How many QBs would you take over Matt Ryan? (1 Viewer)

[Chase Stuart]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).

So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

 

[BassNBrew]

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

 

[Irish]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).

So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

 

[Road Warriors]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).

So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

 

[bcr8f]

I'd add Stanton to that list. With the weapons he has he has to be there.

 

[Phil4]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?Tom Brady, NEPeyton Manning, INDCarson Palmer, CINTony Romo, DALDrew Brees, NOBen Roethlisberger, PITEli Manning, NYGJay Cutler, DENAaron Rodgers, GBJason Campbell, WAS

 

[metoo]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).

So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

 

[Andy Herron]

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

I only excluded Garcia because of his age. I would put Edwards and Clemens even with Ryan right now.That leaves it at an even 20.

 

[southeastjerome]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).

So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

 

[Irish]

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

I only excluded Garcia because of his age. I would put Edwards and Clemens even with Ryan right now.

Now why would the Falcons trade Ryan, a young possible franchise type of qb who will become the face of the organization for some of these old journeyman type qbs?

 

[southeastjerome]

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

I only excluded Garcia because of his age. I would put Edwards and Clemens even with Ryan right now.That leaves it at an even 20.

Wow, obviously you haven't seen much of Matty Ice.

 

[Andy Herron]

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

I only excluded Garcia because of his age. I would put Edwards and Clemens even with Ryan right now.That leaves it at an even 20.

Wow, obviously you haven't seen much of Matty Ice.

Not in the NFL.

 

[Andy Herron]

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

I only excluded Garcia because of his age. I would put Edwards and Clemens even with Ryan right now.

Now why would the Falcons trade Ryan, a young possible franchise type of qb who will become the face of the organization for some of these old journeyman type qbs?

Hey, I'm just playing along. I'll take a proven QB over an unproven QB any day.

 

[southeastjerome]

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

I only excluded Garcia because of his age. I would put Edwards and Clemens even with Ryan right now.

Now why would the Falcons trade Ryan, a young possible franchise type of qb who will become the face of the organization for some of these old journeyman type qbs?

Hey, I'm just playing along. I'll take a proven QB over an unproven QB any day.

I think the key here is what would you do if you were the Falcons. You'd really trade Matt Ryan for Jon Kitna? I'm sure Falcon fans can breathe a sigh of relief that Dimitroff is in control instead of you.

 

[FUBAR]

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

Brady Quinn

basically 10 starters that I prefer Ryan to.

 

[Restricted]

13. It started to get difficult at the age/experience against potential.

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Marc Bulger, STL

 

[Boston]

I think Ryan was one of the smartest picks in this past draft. The kid is talented. Not only that he's all class, is a hard-worker, is a leader and knows how to deal with the media. These traits are becoming more and more important as the QB has more responsibilities put on him both on and off the field. In a situation like Atlanta with the Vick debacle still lurking bringing in a QB and person of Ryan's caliber is that much more important and I think Dimitroff fully understood that which is why he made the tough decision to pass on Dorsey.

As far as QBs I'd take over Ryan long term (because it's totally unfair to look at it any other way) here's who I'd go with:

Brady

Big Ben

Palmer

Manning

Romo

Manning

Brees

Hasselbeck

You can definetly make a case for Rivers and Garrard (I'm not a huge Cutler fan and I think Ryan is better suited for the pro game than VY) but I think Ryan has more potential upside.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

Brady Quinn

basically 10 starters that I prefer Ryan to.

No additions allowed.And, uh, whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

 

[SSOG]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).

