HS girls stage a walkout as trans teen uses girls bathroom (1 Viewer)

[Henry Ford]

In case I'm not being clear here, it is unequivocally the case that some men are XX and some women are XY. It's not usual, but it happens.

Interesting, didn't know that. How often does this occur? Can either type reproduce? I would think that the man could, but only make males, and that the female could but would have males 2'3rds of the time (or couldn't due to the YY possibility).

I'm not sure. The type of scenario Semenya dealt with is something like 1/75-80,000 people. But that's just SRYers, I don't know about XX males or other reasons for XY women.

As for reproduction, I posted a link above from the NIH. Yes, it can happen.

 

[fantasycurse42]

If they let this kid use the girl's locker room, I assume a lot of other boys will be claiming to be transgender.

Congratulations, you're the third person to raise this point. There's you, sublimeone, and Mike Huckabee. All 3 of you seem fascinated by this threat of heterosexual teenage boys pretending to be transgender in order to get a peek at naked girls. Why, the War on Christmas seems minor compared to this danger!

Why drag iggles fans into this?

Glad someone quoted this or I wouldn't have seen it.... Way to be a sensitive Suzy, Tim. Simple joke, relax, Nancy.

 

[FUBAR]

In case I'm not being clear here, it is unequivocally the case that some men are XX and some women are XY. It's not usual, but it happens.

Interesting, didn't know that. How often does this occur? Can either type reproduce? I would think that the man could, but only make males, and that the female could but would have males 2'3rds of the time (or couldn't due to the YY possibility).

is there an easy way to test for this?

never mind:

Symptoms usually include small testes and subjects are invariably sterile. Individuals with this condition sometimes have feminine characteristics, with varying degrees of gynecomastia but with no intra-abdominal Müllerian tissue.[5] According to research at the University of Oklahoma health science centers, most XX males are not stereotypically feminine and are typical boys and men[citation needed] although other reports suggest that facial hair growth is usually poor and libido is diminished, with notable exceptions.[5][6]

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

My post on the first page pertained to the specific facts of the story generating the thread. They stand. Since then many have postulated scenarios beyond the original scenario, and I would like to do so as well.

Picture a large employer, or maybe even two large employers, one public and one private. These employers have workers who of necessity, or out of long custom supported by union contracts as bargained benefits, don and doff work clothing in locker rooms at their employers place of business. Imagine that there are at least three transgendered, men to women, employees, all pre operative, at each employer. Imagine the employer being approached by a union rep with an ACLU and Union layer by their side demanding reasonable and respectful accommodation for the transgendered. Maybe this large, cash flush employer seeks to set a policy and does, the pre-operative transgendered shall use a neutral, third, specially constructed locker room of exactly equal amenity to the others.

Now imagine that the three transgendereds all have a different view on what is appropriate and respectful. Imagine one will feel slighted by not being able to use the women's facility, one the same about the men's facility, and the third is overjoyed with the new accommodations and doesn't want the stance of the other two to screw up her getting the new accommodation.

As the employer, or their attorney, what would you recommend the employer do? Be mindful of course that if there are three transgendereds pre operative that you know about there likely are one or more post operative ones as well, and they may have divergent views on accommodation to those of each other and to the pre-ops. Be mindful as well that we have not yet begun to explore scenarios of women to male trasgendereds. If you like why not make one of them a convicted sex offender, nothing serious, just public exposure under circumstances that have a relatively benign interpretation which is more likely than, but does not absolutely preclude a more sinister possibility.

Have fun with this. This is your virtual attorney experience for the day. Oh, bad advice may mean you lose your job and your ability, at least temporarily, to support your wife and kids. Remember, have fun!

 

[Ratbert]

My post on the first page pertained to the specific facts of the story generating the thread. They stand. Since then many have postulated scenarios beyond the original scenario, and I would like to do so as well.

