How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now? (1 Viewer)

[zDragon]

BTW....back-to-back great games for FavreLOL

Favre closing out the game: INT, almost INT, almost INT, sack, sack.

Tough games for sure.Though, its not all on him as that defense was bad today too giving up that to San Fran.But so much for his ability to close out games from behind huh?

Did you notice the offense was terrible. 10% first down efficiency your defense is going to look bad. Favre or no Favre they stunk the place up.

I noticed it was not good too.Also noticed neither was the D. Kind of the like the Packers today.Check out their 3rd down percentage for the defense. Not very good.

Offense failed end of story. Sure the defense could do better but if your offense isn't going to move the ball, help in the field position battle, or score then get off the D. Once again 10% 3rd for the offense. Stinks. Favre, Rodgers, Romo, whoever. If that's how the offense is playing get off the D's back.

It is useless debating with you. You refuse to see the entire thing...and continue to just blame it on one aspect to the game.There is no getting in to your head with this one. Everyone else...even those who have argued most against me in this thread will not come in here to back you up on this one.And I have said the offense shares in the blame for this game...it is you who continues to live in denial about the other side of the ball.

I do see the entire thing your the one missing some of the picture. Offense 10% 3rd down conversions. Packers when turn-over battle nicely and they still look terrible.I noticed Dallas D didn't play well today. They gave up the winning drive to the steelers.

 

[zDragon]

I think the decision to go with Rodgers was the right one - he is the only thing this team has. The rest of the team is terrible.

We have a winner. Rodgers only good thing on the team.Yay!!!!!!

 

[Chachi]

BTW....back-to-back great games for FavreLOL

Favre closing out the game: INT, almost INT, almost INT, sack, sack.

Tough games for sure.Though, its not all on him as that defense was bad today too giving up that to San Fran.But so much for his ability to close out games from behind huh?

Did you notice the offense was terrible. 10% first down efficiency your defense is going to look bad. Favre or no Favre they stunk the place up.

I noticed it was not good too.Also noticed neither was the D. Kind of the like the Packers today.Check out their 3rd down percentage for the defense. Not very good.

Offense failed end of story. Sure the defense could do better but if your offense isn't going to move the ball, help in the field position battle, or score then get off the D. Once again 10% 3rd for the offense. Stinks. Favre, Rodgers, Romo, whoever. If that's how the offense is playing get off the D's back.

It is useless debating with you. You refuse to see the entire thing...and continue to just blame it on one aspect to the game.There is no getting in to your head with this one. Everyone else...even those who have argued most against me in this thread will not come in here to back you up on this one.And I have said the offense shares in the blame for this game...it is you who continues to live in denial about the other side of the ball.

Sho Nuff 464 posts now.I wonder how many times exactly sho nuff (who perceives himself as a defenseless victim) has told people they are stupid, arrogant, useless, etc;I'm sorry but 464 posts in one thread bickering with everyone is lame.

 

[Challenge Everything]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games.

+3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

 

[zDragon]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

 

[Chachi]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed.

I can let both of you know a fact, sho nuff will say you two are wrong, have no clue and are ignorant fools. By the way I agree, what you guys are saying isn't exactly far-fetched.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

 

[Challenge Everything]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

A defense that gives up 549 yards normally gives up more than 24 points. 549 yards yielding 24 points is pretty good.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Another horrible game by Favre

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Another horrible game by Favre

Huge loss for the Jets.

 

[zDragon]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

Your looking at one number and not considering how they got there.You think 549 total yards happen if the Packers have more successful drives? You realize if an offense is only completing 10% of it's third down conversions it's putting it's defense on the field early and often.You do realize the offense had a +3 turn over stat giving the offense chances to go ahead often. Instead you can just look at that big glaring 10% that shows inconsistency.Even Rodgers says that going 0-9 for a stretch is bad and he is playing inconsistent ball. But believe what you want. They are a great offense and the defense is the problem.

 

[renesauz]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

Your looking at one number and not considering how they got there.You think 549 total yards happen if the Packers have more successful drives? You realize if an offense is only completing 10% of it's third down conversions it's putting it's defense on the field early and often.You do realize the offense had a +3 turn over stat giving the offense chances to go ahead often. Instead you can just look at that big glaring 10% that shows inconsistency.Even Rodgers says that going 0-9 for a stretch is bad and he is playing inconsistent ball. But believe what you want. They are a great offense and the defense is the problem.

I don't give a damn how your offense is playing. If your defense is giving up 549 yards, you have some real problems on defense.I saw very little of that game today...but Rodgers' stat line looks pretty solid.

 

[CalBear]

BTW....back-to-back great games for FavreLOL

Favre closing out the game: INT, almost INT, almost INT, sack, sack.