So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

That's 18 starters over Ryan. The guys in red are the absolute, no hesitation, no-brainer, cackle all the way to the bank choices. They're young enough that you can count on a significantly long contribution from them (at least 6 more years in all cases), and they've all proven an above-average level of ability at the NFL level in my mind. The guys in green I had to think about for a bit. They're either very reliable players without much shelf life left (McNabb, Hass), or guys who are very young and have a long career ahead of them, but who still haven't convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that they'll be consistently above-average starters. I'd take all of them, but I'd think about it for a second. The just-plain-bolded guys gave me the most pause. They're either guys who I strongly suspect might be done (Bulger) or else guys who I really am not high on at all (Rivers, Manning, Russell). What sold these four on me, finally, was the fact that over half of first-round QBs bust. Even if they wind up being nothing but mediocre for years to come, I'm going to prefer them over an unproven rookie QB, especially an unproven rookie QB like Ryan who I simply didn't like in the first place. The hardest decision for me was Ryan vs. Russell in the showdown of overrated QBs drafted high simply because a team at the top desperately needed a QB. Neither had any consistently eye-popping production in college. Ryan had the better final season, but he's got measurables typically reserved for a late-second round choice. Russell had a worse final season, but his measurables are much better, which made me lean in his direction. I don't really like either.

 

[eagles2007]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).

So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

That's 18 starters over Ryan. The guys in red are the absolute, no hesitation, no-brainer, cackle all the way to the bank choices. They're young enough that you can count on a significantly long contribution from them (at least 6 more years in all cases), and they've all proven an above-average level of ability at the NFL level in my mind. The guys in green I had to think about for a bit. They're either very reliable players without much shelf life left (McNabb, Hass), or guys who are very young and have a long career ahead of them, but who still haven't convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that they'll be consistently above-average starters. I'd take all of them, but I'd think about it for a second. The just-plain-bolded guys gave me the most pause. They're either guys who I strongly suspect might be done (Bulger) or else guys who I really am not high on at all (Rivers, Manning, Russell). What sold these four on me, finally, was the fact that over half of first-round QBs bust. Even if they wind up being nothing but mediocre for years to come, I'm going to prefer them over an unproven rookie QB, especially an unproven rookie QB like Ryan who I simply didn't like in the first place. The hardest decision for me was Ryan vs. Russell in the showdown of overrated QBs drafted high simply because a team at the top desperately needed a QB. Neither had any consistently eye-popping production in college. Ryan had the better final season, but he's got measurables typically reserved for a late-second round choice. Russell had a worse final season, but his measurables are much better, which made me lean in his direction. I don't really like either.

not just good posting, but great posting.but i'll raise some objections to a few things:

1) i'm not sure garrard is a red qualifier here. i want to see more out of him.,

2) what does eli have to do other than win another super bowl?

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

It's tuff to come to a direct answer. I ended up going with majority as it turned out but was thinking as hi as around 11th and as low as mid 20's. Just depends. You don;t want to throw the kid to the wolves. Vick comeing back next year? It might be smart for Atlanta trade the kid to somewhere he can get a fair chance.

 

[FUBAR]

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

Brady Quinn

basically 10 starters that I prefer Ryan to.

No additions allowed.And, uh, whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

I don't think I meant to bold Smith, but he's about equal I think. People are writing him off too early.

 

[Fallerjw]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?Tom Brady, NEPeyton Manning, INDCarson Palmer, CINTony Romo, DALDrew Brees, NOBen Roethlisberger, PITMatt Hasselbeck, SEADonovan McNabb, PHIDerek Anderson / Brady Quinn CLEEli Manning, NYGJay Cutler, DENPhilip Rivers, SDVince Young, TENJon Kitna / Drew Stanton DETMarc Bulger, STLDavid Garrard, JAXJake Delhomme, CARAaron Rodgers, GBMatt Schaub, HOUMatt Leinart, ARIJason Campbell, WASJeff Garcia, TBTrent Edwards, BUFAlex Smith, SFJaMarcus Russell, OAKChad Henne, MIA

Looks like quite a few for me.

 

[3C's]

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

 

[gigantor]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).

So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

 

[BassNBrew]

Personally I'd rahter have Delhomme for the next 3 years over Ryan. that said I wouldn't trade them straight up becuase of the perceived value Ryan carries.