Picture a large employer, or maybe even two large employers, one public and one private. These employers have workers who of necessity, or out of long custom supported by union contracts as bargained benefits, don and doff work clothing in locker rooms at their employers place of business. Imagine that there are at least three transgendered, men to women, employees, all pre operative, at each employer. Imagine the employer being approached by a union rep with an ACLU and Union layer by their side demanding reasonable and respectful accommodation for the transgendered. Maybe this large, cash flush employer seeks to set a policy and does, the pre-operative transgendered shall use a neutral, third, specially constructed locker room of exactly equal amenity to the others.

Now imagine that the three transgendereds all have a different view on what is appropriate and respectful. Imagine one will feel slighted by not being able to use the women's facility, one the same about the men's facility, and the third is overjoyed with the new accommodations and doesn't want the stance of the other two to screw up her getting the new accommodation.

As the employer, or their attorney, what would you recommend the employer do? Be mindful of course that if there are three transgendereds pre operative that you know about there likely are one or more post operative ones as well, and they may have divergent views on accommodation to those of each other and to the pre-ops. If you like why not make one of them a convicted sex offender, nothing serious, just public exposure under circumstances that have a relatively benign interpretation which is more likely than, but does not absolutely preclude a more sinister possibility.

Have fun with this. This is your virtual attorney experience for the day. Oh, bad advice may mean you lose your job and your ability, at least temporarily, to support your wife and kids. Remember, have fun!

Settle out of court after firing the two malcontents

 

[Henry Ford]

Here's an interesting factoid for the inevitable responses about XY women being "not real" women - guess where one of the highest concentrations of these women is? Models. Because androgen insensitivity - the reason for a fully female body despite XY chromosome in some women - means their bodies can't use testosterone at all, and therefore they look "ultra-feminine."

 

[matttyl]

And here we go -

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

Yes, someone with an XY chromosomal print can give birth to a healthy child, from her own egg.

Given that you had to go back 7 years to find this, I would think that the "chromosome test" would lead to far fewer questions as to which locker room to use than the current "what you identify as" would.

 

[Henry Ford]

And here we go -

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

Yes, someone with an XY chromosomal print can give birth to a healthy child, from her own egg.

Given that you had to go back 7 years to find this, I would think that the "chromosome test" would lead to far fewer questions as to which locker room to use than the current "what you identify as" would.

I didn't "go back" anywhere. I typed "xy woman gave birth" into google and it's the first thing that came up.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

My post on the first page pertained to the specific facts of the story generating the thread. They stand. Since then many have postulated scenarios beyond the original scenario, and I would like to do so as well.

Picture a large employer, or maybe even two large employers, one public and one private. These employers have workers who of necessity, or out of long custom supported by union contracts as bargained benefits, don and doff work clothing in locker rooms at their employers place of business. Imagine that there are at least three transgendered, men to women, employees, all pre operative, at each employer. Imagine the employer being approached by a union rep with an ACLU and Union layer by their side demanding reasonable and respectful accommodation for the transgendered. Maybe this large, cash flush employer seeks to set a policy and does, the pre-operative transgendered shall use a neutral, third, specially constructed locker room of exactly equal amenity to the others.

Now imagine that the three transgendereds all have a different view on what is appropriate and respectful. Imagine one will feel slighted by not being able to use the women's facility, one the same about the men's facility, and the third is overjoyed with the new accommodations and doesn't want the stance of the other two to screw up her getting the new accommodation.

As the employer, or their attorney, what would you recommend the employer do? Be mindful of course that if there are three transgendereds pre operative that you know about there likely are one or more post operative ones as well, and they may have divergent views on accommodation to those of each other and to the pre-ops. If you like why not make one of them a convicted sex offender, nothing serious, just public exposure under circumstances that have a relatively benign interpretation which is more likely than, but does not absolutely preclude a more sinister possibility.

Have fun with this. This is your virtual attorney experience for the day. Oh, bad advice may mean you lose your job and your ability, at least temporarily, to support your wife and kids. Remember, have fun!

