HS girls stage a walkout as trans teen uses girls bathroom (2 Viewers)

[fantasycurse42]

You are aware you're in the extreme minority on this one, correct?

Doesn't make your point of view / opinion any less valid - just that the masses disagree here.

Yes, I agree. An extreme minority of people understand the law on this.

You're also aware an extreme minority of people agree with your opinion as well, right?

Which one?

The one where you think a transgender teenager who still has a penis should be able to use a female locker room.

Oh, I thought you meant gay marriage, miscegenation, physician-assisted suicide, DNRs, marijuana, pornography, or something like that. I guess public opinion has turned around on all those, though, while I was just here being in the extreme minority.

Okay, so we agree - you are in the extreme minority on this one, thanks.

 

[dparker713]

No, what you think someone's genitalia probably is based on the way that person portrays him/herself to the world is sufficient. Because how that person lives and portrays him/herself to the world is actually what we are basing all this on.

Doubtful thats true with minors.

 

[Henry Ford]

So you think we should inspect the kids' genitals at the beginning of the year, or every time they want to use the restroom

Asking down?

Or a birth certificate would perhaps.

Neither of those are a scientific determination of actual sex. And statistically, every school is going to have kids where the birth certificate is just flat out wrong given what we now know about birth sex.Also, yes, great idea. First day of school, we should go ask all the kids if they have a penis or not. What age do you want to start?

What would be more scientific? Asking them if they prefer to wear dresses? What percentage of birth certificates in the US are flat out wrong?

Read the thread. The percentage of people born intersex is high enough that a large number of birth certificates have to be wrong simply because they list a binary birth sex. The only thing those particular certificates actually indicate is what gender the child will be raised as. And you have no idea which ones those are.

 

[Hang 10]

So you think we should inspect the kids' genitals at the beginning of the year, or every time they want to use the restroom

Asking down?

Or a birth certificate would perhaps.

Neither of those are a scientific determination of actual sex. And statistically, every school is going to have kids where the birth certificate is just flat out wrong given what we now know about birth sex.Also, yes, great idea. First day of school, we should go ask all the kids if they have a penis or not. What age do you want to start?

What would be more scientific? Asking them if they prefer to wear dresses? What percentage of birth certificates in the US are flat out wrong?

Read the thread. The percentage of people born intersex is high enough that a large number of birth certificates have to be wrong simply because they list a binary birth sex. The only thing those particular certificates actually indicate is what gender the child will be raised as. And you have no idea which ones those are.

You're reaching.

 

[Henry Ford]

Assuming that you're asking how I feel about high school girls voting on whether a transgender teen gets to have her rights at the school... No. Why would I care if high school girls voted to take away someone's rights?

This comes back to the premise of this one student having more rights than the extremely overwhelming majority.

What rights are being taken away from the overwhelming majority?

The right to tell her she isn't really a girl and make her hide in a corner due to popular vote.

The constitutionally protected right to privacy applies to much less invasive situations than a changing area for children. Yet somehow you want to claim there is absolutely no need to balance competing rights in this context.

Please explain the privacy right that's being violated here. In detail. Try to fully encompass what privacy has been taken from these kids. Then show me an example of how we or they have a "right" to that type of privacy.

Sounds like it's time to set up some webcams in these lockerrooms now. No right to privacy in there whatsoever.

So you believe that the privacy right implicated in having a transgender student in a locker room is the same as the privacy right implicated in setting up a webcam in that locker room?

 

[fantasycurse42]

Oh, I thought you meant gay marriage, miscegenation, physician-assisted suicide, DNRs, marijuana, pornography, or something like that. I guess public opinion has turned around on all those, though, while I was just here being in the extreme minority.

Also, I'm someone who has supported almost all of the above - There just becomes a point where you can't accommodate everyone on all issues.

This one won't change, you know why?