 

[Interseptopus]

Might as well add Brian Brohm to the list

 

[sholditch]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?Tom Brady, NEPeyton Manning, INDCarson Palmer, CINTony Romo, DALDrew Brees, NOBen Roethlisberger, PITMatt Hasselbeck, SEADonovan McNabb, PHIDerek Anderson, CLEEli Manning, NYGJay Cutler, DENPhilip Rivers, SDVince Young, TENJon Kitna, DETMarc Bulger, STLDavid Garrard, JAXJake Delhomme, CARAaron Rodgers, GBMatt Schaub, HOUMatt Leinart, ARIJason Campbell, WAS---------------------------Jeff Garcia, TBTrent Edwards, BUFTarvaris Jackson, MINAlex Smith, SFJaMarcus Russell, OAK (exception)Rex Grossman, CHIKellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJBrodie Croyle, KCKyle Boller/Troy Smith, BALJosh McCown, MIA

 

[B Maverick]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).

So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

 

[Abraham]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?Tom Brady, NEPeyton Manning, INDCarson Palmer, CINTony Romo, DALDrew Brees, NOBen Roethlisberger, PITMatt Hasselbeck, SEADonovan McNabb, PHIDerek Anderson, CLEEli Manning, NYGJay Cutler, DENPhilip Rivers, SDVince Young, TENMarc Bulger, STLDavid Garrard, JAXAaron Rodgers, GBMatt Schaub, HOUMatt Leinart, ARIJaMarcus Russell, OAK

 

[brock]

i'd take all the starters and prolly a couple of backups over spending the #3 on ryan.

 

[Irish]

A lot of you guys would make Matt Millen look like a genuis. You are running a NFL franchise and you would trade a young promising potential frachise type qb for some old journeymen type qbs who have won nothing in their careers? Brilliant.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

if this was a scenario where the falcons could exchange Ryan for any X amount of QB's to win this year i think there would prolly be atleast 30QB's they'd rather have, if not more. hell if the falcons wanted to win a few more games this year they should start Redman all year

 

[SSOG]

not just good posting, but great posting.but i'll raise some objections to a few things: 1) i'm not sure garrard is a red qualifier here. i want to see more out of him.,2) what does eli have to do other than win another super bowl?

1) that's fair enough, but I'm sold. It's not like he just had a very good year last year. It's not like he just had a great year last year. He had a legitimately AMAZING year last year. 7.7 ypa, 6:1 TD:INT ratio, 102 QB rating... that is an AMAZING stat line, certainly not the stat line of a mere "game manager". DVOA rated him as the second-best QB in the league on a per-play basis, behind only Tom Terrific. Normally I'd like to see two very good years out of someone before becoming convinced that it wasn't just a fluke, but I make exceptions if the one year was sufficiently great, and not out of nowhere. There have been rumblings for a couple of years now that Garrard was perhaps the best backup in the league (a la Matt Schaub), and those rumblings usually have some basis in fact. Jacksonville also believed enough in him to jettison Byron Leftwich- who was no David Carr- in Garrard's favor. Add it all together and Garrard is the last name that gets the red, but still a name that I made red with confidence.2) Improve his accuracy, stop overthrowing his receivers, and show some consistency. Eli didn't win that SB for the Giants, the Giants D-line won that SB. How much credit does Eli deserve for the SB win, in my mind? More than Trent Dilfer, that's for sure. Maybe about as much credit as Brad Johnson deserves for the Bucs superbowl. I think both QBs were roughly equal in their contributions to the cause. Both played well in getting the team there, but neither is a world-beater. This isn't meant as an insult to Eli Manning, as I think Brad Johnson was a nice enough QB- you don't hang around for that long if you're not- it's just that he was no Rich Gannon that year (or any year, for that matter).Part of the reason why I'm still down on Eli is because he got really hot at the end of the year, but only over a small sample, and I've seen this act before from him. Remember the beginning of 2005? He opened with a 14:5 TD:INT ratio over his first 8 games, and closed with a 10:12 ratio. He's never thrown fewer than 17 INTs in a season, and he LED THE LEAGUE in interceptions last year. His career comp% is under 55%, his career *BEST* YPA was 6.8 (he only had 6.3 last season), and his career best QB rating is 77. He's basically been Jake Plummer to this point in his career, except without the excuse that his supporting cast on offense was one of the worst in the history of the sport. Too inconsistent, too inaccurate, terrible decision making, poor ball control, and all-around plain old mediocre QBing. Until he shows me consistently that he's anything other than a mediocre QB with a few hot streaks mixed in among long stretches of positively killing his team, then I'm not going to get on the bandwagon, regardless of how many SBs his passrushers win for him. Probably not a popular opinion, but my opinion nonetheless.