Guess you could blindly blame the defense. Seems acceptable in this thread.Fact is a 10% 3rd down efficiency is going to kill you in any game. What did they manage 10 first downs all game.Jets Offense did not look good.

And that doesn't have anything to do with the QB?

 

[Pipes]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

Your looking at one number and not considering how they got there.You think 549 total yards happen if the Packers have more successful drives? You realize if an offense is only completing 10% of it's third down conversions it's putting it's defense on the field early and often.You do realize the offense had a +3 turn over stat giving the offense chances to go ahead often. Instead you can just look at that big glaring 10% that shows inconsistency.Even Rodgers says that going 0-9 for a stretch is bad and he is playing inconsistent ball. But believe what you want. They are a great offense and the defense is the problem.

Noone is saying the Packers offense is playing great but anyone who has a clue about football can tell you the Packers' defense has been terrible the last few weeks and mediocre at best over the course of the season.

 

[ScottyFargo]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

Your looking at one number and not considering how they got there.You think 549 total yards happen if the Packers have more successful drives? You realize if an offense is only completing 10% of it's third down conversions it's putting it's defense on the field early and often.You do realize the offense had a +3 turn over stat giving the offense chances to go ahead often. Instead you can just look at that big glaring 10% that shows inconsistency.Even Rodgers says that going 0-9 for a stretch is bad and he is playing inconsistent ball. But believe what you want. They are a great offense and the defense is the problem.

Noone is saying the Packers offense is playing great but anyone who has a clue about football can tell you the Packers' defense has been terrible the last few weeks and mediocre at best over the course of the season.

Does it REALLY matter how the defense is playing if A. the offense can't score when it gets a Defense gifted turnover IN THE RED ZONE and B. the offense does not close a game out with a score in FIVE OF 8 LOSSES?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

Your looking at one number and not considering how they got there.You think 549 total yards happen if the Packers have more successful drives? You realize if an offense is only completing 10% of it's third down conversions it's putting it's defense on the field early and often.You do realize the offense had a +3 turn over stat giving the offense chances to go ahead often. Instead you can just look at that big glaring 10% that shows inconsistency.Even Rodgers says that going 0-9 for a stretch is bad and he is playing inconsistent ball. But believe what you want. They are a great offense and the defense is the problem.

Noone is saying the Packers offense is playing great but anyone who has a clue about football can tell you the Packers' defense has been terrible the last few weeks and mediocre at best over the course of the season.

Does it REALLY matter how the defense is playing if A. the offense can't score when it gets a Defense gifted turnover IN THE RED ZONE and B. the offense does not close a game out with a score in FIVE OF 8 LOSSES?

The offense doesn't close a game out? Defense can't either I guess.Two games in a row GB had the oppenent pinned with little time left. Two games in a row they couldn't make a stop. They had Houston on their OWN 3 yard line and couldn't keep them from scoring.

 

[zDragon]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

Your looking at one number and not considering how they got there.You think 549 total yards happen if the Packers have more successful drives? You realize if an offense is only completing 10% of it's third down conversions it's putting it's defense on the field early and often.You do realize the offense had a +3 turn over stat giving the offense chances to go ahead often. Instead you can just look at that big glaring 10% that shows inconsistency.Even Rodgers says that going 0-9 for a stretch is bad and he is playing inconsistent ball. But believe what you want. They are a great offense and the defense is the problem.

I don't give a damn how your offense is playing. If your defense is giving up 549 yards, you have some real problems on defense.I saw very little of that game today...but Rodgers' stat line looks pretty solid.

So when your offense gets only 1 in 10 of it's third down tries you don't care? When the defense gives you a +3 turn over ration and you can't blow the team out?If that's the case then your a happy camper and can blame the defense, enjoy the losing record, and bask in the stat line for Rodgers. I know if it was my team I'd be upset I had a pathetic offense for the day.

 

[zDragon]

BTW....back-to-back great games for FavreLOL

Favre closing out the game: INT, almost INT, almost INT, sack, sack.

Guess you could blindly blame the defense. Seems acceptable in this thread.Fact is a 10% 3rd down efficiency is going to kill you in any game. What did they manage 10 first downs all game.Jets Offense did not look good.

And that doesn't have anything to do with the QB?

Never said it didn't. Pathetic all around.

 

[Challenge Everything]

...but Rodgers' stat line looks pretty solid.

That's all that needs to be said. How many people commenting about today's game are reading the stat lines only? The Houston offense had the ball ~8 more minutes than the Packers offense. Why? It was not because Houston was controlling the game.

