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How will CV affect the NFL? (1 Viewer)

Coronavirus task force member Dr. Anthony Fauci believes the NFL will have a difficult time playing the 2020 season unless it is conducted in a "bubble" environment. 

"Unless players are essentially in a bubble — insulated from the community and they are tested nearly every day — it would be very hard to see how football is able to be played this fall," Fauci said. "If there is a second wave, which is certainly a possibility and which would be complicated by the predictable flu season, football may not happen this year." It could be argued that Fauci is just stating the obvious, but at least publicly, the NFL has not even considered the possibility. The league has gone to great pains to insist the season will go off as scheduled, albeit likely without fans. Hopefully the NFL is doing more planning behind the scenes than what has been reported publicly. The league's vast number of personnel would make a bubble extraordinarily difficult to pull off.  

SOURCE: ESPN

Jun 18, 2020, 10:14 AM ET
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NFL Network's Mike Garafolo reports the NFL is looking into adding four more players to the practice squad.

The threat of multiple players testing positive for the coronavirus during the season all at once has the NFL nervous. Rightfully so. Adding a handful more spots at the end of the roster should be a no brainer this season, especially because the NFL already went from 10 practice-squaders per team to 12 with the new CBA. Expect more wrinkles like this one to be discussed with the NFL season kicking off in less than 100 days.

SOURCE: Mike Garafolo on Twitter

Jun 17, 2020, 9:26 PM ET
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Faust said:
"Unless players are essentially in a bubble — insulated from the community and they are tested nearly every day — it would be very hard to see how football is able to be played this fall," Fauci said.
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I completely agree and maybe the most worrying thing is I haven't heard any talk of this from the NFL. Maybe those discussions are going on behind the scenes. I certainly hope so. People nearly lost their minds when the possibility of "player bye weeks" were discussed and some star players might miss a game or two a season. Now imagine a star player(or three) missing 5 games because he has covid. I assume they will test before every game... so what happens when your QB tests positive shortly before the game? You change your entire gameplan on the fly? FOUR more players to the practice squad just sounds like the smallest of bandaid solutions to this and makes me think Goodell is completely out of touch with reality.

It's one of the reasons I can't imagine how a college football season can happen anywhere close to what we have seen in the past. It's impossible to keep that many traveling teams/players/coaches in any type of controlled environment..... oh, and the guys taking all the risks so the NCAA can rake in all that money aren't getting paid in any way. 

 
BoltBacker said:
I completely agree and maybe the most worrying thing is I haven't heard any talk of this from the NFL. Maybe those discussions are going on behind the scenes. I certainly hope so. People nearly lost their minds when the possibility of "player bye weeks" were discussed and some star players might miss a game or two a season. Now imagine a star player(or three) missing 5 games because he has covid. I assume they will test before every game... so what happens when your QB tests positive shortly before the game? You change your entire gameplan on the fly? FOUR more players to the practice squad just sounds like the smallest of bandaid solutions to this and makes me think Goodell is completely out of touch with reality.

It's one of the reasons I can't imagine how a college football season can happen anywhere close to what we have seen in the past. It's impossible to keep that many traveling teams/players/coaches in any type of controlled environment..... oh, and the guys taking all the risks so the NCAA can rake in all that money aren't getting paid in any way. 
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I know this is the NFL thread, but since you mentioned the NCAA...13 new University of Texas players have tested positive 4 days after voluntary workouts began.  10 others are in self quarantine. They had 2 test positive last week, and  4 other players tested positive for antibodies.  

 
Galileo said:
I know this is the NFL thread, but since you mentioned the NCAA...13 new University of Texas players have tested positive 4 days after voluntary workouts began.  10 others are in self quarantine. They had 2 test positive last week, and  4 other players tested positive for antibodies.  
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So when did they take the test?  Did they show up with it in their system, get tested on Monday, and reported positive today?  Or have they been testing every day since Monday, all negative, and suddenly today they were all positive. I haven’t seen any of these articles that make the timeline clear for any of these college or pro teams. 