In all likelihood, no 14 year old girl will ever feel comfortable changing in front of someone she grew up knowing as a boy. Regardless of her feelings (which for whatever reason you downplay), she will complain to her parents - And even if said parents are the most liberal people on Earth, they will side with their child in this situation.

 

[dparker713]

Assuming that you're asking how I feel about high school girls voting on whether a transgender teen gets to have her rights at the school... No. Why would I care if high school girls voted to take away someone's rights?

This comes back to the premise of this one student having more rights than the extremely overwhelming majority.

What rights are being taken away from the overwhelming majority?

The right to tell her she isn't really a girl and make her hide in a corner due to popular vote.

The constitutionally protected right to privacy applies to much less invasive situations than a changing area for children. Yet somehow you want to claim there is absolutely no need to balance competing rights in this context.

Please explain the privacy right that's being violated here. In detail. Try to fully encompass what privacy has been taken from these kids. Then show me an example of how we or they have a "right" to that type of privacy.

Sounds like it's time to set up some webcams in these lockerrooms now. No right to privacy in there whatsoever.

So you believe that the privacy right implicated in having a transgender student in a locker room is the same as the privacy right implicated in setting up a webcam in that locker room?

You seem to think that who is watching is irrelevant to the people changing. So why would the number of people watching matter either?

 

[Henry Ford]

So you think we should inspect the kids' genitals at the beginning of the year, or every time they want to use the restroom

Asking down?

Or a birth certificate would perhaps.

Neither of those are a scientific determination of actual sex. And statistically, every school is going to have kids where the birth certificate is just flat out wrong given what we now know about birth sex.Also, yes, great idea. First day of school, we should go ask all the kids if they have a penis or not. What age do you want to start?

What would be more scientific? Asking them if they prefer to wear dresses? What percentage of birth certificates in the US are flat out wrong?

Read the thread. The percentage of people born intersex is high enough that a large number of birth certificates have to be wrong simply because they list a binary birth sex. The only thing those particular certificates actually indicate is what gender the child will be raised as. And you have no idea which ones those are.

You're reaching.

Nope. I'm right. I'm absolutely right on this topic. I will continue to be right on this topic, as I have been since long before the DoJ and DoE joined my arguments on this. This poll is 18% on my side right now - 37-167. Five years ago it would have been 1%. It will only speed up in that direction.At some point we are all going to have to realize that we've been lied to about binary sex and gender all of our lives. It's just the way it is. Chromosomes, plumbing, none of it is a definitive answer to sex for a large number of people. And the #1 career path of people born intersex and raised as women is the career we all drool over - models. Oops.

 

[Henry Ford]

Assuming that you're asking how I feel about high school girls voting on whether a transgender teen gets to have her rights at the school... No. Why would I care if high school girls voted to take away someone's rights?

This comes back to the premise of this one student having more rights than the extremely overwhelming majority.

What rights are being taken away from the overwhelming majority?

The right to tell her she isn't really a girl and make her hide in a corner due to popular vote.

The constitutionally protected right to privacy applies to much less invasive situations than a changing area for children. Yet somehow you want to claim there is absolutely no need to balance competing rights in this context.

Please explain the privacy right that's being violated here. In detail. Try to fully encompass what privacy has been taken from these kids. Then show me an example of how we or they have a "right" to that type of privacy.

Sounds like it's time to set up some webcams in these lockerrooms now. No right to privacy in there whatsoever.

So you believe that the privacy right implicated in having a transgender student in a locker room is the same as the privacy right implicated in setting up a webcam in that locker room?

You seem to think that who is watching is irrelevant to the people changing. So why would the number of people watching matter either?

I don't think it's irrelevant at all. I just don't agree with what you think is a relevant characteristic.

 

[Hang 10]

 

[Henry Ford]

Oh, I thought you meant gay marriage, miscegenation, physician-assisted suicide, DNRs, marijuana, pornography, or something like that. I guess public opinion has turned around on all those, though, while I was just here being in the extreme minority.

