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If the whole team is terrible...why is it a bad decision to go with Rodgers over Favre if the rest of the team is just terrible anyways? You are making my point for me. With Favre, the team will still have their struggles.Meaning, the decision to go with Rodgers is best in the long run.
Amazing he can get those numbers having as many turn-overs as they did. What was it the Pack was +3. Especially considering the Texans defense is terrible. Seems to me if the pack had a decent offense this is a blow-out. Unfortunately the offense wasn't able to string drives together.Defense only gave up 21 points and generated a +3 turn-over difference even though the offense wasn't consistent. Texans gave up 21 points and won the game when Schaub led a game winning drive. Rodgers had the chance and did not get the job done. I think it was 3 and punt as the last packers drive. Funny how these other QB's are put in the same situation the last two week, Delhomme and now Schaub, and they deliver wins.
That's a good sign of things to come. He has to grow into the roll.
Everyone knows that Favre was not the long term solution. Once the offense get's going on a consistent basis these close games will be won.
Defense gave up 24 points actually.And I have said, the offense had it struggles today and you can't take that sack there.It was not 3 and punt on the last Packer drive.Funny how you don't blame the defense at all for giving up the drives to Delhomme and Schaub and just keep blaming only Rodgers and the offense.You are beyond help and in serious denial right now over that part of it.
The point is...if this team is so terrible...the whole team as scotty says. And I agree that whole team has played terrible at times...very inconsistent....but if they are all so bad. Then even Favre is not enough to make them a contender. In that case...he has to admit going with Rodgers this year has to be the right decision. If they are so bad and would not be good enough even with Favre...there was no reason to bring him back.And don't bring up 13-3 last year...its not last year anymore. This team is not playing nearly as well as last year...and its not all the offense.
Clearly Favre covered up for it last year when he was able to win the come-from-behind games that Rodger's, who is 0-5 in that respect this year, simply hasn't.
Most teams get a small window in which to compete for championships - the Packers deciding to play for the future while they were within one of those was a bad decision. It created an unnecessary distraction in pre-season. It kept the Packers from getting the Grant deal done, and getting him into camp on time - which caused his slow start.As a QB - Rodgers may have comparable or even better stats (althugh it seems like he gets a lot of "empty stats"- but he does not have the leadership qualities, nor does he inspire confidence when he is in the game that he can/will carry a team to victory.On a young team that is re-building - no brainer. Go with Rodgers. On a team in a championship window - you go with the solid veteran.
Clearly alot of things covered up for it. Lack of major injuries too.What big come from behind victories did Favre lead last year?Denver...Seattle (though, give some credit to the defense and Ryan Grant there too).
Let's give a big hand to Ryan Grant for his impactful game today, while we're at it. Had Rodgers won today, the story would have been that the defense kept them in it with the turnovers so that the QB could end the game, but he didn't. So instead the story is that the defense is the ultimate problem? Rodgers doesn't win you games.
Umm...Favre retired...it did not keep them from signing him earlier in the offseason (as they should have). They waited and it hurt them...but I don't think it kept them from signing Grant either.And his injury had something to do with his slow start. Is that because he missed 7 days of camp? I don't know...nobody can ever say that for sure.Empty stats? Why are his stats empty compared to Favre or anyone else?I think the rest of the team is also proving, they were not really in any championship window.
In all of my posts today, Id love for you to find one where I said defense was the ultimate problem today?I bet you will not find any.I have said this was an all around loss. Too inconsistent on Offense and defense. Offense was moving and you cannot take that holding or that sack there. You just cant. There is no excuse for that.But also, if you want to win a game like that....you cannot pin a team deep and let them march down the field and get the winning FG as time runs out. You just cannot defend that and say it is meaningless.
The defense is also what let the Giants escape with a win last year in the Championship game, or was it Favre's inability to close the game out when he had the ball and had the chance to win?
