draft and (the scheme) made them great

The return of zone blocking left guard Blalock out the door this off season, so my hope is the $$ and higher round pick go to the Olineman vs. thinking that a "great" RB needs to be taken early to make the zone scheme work better.

 

[IHEARTFF]

To answer the original question, anywhere in the 1st round is too early for a RB. I suppose if a team was loaded outside of a stud RB and picked late in the round, you could argue it wasn't too early. Not sure what team that would be.

 

[cstu]

1.10 Rams (love to run, SEA in division example of RB spearheading an offense on consecutive Super Bowl teams, Fisher once in a three year stretch at TEN drafted LenDale White and Chris Henry with second round picks followed by Chris Johnson with a first, 2014 1.2 pick Robinson could be a dominant run blocker, they have a thin OL sketchy in pass blocking, powerful run game takes pressure off Foles, who missed time all three years in PHI)

Good job, Fisher, you got me.

 

[dkp993]

To answer Bob's original post question. 10.

 

[Bob Magaw]

1.10 Rams (love to run, SEA in division example of RB spearheading an offense on consecutive Super Bowl teams, Fisher once in a three year stretch at TEN drafted LenDale White and Chris Henry with second round picks followed by Chris Johnson with a first, 2014 1.2 pick Robinson could be a dominant run blocker, they have a thin OL sketchy in pass blocking, powerful run game takes pressure off Foles, who missed time all three years in PHI)

Good job, Fisher, you got me.

I forgot about this thread, between the various Gurley, Mason and Rams ones.