Also, I'm someone who has supported almost all of the above - There just becomes a point where you can't accommodate everyone on all issues.

This one won't change, you know why?

In all likelihood, no 14 year old girl will ever feel comfortable changing in front of someone she grew up knowing as a boy. Regardless of her feelings (which for whatever reason you downplay), she will complain to her parents - And even if said parents are the most liberal people on Earth, they will side with their child in this situation.

You're wrong. It's already changing. Gender neutral bathrooms are already happening, including an elementary school as of this year in San Francisco.

 

[Henry Ford]

And the reason I "downplay" the feelings of a teenage girl about what makes her upset or uncomfortable

I don't really have to finish that sentence when we are talking about using her feelings to deny equal rights to someone, right?

 

[fantasycurse42]

And the reason I "downplay" the feelings of a teenage girl about what makes her upset or uncomfortable

I don't really have to finish that sentence when we are talking about using her feelings to deny equal rights to someone, right?

If it was just her feelings, maybe... If it is her feelings along with 98% of the other girls, then wrong.

 

[Clifford]

Aren't we spending a wee bit too much time on edge cases in America?

 

[Henry Ford]

And the reason I "downplay" the feelings of a teenage girl about what makes her upset or uncomfortable

I don't really have to finish that sentence when we are talking about using her feelings to deny equal rights to someone, right?

If it was just her feelings, maybe... If it is her feelings along with 98% of the other girls, then wrong.

I don't care if 99.99999% of teenage girls think something should be outlawed, that's not a reason to deny someone's civil rights.

 

[fantasycurse42]

And the reason I "downplay" the feelings of a teenage girl about what makes her upset or uncomfortable

I don't really have to finish that sentence when we are talking about using her feelings to deny equal rights to someone, right?

If it was just her feelings, maybe... If it is her feelings along with 98% of the other girls, then wrong.

I don't care if 99.99999% of teenage girls think something should be outlawed, that's not a reason to deny someone's civil rights.

So you're saying you care more about one person feeling like they haven't been wronged than the other 9,999,999 people.

 

[Clifford]

Kinda like using the fact that a majority believe in voter fraud to justify Voter ID laws

 

[Henry Ford]

And the reason I "downplay" the feelings of a teenage girl about what makes her upset or uncomfortable

I don't really have to finish that sentence when we are talking about using her feelings to deny equal rights to someone, right?

If it was just her feelings, maybe... If it is her feelings along with 98% of the other girls, then wrong.

I don't care if 99.99999% of teenage girls think something should be outlawed, that's not a reason to deny someone's civil rights.

So you're saying you care more about one person feeling like they haven't been wronged than the other 9,999,999 people.

No, I care about people's actual rights, and I don't put someone feeling uncomfortable or unhappy at the same level as another person's civil rights. You don't have the right to not like stuff, and not liking stuff isn't as important as equal rights.

 

[dparker713]

So you think we should inspect the kids' genitals at the beginning of the year, or every time they want to use the restroom

Asking down?

Or a birth certificate would perhaps.

Neither of those are a scientific determination of actual sex. And statistically, every school is going to have kids where the birth certificate is just flat out wrong given what we now know about birth sex.Also, yes, great idea. First day of school, we should go ask all the kids if they have a penis or not. What age do you want to start?

What would be more scientific? Asking them if they prefer to wear dresses? What percentage of birth certificates in the US are flat out wrong?

Read the thread. The percentage of people born intersex is high enough that a large number of birth certificates have to be wrong simply because they list a binary birth sex. The only thing those particular certificates actually indicate is what gender the child will be raised as. And you have no idea which ones those are.

You're reaching.

Nope. I'm right. I'm absolutely right on this topic. I will continue to be right on this topic, as I have been since long before the DoJ and DoE joined my arguments on this. This poll is 18% on my side right now - 37-167. Five years ago it would have been 1%. It will only speed up in that direction.At some point we are all going to have to realize that we've been lied to about binary sex and gender all of our lives. It's just the way it is. Chromosomes, plumbing, none of it is a definitive answer to sex for a large number of people. And the #1 career path of people born intersex and raised as women is the career we all drool over - models. Oops.

