How much longer does Gore and Sjax hold there elite "TRADE VALUE& (1 Viewer)

[mcintyre1]

What do you guys think about a:

Steven Jackson

for

McFadden

M. Bush

2010 2nd

Trade? I'm the Jackson owner. I haven't completely given up on McFadden like others, but I'm not crazy about this trade.

 

[gandalas]

I've been offered Gore for my A Johnson straight up in my keeper league. It is close to a fair deal but I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger. Opinions?

What other RBs and WRs do you already have, and PPR or non-ppr?EDIT: In a Vacuum, where the rest of the team does not matter, I would not do this trade. WRs are generally productive well into their mid 30s, while RBs flame out much sooner. I just see AJ having about 3 or 4 MORE seasons of studness than Gore. I would not do it.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

This is why I love dynasty leagues. Everyone overvalues youth (as if Gore and Sjax are old) and stockpile it like it'll be the currency to own once the world ends. Not to pat myself on the back, but this is precisely why I'm successful in these leagues. While a lot of owners are attracted to the shiny new object over here, I take Sjax/Gore at a "discount" and get paid. While you are still waiting to get in the playoffs with all of your young pups (some of which may never pan out), I'm playing with the house's money for the next 5 years.The most savvy owners can build a mix of productive vets/young upside to win now AND build for the future. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Guys seem to be so caught up in building a future super team, that they end up donating for 3-4 years for a CHANCE at making it a reality. You put yourself in such a hole early on in a league that you almost have to go on a dominating run 3-4 years down the road just to break even. No thanks.It's crazy to me that Chris Wells, for example, is valued by some higher than Steven Jackson.

Curious. Did you buy LT and Westy last yr at discount prices?

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

You have already begun losing value for these guys, lots of value IMO. Also what doesn't help is that you picked 2 injury prone RBs to discuss. Usually you could sell a 27 yr old RB for a good return... something like a top 3 rookie pick and mid-tier player. I think you'll be able to sell Peterson / Jones Drew / Johnson and still get a very good return in 2 seasons baring any type of crazy injury to either of them. But you know what; beginning next season their value will begin to drop a little because all 3 will be 26 in 2011. Once all 3 are 28 your better off just holding on to them for the last yrs.Jackson and Gore are entering their 7th and 6th season and both have a lot of miles and a injury history so it shouldn't a surprise when other owners begin rejecting your trade offers to them. I think last yr would have been the right time to ship these guys away, 208 would have been a great time to move SJax when he was being Drafted in the top 3 of Start ups... did anyone actually think he would finish in the top 3 of RBs that yr?Good FF Owners are aware of not only age but Mileage as well. Look at Portis, he had solid #s going into last season but you couldn't move him. Hell he was being drafted somewhere in the mid-rounds beginning in 08 when he was turning only 27!!! DWill is going to turn 27, same age as Gore and Jackson but with a lot less mileage and less injury history.. so ofcourse his value is a lot more than the other 2. But I would say this is the last yr to get good value; especially after he had 2 good seasons. Even if he has another good season people are going to reply with "how long does he have".Take the case of Shonn Greene, kid looked great when he touched the ball and hes in a great situation... what there not to like? He'll be 25 when the season starts. Hes like a new car, after you draft him this yr and drive him off the lot his value will begin falling. A good rule of thumb is to beginning shipping the RBs out inbetween ages 26 - 27 to get a good return; the top guys who have no to little injury history can wait an extra yr but thats hit. Once an RB hits 28 on your roster I would just hold him unless you rebuilding... don't expect much in return though.WRs I think you can get a good return inbetween ages 27 - 29.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Also want to add this, Im no Sjax owner but i do own Gore in one of my 5 dynastys.

I am holding currently cause i have him paired with AP. I do have alot of youth in my farm though.

Also traded for the 1.01 pick which i will get another nice young buck....most likely wont be a rb though.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

What do you guys think about a:Steven Jacksonfor McFaddenM. Bush2010 2ndTrade? I'm the Jackson owner. I haven't completely given up on McFadden like others, but I'm not crazy about this trade.