At the end of the day it’s the same problem for the sports, but it sure would be helpful to analyze if they are getting it at the facilities or bringing it in from a bunch of different directions. 
 

Has anyone seen this clarified?

 
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LTsharks said:
So when did they take the test?  Did they show up with it in their system, get tested on Monday, and reported positive today?  Or have they been testing every day since Monday, all negative, and suddenly today they were all positive. I haven’t seen any of these articles that make the timeline clear for any of these college or pro teams. 

At the end of the day it’s the same problem for the sports, but it sure would be helpful to analyze if they are getting it at the facilities or bringing it in from a bunch of different directions. 
 

Has anyone seen this clarified?
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I don't know the answers to your questions--but one thing that I do know is that the accuracy of the tests are questionable.  Some reports claim that tests are only 70-80% accurate--but companies like Abbott claim that their test is 90-95% accurate. The problem is this--footbal is a team sport that involves and requires lots of players, coaches, position coaches, equipment personel, trainers, and support crew (people providing food, hydration, field maintenance..etc).   Lets say they are using a really accurate test that is 90% accurate. Well if they have 100 people at a training facility/workout--that means perhaps 10 people are misdiagnosed every day.  In the NFL--you are looking at 32 teams--which means you are looking at upwards of 320 people a day leaguewide where their test results could be innaccurate. In college--there are far more teams--so that number is much higher.  Because of this--I'm really starting to believe that football in general is very likely in jeopardy this year in both the college and the NFL levels.  

 
Faust said:
Patriots: Fans at COVID risk can skip 2020, come back in '21
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Playing the games for TV with no fans is such a logical compromise to me, but I guess they’re going to wait until the last minute to hope for the revenue. 
 

I honestly don’t think this should be left up to the league. Some players getting it can be dealt with. Tens of thousands of people in a stadium elevates the risk for the whole city.  I can say that for sure I won’t be buying the tickets I normally do and that I really hope they don’t allow people in my city to go to any games this year unless something changes drastically. In Europe, playing games in empty stadiums is working fine. 

 
culdeus said:
How does this make fantasy even playable if they quarantine teams?
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Honestly why would this matter for FF? 

It definitely matters for other things, but if properly quarantined, on TV, and they actually play the season, I'm missing your point for FF.

I'm accepting that the season may not be played. If not played, a lot of us might not come back to FF.

 
cheese said:
Playing the games for TV with no fans is such a logical compromise to me, but I guess they’re going to wait until the last minute to hope for the revenue. 
 

I honestly don’t think this should be left up to the league. Some players getting it can be dealt with. Tens of thousands of people in a stadium elevates the risk for the whole city.  I can say that for sure I won’t be buying the tickets I normally do and that I really hope they don’t allow people in my city to go to any games this year unless something changes drastically. In Europe, playing games in empty stadiums is working fine. 
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Agreed with your point, also add that fans tend to travel to these games, and the result is bigger than the cities with teams.

 
-OZ- said:
Honestly why would this matter for FF? 

It definitely matters for other things, but if properly quarantined, on TV, and they actually play the season, I'm missing your point for FF.

I'm accepting that the season may not be played. If not played, a lot of us might not come back to FF.
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I'm guessing he's talking about the impact of a high number of players missing time. 

I don't agree that a lot of people won't come back to FF. Maybe a small number but don't see it being more than that.

 
Tool said:
I'm guessing he's talking about the impact of a high number of players missing time. 
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Gotcha, although I think that's more of a risk if they don't quarantine the teams.

Tool said:
I don't agree that a lot of people won't come back to FF. Maybe a small number but don't see it being more than that.
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Perhaps.  I know I'm far more likely to call it quits if we don't have this season. Or maybe just cut all but one league (which has been going since 2002). 

 
Profootballtalk's Mike Florio reports the league remains "highly optimistic" the 2020 season will go forward as scheduled. 