 

[zDragon]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

Your looking at one number and not considering how they got there.You think 549 total yards happen if the Packers have more successful drives? You realize if an offense is only completing 10% of it's third down conversions it's putting it's defense on the field early and often.You do realize the offense had a +3 turn over stat giving the offense chances to go ahead often. Instead you can just look at that big glaring 10% that shows inconsistency.Even Rodgers says that going 0-9 for a stretch is bad and he is playing inconsistent ball. But believe what you want. They are a great offense and the defense is the problem.

Noone is saying the Packers offense is playing great but anyone who has a clue about football can tell you the Packers' defense has been terrible the last few weeks and mediocre at best over the course of the season.

I'm not looking at a few weeks but the season. Todays game was not terrible on their part look at the +3 advantage they had. Look where they placed the offense on the 20 for an easy score. Sure the defense is not the best in the league no one said they were. Does qualifying your statement with "anyone who has a clue about football" make your statement more legit? My assumption that most here have a clue and just have varying view points and I respect all of them. Apparently you do not.My statement that they are better than last year have been backed up by stats from a group that analyzes EVERY PLAY of the season and shows an improvement. Some don't like the way they do it but that is a point of debate.

 

[sho nuff]

BTW....back-to-back great games for FavreLOL

Favre closing out the game: INT, almost INT, almost INT, sack, sack.

Tough games for sure.Though, its not all on him as that defense was bad today too giving up that to San Fran.But so much for his ability to close out games from behind huh?

Did you notice the offense was terrible. 10% first down efficiency your defense is going to look bad. Favre or no Favre they stunk the place up.

I noticed it was not good too.Also noticed neither was the D. Kind of the like the Packers today.Check out their 3rd down percentage for the defense. Not very good.

Offense failed end of story. Sure the defense could do better but if your offense isn't going to move the ball, help in the field position battle, or score then get off the D. Once again 10% 3rd for the offense. Stinks. Favre, Rodgers, Romo, whoever. If that's how the offense is playing get off the D's back.

It is useless debating with you. You refuse to see the entire thing...and continue to just blame it on one aspect to the game.There is no getting in to your head with this one. Everyone else...even those who have argued most against me in this thread will not come in here to back you up on this one.And I have said the offense shares in the blame for this game...it is you who continues to live in denial about the other side of the ball.

I do see the entire thing your the one missing some of the picture. Offense 10% 3rd down conversions. Packers when turn-over battle nicely and they still look terrible.I noticed Dallas D didn't play well today. They gave up the winning drive to the steelers.

I have said the offense was not great today and shares in the blame. You keep just blaming the offense.yes...its you missing some of the picture.Like in the Saints game...you get one thing stuck in your head and its all you can repeat. With that game it was the 3 and 29.With this its 10% and winning turnovers.You are a broken record of denial. Enjoy your night.

 

[sho nuff]

Sho Nuff 464 posts now.I wonder how many times exactly sho nuff (who perceives himself as a defenseless victim) has told people they are stupid, arrogant, useless, etc;I'm sorry but 464 posts in one thread bickering with everyone is lame.

Why do you care how much I post?What I see is lame is coming in worrying about my post count...yet you have not had one useful post in this thread actually talking about the topic.How many times have I told someone they are stupid? I have not actually.Told them they were arrogant? I don't recall actually calling someone arrogant either. Or useless.Maybe you should try using facts.I see myself as a defenseless victim?Seriously...why do you come in this thread.Is it just to post complete BS with no basis in fact that has nothing to do with the topic at all?

 

[sho nuff]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Funny how you use the Texans 50% + as a knock on the offense...umm...exactly what part of the Packers team gave up that high of a percentage on 3rd down.Ill give you a hint...it was the defense (and they have been worse on 3rd down all year vs last year's team).

 

[sho nuff]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed.

I can let both of you know a fact, sho nuff will say you two are wrong, have no clue and are ignorant fools. By the way I agree, what you guys are saying isn't exactly far-fetched.

Nope...you are just lying as usual.They are right...the offense was not great today.Of course Z left out how it was the defense who gave up 50%+ on 3rd down, not Aaron Rodgers.

 

[sho nuff]

...but Rodgers' stat line looks pretty solid.

That's all that needs to be said. How many people commenting about today's game are reading the stat lines only? The Houston offense had the ball ~8 more minutes than the Packers offense. Why? It was not because Houston was controlling the game.

They were controlling the ball pretty well (except for the turnovers of course).It shows the defense was not getting off the field as often as they probably should be.50%+ on 3rd down is showing that.Again...it was not all of either side in this game. Both sides screwed up and in the end both sides of the ball lost this game.

 

[sho nuff]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

Your looking at one number and not considering how they got there.You think 549 total yards happen if the Packers have more successful drives? You realize if an offense is only completing 10% of it's third down conversions it's putting it's defense on the field early and often.You do realize the offense had a +3 turn over stat giving the offense chances to go ahead often. Instead you can just look at that big glaring 10% that shows inconsistency.Even Rodgers says that going 0-9 for a stretch is bad and he is playing inconsistent ball. But believe what you want. They are a great offense and the defense is the problem.