Im no fan of Dmac but i would think you could get a better offer than that. Ive seen Sjax traded in my FBG STAFF/POSTERS league for more than that. I mean if you a Dmac and Bush fan cool...i would think you could atleast get a future 1st even if 2011 out of that deal.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

You have already begun losing value for these guys, lots of value IMO. Also what doesn't help is that you picked 2 injury prone RBs to discuss. Usually you could sell a 27 yr old RB for a good return... something like a top 3 rookie pick and mid-tier player. I think you'll be able to sell Peterson / Jones Drew / Johnson and still get a very good return in 2 seasons baring any type of crazy injury to either of them. But you know what; beginning next season their value will begin to drop a little because all 3 will be 26 in 2011. Once all 3 are 28 your better off just holding on to them for the last yrs.Jackson and Gore are entering their 7th and 6th season and both have a lot of miles and a injury history so it shouldn't a surprise when other owners begin rejecting your trade offers to them. I think last yr would have been the right time to ship these guys away, 208 would have been a great time to move SJax when he was being Drafted in the top 3 of Start ups... did anyone actually think he would finish in the top 3 of RBs that yr?Good FF Owners are aware of not only age but Mileage as well. Look at Portis, he had solid #s going into last season but you couldn't move him. Hell he was being drafted somewhere in the mid-rounds beginning in 08 when he was turning only 27!!! DWill is going to turn 27, same age as Gore and Jackson but with a lot less mileage and less injury history.. so ofcourse his value is a lot more than the other 2. But I would say this is the last yr to get good value; especially after he had 2 good seasons. Even if he has another good season people are going to reply with "how long does he have".Take the case of Shonn Greene, kid looked great when he touched the ball and hes in a great situation... what there not to like? He'll be 25 when the season starts. Hes like a new car, after you draft him this yr and drive him off the lot his value will begin falling. A good rule of thumb is to beginning shipping the RBs out inbetween ages 26 - 27 to get a good return; the top guys who have no to little injury history can wait an extra yr but thats hit. Once an RB hits 28 on your roster I would just hold him unless you rebuilding... don't expect much in return though.WRs I think you can get a good return inbetween ages 27 - 29.

Every player SHOULD be dropping in value the moment after they "break out". For a long time, many folks didn't put much stock in age for dynasty leagues. I was a crusader in many threads saying age should be a bigger factor than some make it. Now we've seen a swing in the opposite direction which is good.But what I think is now happening (as a reaction to several big name guys falling off of a cliff with little warning), is that there seems to be some sort of semi-arbitrary young/old cutoff that doesn't quite make sense. ADP and MJD are "young", whereas sJax is sipping into "old" category. But that's not what should happen either. It should be a somewhat gradual depreciation over time, and I'm not sure we are there yet. If you are looking at a 2nd year stud and comparing him to a 4th or 5th year stud, you would expect a significant change in value, but you don't really. If a guy is perceived as "young" he gets "full" value, and if he's getting older he may get totally hammered in value, where the year before he's totally fine. Just a weird phenomenon.

 

[Christo]

This is why I love dynasty leagues. Everyone overvalues youth (as if Gore and Sjax are old) and stockpile it like it'll be the currency to own once the world ends. Not to pat myself on the back, but this is precisely why I'm successful in these leagues. While a lot of owners are attracted to the shiny new object over here, I take Sjax/Gore at a "discount" and get paid. While you are still waiting to get in the playoffs with all of your young pups (some of which may never pan out), I'm playing with the house's money for the next 5 years.

The most savvy owners can build a mix of productive vets/young upside to win now AND build for the future. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Guys seem to be so caught up in building a future super team, that they end up donating for 3-4 years for a CHANCE at making it a reality. You put yourself in such a hole early on in a league that you almost have to go on a dominating run 3-4 years down the road just to break even. No thanks.

It's crazy to me that Chris Wells, for example, is valued by some higher than Steven Jackson.

The problem I'm experiencing (and what seems to be the gist of the thread) is that (1) if you own them, no one is willing to give fair value or (2) if you don't own them, owners are expecting fair value. I haven't been able to get either at a discount.