Per Florio, "less optimism exists that fans will be present for any of the games, however." The past week was one of COVID downers, with professional and collegiate athletes testing positive left and right. The NFLPA recommended on Saturday that its members stop informally working out together. The coronavirus is once again burning through a number of states, most notably Florida, Texas and Arizona. If those outbreaks remain raging a month from now when training camp is set to begin, the NFL will have a real quandary on its hands. 

SOURCE: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com 

Jun 20, 2020, 4:10 PM ET
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The NFLPA has recommended against its members working out together as the number of COVID-19 cases increases in many states. 

Players all across the league have spent June informally working out together. “Please be advised that it is our consensus medical opinion that in light of the increase in COVID-19 cases in certain states that no players should be engaged in practicing together in private workouts,” were the words of Dr. Thom Mayer, the NFLPA's medical director. “Our goal is to have all players and your families as healthy as possible in the coming months." It is the latest ominous 2020 sports development after Friday brought news of a wave of positive coronavirus tests across America's professional leagues. The NFL has adopted a universal training camp report date of July 28. If things continue to trend the way they have in many states, particularly Florida and Texas, that could be endangered. 

SOURCE: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com 

Jun 20, 2020, 2:50 PM ET
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ChiefD said:
There is no way the NFL plays this year.  Or college for that matter.
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"No way?"  I thought that too. But I was watching soccer on TV yesterday. To say "no way" just isn't accurate. 

 
Payne said:
"No way?"  I thought that too. But I was watching soccer on TV yesterday. To say "no way" just isn't accurate. 
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Just my opinion. I just can't see it happening. We've seen already what happens when football players get into close quarters working out. It's happened in the colleges already.

With so many people involved on a daily basis for football, I just cannot see how they are going to avoid infections. 

 
I've been reluctant to come read all this 'cuz I am trying to keep as optimistic as possible, but seeing how this country has handled the pandemic, it's looking less and less likely we'll be able to do it right.  Meaning it doesn't matter what's happened in Germany or Korea.  There's just too much slipping through the cracks.

 
ChiefD said:
Just my opinion. I just can't see it happening. We've seen already what happens when football players get into close quarters working out. It's happened in the colleges already.

With so many people involved on a daily basis for football, I just cannot see how they are going to avoid infections. 
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If that's the criteria then no sports would be playing for a while.  I think the NFL figures out a way but I think it's delayed, no fans, expanded rosters etc.  College I think is a completely different animal not sure how University Presidents sign off even with the large dollars it makes.  Too much liability since they are responsible for the entire student body. 

 
ChiefD said:
There is no way the NFL plays this year.  Or college for that matter.
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Agree 100%. Not happening. 

Sorry Roger.....The Golden Goose is dead this year. You can’t sweep this under the rug like CTE.

 
-OZ- said:
Honestly why would this matter for FF? 

It definitely matters for other things, but if properly quarantined, on TV, and they actually play the season, I'm missing your point for FF.

I'm accepting that the season may not be played. If not played, a lot of us might not come back to FF.
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Let's say it's similar to a Hurricane situation.  Entire team misses 2 games for quarantine.  How do you do a weekly schedule where there is uncertainty when you will even play the games, or how they will be made-up. 

 
Pipes said:
If that's the criteria then no sports would be playing for a while.  I think the NFL figures out a way but I think it's delayed, no fans, expanded rosters etc.  College I think is a completely different animal not sure how University Presidents sign off even with the large dollars it makes.  Too much liability since they are responsible for the entire student body. 
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Agreed. :(

Losing college ball for the year is HUGE. Bigger than the NFL, by far around here.

 
pantherclub said:
If I am trevor lawrence I am immediately leaving school.  Too much to risk
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Sure.

If the NFL is playing. 

culdeus said:
Let's say it's similar to a Hurricane situation.  Entire team misses 2 games for quarantine.  How do you do a weekly schedule where there is uncertainty when you will even play the games, or how they will be made-up. 
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Ok, I think I misunderstood. I'm assuming the teams actually are able to quarantine before the season and keep the players quarantined. That will be difficult for sure. Not to mention if a kicker, punter, long snapper, or other specialists get injured and the team looks to get a replacement.