Noone is saying the Packers offense is playing great but anyone who has a clue about football can tell you the Packers' defense has been terrible the last few weeks and mediocre at best over the course of the season.

I'm not looking at a few weeks but the season. Todays game was not terrible on their part look at the +3 advantage they had. Look where they placed the offense on the 20 for an easy score. Sure the defense is not the best in the league no one said they were. Does qualifying your statement with "anyone who has a clue about football" make your statement more legit? My assumption that most here have a clue and just have varying view points and I respect all of them. Apparently you do not.My statement that they are better than last year have been backed up by stats from a group that analyzes EVERY PLAY of the season and shows an improvement. Some don't like the way they do it but that is a point of debate.

You are stuck on one site's analysis and adjusted stats.But nobody here has backed you up for a reason.Because we have watched this team play. We have watched this defense and the lack of a pass rush, the lack of an ability to stop the run. The weakness at LB right now.Now the secondary giving up big plays for the past 3 weeks.This defense is not as good as last year. It simply is not.

 

[Phase of the Game]

5-8 for all of you TT jock sniffers!

 

[zDragon]

BTW....back-to-back great games for FavreLOL

Favre closing out the game: INT, almost INT, almost INT, sack, sack.

Tough games for sure.Though, its not all on him as that defense was bad today too giving up that to San Fran.But so much for his ability to close out games from behind huh?

Did you notice the offense was terrible. 10% first down efficiency your defense is going to look bad. Favre or no Favre they stunk the place up.

I noticed it was not good too.Also noticed neither was the D. Kind of the like the Packers today.Check out their 3rd down percentage for the defense. Not very good.

Offense failed end of story. Sure the defense could do better but if your offense isn't going to move the ball, help in the field position battle, or score then get off the D. Once again 10% 3rd for the offense. Stinks. Favre, Rodgers, Romo, whoever. If that's how the offense is playing get off the D's back.

It is useless debating with you. You refuse to see the entire thing...and continue to just blame it on one aspect to the game.There is no getting in to your head with this one. Everyone else...even those who have argued most against me in this thread will not come in here to back you up on this one.And I have said the offense shares in the blame for this game...it is you who continues to live in denial about the other side of the ball.

I do see the entire thing your the one missing some of the picture. Offense 10% 3rd down conversions. Packers when turn-over battle nicely and they still look terrible.I noticed Dallas D didn't play well today. They gave up the winning drive to the steelers.

I have said the offense was not great today and shares in the blame. You keep just blaming the offense.yes...its you missing some of the picture.Like in the Saints game...you get one thing stuck in your head and its all you can repeat. With that game it was the 3 and 29.With this its 10% and winning turnovers.You are a broken record of denial. Enjoy your night.

I'm missing none of the picture. The 10% has been repeated before in a loss (Min) if not more. I'm pretty sure they had under 30% in several. Not sure what the TB 3rd down conversions rate was but it couldn't have been to high since they had only 8 first downs all game.But hey if your happy with that offense so far then by all means enjoy it. I'd like to think i'm more an echo of truth. So when the broken record is put on the player I simply echo back facts from the games and season.

 

[zDragon]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

Your looking at one number and not considering how they got there.You think 549 total yards happen if the Packers have more successful drives? You realize if an offense is only completing 10% of it's third down conversions it's putting it's defense on the field early and often.You do realize the offense had a +3 turn over stat giving the offense chances to go ahead often. Instead you can just look at that big glaring 10% that shows inconsistency.Even Rodgers says that going 0-9 for a stretch is bad and he is playing inconsistent ball. But believe what you want. They are a great offense and the defense is the problem.

Noone is saying the Packers offense is playing great but anyone who has a clue about football can tell you the Packers' defense has been terrible the last few weeks and mediocre at best over the course of the season.

I'm not looking at a few weeks but the season. Todays game was not terrible on their part look at the +3 advantage they had. Look where they placed the offense on the 20 for an easy score. Sure the defense is not the best in the league no one said they were. Does qualifying your statement with "anyone who has a clue about football" make your statement more legit? My assumption that most here have a clue and just have varying view points and I respect all of them. Apparently you do not.My statement that they are better than last year have been backed up by stats from a group that analyzes EVERY PLAY of the season and shows an improvement. Some don't like the way they do it but that is a point of debate.

You are stuck on one site's analysis and adjusted stats.But nobody here has backed you up for a reason.Because we have watched this team play. We have watched this defense and the lack of a pass rush, the lack of an ability to stop the run. The weakness at LB right now.Now the secondary giving up big plays for the past 3 weeks.This defense is not as good as last year. It simply is not.