 

[doowain]

You have already begun losing value for these guys, lots of value IMO. Also what doesn't help is that you picked 2 injury prone RBs to discuss. Usually you could sell a 27 yr old RB for a good return... something like a top 3 rookie pick and mid-tier player. I think you'll be able to sell Peterson / Jones Drew / Johnson and still get a very good return in 2 seasons baring any type of crazy injury to either of them. But you know what; beginning next season their value will begin to drop a little because all 3 will be 26 in 2011. Once all 3 are 28 your better off just holding on to them for the last yrs.Jackson and Gore are entering their 7th and 6th season and both have a lot of miles and a injury history so it shouldn't a surprise when other owners begin rejecting your trade offers to them. I think last yr would have been the right time to ship these guys away, 208 would have been a great time to move SJax when he was being Drafted in the top 3 of Start ups... did anyone actually think he would finish in the top 3 of RBs that yr?Good FF Owners are aware of not only age but Mileage as well. Look at Portis, he had solid #s going into last season but you couldn't move him. Hell he was being drafted somewhere in the mid-rounds beginning in 08 when he was turning only 27!!! DWill is going to turn 27, same age as Gore and Jackson but with a lot less mileage and less injury history.. so ofcourse his value is a lot more than the other 2. But I would say this is the last yr to get good value; especially after he had 2 good seasons. Even if he has another good season people are going to reply with "how long does he have".Take the case of Shonn Greene, kid looked great when he touched the ball and hes in a great situation... what there not to like? He'll be 25 when the season starts. Hes like a new car, after you draft him this yr and drive him off the lot his value will begin falling. A good rule of thumb is to beginning shipping the RBs out inbetween ages 26 - 27 to get a good return; the top guys who have no to little injury history can wait an extra yr but thats hit. Once an RB hits 28 on your roster I would just hold him unless you rebuilding... don't expect much in return though.WRs I think you can get a good return inbetween ages 27 - 29.

The key to this is getting young production in return for these guys you trade away. You can't simply trade them for draft picks. If you consistently rollover your squad like this you are going to have cycles where you are competitive and then rebuilding, then competitive, and so on. It's possible to trade these guys off and still remain a contender. It really doesn't have to be one or the other.

 

[doowain]

This is why I love dynasty leagues. Everyone overvalues youth (as if Gore and Sjax are old) and stockpile it like it'll be the currency to own once the world ends. Not to pat myself on the back, but this is precisely why I'm successful in these leagues. While a lot of owners are attracted to the shiny new object over here, I take Sjax/Gore at a "discount" and get paid. While you are still waiting to get in the playoffs with all of your young pups (some of which may never pan out), I'm playing with the house's money for the next 5 years.The most savvy owners can build a mix of productive vets/young upside to win now AND build for the future. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Guys seem to be so caught up in building a future super team, that they end up donating for 3-4 years for a CHANCE at making it a reality. You put yourself in such a hole early on in a league that you almost have to go on a dominating run 3-4 years down the road just to break even. No thanks.It's crazy to me that Chris Wells, for example, is valued by some higher than Steven Jackson.

Curious. Did you buy LT and Westy last yr at discount prices?

I most certainly did not. Curious. Are you comparing a 26/27 year old SJax/Gore to a 30/31 year old LT/Westy?

 

[SayWhat?]

This is why I love dynasty leagues. Everyone overvalues youth (as if Gore and Sjax are old) and stockpile it like it'll be the currency to own once the world ends. Not to pat myself on the back, but this is precisely why I'm successful in these leagues. While a lot of owners are attracted to the shiny new object over here, I take Sjax/Gore at a "discount" and get paid. While you are still waiting to get in the playoffs with all of your young pups (some of which may never pan out), I'm playing with the house's money for the next 5 years.The most savvy owners can build a mix of productive vets/young upside to win now AND build for the future. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Guys seem to be so caught up in building a future super team, that they end up donating for 3-4 years for a CHANCE at making it a reality. You put yourself in such a hole early on in a league that you almost have to go on a dominating run 3-4 years down the road just to break even. No thanks.It's crazy to me that Chris Wells, for example, is valued by some higher than Steven Jackson.

Curious. Did you buy LT and Westy last yr at discount prices?

I most certainly did not. Curious. Are you comparing a 26/27 year old SJax/Gore to a 30/31 year old LT/Westy?