 

[massraider]

All the guys in bold. I'd take his youth and promise over the rest, that aren't bad players, necessarily. I wavered on Leinart.



Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think Matt Ryan will follow in Joey Harrington's footsteps.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

Jon Kitna, DET

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Rex Grossman, CHI

Chad Pennington, NYJ

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

I would take him over these guys

 

[Jiggyonthehut]

Garrard still overlooked on these boards? Tsk tsk.

 

[FUBAR]

Garrard still overlooked on these boards? Tsk tsk.

what else must he do?

 

[UnknownCoach]

Unless you are rebuilding, you want a veteran starting. So nearly all of them. However if you are rebuilding or can afford to sit Ryan on your bench behind a veteran QB for a couple years, its a different question. I think Ryan is a great prospect close to the level Eli Manning was. That doesnt mean I want him to start for me now. I'd much rather get to the playoffs and have a shot at the superbowl.

 

[FairWarning]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).

So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

That's 18 starters over Ryan. The guys in red are the absolute, no hesitation, no-brainer, cackle all the way to the bank choices. They're young enough that you can count on a significantly long contribution from them (at least 6 more years in all cases), and they've all proven an above-average level of ability at the NFL level in my mind. The guys in green I had to think about for a bit. They're either very reliable players without much shelf life left (McNabb, Hass), or guys who are very young and have a long career ahead of them, but who still haven't convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that they'll be consistently above-average starters. I'd take all of them, but I'd think about it for a second. The just-plain-bolded guys gave me the most pause. They're either guys who I strongly suspect might be done (Bulger) or else guys who I really am not high on at all (Rivers, Manning, Russell). What sold these four on me, finally, was the fact that over half of first-round QBs bust. Even if they wind up being nothing but mediocre for years to come, I'm going to prefer them over an unproven rookie QB, especially an unproven rookie QB like Ryan who I simply didn't like in the first place. The hardest decision for me was Ryan vs. Russell in the showdown of overrated QBs drafted high simply because a team at the top desperately needed a QB. Neither had any consistently eye-popping production in college. Ryan had the better final season, but he's got measurables typically reserved for a late-second round choice. Russell had a worse final season, but his measurables are much better, which made me lean in his direction. I don't really like either.

Great post. If Atlanta can solve its OL and defensive problems, Ryan would have a greater margin of error. Right now, he is in a horrible position.

 

[SSOG]

For funsies (yes, I just said funsies... wanna make something of it? ), here are all of those QBs ranked by their career QB ratings. The two numbers after the QB rating are YPA and AYPA.