Correct. If you have problems with the numbers please explain in detail how they are wrong and how your research analysis differs. From what I've seen they are a very respected site that has done their due diligence. I'll take their stats over posters on these forums until you can prove the posters have a better method of analyzing this other than smart remarks and limited research. Becoming a very tired diversion tactic. Why do you keep saying no on has backed me up on the boards? I don't really don't track that and really don't care what they think. This is very tired and boring diversion tactic. I suggest you find another one or better yet post some deep analysis to dispute what I have posted. The defense does have issues I've never said it didn't but to say it's worse and MUCH worse as some want us all to believe is not true.

 

[Routilla]

AR is the #5 QB in my league right now and BF is the #10. FWIW.

 

[Challenge Everything]

AR is the #5 QB in my league right now and BF is the #10. FWIW.

 

[mozzy84]

5-8 for all of you TT jock sniffers!

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

...but Rodgers' stat line looks pretty solid.

That's all that needs to be said. How many people commenting about today's game are reading the stat lines only? The Houston offense had the ball ~8 more minutes than the Packers offense. Why? It was not because Houston was controlling the game.

It's not? Go back and rewatch. Houston's offense dominated today. Period. Owen Daniels fumbled going into the end zone. GB dodges a bullt. Slaton fumbled on GB's 18 yard line. GB dodges a bullet.How can anyone think Houston wasn't controlling the game? They gained 549 yards of total offense.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/35692269.html

"Had they fallen between noon and 3 p.m. they would have obscured one of the worst overall defensive performances ever witnessed at Lambeau Field. Instead, the abomination was painfully in focus for the crowd of 70,245."

Enough said.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Here's some more for you if you don't believe Houston dominated:

"In reality, the Packers shouldn't have even been in this game. The Texans nearly gave it to them, but the Packers refused to take it. Houston had a chance to take a 14-0 lead in the second quarter but tight end Owen Daniels fumbled at the 1, blowing an easy scoring opportunity. The Packers scored their first touchdown on Donald Lee's 20-yard catch but it was clearly a push-off by Lee and should have been called offensive pass interference. At the end of the first half, the Texans had a chance to increase their lead to 13-7 but kicker Kris Brown, who wound up hitting the winning field goal, missed from 41 yards. Finally, punt returner Jacoby Jones muffed a catch despite having plenty of time to gather it in, setting up the Packers with a first down at the Green Bay 49 with 9 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. This game was not nearly as close as the final score."

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/35691254.html

 

[Pipes]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games.

+3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

Your looking at one number and not considering how they got there.You think 549 total yards happen if the Packers have more successful drives? You realize if an offense is only completing 10% of it's third down conversions it's putting it's defense on the field early and often.

You do realize the offense had a +3 turn over stat giving the offense chances to go ahead often. Instead you can just look at that big glaring 10% that shows inconsistency.

Even Rodgers says that going 0-9 for a stretch is bad and he is playing inconsistent ball.

But believe what you want. They are a great offense and the defense is the problem.

Noone is saying the Packers offense is playing great but anyone who has a clue about football can tell you the Packers' defense has been terrible the last few weeks and mediocre at best over the course of the season.

I'm not looking at a few weeks but the season. Todays game was not terrible on their part look at the +3 advantage they had. Look where they placed the offense on the 20 for an easy score. Sure the defense is not the best in the league no one said they were. Does qualifying your statement with "anyone who has a clue about football" make your statement more legit? My assumption that most here have a clue and just have varying view points and I respect all of them. Apparently you do not.

My statement that they are better than last year have been backed up by stats from a group that analyzes EVERY PLAY of the season and shows an improvement. Some don't like the way they do it but that is a point of debate.

Why are you taking offense to my comment? I was referring to NFL analysts (people who actually played the game) and not one of them is pinning Green Bay's problems on Aaron Rodgers. Turn on a radio, television and listen to former coaches, players (not Colin Cowherd) and they will tell you Green Bay's problems stems from poor defensively play. They get no pass rush and the linebackers can't get off blockers.And to say you respect other's points of view is laughable and you're stuck on the fact that you think the bulk of the Packers problems stems from Aaron Rodgers. Everytime someone disagrees with your assessments you just pull out some questionable statistics from some obscure website. Rodgers is having a decent, albeit not a great season. He certainly has room for improvement...I just don't think he's the main problem with the Packers.

Oh and I'm not a Thompson jock sniffer in the least. I'm pissed about the whole Moss thing last year. I'm not happy with the Justin Harrell draft pick, I think he made a major gaff with the punting situation this year and I'd like him to be more aggressive in the free agent market. However I totally agree with his decision to go with Rodgers.