Exactly what I was going to say. Comparing two 30+ running backs who were clearly nearing the cliff to two 26/27ish running backs who haven't yet shown any signs of slowing or age (besides Jackson's back problems) seems way off.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

This is why I love dynasty leagues. Everyone overvalues youth (as if Gore and Sjax are old) and stockpile it like it'll be the currency to own once the world ends. Not to pat myself on the back, but this is precisely why I'm successful in these leagues. While a lot of owners are attracted to the shiny new object over here, I take Sjax/Gore at a "discount" and get paid. While you are still waiting to get in the playoffs with all of your young pups (some of which may never pan out), I'm playing with the house's money for the next 5 years.The most savvy owners can build a mix of productive vets/young upside to win now AND build for the future. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Guys seem to be so caught up in building a future super team, that they end up donating for 3-4 years for a CHANCE at making it a reality. You put yourself in such a hole early on in a league that you almost have to go on a dominating run 3-4 years down the road just to break even. No thanks.It's crazy to me that Chris Wells, for example, is valued by some higher than Steven Jackson.

Curious. Did you buy LT and Westy last yr at discount prices?

I most certainly did not. Curious. Are you comparing a 26/27 year old SJax/Gore to a 30/31 year old LT/Westy?

Strickly for value assesments. Now in my earlier post i did say i expect both of those guys to produce at high levels. But as you can see there value is already slippin...look at some of these ridiculous offers for Sjax. Also just cause you 26/27 doesnt mean the bottomcant be fallin out see Portis (27). See Ronnie Brown (28) those guys are worthless and hard to get anything of value for.

 

[finito]

This is why I love dynasty leagues. Everyone overvalues youth (as if Gore and Sjax are old) and stockpile it like it'll be the currency to own once the world ends. Not to pat myself on the back, but this is precisely why I'm successful in these leagues. While a lot of owners are attracted to the shiny new object over here, I take Sjax/Gore at a "discount" and get paid. While you are still waiting to get in the playoffs with all of your young pups (some of which may never pan out), I'm playing with the house's money for the next 5 years.The most savvy owners can build a mix of productive vets/young upside to win now AND build for the future. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Guys seem to be so caught up in building a future super team, that they end up donating for 3-4 years for a CHANCE at making it a reality. You put yourself in such a hole early on in a league that you almost have to go on a dominating run 3-4 years down the road just to break even. No thanks.It's crazy to me that Chris Wells, for example, is valued by some higher than Steven Jackson.

Curious. Did you buy LT and Westy last yr at discount prices?

I most certainly did not. Curious. Are you comparing a 26/27 year old SJax/Gore to a 30/31 year old LT/Westy?

Strickly for value assesments. Now in my earlier post i did say i expect both of those guys to produce at high levels. But as you can see there value is already slippin...look at some of these ridiculous offers for Sjax. Also just cause you 26/27 doesnt mean the bottomcant be fallin out see Portis (27). See Ronnie Brown (28) those guys are worthless and hard to get anything of value for.

Ronnie Brown's value is directly affected by the number of injuries he has had. If he didn't have major injuries nearly every season he would be worth more. I don't think he works as a comparison.Portis fits very well though IMO, but I personally don't put SJax and Gore in his category for 3 more seasons - I think both will be good for a few more years.

 

[doowain]

This is why I love dynasty leagues. Everyone overvalues youth (as if Gore and Sjax are old) and stockpile it like it'll be the currency to own once the world ends. Not to pat myself on the back, but this is precisely why I'm successful in these leagues. While a lot of owners are attracted to the shiny new object over here, I take Sjax/Gore at a "discount" and get paid. While you are still waiting to get in the playoffs with all of your young pups (some of which may never pan out), I'm playing with the house's money for the next 5 years.

The most savvy owners can build a mix of productive vets/young upside to win now AND build for the future. It doesn't have to be one or the other. Guys seem to be so caught up in building a future super team, that they end up donating for 3-4 years for a CHANCE at making it a reality. You put yourself in such a hole early on in a league that you almost have to go on a dominating run 3-4 years down the road just to break even. No thanks.

It's crazy to me that Chris Wells, for example, is valued by some higher than Steven Jackson.

Curious. Did you buy LT and Westy last yr at discount prices?

I most certainly did not. Curious. Are you comparing a 26/27 year old SJax/Gore to a 30/31 year old LT/Westy?