Trump is still polling over 20%. Over 40% believe in creationism. 20% believe an alien craft landed in Roswell NM. Your opinion of the intellectual capabilities of the public are much higher than mine.

 

[dparker713]

Assuming that you're asking how I feel about high school girls voting on whether a transgender teen gets to have her rights at the school... No. Why would I care if high school girls voted to take away someone's rights?

This comes back to the premise of this one student having more rights than the extremely overwhelming majority.

What rights are being taken away from the overwhelming majority?

The right to tell her she isn't really a girl and make her hide in a corner due to popular vote.

The constitutionally protected right to privacy applies to much less invasive situations than a changing area for children. Yet somehow you want to claim there is absolutely no need to balance competing rights in this context.

Please explain the privacy right that's being violated here. In detail. Try to fully encompass what privacy has been taken from these kids. Then show me an example of how we or they have a "right" to that type of privacy.

Sounds like it's time to set up some webcams in these lockerrooms now. No right to privacy in there whatsoever.

So you believe that the privacy right implicated in having a transgender student in a locker room is the same as the privacy right implicated in setting up a webcam in that locker room?

You seem to think that who is watching is irrelevant to the people changing. So why would the number of people watching matter either?

I don't think it's irrelevant at all. I just don't agree with what you think is a relevant characteristic.

"We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights -- older than our political parties, older than our school system." Griswold

 

[dparker713]

And the reason I "downplay" the feelings of a teenage girl about what makes her upset or uncomfortable

I don't really have to finish that sentence when we are talking about using her feelings to deny equal rights to someone, right?

The only way to grant equal rights to all in this situation is to make one lockerroom.

 

[fantasycurse42]

We'll agree to disagree... No one is making a breakthrough on this one.

 

[dutch]

Henry, thank you for all the information you've posted in here. My family and I were recently made aware by some friends that they are currently dealing with this very issue and having read this thread allowed me to discuss this with them in a more informed and non-judgmental fashion than I likely would have were I still completely ignorant on the subject. Our friends appreciated our tact and understanding. Thanks and please keep up the fight.

 

[Henry Ford]

"We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights -- older than our political parties, older than our school system." Griswold

Yes, the right to discuss birth control is important. I agree.

 

[Henry Ford]

Henry, thank you for all the information you've posted in here. My family and I were recently made aware by some friends that they are currently dealing with this very issue and having read this thread allowed me to discuss this with them in a more informed and non-judgmental fashion than I likely would have were I still completely ignorant on the subject. Our friends appreciated our tact and understanding. Thanks and please keep up the fight.

That's really nice of you to say. I hope my ignorance of some things didn't make you look bad.

 

[Clifford]

Is the prime question whether or not all of society has to treat transgender as their identified gender?

 

[Henry Ford]

Is the prime question whether or not all of society has to treat transgender as their identified gender?

I think the prime question is whether state actors have to allow transgender people to live as their identified gender, with all the benefits and privileges that entails.

 

[dutch]

Henry, thank you for all the information you've posted in here. My family and I were recently made aware by some friends that they are currently dealing with this very issue and having read this thread allowed me to discuss this with them in a more informed and non-judgmental fashion than I likely would have were I still completely ignorant on the subject. Our friends appreciated our tact and understanding. Thanks and please keep up the fight.

That's really nice of you to say. I hope my ignorance of some things didn't make you look bad.

On the contrary, you knowledge made me look good.

 

[Henry Ford]

Henry, thank you for all the information you've posted in here. My family and I were recently made aware by some friends that they are currently dealing with this very issue and having read this thread allowed me to discuss this with them in a more informed and non-judgmental fashion than I likely would have were I still completely ignorant on the subject. Our friends appreciated our tact and understanding. Thanks and please keep up the fight.

