Yes the adjusted numbers back up my point.Once again the 6 points per game can easily be found in the Saints game. Offense giving the ball to NO on the 3yd line. I use this because it's the one I remember because it is recent.The "adjusted" numbers on that site show that.The actual numbers do not agree.The numbers showed overall they are a better defense. Please re-check. They are giving up more points but allowing fewer yards per drive. This tells us that just possibly the offense is not doing as well. Which the numbers show. The big difference on the defense is where it has had to start defending. For example the 3 and 29 yd line in the saints game.I did not discredit the site...nor did I give it any value when it ranked Rodgers ahead actually.Im comparing how the 2 QBs have played this season. If we are talking about how Favre might do...looking at how he has played might give some insight.Never said it was wrong about Favre. I said having Peterson at 11 seemed an oddity especially with Mcllean ahead of him. Funny how you immediately try to discredit the site when it doesn't meet your needs.Once again your bring up Favre. Why when we are comparing Packers of last year to Packers of this year. To my knowledge Brett does not play for the Packers.sho nuff said:So you chose to believe that site when it supports your argument...but when it ranks Favre behind Rodgers that far you don't like it?How about these stats. I caught this while watching the NFL Network replay tonight of the Panthers/Packers game.zDragon said:See my post with data from Football outsiders. It shows the defense has improved according to the detailed stats at Football Outsiders and the Offense has went down in the rankings. This is adjustedsho nuff said:I don't know if they have a winning record with Favre right now.And, while its slim, with the Williams's suspension, they still have a longshot at the playoffs.zDragon said:Winning record with shot at play-offs equals much better. That is what was traded for the future of the franchise. A few more weeks and the Pack can start looking forward to tommorow. Luckily for the Pack they'll be able to pad the W column with losing teams the rest of the way.sho nuff said:That you heard and read it...does not make it a consensus. That is what I am disagreeing with.
I think they might be somewhat better...not "much" better at this point.
a 2 game swing is not "much" better.
Just like with your denying the defense is far worse...you are playing some semantics here and Im not going to keep doing it.
This thread seems to not be saying they would do much better with him by consensus at all.
Aaron Rodgers is 4th in the NFL on 3rd down passing with a 106.8 rating. Also on 3rd down he has thrown 10 TDs which is best in the NFL.
Favre? Not sure on his rank on 3rd down...but his rating is 71.1. A large chunk worse than Rodgers.
Now again, I hate the rating number and its arbitrary, it has some uses but is not the end all be all stat at all.
But that is a crazy difference for those of you who think Rodgers and the offense have struggled so much keeping drives alive.
Favre has completed a bit higher percentage on 3rd down (something like 67% to Rodgers 64%) However, Brett's 4 TD to 7 INT ratio on 3rd down is far worse than Rodgers 10 TDs to 4 INTs on 3rd down. Rodgers also has the edge in yards per attempt on 3rd down at 8.2 to Favre's 6.5.
Now...another interesting rating stat.
When behind, Rodgers rating is 88.1.
Favre's is 80.3.
For all those that think Brett is just this come from behind master...Rodgers is outperforming him when his team has been behind and when his team is tied.
I actually did not think it would be like that til I started looking.
Again more Favre comparisons. You bounce around a lot in what your focusing on.
You stated the defense was MUCH worse than last year. Now for some reason your comparing Favre and Rogers which has nothing to do with the Packers offense and Defense.
If you want to compare Favre to Rodgers you'd need to see the differnce in the Jets offense from last year to this year.
Jets Team offense last year was ranked 24th and are 19th with Favre so far this year. So an improvement was made. I'll have to look at drive stats tommorow but I'm sure they are better also.
Again, since he is not with GB, its not the end all be all...but its a start.
Yes...I stated defense was much worse. The actual numbers bear that out. You denied it...said something along the lines of far worse would be going from 5th to 20th...of course you ignored after I posted that they went from 6th to 23rd in points allowed.
The difference in the Jets from last year to this year is not comparing Favre to Rodgers. Its comparing Favre to Pennington/Clemmens. Rodgers was not the QB of the Jets last year. The Jets have also made other moves besides Rodgers...your comparison is part of the equation...but not all of it.
Unless allowing 6+ points per game more, 40 rushing yards per game more, and 11 more rushing TDs through 12 game compared to all of last year is somehow better.
It also tells us that possibly special teams sucks hind end too.
Wow...shocking you found another reason to bump the 3 and 29.
How about these that you continue to ignore?
70 yard TD,
41 yard scoring drive (after a 24 yard punt)
76 yard scoring drive
20 yard scoring drive for a FG (after a 62 yard kickoff return).
80 yard scoring drive
Only one of those had much to do with the offense...but a 24 yard punt made it worse...and all of those happened prior to the 3 and the 29.
Quit excusing poor play by this defense.
Field position or not...40 yards per game more on the ground is not better.
6+ points per game is not better.
11 more TDs through 12 games as compared to 16 games last season is not better.
No amount of spin or adjusted stats is going to help you there.
Why are you focusing on one game to make you point. Sure in that game everyone agrees the defense played bad but so did the offense. I have pointed out more games that the defense played good in that the offense did not.
Yes one number did have to do with the offense. Starting field position which was a huge drop and could easily account for the 6 point drop.
Once again you forget the impact that an offense that has dropped in EVERY category can have on a defense.
Hey I just found the site because someone posted it. I now realize how good the site is.
Check this out.
JIM SCHWARTZ, DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR, TENNESSEE TITANS
"The most accurate insight on the Web into why teams really win and lose."
MIKE EAYRS, RESEARCH DIRECTOR, GREEN BAY PACKERS
"Your work is much more scientific than most articles and I like how you have worked to build context into your measures."
REGG EASTERBROOK, NFL.COM
Tuesday Morning Quarterback, September 7, 2004
"Football Outsiders is, by a huge margin, the Web's best independent football site.
BILL SIMMONS, ESPN.COM
"More Cowbell" blog, September 12, 2005
"After watching what happened Sunday, it's clear that (a) the NFC South is the best division in football, and (b) Tampa Bay is better than anyone thought except for the guys at Football Outsiders."
JASCHA HOFFMAN, BOSTON GLOBE
Pigskin Pythagoras, February 1, 2004
"By measuring each of the 40,000-odd plays made in a typical NFL season and evaluating them according to a complex array of situational factors, Schatz aims to do nothing less than revolutionize football writing and analysis."
So if they rank the GB team defense at 9th versus 16th last year. I'll take their number a little more seriously than posters on this board.