96.5 8.3 7.3 Tony Romo, DAL

94.7 7.7 7.0 Peyton Manning, IND

92.9 7.2 6.7 Tom Brady, NE

92.5 8.1 7.0 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

90.1 7.3 6.4 Carson Palmer, CIN

88.9 7.2 6.3 Chad Pennington, NYJ

88.2 7.4 6.5 Jay Cutler, DEN

88.1 7.5 6.6 Marc Bulger, STL

87.9 7.0 6.2 Drew Brees, NO

87.7 7.0 6.6 David Garrard, JAX

87.2 6.9 6.3 Jeff Garcia, TB

86.6 7.0 6.3 Philip Rivers, SD

86.2 7.1 6.4 Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

85.8 6.8 6.3 Donovan McNabb, PHI

85.2 7.2 6.3 Jake Delhomme, CAR

80.7 7.3 6.1 Matt Schaub, HOU

78.9 7.1 5.8 Derek Anderson, CLE

77.3 6.4 5.5 Jason Campbell, WAS

76.8 6.6 5.4 Jon Kitna, DET

73.4 6.3 5.1 Eli Manning, NYG

73.3 5.6 5.0 Aaron Rodgers, GB

71.9 6.0 4.8 Kyle Boller

71.6 6.3 4.9 Josh McCown, MIA

71.2 6.5 5.3 Matt Leinart, ARI

70.9 6.6 5.3 Rex Grossman, CHI

70.4 6.1 5.0 Trent Edwards, BUF

69.0 6.4 4.9 Vince Young, TEN

69.0 6.4 4.7 Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

65.8 5.4 4.1 Brodie Croyle, KC

63.5 5.8 4.3 Alex Smith, SF

60.7 6.1 4.5 Kellen Clemens

55.9 5.7 3.2 JaMarcus Russell, OAK

This pretty nicely sums up my feelings on Eli Manning, who to this point in his career has been more John Kitna and Kyle Boller than anything else. Other points worth making... though Chad Pennington is CLEARLY not the same guy he was before his injuries, he doesn't deserve the level of vitriol directed at him. He's had a ypa of almost 7 and a QB rating over 80 in both of the last two seasons. He's not a worldbeater like he once was, but based on what everyone says about him, you'd expect him to be David Carr or Joey Harrington, here. Also, the Broncos homer in me can't help but point out that Cutler ranks 7th in QB rating, 5th in ypa, and 7th in AYPA through his first 21 games as a starter.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Tom Brady, NE

Peyton Manning, IND

Carson Palmer, CIN

Tony Romo, DAL

Drew Brees, NO

Ben Roethlisberger, PIT

Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Donovan McNabb, PHI

This group is too old

Derek Anderson, CLE

Eli Manning, NYG

Jay Cutler, DEN

Philip Rivers, SD

Vince Young, TEN

Jon Kitna, DET

Marc Bulger, STL

David Garrard, JAX

Jake Delhomme, CAR

Aaron Rodgers, GB

Matt Schaub, HOU

Matt Leinart, ARI

Jason Campbell, WAS

Jeff Garcia, TB

Trent Edwards, BUF

Tarvaris Jackson, MIN

Alex Smith, SF

JaMarcus Russell, OAK

Rex Grossman, CHI

Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington, NYJ

Brodie Croyle, KC

Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL

Josh McCown, MIA

BOLDED the Guys I rather have. Italic are the guys who need a little more time in the big leaguesbefore we can make decision

 

[Foosball God]

I'd add Stanton to that list. With the weapons he has he has to be there.

Dude, lay off the weed.

 

[Donnybrook]

Trent Edwards posted 5 wins in 9 starts in his rookie year. He certainly didn’t look intimidated or lost out there doing it.

I will wait to see how many wins Matt Ryan can get his rookie year before I pass judgement.

BTW: Aaron Rodgers plays well in 3/4 of a game on a 13 win team and now he is ranked top 20. Sell high

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Assume you're the Falcons, and you could trade Ryan for any other NFL team's starting QB. Assume you could have either Ryan or Team X's QB, at either Ryan's contract or QB of Team X's contract (and you can get Ryan at the other guy's contract, or the other guy at Ryan's contract. Just focus on the player).

So how many QBs would you rather have? Where do you draw the line?

I think you have SIX levels of players, the first three I would take over Ryan without any question but the fourth level is close, the next level is a push, and last level I definitely take over Ryan.1. Tom Brady, NE - Peyton Manning, IND - Carson Palmer, CIN - Ben Roethlisberger, PIT - Tony Romo, DAL - Drew Brees, NO

No debate, these are elite and Ryan would be fortunate to become a QB of the caliber of the top six QBs in the league.