That's really nice of you to say. I hope my ignorance of some things didn't make you look bad.

On the contrary, you knowledge made me look good.

True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing, I suppose.

 

[Henry Ford]

We'll agree to disagree... No one is making a breakthrough on this one.

http://www.refugerestrooms.org/

 

[fantasycurse42]

We'll agree to disagree... No one is making a breakthrough on this one.

http://www.refugerestrooms.org/

They're gonna be huge!!1!!1!

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

My wife recently wrote an amicus brief from school administrators who had dealt with trans students in the "G.G." case.

Like many of you, it was an issue I hadn't really considered before, but I found reading her brief was pretty educational for me.

For one thing, the educators uniformly stated that adults tend to have a bigger problem with "affirming" policies than students. In the G.G. case, the girls didn't want Gavin Grimm in their bathroom even if he was born with female genitalia. He looks like a guy. Forcing Gavin, and only Gavin, to use the unisex bathroom in the nurse's office is clearly singling him out. Instead, most school systems adopt a policy where any student, for any reason, can use such unisex restrooms. That way, if a boy is freaked out by Gavin using the men's room, that student is welcome to use the unisex bathroom. A clear theme is that many of the concerns that the Gloucester School Board have brought up are hypothetical and have not occurred in school districts with experience accommodating trans students. Many of the administrators who were quoted in the brief learned these lessons from hard experience, sometimes being sued themselves.

 

[avoiding injuries]

We'll agree to disagree... No one is making a breakthrough on this one.

This was apparent 20+ pages ago. It's primarily one person vs everyone else and neither side is going to budge.

 

[Henry Ford]

My wife recently wrote an amicus brief from school administrators who had dealt with trans students in the "G.G." case.

Like many of you, it was an issue I hadn't really considered before, but I found reading her brief was pretty educational for me.

For one thing, the educators uniformly stated that adults tend to have a bigger problem with "affirming" policies than students. In the G.G. case, the girls didn't want Gavin Grimm in their bathroom even if he was born with female genitalia. He looks like a guy. Forcing Gavin, and only Gavin, to use the unisex bathroom in the nurse's office is clearly singling him out. Instead, most school systems adopt a policy where any student, for any reason, can use such unisex restrooms. That way, if a boy is freaked out by Gavin using the men's room, that student is welcome to use the unisex bathroom. A clear theme is that many of the concerns that the Gloucester School Board have brought up are hypothetical and have not occurred in school districts with experience accommodating trans students. Many of the administrators who were quoted in the brief learned these lessons from hard experience, sometimes being sued themselves.

I'm following GG very closely and I've read that brief. It's a really good brief.

 

[fantasycurse42]

My wife recently wrote an amicus brief from school administrators who had dealt with trans students in the "G.G." case.

Like many of you, it was an issue I hadn't really considered before, but I found reading her brief was pretty educational for me.

For one thing, the educators uniformly stated that adults tend to have a bigger problem with "affirming" policies than students. In the G.G. case, the girls didn't want Gavin Grimm in their bathroom even if he was born with female genitalia. He looks like a guy. Forcing Gavin, and only Gavin, to use the unisex bathroom in the nurse's office is clearly singling him out. Instead, most school systems adopt a policy where any student, for any reason, can use such unisex restrooms. That way, if a boy is freaked out by Gavin using the men's room, that student is welcome to use the unisex bathroom. A clear theme is that many of the concerns that the Gloucester School Board have brought up are hypothetical and have not occurred in school districts with experience accommodating trans students. Many of the administrators who were quoted in the brief learned these lessons from hard experience, sometimes being sued themselves.

I'm following GG very closely and I've read that brief. It's a really good brief.

I don't know much about this, but didn't a federal judge just rule that GG can't use the male bathroom?

 

[Henry Ford]

My wife recently wrote an amicus brief from school administrators who had dealt with trans students in the "G.G." case.

