How many points would you score in a WNBA game? (2 Viewers)

[matuski]

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Girls basketball gets a bad rap because it's not as entertaining to the average fan. Everyone wants to see dunks and feats of athleticism. The skill level is not that different and the level of execution might actually be better in the girls game.

Oh come on.

What part are you having problems with?

Here's an article talking about this very thing that uses some stats to back it up, it mostly talks about freethrow shooting but it touches on other factors.

Why is it so hard for men to believe that the men's game is far more entertaining and athletic but that the girls game is more fundamental based? It's the primary reason I got into coaching girls. As a boys coach if you don't have athletes forget about it but in the girls game, it's not based entirely on athleticism. A coach can make a bigger difference on teams like that.

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Against women they may execute.

I've played with and against several WNBA (current and former) players, all time greats among them. They don't hold up on a court of former high school and college guys.

Your 290 pound girl could never run the floor. The smaller ones are moved off their spot or path with the slightest contact. They will hit their shots, they can handle the ball, they have the IQ... they can't drive the lane on men, they cant rebound on men, they can't go up with the men, they can't fight through a screen. Speed, strength, ups, size.... they just come up miserably short.

Your coaching won't change that.

I see well we have a bit of a disconnect. I wasn't talking about a guys team versus a girls in the context you are referring to. My comment you bolded was just an observation about the men's game and the women's game. Women could not execute very well against a men's team at all on an equal level of play like both being D1 college level teams. They could against other women and that was the point. Men rely on size, strength and power more, while a girl doesn't posses those qualities as much so they need to shoot better, use fakes more etc.

I can promise you my 290 pound girl could move, again for a girl but she wasn't some slow footed immobile girl like you would imagine. The high school boys I talked about earlier couldn't hold her. She played small D1. Although in high school she went to a showcase tournament where they were evaluated by scouts then given the evaluation and hers said if she'd get in better shape she would be hearing from the Tennessee's and UConn's.

Anyway, enough sidetrack. I don't think you will see it how I do so best to just most along.

I do hear your argument, and I agree to disagree.

290 pounds is 290 pounds. Guy or girl.. that isn't keeping up in a pickup game. Especially when a scout is saying you're a tubby.

 

[timschochet]

pretty sure Jayrod and matuski could take down any WNBA all Star team, 2 against 5

You keep making these posts that weren't that funny even when they might have been relevant (what 8-9 years ago now?).

Time to let it go?

I laughed.

 

[timschochet]

It's not that Jayrod or tommyboy or whoever here played some college ball couldn't be competitive against WNBA players: I'm sure they could to some degree. What's laughable, at least to me, is the claim that they could walk in and score 30 or 50 and just dominate, despite having never stepped on the court with these players, all of whom are not only professional paid athletes but are the absolute best women in the world in the sport of basketball.

 

[Heavy]

In college, our ROTC team (a middle/bottom of the pack intramural finisher made up up guys who played HS ball) used to scrimmage with the Women's Varsity team. At the time, the Women were ranked #1 to top 10 in the country depending on the week. We consistently beat them handily. They were "better" basketball players than us. Fundamentally, they were extremely sound, could really shoot, and you could see the benefit of college coaching. Height-wise, we were about the same size, but we carried more weight as a group. However, there was such an athletic disparity. The biggest difference was in strength, and we also generally had more speed. We owned the paint and could fast break pretty much at will. Most of us were in decent shape, so were used to just running. Posting up was almost a joke. The Women centers, who sometimes weighed 2 bills+, just couldn't match the strength we had. They would take both hands and literately shove as hard as they could to try and clear us out, usually to no avail. The hardest part for our team was that we all had lazy "pick-up" habits (e.g sagging off too much on D, reaching instead of keep your feet moving, hand-checking/bodying, etc.), that occur when you stop playing organized ball. We were asked back less and less as the year went on because we didn't represent the type of basketball the Women were going to see. Towards the end, we were only brought back for conditioning and when the women needed to "toughen up".

I'm not sure of the athletic bona fides of Tommy Boy or Jayrod, but if they were college hoopers, at least 6'3", and still in decent running/jumping shape, I would argue that they would get 20-25 just in the paint/fast breaking alone. I also watched our PG just torch the Women every week with his speed. He was a great athlete and was the one who really had a distinct speed advantage. He could blow by the opposing Women's PG almost every time and either have a 6 footer or less or an easy assist if/when the help came.