Strickly for value assesments. Now in my earlier post i did say i expect both of those guys to produce at high levels.

But as you can see there value is already slippin...look at some of these ridiculous offers for Sjax. Also just cause you 26/27 doesnt mean the bottom

cant be fallin out see Portis (27). See Ronnie Brown (28) those guys are worthless and hard to get anything of value for.

Not sure what this statement means. Their values aren't even close to comparable for several reasons....beginning with the driving point of this thread-- AGE.Ronnie Brown (and to a lesser extent Portis) have NO merit in this discussion. Ronnie has never been elite and/or healthy for a full season in his career.

 

[Grahamburn]

Strickly for value assesments. Now in my earlier post i did say i expect both of those guys to produce at high levels.

But as you can see there value is already slippin...look at some of these ridiculous offers for Sjax. Also just cause you 26/27 doesnt mean the bottom

cant be fallin out see Portis (27). See Ronnie Brown (28) those guys are worthless and hard to get anything of value for.

Really?!Ronnie Brown had been pretty spectacular leading up to two season ending injuries in 07 and 09, and had a fairly decent season in 2008.

I'd reserve judgement on his worthlessness until I see him in training camp. He could have 2 or 3 very productive years left.

 

[cstu]

Strickly for value assesments. Now in my earlier post i did say i expect both of those guys to produce at high levels.

But as you can see there value is already slippin...look at some of these ridiculous offers for Sjax. Also just cause you 26/27 doesnt mean the bottom

cant be fallin out see Portis (27). See Ronnie Brown (28) those guys are worthless and hard to get anything of value for.

Really?!Ronnie Brown had been pretty spectacular leading up to two season ending injuries in 07 and 09, and had a fairly decent season in 2008.

I'd reserve judgement on his worthlessness until I see him in training camp. He could have 2 or 3 very productive years left.

He means worthless in trade value. No one will give much for a oft-injured RB who turns 29 this year.

 

[SSOG]

To be perfectly honest, I don't know how SJax could be rated above Gore in dynasty right now. And again, this is coming from one of the biggest SJax fans on the board. Gore's done the whole "stud RB carrying a terrible offense" thing just like SJax has ... but Gore's also now logged TWO YEARS as a fantasy uberstud compared to Jackson's 1, and Gore is healthier, has less mileage, and is playing in a better offense.

While extreamly similar in value, I think currently Sjax has to get the edge due to speculation from what we are hearing from each team.STL has stated several times that they want to upgrade their backup Runningback.

With SF we have seen some rumors of them taking a change of pace back early in the draft.

SF is a solid enough team that they can afford to take a RB early enough. STL still has too many holes to address their RB2 need in the first several rounds of the draft. Even the thought of Gore losing a chunk of carries to a Spiller or Best has owners thinking twice about making a move for him.

As long as Jackson is healthy, I dont see any reason he wont see 350 touches again.

San Fran can take a CoP back, for all I care. Frank Gore was a top 5 fantasy back last year with just 229 carries. Can you honestly envision any scenario where FRANK FREAKING GORE gets fewer than 229 carries in the next 3 years (barring injury)? For comparison purposes... DeAngelo Williams (a guy with an honest-to-goodness CoP back eating into his pie) posted 219 carries in 13 games last year (16.6 carries per game compared to Gore's 16.4 c/g). Whether San Fran takes C.J. Spiller or not (and I highly doubt they're going to take C.J. Spiller), I expect Gore to have more carries next year than he had last year (when he finished as a top 5 fantasy RB). Even in a crowded backfield, Gore would stand alone as the big dog... and when you're as good and as productive as Gore has been, you don't need bellcow status to be a stud. Big dog status is plenty.With that said, the rumors that SF is going to draft another RB look like nothing more than smoke to me.

Again, excellent counterpoints. I could be a little biased because Gore is a guy I've avoided since he came in to the league.

Fantasy points are the bottom line, so maybe I shouldn't disrespect Gore's 2009 - it was a good one, no doubt. I just get a little hesitant when a guy's production relies fairly heavily on TDs. Those tend to come and go depending on the year, whereas yards are a little more predictable. It's not like Gore's NOT getting yards, but TDs are what put him into the elite category in 2009.