Like many of you, it was an issue I hadn't really considered before, but I found reading her brief was pretty educational for me.

For one thing, the educators uniformly stated that adults tend to have a bigger problem with "affirming" policies than students. In the G.G. case, the girls didn't want Gavin Grimm in their bathroom even if he was born with female genitalia. He looks like a guy. Forcing Gavin, and only Gavin, to use the unisex bathroom in the nurse's office is clearly singling him out. Instead, most school systems adopt a policy where any student, for any reason, can use such unisex restrooms. That way, if a boy is freaked out by Gavin using the men's room, that student is welcome to use the unisex bathroom. A clear theme is that many of the concerns that the Gloucester School Board have brought up are hypothetical and have not occurred in school districts with experience accommodating trans students. Many of the administrators who were quoted in the brief learned these lessons from hard experience, sometimes being sued themselves.

I'm following GG very closely and I've read that brief. It's a really good brief.

I don't know much about this, but didn't a federal judge just rule that GG can't use the male bathroom?

No, a judge refused to issue a preliminary injunction and set the matter for trial, while dismissing the Title IX section of the complaint (which is on appeal.) The rest of the complaint persists.

 

[sublimeone]

18.45% of FBG's are lunatics

 

[Henry Ford]

It's a public vote. In a few years, we can look back and see if anyone's embarrassed about which side of this vote he or she was on. What do you say?

phandango, whoknew, Bucky86, urbanhack, SlaX, elbowrm, NorvilleBarnes,timschochet, sports_fan, Mohawk, matuski, Veggie Burger, Henry Ford, Juxtatarot,The Hardline, Franknbeans, fatguyinalittlecoat, Keith R, Zow, useurillusionn,swirvenirvin, jdoggydogg, Instinctive, wazoo11, Bottomfeeder Sports, bigfeet_88,anakin, (HULK), Dickies, onionsack, Rayderr, BobbyLayne, simmonjm, Disc Shark, acapella, Sinn Fein, MikeMan, trogg78

vs.

sublimeone, Parrothead, fantasycurse42, Bogeys, FUBAR, HomerSimpson, Don't Noonan, tonydead, PlasmaDogPlasma, Walking Boot, avoiding injuries, Charlie Steiner, xyrza, AAABatteries, FiredMartz, The General, FattyVM, GoFishTN,shady inc, MaxThreshold, Mister CIA, WhatDoIKnow, SacramentoBob, RBM,scoobus, Hang 10, bigmarc27, Porkchop Express, Mad Cow, jjwc316, BYRK75!,Silver Surfer, Widbil83, Ditka Butkus, Boston, bcat01, Football Menace, jonessed,Courtjester, bud29, Spin, Clown Car, MikeIke, ghostguy123, TheFly06, Officer Pete Malloy, The Gator, fruity pebbles, ditka311, Hagger, ThaPenguin, bucksoh,squidrope, Cjw_55106, IvanKaramazov, Ned, Blick, TPW, SteevieG, pantagrapher,by_the_sea_wannabe, Battles, top dog, saintsfan, Wildcat, JohnnyU, LAUNCH,Mr. Ected, Coeur de Lion, Socrates11, Foosball God, Blind Tiger, Pantherz,sharptongued1, Steeler, Gadabout, Buckychudd, Sand, GOB, renesauz, Enderdog,-jb-, Statcruncher, Tackling Dummies, Chef Boyardee, Marauder, Meatwad Reloaded, Ned Ryerson, tuffnutt, coyote5, HughHoney, zeamax, whiskey7, Harry Manback, oso diablo, sn0mm1s, Galileo, Gawain, 32 Counter Pass,Underachievers, Pumpnick, Super King, Hot Diggity Dog, chauncey, GilbertGrape,Insein, Pipes, Kev4029, bananafish, tdoss, Sabertooth, Steelers4Life, Rick James,bucs4life_99, Emerson Biggens, T J, tom22406, R.I.P., jade, Hov34, Frostillicus,Ksquared, dparker713, Mr. Soup Nazi, badgerfan80, hxperson, Fresh Prince of Bel Nor, Eminence, SkyRattlers, Voice Of Reason, tfreiboth, Pots, CommisR, glumpy,Daywalker, FBG26, Deranged Hermit, tommyboy, Native, shuke, GrandpaRox,SHIZNITTTT, bcdjr1, fantasysavant, rwebb18, johnadams, Nigel, Gottabesweet,Godsbrother, CowboysFromHell, Nugget, silentmark, Kid_kong, encaitar, VA703,Cliff Clavin, doowain, zoonation, bearsfan1001, abbottjamesr, pyite76, bizkliz,Redwes25, zed2283, Shane Falco, Tiger Fan, Cawdor, Bobcat10