 
I don't see a season happening.  I have doubts that they can achieve proper training camps without multiple set backs.  I also said it before in this thread--even if the tests are 90% accurate--there are soo many players, coaches, trainers, equipment personnel involved every week that there will be guaranteed exposures throughout the system. If somebody tests positive on a Monday after a game--what will they do--quarantine the rest of the team and the opposing team for 2 weeks? Unless they test each person multiple times before games--I just don't see how it can be done without major obstacles and setbacks. 

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
I don't see a season happening.  I have doubts that they can achieve proper training camps without multiple set backs.  I also said it before in this thread--even if the tests are 90% accurate--there are soo many players, coaches, trainers, equipment personnel involved every week that there will be guaranteed exposures throughout the system. If somebody tests positive on a Monday after a game--what will they do--quarantine the rest of the team and the opposing team for 2 weeks? Unless they test each person multiple times before games--I just don't see how it can be done without major obstacles and setbacks. 
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What has to happen is they have to live more or less in isolation for 4+ months seeing only their families (also isolated) and travelling and moving together.   

It's doable but in Texas we are willing to burn it all down to get an enchilada in air con. 

 
culdeus said:
What has to happen is they have to live more or less in isolation for 4+ months seeing only their families (also isolated) and travelling and moving together.   

It's doable but in Texas we are willing to burn it all down to get an enchilada in air con. 
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That is a huge undertaking that is much easier said than done.   If you add family into the bubble--you're looking at literally putting tens of thousands of people in full isolation (leage wide--figure players+personnel are 100-120per team at the bare minimum and there are 32 teams in the league.). If each player/personnel has a family of maybe 4--you're looking at complete isolation for 12000-15000 people.   You'd be looking at having to test those people several times per week, arranging safe ways to get food and groceries--you're looking at a massive amount of expense--all in a year where this is to be done fanless?   I just don't see how the economics of it would even make sense.  Don't get me wrong--I'd love for sports to come back--but I'm losing confidence in that being a reality solely based on the the massive amounts of moving parts involved. 

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
That is a huge undertaking that is much easier said than done.   If you add family into the bubble--you're looking at literally putting tens of thousands of people in full isolation (leage wide--figure players+personnel are 100-120per team at the bare minimum and there are 32 teams in the league.). If each player/personnel has a family of maybe 4--you're looking at complete isolation for 12000-15000 people.   You'd be looking at having to test those people several times per week, arranging safe ways to get food and groceries--you're looking at a massive amount of expense--all in a year where this is to be done fanless?   I just don't see how the economics of it would even make sense.  Don't get me wrong--I'd love for sports to come back--but I'm losing confidence in that being a reality solely based on the the massive amounts of moving parts involved. 
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That sweet tv money is still money. 

 
The Athletic's Daniel Kaplan reports the NFL will allow teams to "set different attendance capacity limits."

“Attendance will be a state-by-state, county-by-county thing,” were the words of Kaplan's source. “It will not be a one size fits all." Meaning, depending on the coronavirus restrictions in place in certain states, some teams could be forced to play before empty stadiums while others are allowed to have fans. That would be a foolish policy, for a variety of reasons. Aside from the public health concerns, it would creative a competitive imbalance. It would also provide incentive for teams to push the envelope, which will be the last thing many different areas need. The NFL has done an excellent job of applying universal COVID standards this offseason and would be well served by doing the same thing for the upcoming regular campaign. 

SOURCE: The Athletic 

Jun 23, 2020, 3:58 PM ET
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They're not having a season. They can't even get this thing under control in life, never mind among athletic participants. This is a nice comfort to think about, but it's unrealistic. There were 23 players testing positive at Clemson. Tampa was working out together and already has a bunch of cases. The likelihood of this not spreading given our federal response to it is great. I don't see how there's no season without placing players into unknown dangers heretofore unaddressed. How many lives are worth it? One? Two? What are we deciding here, and how grave is the outcome?

Very important things with very important consequences, I think.  

 
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