Although it is basketball, the Men's and Women's game is not the same game.

Heavy sends

 

[tommyboy]

Clearly, most of you have never played against wnba or division 1 women. I have. Ill give an example, katy steding. She was an Olympian and longtime wnba player. I also happen to have gone to school with her since 3rd grade. If her and i played one on one at any age from 16 yrs old beyond, even today, i would dominate her like 11-3. Im bigger, faster, more physical. She's a better jump shooter, but since i can jump a foot or two higher than she can only shot she's getting is a fall away jumper

 

[timschochet]

Clearly, most of you have never played against wnba or division 1 women. I have. Ill give an example, katy steding. She was an Olympian and longtime wnba player. I also happen to have gone to school with her since 3rd grade. If her and i played one on one at any age from 16 yrs old beyond, even today, i would dominate her like 11-3. Im bigger, faster, more physical. She's a better jump shooter, but since i can jump a foot or two higher than she can only shot she's getting is a fall away jumper

But this isn't one on one. You're playing against 5 of them, with 4 other women on your team, and 9 of the players on the court are professional and the very very best in the world at what they do, and you're not (no offense.) Whatever your size and strength are, you're an amateur, unfamiliar with their game plans and offensive and defensive schemes. As I wrote, I have no doubt, assuming you have been accurately describing your own skills, that you would be competitive. You would score points and end up playing well. Based on your physicality, you might even be the best player on the court, despite your inexperience with them. But the type of domination you described, in which you would basically score every time down until you got tired- I don't see it.

 

[jhib]

I was going to say I'd probably foul out before I scored, but then I realized that I wouldn't be able to foul out under those conditions. So let's just say I'd end up with something like a 4:1 ratio of fouls to points.

 

[Mark Davis]

It's not that Jayrod or tommyboy or whoever here played some college ball couldn't be competitive against WNBA players: I'm sure they could to some degree. What's laughable, at least to me, is the claim that they could walk in and score 30 or 50 and just dominate, despite having never stepped on the court with these players, all of whom are not only professional paid athletes but are the absolute best women in the world in the sport of basketball.

I've played against a WNBA level player in the mid-90's. I've also played against a couple of small college players and even a couple D-1 players. There isn't any comparison between the two. The D-1, D-3, whatever they were would absolutely run the score up as much as they wanted to over a women's team. Their quickness, length, and strength are completely different levels. I'm not arguing the women's game isn't fundamental and if we were playing HORSE then they might have a shot. But it's hard to win a game when you can't get shots off, and there simply wouldn't be any clean looks for a women's team against that level of talent.

So for me I guess it's what type player you put in there. If you put in there a D3 player who was more a defender and rebounder he may only score 10 or 12 because he isn't going to shoot much and just pretty much do offensive stick backs. But if you put in a post player that had decent moves, he's going to score 40 because a post player at that level is going to overwhelm them with strength and length.

 

[rockaction]

Clearly, most of you have never played against wnba or division 1 women. I have. Ill give an example, katy steding. She was an Olympian and longtime wnba player. I also happen to have gone to school with her since 3rd grade. If her and i played one on one at any age from 16 yrs old beyond, even today, i would dominate her like 11-3. Im bigger, faster, more physical. She's a better jump shooter, but since i can jump a foot or two higher than she can only shot she's getting is a fall away jumper

But this isn't one on one. You're playing against 5 of them, with 4 other women on your team, and 9 of the players on the court are professional and the very very best in the world at what they do, and you're not (no offense.) Whatever your size and strength are, you're an amateur, unfamiliar with their game plans and offensive and defensive schemes. As I wrote, I have no doubt, assuming you have been accurately describing your own skills, that you would be competitive. You would score points and end up playing well. Based on your physicality, you might even be the best player on the court, despite your inexperience with them. But the type of domination you described, in which you would basically score every time down until you got tired- I don't see it.

We used to play hockey against the women's national champs and national development program. We crushed them every time, and the team I was on stunk for a rec league travel team. As I got older and started playing more seriously, I was privy to a girl in the national development program coming out for the thirds team at my boarding school -- she had to leave the ice because she was getting absolutely crushed. Our high school team would have crushed the Olympic team back in the day. Women -- generally -- just can't play against reasonable talent.