The offense has been inconsistent all year.Sorry for some reason I thought it was but it was actually 4 or 5 prior to the punt. Not much better except the one big play.On the scoring I was reference up to the last 5 minutes of the game or so.Sure they gave up the last drive but they also gave the offense chances all day. I take up for the defense for the simple reason so many people are blindly blaming them to forgive the shortcoming of the offense.
The Giants game was Favres and Co's inability to win that game. They had one thing going offensively and that was Favre. 29 yards rushing for the game. Defense giving up long drives to the Giants. Favre was unable to pull that game off and barring a broken defensive play by the Giants they were not winning it.
NFC title game was many things.Defenses inability to stop Burress.Offenses turnovers and inability to run the ball.Jarrett Bush not falling on that fumble.Bad pass on the INT.McCarthy, IMO, coaching terribly. I say that because all year the short passes worked so well. In that game, they seemed to go deeper alot. Even on the INT play, every pattern was 10-15 yards downfield or more (til Grant was slowly uncovering as Favre threw the ball).
Yes...the offense was inconsistent all day.But the one big play put them in FG range. IMO, right there things went to crap. Nice run negated by penalty. Then a pass attempt there. and of course in hindsight its easy to question the playcall, but why not run it again and force Houston to use timeouts or you get to milk the clock there...you can then pass on 3rd. But Rodgers there cannot take that sack. you just can't.And yes, it was the last drive...plus others. First drive of the game for a score...hard to blame the offense for that one.The D could not get off the field again on 3rd down today (and the offense could not stay on the field).Th epoint is...its not just either defense or offense...especially today.you keep getting on anyone who says anything about the defense...but you never put any blame on them. IMO, that is ridiculous given how this defense has played this year and how they have given up game winning drives.
Favre retired because he was pushed out the door by TT and co.Grant missed the entire off-season - when they were installing the new Rodgers-offense. A good organization would have had him signed early in the off-season to make sure he was part of the process.When you are 5-8 - then a whole lot of stats went towards a losing cause. Do you think the Jets are a more talented team? Me neither.
He was not pushed out...he may have felt that way...but he was not pushed out.Grant was around to see the offense...and I agree they should have signed him earlier. Favre did not stop that from happening all offseason. I have said they made an error there for sure.Do I think the jets are more talented. I think its close than many think.I think they have a better Oline for sure. Better RBs...better TE. WRs GB has the edge but its not as if Coles and Cotch are terrible.On D. Pretty close really.
I just get tired of the same excuse for the same thing..YESSSSSSSSSSSSS owens TD....back on topic. More consistency on offense when your D is getting turn-over after turn-over and game winning drives aren't happening at the end of games.
Wow.
Favre has been "encouraged" to leave ever since Thompson landed in Green Bay. The local media hinted at this many times and Thompson's reactions were always vanilla answers and "what he had to say." If anybody in their right mind thinks Thompson wanted Favre back this year, even last year, then they are insane. The one thing Thompson wanted was Favre out.
Even so, all Favre had to say was "I'm coming back next year" and it was a done deal.And I think we can agree that Favre is not shy about making his own decisions.
Ok, fine. Favre says he is coming back without retiring and everything is ready to go. No hostility at all. No "welcome back" type stuff either. Favre could have definitely handled things a bit better, no one would argue with that. With that said, Thompson, coming off of a 13-3 season, home Championship game, etc., was fine with the "decision." Hey, I don't want to rehash the same arguments, but I find it funny that people continue to believe, either wholeheartedly or in jest, that Thompson had nothing to do with Favre leaving.
Favre closing out the game: INT, almost INT, almost INT, sack, sack.
Is it 8-5 now?
Get your facts straight. Better yet don't. It's over. They made the decision because Favre is 39 and Rodgers is 24.Why is everyone re-living this every ####### day around here? It's over. Live with it.
Nor is the defense stopping anyone at the end of games.
Guess you could blindly blame the defense. Seems acceptable in this thread.Fact is a 10% 3rd down efficiency is going to kill you in any game. What did they manage 10 first downs all game.Jets Offense did not look good.