Settle out of court after firing the two malcontents

Well I did say the employer was flush with cash now didn't I?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Here's an interesting factoid for the inevitable responses about XY women being "not real" women - guess where one of the highest concentrations of these women is? Models. Because androgen insensitivity - the reason for a fully female body despite XY chromosome in some women - means their bodies can't use testosterone at all, and therefore they look "ultra-feminine."

I've always had my suspicions about Gisele Bundchen.

 

[Henry Ford]

How about this year - this was third on the google search

http://www.medicaldaily.com/hayley-haynes-woman-born-without-womb-gives-birth-twin-girls-hormone-therapy-320482

 

[FUBAR]

Here's an interesting factoid for the inevitable responses about XY women being "not real" women - guess where one of the highest concentrations of these women is? Models. Because androgen insensitivity - the reason for a fully female body despite XY chromosome in some women - means their bodies can't use testosterone at all, and therefore they look "ultra-feminine."

FWIW, many models aren't attractive (to me anyway).

 

[Henry Ford]

Don't want to accidentally let this dude into the women's locker room. Better check those chromosomes!

 

[Henry Ford]

Full disclosure - I filed a suit several years ago to stop genetic testing for amateur athletics precisely because of this issue.

 

[matttyl]

And here we go -

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

Yes, someone with an XY chromosomal print can give birth to a healthy child, from her own egg.

Given that you had to go back 7 years to find this, I would think that the "chromosome test" would lead to far fewer questions as to which locker room to use than the current "what you identify as" would.

I didn't "go back" anywhere. I typed "xy woman gave birth" into google and it's the first thing that came up.

I guess you missed my point. This situation you bring up of xy women and xx men apparently happens less than trans-gendered situations do, right? If so, then using that as the standard for locker room usage would result in fewer of these types of situations. Further, you then say that xy women use the girls, and xx men use the boys (as the xy woman in your example was for all other intents and purposes a female - both physically and self identifiably). Now everyone is covered, and we don't have to talk about folks who had their wankers cut off in some accident.

In the couple of examples you brought up, there is never a question as to what the individual is physically, or what sex/gender they are identifying as. All three (that I've seen so far) are the XY women who never questioned their being female, and I don't think anyone else would, either.

I'm just saying that when there is a question (as there is here, and even as some may still have with Jenner) to use the chromosome test as the fall back.

 

[Zow]

If they let this kid use the girl's locker room, I assume a lot of other boys will be claiming to be transgender.

Congratulations, you're the third person to raise this point. There's you, sublimeone, and Mike Huckabee. All 3 of you seem fascinated by this threat of heterosexual teenage boys pretending to be transgender in order to get a peek at naked girls. Why, the War on Christmas seems minor compared to this danger!

I'm sure Dentist would be in this group of people who want to see females defecate.

 

[Zow]

Don't want to accidentally let this dude into the women's locker room. Better check those chromosomes!

IIRC, Haverford actually has coed bathrooms!

 

[shady inc]

maybe the school should build a separate locker room for every student

 

[Fennis]

My post on the first page pertained to the specific facts of the story generating the thread. They stand. Since then many have postulated scenarios beyond the original scenario, and I would like to do so as well.

Picture a large employer, or maybe even two large employers, one public and one private. These employers have workers who of necessity, or out of long custom supported by union contracts as bargained benefits, don and doff work clothing in locker rooms at their employers place of business. Imagine that there are at least three transgendered, men to women, employees, all pre operative, at each employer. Imagine the employer being approached by a union rep with an ACLU and Union layer by their side demanding reasonable and respectful accommodation for the transgendered. Maybe this large, cash flush employer seeks to set a policy and does, the pre-operative transgendered shall use a neutral, third, specially constructed locker room of exactly equal amenity to the others.

Now imagine that the three transgendereds all have a different view on what is appropriate and respectful. Imagine one will feel slighted by not being able to use the women's facility, one the same about the men's facility, and the third is overjoyed with the new accommodations and doesn't want the stance of the other two to screw up her getting the new accommodation.