 

[zDragon]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Funny how you use the Texans 50% + as a knock on the offense...umm...exactly what part of the Packers team gave up that high of a percentage on 3rd down.Ill give you a hint...it was the defense (and they have been worse on 3rd down all year vs last year's team).

A good offense is supposed to convert 3rd down conversions. The Texans have a higher ranking in 3rd down conversions that the Packers.The Lions are converting 27% on average. So the offense is 17% below the worst team in the leagues conversion rate and it doesn't hurt the defense at all? The Texans are running at 44% so yeah the defense gave up more 3rd down conversions. Think maybe the offense playing up to the Lions standards against a bottom feeder defense might have helped just a little bit on that. Would've been real nice if they could have played like a decent offense and been in the 40's.

 

[zDragon]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed.

I can let both of you know a fact, sho nuff will say you two are wrong, have no clue and are ignorant fools. By the way I agree, what you guys are saying isn't exactly far-fetched.

Nope...you are just lying as usual.They are right...the offense was not great today.Of course Z left out how it was the defense who gave up 50%+ on 3rd down, not Aaron Rodgers.

Keep them off the field with an offense converting better than the Lions and we can talk.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

5-8 for all of you TT jock sniffers!

They would probably be 5-8 or worse with Favre. It certainly isn't on the QB when the defense doesn't stop anyone.

 

[zDragon]

...but Rodgers' stat line looks pretty solid.

That's all that needs to be said. How many people commenting about today's game are reading the stat lines only? The Houston offense had the ball ~8 more minutes than the Packers offense. Why? It was not because Houston was controlling the game.

It's not? Go back and rewatch. Houston's offense dominated today. Period. Owen Daniels fumbled going into the end zone. GB dodges a bullt. Slaton fumbled on GB's 18 yard line. GB dodges a bullet.How can anyone think Houston wasn't controlling the game? They gained 549 yards of total offense.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/35692269.html

"Had they fallen between noon and 3 p.m. they would have obscured one of the worst overall defensive performances ever witnessed at Lambeau Field. Instead, the abomination was painfully in focus for the crowd of 70,245."

Enough said.

Really. Not a mention of 10% on 3rd down conversions.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I was throwing things around my living room during this game. I was mad about lots of different things.

Obviously the defense gave up a monster play immediately in this game. Then the offense came out flat as usual to start the game.

then the defense got a 3 and out. Offense came out flat again.

then the defense got another quick stop. Offense did nothing.

Then the defense got a gift from god and Owen Daniels fumbled. Packers offense punted, although on this possession they finally moved the ball.

Then the defense made a nice play and intercepted it. Two plays later the offense scored a TD.

Packers defense gives up a field goal on the next possession. Packers offense throws a pick.

Summation of first half. The offense played like absolute crap. There is no way around that one. If they could have done anything at all, the packers likely would have been leading at halftime. The defense gave up huge chunks of yards, but they got a lot of stops. They got really lucky with the daniels fumble, but this is kind of the way they play. They go for turnovers.

Second half-

Three terrible passes by Rodgers to start the second half, 3 and out. Defense offers no help and gives up a score. Big penalty and one big play.

Packers offense goes 4 and out. One nice run(huge hole, grant hit it well) then bleh. Packers force a fumble. Yes. they forced it. The play right before this was a forced fumble that the packers got screwed on. So this was justice.

Rodgers finally decides to come to the party. Absolutely beautiful pass to Greg Jennings. Then they keep moving and Grant waltzes in for a TD. Here is where I take serious issue with the play of the defense. Up to this point they had done their jobs. The offense was worthless until the 4th Qtr. They managed to keep the team in it. But this drive was pure laziness. The TD to AJ should have never happened. Al Harris got very lazy as Schaub was rolling left. He basically stopped moving. AJ took that extra space and Schaub made an amazing throw. Then Harris immediately was whining for a push off. Push off my ###. He had just givin up on the play. The two point conversion was more of the same. AJ came all the way across the field. This should have never happened either. Then Mccarthy decides to use a stupid challenge.

The offense goes stupid again and goes three and out. Punt. Hilarity ensues. GB ball. Rodgers mans up again and the Packers find themselves in the end zone. Score tied 21-21. Packers defense forces a 3 and out.

The pack gets the ball back and Rodgers and Driver hook up for a great 59 yard gain. Now at this point in time I am filled with doubt. And it has nothing to do with Rodgers. I start thinking to myself that Mccarthy will be an idiot and take the game out of Rodgers hands and not let him do what he does best. Handoff Ryan Grant, and my fears are confirmed. Mccarthy is hoping to run the clock down to nothing and kick a game winning FG. He should have unleashed Rodgers and gone for the game winning TD. Another running play and the coach just doomed Rodgers.

Then the defense decides to follow up with some crap just to bury Rodgers a bit further. Game over. Houston wins.