BS. Even in the most pro favre articles, he himself admits TT asked him to come back (not this season...but in others).Favre thinking he was getting pushed out because TT did not sign Moss or go after Mooch is not the same thing.And nobody is saying Thompson just wanted him back this year either. So why even make that statement?
I think he would have gotten the welcome back if he had not retired. If for nothing else, PR.Yes...he was fine with the decision.And sure Thompson had something to do with it...not by pushing. But by not stroking Favre's ego enough.
Not needed if you offense is making 1st downs, converting 3rd downs, and scoring. Packers were very inconsistent on offense and looked terrible.Go ahead and blame the defense regardless of how well the offense is playing.
Tough games for sure.Though, its not all on him as that defense was bad today too giving up that to San Fran.But so much for his ability to close out games from behind huh?
You mean like the offense did last week when it took the lead with under 2 minutes left?And nobody is saying the defense is totally to blame. Again, I have not done that with this game.But you continue to put it all on the offense and never blame the defense at all for anything. 3 games in row the defense has to share some blame in this...and you continue to refuse to put anything on them and only excuse their play.Sorry, that is ridiculous.
Did you notice the offense was terrible. 10% first down efficiency your defense is going to look bad. Favre or no Favre they stunk the place up.
Um, yeah. Did you read the sequence of posts which the above quote was applied too? It appears you did not since you stated something that was not even brought up in the other posts.
BS. You can blame both offense and defense.And nobody has blindly blamed the Packer D in this thread.Only one did in the game day thread.But one person continues to blindly make excuses for the Packer d based on one websites adjusted statitsics.
I noticed it was not good too.Also noticed neither was the D. Kind of the like the Packers today.Check out their 3rd down percentage for the defense. Not very good.
Listen, if you cannot accept that underneath it all, Thompson did not want Favre back, that is on you. Of course Thompson would say anything pro Packers because that is who he works for. You are kidding yourself if you believe Thompson wanted Favre back any of those years especially because the media kept bringing the Favre retirement talk up every off season. But, believe what you want because we all have read it in this thread. Oops, don't take that personally.
Jets offense was terrible today. When the offense converts only 10% of third down chances your D is not going to look good.Blaming the D is the excuse all the time or I wouldn't be posting.See I backed up my point with solid data.If you think the Packers getting 10% of their 3rd down attempts doesn't hurt the D fine. If you think not blowing a team out when you have a big edge in turn-overs, fine. What I saw was a terrible offense that got lucky to even be in the game at the end against a really, really bad defense. Thanks to the Defense it was close.
Where have I denied that he did not wanting him back this year? You won't find it.I have said over and over, IMO, based on his actual actions and things that happened...had Favre come back, Thompson would have been ok with it. He was not going to back and was also fine with him retiring.The other years, he would call Favre and ask him to come back. He knew Rodgers was not yet ready.We have all read this thread...and now you are again arguing things that I have never said.Good one.
Offense failed end of story. Sure the defense could do better but if your offense isn't going to move the ball, help in the field position battle, or score then get off the D. Once again 10% 3rd for the offense. Stinks. Favre, Rodgers, Romo, whoever. If that's how the offense is playing get off the D's back.
It ha not been the excuse all the time.But the past 2 weeks...the D has to take a huge share of the blame before this week. And that just happens to be when you popped your head in this thread.You backed up your point with adjust stats from one site.none of which fixes the fact that this D is not as good as last years. It just is not.It does not change the fact that while the offense was still working against NO...the D had already given up 31 points.That the special teams and D gave up the lead twice last week once the offense got things going.If you think the D giving up a higher 3rd down percentage this year (and the offense I believe was improved in the stats I posted prior to this game) than I can't help you.Only you can keep denying this defense has not played well....only you are blaming it all on one side of the ball.
It is useless debating with you. You refuse to see the entire thing...and continue to just blame it on one aspect to the game.There is no getting in to your head with this one. Everyone else...even those who have argued most against me in this thread will not come in here to back you up on this one.And I have said the offense shares in the blame for this game...it is you who continues to live in denial about the other side of the ball.