As the employer, or their attorney, what would you recommend the employer do? Be mindful of course that if there are three transgendereds pre operative that you know about there likely are one or more post operative ones as well, and they may have divergent views on accommodation to those of each other and to the pre-ops. Be mindful as well that we have not yet begun to explore scenarios of women to male trasgendereds. If you like why not make one of them a convicted sex offender, nothing serious, just public exposure under circumstances that have a relatively benign interpretation which is more likely than, but does not absolutely preclude a more sinister possibility.

Have fun with this. This is your virtual attorney experience for the day. Oh, bad advice may mean you lose your job and your ability, at least temporarily, to support your wife and kids. Remember, have fun!

companies, unions, and societies have to figure out how to deal with societal changes all the time. sometimes the answers are difficult on employees. "what do you mean we need to have a sexual harassment policy?"

 

[rockaction]

Yes, and they're getting wildly criticized because some boy that thinks he's a girl wants to use their bathroom.

tim says "give 'em what they want." Those of us that actually studied public policy and the grievance factory that is the trans community knew this was coming.

There are legit points and counter points to this story and discussion. There are a range of understandable opinions and fears and human emotion / reaction.

However, the tone of your response is exactly why whatever legitimate angle you may have brought to the discussion is rendered moot.

The dismissive, uncaring and utterly unsympathetic nature of your tone is exactly why it just seems that all those who share your "platform" are just callous and uncaring for anyone who doesn't seem to live according to your way, your rules, your morality and your opinion of what someone else should feel in terms of sexual identity or anything else.

So, when I make my snarky comments in other threads about how it really seems that you and others are just not caring people who are callous toward so many, just remember this. When I or others wonder if the right as a whole has become just as callous and uncaring in the same manner, this is why. Trump and Huckabee and Scottie boy, good old Carson and I could continue down the line.

Also remember when said snarky comment dismisses whatever point you are trying to make, because any legitimacy you would have had is completely undercut by the approach and the messenger.

To know that this rights brigade wasn't a grievance factory from the beginning? Yes, it's known and been shown.

I know what I'm saying is hurtful. Nobody likes to be told what they "feel" is wrong. That's why I'm saying it! They're now demanding public accommodations for how they "feel!" Well, I feel anxious. I feel depressed. I feel "suicidial." Accommodate me!

 

[rockaction]

My post on the first page pertained to the specific facts of the story generating the thread. They stand. Since then many have postulated scenarios beyond the original scenario, and I would like to do so as well.

Picture a large employer, or maybe even two large employers, one public and one private. These employers have workers who of necessity, or out of long custom supported by union contracts as bargained benefits, don and doff work clothing in locker rooms at their employers place of business. Imagine that there are at least three transgendered, men to women, employees, all pre operative, at each employer. Imagine the employer being approached by a union rep with an ACLU and Union layer by their side demanding reasonable and respectful accommodation for the transgendered. Maybe this large, cash flush employer seeks to set a policy and does, the pre-operative transgendered shall use a neutral, third, specially constructed locker room of exactly equal amenity to the others.

Now imagine that the three transgendereds all have a different view on what is appropriate and respectful. Imagine one will feel slighted by not being able to use the women's facility, one the same about the men's facility, and the third is overjoyed with the new accommodations and doesn't want the stance of the other two to screw up her getting the new accommodation.

As the employer, or their attorney, what would you recommend the employer do? Be mindful of course that if there are three transgendereds pre operative that you know about there likely are one or more post operative ones as well, and they may have divergent views on accommodation to those of each other and to the pre-ops. Be mindful as well that we have not yet begun to explore scenarios of women to male trasgendereds. If you like why not make one of them a convicted sex offender, nothing serious, just public exposure under circumstances that have a relatively benign interpretation which is more likely than, but does not absolutely preclude a more sinister possibility.

Have fun with this. This is your virtual attorney experience for the day. Oh, bad advice may mean you lose your job and your ability, at least temporarily, to support your wife and kids. Remember, have fun!

companies, unions, and societies have to figure out how to deal with societal changes all the time. sometimes the answers are difficult on employees. "what do you mean we need to have a sexual harassment policy?"