2. Donovan McNabb, PHI - Derek Anderson, CLE - Eli Manning, NYG - David Garrard, JAX - Marc Bulger, STL

These guys have displayed top QB production, have shown leadership, and/or have untapped potential on top of production. Dave Garrard doesn't fit in with the sort or production the others have but IMHO he took a big step forward last year in terms of leadership. No way would I take Matt Ryan over Dave Garrard. DA threw 29 TDs and lead a perrenial also-ran to double digit wins in fifteen starts. He's got all sorts of weapons and just signed an extension and will be go in as the undisputed starter in the second year in an offensive system that the entire offense knows. Add Duante Stallworth and extra depth on the O-Line and a sleeper TE in the draft and then look at the unproven Matt Ryan situation. Eli hasn't been nearly as bad as the assinine NY media makes him out to be. Inconsistent but not nearly as bad as some claim. Look at his career, steady improvement and then he broke through last year. No way do you take Ryan over Eli. McNabb has to be looked at an elite who is also a gimp puppy. Fantastic QB when healthy, still has some great years ahead but he will surely be hurt at times as well. Still no way would I take Matt Ryan over Donovan McNabb.

3. Jay Cutler, DEN - Matt Hasselbeck, SEA

Hass is older but still a great QB. I think he's got two to three good seasons left in him but I'm not as crazy about his supporting cast right now or I'd have him higher. I must confess I did NOT like what I had seen of Jay Cutler last year. I felt he got WAAAAAAAAY TOOO MUCH LUV for what I saw of him but then the news of his diabetes broke and I had a an AHA moment. THAT explains what I saw last year. A guy who seemed to fade at the end of last year. He looked weak and couldn't win games at the end. I didn't see a killer instinct but I saw a guy with a great gun who should have been posting huge numbers in a high powered offense. Now his situation is fluid. He should be fine but taking six insuline shots a day and playing a high pressure postion, hmmn. I'd still take Jay over Ryan but he just squeeks in under the wire as a definite QB I'd take over Matt Ryan.

I lean to taking these guys but its not a slam dunk

4. Philip Rivers, SD - Vince Young, TEN - JaMarcus Russell, OAK

I have to seriuosly question the maturity of Philip Rivers. His taunting antics in games last year reeked of a guy who doesn't understand his role as a leader on his team. His injury isn't something to sluff off either. I haven't seen him produce the big time stats but I lean to him over Ryan who hasn't done anything. VY is a leader but I don't know what to make of him as an NFL QB yet. I can't argue with how he powered his team to wins in his rookie season or how he took a very poor supporting cast on offense to the post season. He is a leader and I want to see what he can do with a supporting cast. I don't take Matt Ryan over VY. JaMarcus Russell is a big question mark. Incredible measureables but he has to step up and be a leader and that means taking the lead in off-season workouts. He's a pro athlete and he's supposed to be a leader. What sort of respect can he expect from team mates who show up and do excrutiating workouts and come in at tip-top shape and rolly polly southern boy comes in wiping crispy cream crumbs from his pie hole? I still take JaMarcus over Ryan just based on sheer upside. Russell takes that going away but he's got to step up.

This is either a push or slight favor/disfavor over Ryan. I included two QBs that were left off and they should have been put into the mix.

5. Jon Kitna, DET - Jake Delhomme, CAR - Aaron Rodgers, GB - Matt Schaub/Sage Rosenfels[/u], HOU - Matt Leinart, ARI - Brady Quinn, CLE