Rodgers stat line looks good. Rodgers did not look good until the 4th qtr. He was there though and ready to reach out and grab it. His coach and his defense didnt let him. Obviously Rodgers should shoulder a lot of blame here. He is the QB and he dissapeared for three qtrs. That being said....

Mccarthy is a moron. Even the pick to end the first half was pretty much his fault. Where the heck was Rodgers supposed to go with that ball? You had already run that play twice, it isnt hard to figure out.

Why on earth do you run three straight passing plays(none of which were short) to start the 3rd qtr when you know your QB starts off slow in the 3rd. Help the kid out.

Why do you take the ball out of his hands at the end of the game? Ryan Grant had a decent game, but he is not going to take over a game and pound out first downs at the end of the game so you can get your dream of kicking a chip shot FG with no time left. It just isnt going to happen. And NEWS FLASH...you might miss the FG!!!!

I love how Rodgers manned up during the presser.

 

[zDragon]

Here's some more for you if you don't believe Houston dominated:

"In reality, the Packers shouldn't have even been in this game. The Texans nearly gave it to them, but the Packers refused to take it. Houston had a chance to take a 14-0 lead in the second quarter but tight end Owen Daniels fumbled at the 1, blowing an easy scoring opportunity. The Packers scored their first touchdown on Donald Lee's 20-yard catch but it was clearly a push-off by Lee and should have been called offensive pass interference. At the end of the first half, the Texans had a chance to increase their lead to 13-7 but kicker Kris Brown, who wound up hitting the winning field goal, missed from 41 yards. Finally, punt returner Jacoby Jones muffed a catch despite having plenty of time to gather it in, setting up the Packers with a first down at the Green Bay 49 with 9 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. This game was not nearly as close as the final score."

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/35691254.html

No where near as close as the final score.

 

[zDragon]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games.

+3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Uh huh. Often defenses that give up 549 total yards play really, really well.

Your looking at one number and not considering how they got there.You think 549 total yards happen if the Packers have more successful drives? You realize if an offense is only completing 10% of it's third down conversions it's putting it's defense on the field early and often.

You do realize the offense had a +3 turn over stat giving the offense chances to go ahead often. Instead you can just look at that big glaring 10% that shows inconsistency.

Even Rodgers says that going 0-9 for a stretch is bad and he is playing inconsistent ball.

But believe what you want. They are a great offense and the defense is the problem.

Noone is saying the Packers offense is playing great but anyone who has a clue about football can tell you the Packers' defense has been terrible the last few weeks and mediocre at best over the course of the season.

I'm not looking at a few weeks but the season. Todays game was not terrible on their part look at the +3 advantage they had. Look where they placed the offense on the 20 for an easy score. Sure the defense is not the best in the league no one said they were. Does qualifying your statement with "anyone who has a clue about football" make your statement more legit? My assumption that most here have a clue and just have varying view points and I respect all of them. Apparently you do not.

My statement that they are better than last year have been backed up by stats from a group that analyzes EVERY PLAY of the season and shows an improvement. Some don't like the way they do it but that is a point of debate.

Why are you taking offense to my comment? I was referring to NFL analysts (people who actually played the game) and not one of them is pinning Green Bay's problems on Aaron Rodgers. Turn on a radio, television and listen to former coaches, players (not Colin Cowherd) and they will tell you Green Bay's problems stems from poor defensively play. They get no pass rush and the linebackers can't get off blockers.And to say you respect other's points of view is laughable and you're stuck on the fact that you think the bulk of the Packers problems stems from Aaron Rodgers. Everytime someone disagrees with your assessments you just pull out some questionable statistics from some obscure website. Rodgers is having a decent, albeit not a great season. He certainly has room for improvement...I just don't think he's the main problem with the Packers.

Oh and I'm not a Thompson jock sniffer in the least. I'm pissed about the whole Moss thing last year. I'm not happy with the Justin Harrell draft pick, I think he made a major gaff with the punting situation this year and I'd like him to be more aggressive in the free agent market. However I totally agree with his decision to go with Rodgers.

1. Interesting seems like you could have mentioned and referenced the analyst your referring to versus using the wording you did. Something like "Well NFL analyst believe...." or "Terry Bradshaw stated...". Nice spin and backing up though.2. I reference the offense and not Rodgers but he in his own words as another posted here or in the game thread states that he says he has played inconsistent ball. You seem to be bothered by the fact I believe a consistent functioning offense gets the 6 pt difference back. Outside of that one stat the defense has improved. The offense has dropped in every category.

3. I've never made reference to anyone being a Thompson jock sniffer. So why reference that to me. I've stated that Rodgers was the correct choice so why bring that up to me.