Also, to be clear, I don't know that I'd consider Gore to be particularly "injury prone" because of his reconstructions, but rather that the actual useful lifespan of those joints has been compromised. I don't have any statistical evidence to support that notion, but it makes sense to me. Guys just don't seem to last as long after major work like that.

All in all though, you may be right, maybe there is not a ton of difference.

Gore's 13 TDs are hardly a historical outlier like DeAngelo's 20 TDs in 2008. There were 11 players in the NFL (8 RBs, 2 WRs, and a TE) who had as many or more. While 13 TDs might not happen next year, it's not like it's such a freakishly unsustainable value we should be projecting a 33% decrease next year. Maybe he only gets 12 TDs, or 11 TDs. Then again, maybe he doesn't miss what amounts to 3 games and he finishes with 14 TDs. None of that is unreasonable. Especially when you consider that the TE that scored 13 TDs was Gore's teammate, Vernon Davis. 13 TDs *IS* unsustainable for a TE, and those scores could easily wind up getting redistributed among the rest of the team next year.As far as the reconstructions... I'm no doctor, but again, I've heard that knees are usually more structurally sound after reconstruction than they were before reconstruction. I haven't ever seen any evidence of reconstructions having a "limited lifespan".

What do you guys think about a:

Steven Jackson

for

McFadden

M. Bush

2010 2nd

Trade? I'm the Jackson owner. I haven't completely given up on McFadden like others, but I'm not crazy about this trade.

Surprised he didn't offer to throw in an already chewed stick of gum while he was at it. Maybe some pocket lint and the rights to Plaxico Burress, too.

 

[Hendo]

As a previous Sjax owner I saw this coming last season so I tried to prepare before hand and did that trade at the trade deadline last season:

Sjax+McFadden+Royal for Benson+JStew+GJennings

That trade not only allowed me to win the championship last season but it also landed me the 1.02 pick this coming draft(Hoping for Mathews) as I turned around and packaged Benson and the 1.14 for Ronnie Brown(trade fodder) and the 1.02

Best trading master piece I ever done in my 10 years of playing FF.... so if u guys need a trade reference this is what i couped

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Based on some of the things I'm seeing (Sjax for McFadden...are you kidding me?) I don't even see the point in unloading them. It seems like these guys already have the value of a 28-29 year old coming off knee surgery, so what the heck is the point in trading them as a 26-27 year old coming off a good season when you're getting that kind of value in return?

This is overcorrection by the FF community. A few people got burned not selling early enough on a few 30 year olds and now are trying so hard to stay one step ahead that they end up four steps ahead instead.

Unless everyone here is some kind of FF diva, we all miss on prospects more than we hit on them. If grabbing a prospect and waiting a few years for him to develop and then MAYBE him working out is all just so we can hold him for 1-2 years before we sell him "before he gets old" for more prospects, what is the point? Eventually (probably quickly) you're going to miss with those prospects and be left with nothing.

I mean, at the going rate we're going to be having this same discussion about MJD in a year and a half. The guy JUST turned into a top player.

 

[SSOG]

Based on some of the things I'm seeing (Sjax for McFadden...are you kidding me?) I don't even see the point in unloading them. It seems like these guys already have the value of a 28-29 year old coming off knee surgery, so what the heck is the point in trading them as a 26-27 year old coming off a good season when you're getting that kind of value in return?

It's like a lot of people are thinking "well, Gore's value will be X next year... so I'm just going to value him at X this year rather than risk losing any value!". The thinking should instead be "if Gore's value will be X next year, and he's going to produce Z this year, then I should value him at Y, which is equal to the sum of X plus the marginal value provided by Z".

In the dynasty thread, I talk about people running their team like stock portfolios, and this is the perfect example. Buying low and selling high is a nice idea, but some people treat it like it's the entire goal of fantasy football. It's not. The goal is to score more points in any given week than the guy you're playing against. Gore and SJax might not help you increase your stock portfolio, but they'll sure as hell help you with that scoring points thing.

 

[Sinrj]

Based on some of the things I'm seeing (Sjax for McFadden...are you kidding me?) I don't even see the point in unloading them. It seems like these guys already have the value of a 28-29 year old coming off knee surgery, so what the heck is the point in trading them as a 26-27 year old coming off a good season when you're getting that kind of value in return?