Yes, and we also draw the line at utter ####### ridiculousness in our society. Sometimes we just say, "enough!"

Though, as per your argument, we never would. We'd just suffer every idiot that wants to use our bathroom.

 

[rockaction]

Full disclosure - I filed a suit several years ago to stop genetic testing for amateur athletics precisely because of this issue.

Oh, yes, we can guarantee you did (file suit).

That's fully evident.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Full disclosure - I filed a suit several years ago to stop genetic testing for amateur athletics precisely because of this issue.

Oh, yes, we can guarantee you did (file suit).

That's fully evident.

Henry Ford is wicked smart and extremely fair-minded, in my book at least.

As for my new scenario it is now time to imagine that the union membership is not of one mind on any union stance. Some members, whether for religious reasons, or personal foibles and insecurities are very threatened by potential association with the transgendered, particularly in the locker rooms. Some are open about their opposition, and some couch their opposition in other issues, perhaps financial, saying the money spent on this issue will deplete the pie for their next contract negotiation. They are threatening union decertification votes and various lawsuits. Have fun with this. Forget, for now that the issue has spilled beyond your company and that various legislators are seeking to rile their bases with various red meat legislative proposals, and that consumer activists groups of various stripes are threatening boycotts of at least the private employers product depending upon next steps. To be certain these consumer groups are of opposing minds and not all can be made happy by any decision made.

 

[rockaction]

Full disclosure - I filed a suit several years ago to stop genetic testing for amateur athletics precisely because of this issue.

Oh, yes, we can guarantee you did (file suit).

That's fully evident.

Henry Ford is wicked smart

Perhaps I'm out of line, but this really should have stopped here. Henry hasn't met a left-wing cause he wouldn't adapt nor sue for in his life.

There's no fair-mindedness in constant left-loonery.

That, actually, is not a knock on Henry. Dogs gon' hunt. Civil libertarian lawyers are gon' sue.

eta* I also should state that I really like Henry on the boards. If I get a bit stiff, it's because I take him and his opinions seriously. That's not a public display of BS, that's truth.

 

[RBM]

Oh this poor boy's father.

 

[Rustoleum]

This thread makes me want to just go pee in the backyard.

 

[rockaction]

This thread makes me want to just go pee in the backyard.

Don't forget your bathroom pass and government-certified slip in case you come across some of those who wouldn't want you to do so!

 

[Hang 10]

Just to clarify this point, ICON- let's say this transgender has the full operation, and now no longer has a penis and is outwardly a female. If the other girls still reject being in the same locker room with her, they have no right to do so in your opinion? They're forced in that situation to accept her?

I don't think my point needs a whole lot of clarification. I'm merely stating that if you were born with a penis, and still are equipped with said penis, then you have no ####### business in a women's locker room or bathroom.

Beyond that, there can be discussion.

But that's a pretty simple and reasonable qualfier....

Does Caitlyn Jenner get to use the women's bathroom? I can actually answer that. The answer is yes. Are you okay with that?

Does Caitlyn Jenner get to use the women's locker room at her local fitness center? Is it OK if she gets naked and her penis is exposed to the female patrons in the locker room?

I would imagine the answer to the first question is yes, and to the extent it happens while changing clothes, the answer should definitely be yes. Now, if she drops her pants to the ground and chases someone around jamming it in her face and screaming "lick it!" that wouldn't be okay. But it wouldn't be okay with lady parts, either.

So this is the standard now? To hell with everyone else's rights.

You liberals are so ####ed in the head these days.

 

[Henry Ford]

Full disclosure - I filed a suit several years ago to stop genetic testing for amateur athletics precisely because of this issue.

Oh, yes, we can guarantee you did (file suit).

That's fully evident.

Henry Ford is wicked smart

Perhaps I'm out of line, but this really should have stopped here. Henry hasn't met a left-wing cause he wouldn't adapt nor sue for in his life.

There's no fair-mindedness in constant left-loonery.