Meantime, here's the position of the United States on the appeal:

Link

 

[sublimeone]

It's a public vote. In a few years, we can look back and see if anyone's embarrassed about which side of this vote he or she was on. What do you say?

phandango, whoknew, Bucky86, urbanhack, SlaX, elbowrm, NorvilleBarnes,timschochet, sports_fan, Mohawk, matuski, Veggie Burger, Henry Ford, Juxtatarot,The Hardline, Franknbeans, fatguyinalittlecoat, Keith R, Zow, useurillusionn,swirvenirvin, jdoggydogg, Instinctive, wazoo11, Bottomfeeder Sports, bigfeet_88,anakin, (HULK), Dickies, onionsack, Rayderr, BobbyLayne, simmonjm, Disc Shark, acapella, Sinn Fein, MikeMan, trogg78

vs.

sublimeone, Parrothead, fantasycurse42, Bogeys, FUBAR, HomerSimpson, Don't Noonan, tonydead, PlasmaDogPlasma, Walking Boot, avoiding injuries, Charlie Steiner, xyrza, AAABatteries, FiredMartz, The General, FattyVM, GoFishTN,shady inc, MaxThreshold, Mister CIA, WhatDoIKnow, SacramentoBob, RBM,scoobus, Hang 10, bigmarc27, Porkchop Express, Mad Cow, jjwc316, BYRK75!,Silver Surfer, Widbil83, Ditka Butkus, Boston, bcat01, Football Menace, jonessed,Courtjester, bud29, Spin, Clown Car, MikeIke, ghostguy123, TheFly06, Officer Pete Malloy, The Gator, fruity pebbles, ditka311, Hagger, ThaPenguin, bucksoh,squidrope, Cjw_55106, IvanKaramazov, Ned, Blick, TPW, SteevieG, pantagrapher,by_the_sea_wannabe, Battles, top dog, saintsfan, Wildcat, JohnnyU, LAUNCH,Mr. Ected, Coeur de Lion, Socrates11, Foosball God, Blind Tiger, Pantherz,sharptongued1, Steeler, Gadabout, Buckychudd, Sand, GOB, renesauz, Enderdog,-jb-, Statcruncher, Tackling Dummies, Chef Boyardee, Marauder, Meatwad Reloaded, Ned Ryerson, tuffnutt, coyote5, HughHoney, zeamax, whiskey7, Harry Manback, oso diablo, sn0mm1s, Galileo, Gawain, 32 Counter Pass,Underachievers, Pumpnick, Super King, Hot Diggity Dog, chauncey, GilbertGrape,Insein, Pipes, Kev4029, bananafish, tdoss, Sabertooth, Steelers4Life, Rick James,bucs4life_99, Emerson Biggens, T J, tom22406, R.I.P., jade, Hov34, Frostillicus,Ksquared, dparker713, Mr. Soup Nazi, badgerfan80, hxperson, Fresh Prince of Bel Nor, Eminence, SkyRattlers, Voice Of Reason, tfreiboth, Pots, CommisR, glumpy,Daywalker, FBG26, Deranged Hermit, tommyboy, Native, shuke, GrandpaRox,SHIZNITTTT, bcdjr1, fantasysavant, rwebb18, johnadams, Nigel, Gottabesweet,Godsbrother, CowboysFromHell, Nugget, silentmark, Kid_kong, encaitar, VA703,Cliff Clavin, doowain, zoonation, bearsfan1001, abbottjamesr, pyite76, bizkliz,Redwes25, zed2283, Shane Falco, Tiger Fan, Cawdor, Bobcat10