It's like a lot of people are thinking "well, Gore's value will be X next year... so I'm just going to value him at X this year rather than risk losing any value!". The thinking should instead be "if Gore's value will be X next year, and he's going to produce Z this year, then I should value him at Y, which is equal to the sum of X plus the marginal value provided by Z".

In the dynasty thread, I talk about people running their team like stock portfolios, and this is the perfect example. Buying low and selling high is a nice idea, but some people treat it like it's the entire goal of fantasy football. It's not. The goal is to score more points in any given week than the guy you're playing against. Gore and SJax might not help you increase your stock portfolio, but they'll sure as hell help you with that scoring points thing.

 

[Riffraff]

If one only looks at RB as a 3-4 year position, these guys are definitely in the plan to compete for the title for the next 3. Not every RB lasts 7-8 years in the league. Only the good ones do.

However, this is the wrong time of year to try and sell them as everyone has rookie fever and every rookie is a stud in the making. Can't miss prospects.

26 is the new 29 during draft season, those guys are old - sell sell sell. But in November and December the average 22 year old is like the new 20 year old... maybe next year he'll be starter worthy. Maybe.

 

[RustyFA2]

It's like a lot of people are thinking "well, Gore's value will be X next year... so I'm just going to value him at X this year rather than risk losing any value!". The thinking should instead be "if Gore's value will be X next year, and he's going to produce Z this year, then I should value him at Y, which is equal to the sum of X plus the marginal value provided by Z".

In the dynasty thread, I talk about people running their team like stock portfolios, and this is the perfect example. Buying low and selling high is a nice idea, but some people treat it like it's the entire goal of fantasy football. It's not. The goal is to score more points in any given week than the guy you're playing against. Gore and SJax might not help you increase your stock portfolio, but they'll sure as hell help you with that scoring points thing.

I would just like to say this is a great post. Well done/

 

[az_prof]

Personally, I feel that SJax is going to lose it this year. He has serious back injuries and those only get worse and cannot be fixed with surgery easily. I think Gore has one more top flight year and then his wheels fall off in 2011. Wouldn't be surprised to see SF draft a future replacement to groom this year as Gore's backup.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

As a previous Sjax owner I saw this coming last season so I tried to prepare before hand and did that trade at the trade deadline last season:

Sjax+McFadden+Royal for Benson+JStew+GJennings

That trade not only allowed me to win the championship last season but it also landed me the 1.02 pick this coming draft(Hoping for Mathews) as I turned around and packaged Benson and the 1.14 for Ronnie Brown(trade fodder) and the 1.02

Best trading master piece I ever done in my 10 years of playing FF.... so if u guys need a trade reference this is what i couped

Thats great, but not all of us are in leagues with owners who would fall for that.

 

[Hendo]

As a previous Sjax owner I saw this coming last season so I tried to prepare before hand and did that trade at the trade deadline last season:

Sjax+McFadden+Royal for Benson+JStew+GJennings

That trade not only allowed me to win the championship last season but it also landed me the 1.02 pick this coming draft(Hoping for Mathews) as I turned around and packaged Benson and the 1.14 for Ronnie Brown(trade fodder) and the 1.02

Best trading master piece I ever done in my 10 years of playing FF.... so if u guys need a trade reference this is what i couped

Thats great, but not all of us are in leagues with owners who would fall for that.

that trade does not look lopsided if you looked at last season.

 

[SayWhat?]

As a previous Sjax owner I saw this coming last season so I tried to prepare before hand and did that trade at the trade deadline last season:

Sjax+McFadden+Royal for Benson+JStew+GJennings

That trade not only allowed me to win the championship last season but it also landed me the 1.02 pick this coming draft(Hoping for Mathews) as I turned around and packaged Benson and the 1.14 for Ronnie Brown(trade fodder) and the 1.02

Best trading master piece I ever done in my 10 years of playing FF.... so if u guys need a trade reference this is what i couped

Thats great, but not all of us are in leagues with owners who would fall for that.

that trade does not look lopsided if you looked at last season.

Really? Because Royal and McDadden had proved to be basically worthless by the trade deadline last year.