That, actually, is not a knock on Henry. Dogs gon' hunt. Civil libertarian lawyers are gon' sue.

eta* I also should state that I really like Henry on the boards. If I get a bit stiff, it's because I take him and his opinions seriously. That's not a public display of BS, that's truth.

I've also filed suit on plenty of conservative issues, man. And there are plenty of left wing causes I don't support. I support equality. That's not actually a left wing idea.

 

[Henry Ford]

Just to clarify this point, ICON- let's say this transgender has the full operation, and now no longer has a penis and is outwardly a female. If the other girls still reject being in the same locker room with her, they have no right to do so in your opinion? They're forced in that situation to accept her?

I don't think my point needs a whole lot of clarification. I'm merely stating that if you were born with a penis, and still are equipped with said penis, then you have no ####### business in a women's locker room or bathroom.

Beyond that, there can be discussion.

But that's a pretty simple and reasonable qualfier....

Does Caitlyn Jenner get to use the women's bathroom? I can actually answer that. The answer is yes. Are you okay with that?

Does Caitlyn Jenner get to use the women's locker room at her local fitness center? Is it OK if she gets naked and her penis is exposed to the female patrons in the locker room?

I would imagine the answer to the first question is yes, and to the extent it happens while changing clothes, the answer should definitely be yes. Now, if she drops her pants to the ground and chases someone around jamming it in her face and screaming "lick it!" that wouldn't be okay. But it wouldn't be okay with lady parts, either.

So this is the standard now? To hell with everyone else's rights.

You liberals are so ####ed in the head these days.

What rights?

 

[Henry Ford]

I feel like some people think there's a constitutional right to never see a penis.

 

[rockaction]

No. There's actually a constitutional right to delineate and separate bathrooms at the local level, without the federal interference of the 14th through the 5th. It should be that simple.

 

[Hang 10]

I feel like some people think there's a constitutional right to never see a penis.

Is there a constitutional right for a man to use the women's locker room?

 

[Henry Ford]

Full disclosure - I filed a suit several years ago to stop genetic testing for amateur athletics precisely because of this issue.

Oh, yes, we can guarantee you did (file suit).

That's fully evident.

Henry Ford is wicked smart

Perhaps I'm out of line, but this really should have stopped here. Henry hasn't met a left-wing cause he wouldn't adapt nor sue for in his life.

There's no fair-mindedness in constant left-loonery.

That, actually, is not a knock on Henry. Dogs gon' hunt. Civil libertarian lawyers are gon' sue.

eta* I also should state that I really like Henry on the boards. If I get a bit stiff, it's because I take him and his opinions seriously. That's not a public display of BS, that's truth.

Yeah, this post is stuck in my head. I've sued for religious conservatives to not have to take an oath of office because it involves pledging to the State over God, I've sued for employment practices requiring someone to work on the sabbath... if I come across as a left-wing whacko, it's certainly not how I'm viewed in my profession.

 

[Henry Ford]

No. There's actually a constitutional right to delineate and separate bathrooms at the local level, without the federal interference of the 14th through the 5th. It should be that simple.

Assuming it doesn't involve discrimination impermissible under Federal law, it might be.

 

[SlaX]

Aren't there doors on the stalls in the locker room?

If it's like it was in my high school, no.

 

[Henry Ford]

I feel like some people think there's a constitutional right to never see a penis.

Is there a constitutional right for a man to use the women's locker room?

There's an interpreted right under Title IX of the Civil Rights act not to be discriminated against for failure to conform to traditional gender identity roles.

 

[D-Day]

I feel like some people think there's a constitutional right to never see a penis.

I wish I had the constitutional right to show everyone my penis, because I like to make people laugh.

 

[rockaction]

Full disclosure - I filed a suit several years ago to stop genetic testing for amateur athletics precisely because of this issue.

Oh, yes, we can guarantee you did (file suit).

That's fully evident.

Henry Ford is wicked smart

Perhaps I'm out of line, but this really should have stopped here. Henry hasn't met a left-wing cause he wouldn't adapt nor sue for in his life.