Jason Campbell, WAS - Jeff Garcia, TB - Trent Edwards, BUF

Kitna is too old, he will be replaced I would take Ryan on that alone but Kitna has produced and shown himself a capable starter but I'd still take Ryan based on upside. Jake has done some incredible things for not having much talent but now he's getting up there and he's starting to get injured. I can argue taking Ryan for those three reason, talent-age-injury but the Panthers didn't make a move to replace him so I think he's healthy so I take the proven vet over the unproven Matt Ryan. I'm not sold on Rodgers but I like the time he's spent tutoring under Farve and learning the system. I'm not sure of his durability but we don't know anything of Matt Ryan so its a push in my eyes. I'm not enthralled with Matt Schaub I like Sage Rosenfels over Schaub to tell the truth and that is why I put him into the mix. I think its a push right now for a few reasons. Gary Kubiak has really shown himself as an offensive minded coach. I love what he has done with the O-Line down there. I think he's going to surround those guys with talent but a guy entering his second season in that system who has shown he can play has an edge over a kid who hasn't done anything. I'm not crazy about Schaub though so I see it as a push. Sage won't get a shot without an injury but if he gets a legit shot I think he'd do better than Schaub, still a push. I don't know what the deal is with Lienart. He looked awful last year. I question his mental toughness at this point so I'm leaning to Matt Ryan over Lienart at this juncture but its no slam dunk. I see a dead heat of Ryan with Quinn, both unproven but Quinn is entering his second year and he's under contract already. If Ryan holds out he's years behind Quinn even though the path to becoming a starter is open for Ryan. He's not nearly as ready to start as Quinn is and his supporting cast isn't nearly as good as Brady Quinn has in Cleveland. I would lean towards Quinn but it is going to take longer before he gets his shot to start so I see a push. I'm not sold on Cambell yet. He's got years of development but I am not buying him yet. Garcia is vastly underrated but too old. Only based on age do I take Ryan but if Jeff were five years younger I take him over the unproven Ryan. I love Trent Edwards and think he's going to be a solid pro. I like the cast they are putting around him as well so I lean towards Edwards over Ryan.

I take Ryan over these guys and added Flacco.

6. Tarvaris Jackson, MIN - Alex Smith, SF - Rex Grossman, CHI - Kellen Clemens/Chad Pennington - NYJ, Brodie Croyle, KC - Kyle Boller/Troy Smith, BAL - Josh McCown, MIA - Joe Flacco, BALR

Tavaris Jackson is horrible, I take Ryan over him any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Same with Alex Smith who should liose his starting job this year. Rex Grossman isn't close to Ryan. I don't like Clemmens and think Pennington should be the starter but it seems the Jets don't want him. Brodie Croyle is not even close to Matt Ryan. Boller has shown he's not an NFL QB. I like Troy but Joe is the future. I actually like Josh but they won't give him a shot. Flacco is a Div- I AA guy who comes from a shotgun offense. He's got a two-year transition before he's at the level that Matt Ryan is at right now, edge Ryan.

 

[SSOG]

Trent Edwards posted 5 wins in 9 starts in his rookie year. He certainly didn’t look intimidated or lost out there doing it. I will wait to see how many wins Matt Ryan can get his rookie year before I pass judgement.

Rex Grossman was 13-3 in his first 16 starts. Wins are an overrated means of measuring a QB.

 

[SSOG]

Eli hasn't been nearly as bad as the assinine NY media makes him out to be. Inconsistent but not nearly as bad as some claim. Look at his career, steady improvement and then he broke through last year.

Ummm... what? Here are Eli Manning's year-by-year numbers over the last three years, with his best year in each category bolded.Yards- 3762, 3244, 3336

TDs- 24, 24, 23

INTs- 17, 18, 20

YPA- 6.8, 6.2, 6.3

AYPA- 5.8, 5.1, 5.0

Comp%- 52.8, 57.7, 56.1

QB Rating- 75.9, 77.0, 73.9

No matter how you slice it, last year, his "breakout" year, was his WORST SEASON as a professional. He threw 20 INTs. Jake Plummer threw 20 picks in 2004 when we were in the middle of the "Jake the Mistake" era, but Plummer also threw in 27 TDs and 4000 yards to Eli's 23 TDs and 3300 yards. Plummer also had 7.8 ypa to Eli's 6.3, and an 85 rating to Eli's 74. Looking at his career, I see NO improvement (steady or otherwise)- I see REGRESSION, and even his breakout year was kind of pathetic- not even 7 ypa or an 80 QB rating. He's never thrown fewer than 17 picks in a season. The guy is every bit as bad as some claim, but just because he managed to string 2-3 solid games together at the right time and his defense decided to play the biggest defensive game since the Giants shut down the Bills, suddenly all of his faults are glossed over?