Meantime, here's the position of the United States on the appeal:

Link

Let the official record state: I don't think it's appropriate for someone with a pen15 to be allowed in the girls locker room.

 

[Henry Ford]

Let the official record state: I don't think it's appropriate for someone with a pen15 to be allowed in the girls locker room.

I think your position is clear.

 

[sublimeone]

Let the official record state: I don't think it's appropriate for someone with a pen15 to be allowed in the girls locker room.

I think your position is clear.

just wanted to make it official

 

[Eminence]

So you think we should inspect the kids' genitals at the beginning of the year, or every time they want to use the restroom

Asking down?

Or a birth certificate would perhaps.

Neither of those are a scientific determination of actual sex. And statistically, every school is going to have kids where the birth certificate is just flat out wrong given what we now know about birth sex.Also, yes, great idea. First day of school, we should go ask all the kids if they have a penis or not. What age do you want to start?

What would be more scientific? Asking them if they prefer to wear dresses? What percentage of birth certificates in the US are flat out wrong?

Read the thread. The percentage of people born intersex is high enough that a large number of birth certificates have to be wrong simply because they list a binary birth sex. The only thing those particular certificates actually indicate is what gender the child will be raised as. And you have no idea which ones those are.

You're reaching.

Nope. I'm right. I'm absolutely right on this topic. I will continue to be right on this topic, as I have been since long before the DoJ and DoE joined my arguments on this. This poll is 18% on my side right now - 37-167. Five years ago it would have been 1%. It will only speed up in that direction.At some point we are all going to have to realize that we've been lied to about binary sex and gender all of our lives. It's just the way it is. Chromosomes, plumbing, none of it is a definitive answer to sex for a large number of people. And the #1 career path of people born intersex and raised as women is the career we all drool over - models. Oops.

No, if we let weirdos like you pollute the minds of the youth, that's the direction we'll go. A mental illness does not change the definition of sex for everyone.

 

[Henry Ford]

No, if we let weirdos like you pollute the minds of the youth, that's the direction we'll go. A mental illness does not change the definition of sex for everyone.

It does make it hard to have any, though, doesn't it?

 

[sublimeone]

Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.

 

[Eminence]

Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.

Why not? If a child can make the decision to change their gender, surely they can consent to sex, right?

 

[Henry Ford]

Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.

Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.

 

[Henry Ford]

Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.

Why not? If a child can make the decision to change their gender, surely they can consent to sex, right?

Why would that be the case? I look forward to seeing you show your work.

 

[fantasycurse42]

It's a public vote. In a few years, we can look back and see if anyone's embarrassed about which side of this vote he or she was on. What do you say?

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Meantime, here's the position of the United States on the appeal:

Link

Let the record show, I will not be embarrassed.

Also, isn't this case still ongoing and wasn't title ix being dismissed speaking against this person's rights to use the male bathroom?

 

[Eminence]

Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.

Why not? If a child can make the decision to change their gender, surely they can consent to sex, right?

Why would that be the case? I look forward to seeing you show your work.

I assume that body mutilation and consent to sex are within the same tier of life decisions that a child can make. If you're telling me that you think a kid should be able to permanently disfigure his or her body but can't consent to sex, that seems a little backwards to me.

 

[Eminence]

Bobby, you want to get a blow job from the teacher? You can't do that!

Bobby, you want to be a girl? We thought you'd never ask!