There's no fair-mindedness in constant left-loonery.

That, actually, is not a knock on Henry. Dogs gon' hunt. Civil libertarian lawyers are gon' sue.

eta* I also should state that I really like Henry on the boards. If I get a bit stiff, it's because I take him and his opinions seriously. That's not a public display of BS, that's truth.

Yeah, this post is stuck in my head. I've sued for religious conservatives to not have to take an oath of office because it involves pledging to the State over God, I've sued for employment practices requiring someone to work on the sabbath... if I come across as a left-wing whacko, it's certainly not how I'm viewed in my profession.

I would not take me that seriously if that's what you're doing for a living. I may raise hay about disagreements, but disagreements and perception are all they are, Henry. I wish you well.

 

[Henry Ford]

Full disclosure - I filed a suit several years ago to stop genetic testing for amateur athletics precisely because of this issue.

Oh, yes, we can guarantee you did (file suit).

That's fully evident.

Henry Ford is wicked smart

Perhaps I'm out of line, but this really should have stopped here. Henry hasn't met a left-wing cause he wouldn't adapt nor sue for in his life.

There's no fair-mindedness in constant left-loonery.

That, actually, is not a knock on Henry. Dogs gon' hunt. Civil libertarian lawyers are gon' sue.

eta* I also should state that I really like Henry on the boards. If I get a bit stiff, it's because I take him and his opinions seriously. That's not a public display of BS, that's truth.

Yeah, this post is stuck in my head. I've sued for religious conservatives to not have to take an oath of office because it involves pledging to the State over God, I've sued for employment practices requiring someone to work on the sabbath... if I come across as a left-wing whacko, it's certainly not how I'm viewed in my profession.

I would not take me that seriously if that's what you're doing for a living. I may raise hay about disagreements, but disagreements and perception are all they are, Henry. I wish you well.

So, I guess the anthrax I just sent to you was an overreaction?

 

[rockaction]

So, I guess the anthrax I just sent to you was an overreaction?

Maybe a slight bit. Please don't wreck the bathroom with it.

 

[Hang 10]

I feel like some people think there's a constitutional right to never see a penis.

Is there a constitutional right for a man to use the women's locker room?

There's an interpreted right under Title IX of the Civil Rights act not to be discriminated against for failure to conform to traditional gender identity roles.

An interpreted right?

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

Huh. This thread went it the complete opposite direction of what I thought it would.

I am shocked. SHOCKED, I tell you.

 

[ClownCausedChaos2]

And on a more serious note: For the record: Thank you, Henry Ford, for keeping up the good fight. Personally, I find these threads exhausting. I could never engage in the discussions that take place in the transgender threads. I appreciate Henry's willingness to stand up on the issue.

 

[Parrothead]

what if this guy was 6'6" but thought he was a girl.. OK to play on the girls high school basketball team?

 

[Hang 10]

what if this guy was 6'6" but thought he was a girl.. OK to play on the girls high school basketball team?

You don't even need hypotheticals for situations like this. There's some MMA league that allows some dude fight women and he has crushed at least one woman's orbital socket. Feelings trump all these days.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I really don't care

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I feel like some people think there's a constitutional right to never see a penis.

Well I can guarantee that I would sue the school system if my 14 year old freshman daughter came home and told me she went to PE class and some dude was walking around the girls locker room with his c**k out. Also I would file a criminal complaint that, said dude exposed himself to my 14 year old daughter. And if said dude were 18 it would make it that much worse.

 

[jonessed]

Are we no longer differentiating between people who actually go through a sex change and those that simply like to dress and act like the opposite sex? What does it take to qualify as transgendered? Just a statement?

 

[rockaction]

Are we no longer differentiating between people who actually go through a sex change and those that simply like to dress and act like the opposite sex? What does it take to qualify as transgendered? Just a statement?

Yep. Such is the issue, as I predicted in the Jenner thread.

Say say say wat you need...