I must confess I did NOT like what I had seen of Jay Cutler last year. I felt he got WAAAAAAAAY TOOO MUCH LUV for what I saw of him but then the news of his diabetes broke and I had a an AHA moment. THAT explains what I saw last year. A guy who seemed to fade at the end of last year. He looked weak and couldn't win games at the end. I didn't see a killer instinct but I saw a guy with a great gun who should have been posting huge numbers in a high powered offense. Now his situation is fluid. He should be fine but taking six insuline shots a day and playing a high pressure postion, hmmn. I'd still take Jay over Ryan but he just squeeks in under the wire as a definite QB I'd take over Matt Ryan.

Jay Cutler gets too much love for what he's done? Let's put what he's done into perspective, shall we? Here's a comparison of Jay Cutler through 21 games with a couple of other QBs through 21 games:Quarterback.....Cmp...ATT....PCT...Yds...TD...INT...RTG

Jay Cutler............378...604....62.6...4498...29....19....88.2

Tom Brady...........411...632....65.0...4415...31....18....89.9

Peyton Manning...432...751....57.5...5134...37....35....75.5

Brett Favre...........374...603....62.0...3926...20....18....79.5

Remember that Cutler did all of this with undiagnosed Type 1 diabetes, too. After just 21 games as a pro, he's already 7th in the NFL in career QB rating and 5th in career YPA. Cutler is well deserving of the praise that is heaped on him. He's earned his place alongside Roethlisberger, Romo, and Palmer as "the next big thing" at QB.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Cutler is a stud. More on this later.

But I'm really surprised so many people are taking Hasselbeck over Ryan. Obviously team horizons tell the story here -- the Chargers would rather have Hasselbeck than Ryan, and the Dolphins would rather have Ryan than Hasselbeck -- but I think the majority of teams would choose Ryan on their team, and Ryan would command more in the open market.

 

[SSOG]

Cutler is a stud. More on this later.But I'm really surprised so many people are taking Hasselbeck over Ryan. Obviously team horizons tell the story here -- the Chargers would rather have Hasselbeck than Ryan, and the Dolphins would rather have Ryan than Hasselbeck -- but I think the majority of teams would choose Ryan on their team, and Ryan would command more in the open market.

I've been thinking about this more and I've changed my mind. I agree with you- Hass doesn't deserve to be above Ryan right now, even if I *don't* like Matt Ryan. I also wouldn't take McNabb over Ryan, despite the fact that I'm a HUGE McNabb fan.With Hass or McNabb, you're looking at 3-4 more quality years, in all likelihood. Maybe they can hang on for a couple more mediocre years after that, maybe not. After that, you need a new franchise QB, but you're in no position to go get one because Hass or McNabb guided your team to a consistently above-average record. You're forced to trade up for a QB prospect of Ryan's caliber, and then you have to go through the same crapshoot you would have had to with Ryan in the first place. Will he pan out? Will it be a good draft for QBs? At this point in their careers, Hass and McNabb are just band-aids, sort of like Plummer was when he went to Denver. Very, very good band-aids- some of the best band-aids in the league, in fact. Band-aids that you'll be able to achieve a very good amount of success with. Still, when it comes down to it, eventually you're going to need a longer-term option.I don't like Matt Ryan, any more than I liked Russell last year. Still, the fact remains that NFL scouts know a heckuvalot more than I do, so I might as well roll the dice with Ryan and hope I'm wrong. If I'm not, at least I'll be in a prime position to draft Ryan's replacement 3-4 years from now.