 

[the moops]

We aren't talking about your 20 year old athletic selves. We are talking about your 40 year old lard ###

 

[rockaction]

We aren't talking about your 20 year old athletic selves. We are talking about your 40 year old lard ###

I said I'd score absolutely zero. Also, I would not want to skate with anyone even competent these days. But there are guys on here that are younger and keep in shape. I don't begrudge their opinions one bit. If they were really good when they were reasonably younger or in really good shape, then yeah, they'd probably score points.

Also not sure about the hostility towards their claims. It's not far-fetched in the least.

 

[Instinctive]

We aren't talking about your 20 year old athletic selves. We are talking about your 40 year old lard ###

Hey now some of us are still in their 20s.

Aside from height, strength, and general athleticism advantages...isn't the three point line on a women's court like a foot and a half closer than an NBA line? I've grown up where they have NBA and ncaa's lines on the court and launch from deep pretty consistently.

Throw in the fact that it's a women's ball? Purely on launching threes I bet I could get to 20+ over the course of a game.

 

[matuski]

We aren't talking about your 20 year old athletic selves. We are talking about your 40 year old lard ###

I'm talking about this week, in all likely hood I will be on the court with a WNBA or college player, current or former. My 38 year old not so lard ### self, who never played even high school ball.

It is not uncommon that they are guarded by the worst player on the opposing team (often me). I'll guard the best of them with less trouble than the better high school boys who simply punish me..

 

[Jayrod]

Tim, you are severely overestimating the importance of Xs & Os in basketball.

Literally, the whole point of an offense is to get the best shot possible. Anybody who is ever played some serious basketball knows that once you have a severe mismatch you do everything you can to exploit that mismatch which basically means giving that person the chance to be one-on-one in their desired position on the floor.

That is all I or any other quality male player would need, get me the ball where I want it and give the defenders enough off ball activity to keep me from being triple teamed and we score 60+% of the time.

 

[Mark Davis]

We aren't talking about your 20 year old athletic selves. We are talking about your 40 year old lard ###

Agreed, that's why I said likely around 10.

We aren't talking about your 20 year old athletic selves. We are talking about your 40 year old lard ###

I'm talking about this week, in all likely hood I will be on the court with a WNBA or college player, current or former. My 38 year old not so lard ### self, who never played even high school ball.

It is not uncommon that they are guarded by the worst player on the opposing team (often me). I'll guard the best of them with less trouble than the better high school boys who simply punish me..

Spot on. It's hard to explain unless you've been on the court with them.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

In college, my roomate who was a guard and the 11th man on his HS team was a pretty decent match up for a gal who played pick-up basketball. She wasn't just any gal though. She was 6' tall and was an All-Pac-10 forward and like a 3rd team All American. She could score on my buddy, but she also couldn't stop him from scoring.

The womens' coach used to have full team team scrimmages against the baseball team in the pre-season in order to get her rotation down, etc.. They were an NCAA tournament level team at the time. The baseball players ran them out of the gym, winning by 40+.

 

[Peyton Marino]

any chance we can setup a game between the team papagorgo coaches and the 5 people in this thread who claimed the highest point totals?

 

[Jayrod]

any chance we can setup a game between the team papagorgo coaches and the 5 people in this thread who claimed the highest point totals?

He coaches HS. No one here would even consider that worth anyone's time.

 

[Papa Georgio]

any chance we can setup a game between the team papagorgo coaches and the 5 people in this thread who claimed the highest point totals?

LOL, ya I'm in! I just hope we can get the ball across half court a couple of times.

 

[Peyton Marino]

any chance we can setup a game between the team papagorgo coaches and the 5 people in this thread who claimed the highest point totals?

He coaches HS. No one here would even consider that worth anyone's time.

Just trying to suggest realistic and constructive ways to settle this.

 

[fantasycurse42]

any chance we can setup a game between the team papagorgo coaches and the 5 people in this thread who claimed the highest point totals?

He coaches HS. No one here would even consider that worth anyone's time.

Just trying to suggest realistic and constructive ways to settle this.

Are HS quarters still 8 minutes?

If so, I'm scoring 64 in that one.

 

[matuski]

any chance we can setup a game between the team papagorgo coaches and the 5 people in this thread who claimed the highest point totals?

He coaches HS. No one here would even consider that worth anyone's time.

Just trying to suggest realistic and constructive ways to settle this.

We would all buy plane tickets to wherever he is to have the game called after 5 minutes in the best interest of the girls. It would be soul crushing.

 

[Rove!]

It would be difficult to shoot with the boner I would get from all of the incidental contact