 

[zDragon]

Wow. Didn't realize until I was reading the Packer site they did not get a 3rd down conversion until the fourth quarter.

 

[Chachi]

Favre > Rodgers

Anyone who doesn't realize this must live under a rock.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Wow. Didn't realize until I was reading the Packer site they did not get a 3rd down conversion until the fourth quarter.

Who cares? You can keep spewing the nonsense, or you can look at it realistically. Green Bay scored 21 points when they didn't play all that great offensivley.The defense gave up the most yards to an opposing offense since 1993. Additionally, just like every other game this season, the defense could not get a stop when needed. They had Houston pinned at their own three with little time left in the game. If you can't keep them from scoring in that situation, you never will.If you'd like to continue to point fingers at the offense, feel free. Of course, you're very wrong about this one.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Basically either the offense or defense was blowing chunks at all times. Now let's roll on to the division sweeps.

 

[Phase of the Game]

Wow. Didn't realize until I was reading the Packer site they did not get a 3rd down conversion until the fourth quarter.

Who cares? You can keep spewing the nonsense, or you can look at it realistically. Green Bay scored 21 points when they didn't play all that great offensivley.The defense gave up the most yards to an opposing offense since 1993. Additionally, just like every other game this season, the defense could not get a stop when needed. They had Houston pinned at their own three with little time left in the game. If you can't keep them from scoring in that situation, you never will.If you'd like to continue to point fingers at the offense, feel free. Of course, you're very wrong about this one.

The offense isn't getting it done as well!

 

[sho nuff]

I'm missing none of the picture. The 10% has been repeated before in a loss (Min) if not more. I'm pretty sure they had under 30% in several. Not sure what the TB 3rd down conversions rate was but it couldn't have been to high since they had only 8 first downs all game.But hey if your happy with that offense so far then by all means enjoy it. I'd like to think i'm more an echo of truth. So when the broken record is put on the player I simply echo back facts from the games and season.

You have yet to mention a thing about this defense being responsible for any of the struggles this year...and you claim to be missing none of the picture?Are you kidding me?Who said Im happy with that offense?Im saying its not just the offense that is to blame. You keep blaming only one aspect of the game.and again, in the context of this thread...Brett Favre vs. Rodgers as far as the decision...#4 alone would not just make it all better either.

 

[sho nuff]

Correct. If you have problems with the numbers please explain in detail how they are wrong and how your research analysis differs. From what I've seen they are a very respected site that has done their due diligence. I'll take their stats over posters on these forums until you can prove the posters have a better method of analyzing this other than smart remarks and limited research. Becoming a very tired diversion tactic. Why do you keep saying no on has backed me up on the boards? I don't really don't track that and really don't care what they think. This is very tired and boring diversion tactic. I suggest you find another one or better yet post some deep analysis to dispute what I have posted. The defense does have issues I've never said it didn't but to say it's worse and MUCH worse as some want us all to believe is not true.

You never said it did not have issues on D? Then why do you continue to deny that its worse than it was last year? That it has been a problem in the previous 2 games prior to this weekend.That QB was the bigger drop off.And when I claimed they were far worse than last year you denied it (before someone else even found a site for you to fall in love with)?Whey when they give up over 50% of third down conversions is all you talk about the 10% for the offene?I keep saying nobody backed you up on this board because its true. People who have watched this team play and watched last year and are not just looking at stat book are seeing the difference in this defense.I have disputed what you posted...you don't agree with it...fine.

 

[sho nuff]

10% third down conversion is not going to win many ball games. +3 on turnover ratio should win many ball games.

Agreed. if the Packers offense match the texans at 50%+ on 3rd down conversions I think this is a blow-out.

Funny how you use the Texans 50% + as a knock on the offense...umm...exactly what part of the Packers team gave up that high of a percentage on 3rd down.Ill give you a hint...it was the defense (and they have been worse on 3rd down all year vs last year's team).

A good offense is supposed to convert 3rd down conversions. The Texans have a higher ranking in 3rd down conversions that the Packers.The Lions are converting 27% on average. So the offense is 17% below the worst team in the leagues conversion rate and it doesn't hurt the defense at all? The Texans are running at 44% so yeah the defense gave up more 3rd down conversions. Think maybe the offense playing up to the Lions standards against a bottom feeder defense might have helped just a little bit on that. Would've been real nice if they could have played like a decent offense and been in the 40's.

A good defense is also supposed to stop other teams on 3rd down and get off the field.I have said the offense was not good yesterday...so continuing to just bring up the offenses numbers for yesterday is your way of deflecting that the defense was also not that good yesterday.Ditka said it might have been the worst performance the past 3 weeks that the team had ever seen.Other writers are saying the same thing...that despite the turnovers...it was not a great performance.But you keep putting it all on the offense if you want.