Hurricane Irma Updates - Mia/TB likely to move locations or date. (1 Viewer)

[FF Dude]

Pretty sure you read that wrong

I saw the exact same thing. Maybe they already flip flopped. Cant find anything that says this on their site. Only showed up on the alert. 

It just came up as a notification while I was using the ESPN app...hopefully I read it wrong and apologies for freaking everyone out....but I'm pretty sure that's what it said.

 

[MattFancy]

I saw the exact same thing. Maybe they already flip flopped. Cant find anything that says this on their site. Only showed up on the alert. 

I got an alert to and it said the scores would count towards Week 11

 

[Pipes]

So basically any close game with any of those players involved, no one will know what any of those owners' real record is.

Until after week 11. Two weeks before playoffs.

Trying to think of a dumber way to handle this but I got nothing.

That's the big issue is how it impacts fantasy playoff weeks.  Also do you get to double dip and get their points both weeks?  That's BS as well.  If you don't double dip and have them listed as a starter how do you get their points into week 1.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

In regards to the Doug Martin thing. I don't follow NFL defense strengths too much--but here is one thing that changes. Martin was scheduled to miss the first 3 games--versus--the dolphins,  bears and vikings.  Because of the bye getting moved to week 1--Martin will now miss games against the bears, vikings, and giants.   Essentially what happens is that he now gets to play against the dolphins later in the year--but misses the giants game earlier in the year.   If somebody that knows NFL defenses really well might want to comment on if that's a plus/negative change for Martin--that would be appreciated.  

I'm not sure if last seasons defensive stats mean much this season--but last year--the giants had the 2nd best run defense in the league in regards to rushing yards allowed. The dolphins had the second worst.  If last years defensive numbers translate into anything this season--Martin missing the Giants game and picking up the Dolphins game is a huge step up for him.  

 

[Mavis]

I got an alert to and it said the scores would count towards Week 11

I got that same alert, maybe it went to some and not others...it wasnt an email, it was a app alert. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The irony is you can tell the Dolphins and Buccs owners while at the same time seeing who was playing against them this week. 

Just like everything else, how it effects an individual determines their positions. Human nature in all of us. 

I was starting Jacquizz Rodgers (also have Martin) and Jameis Winston - the guy I'm playing has Zeke Elliot and no one in this game. I wouldn't say I'm happy, but the way I look at it, is let's see what happens....

All in all, I would have rather they moved the game to a neutral site - but I can't kill the NFL for making a tough decision where they have tons more information and ramifications than the rest of us.

 

[Slapdash]

Well, so much for that Evans/Landry combo week 1

 

[Mavis]

I was starting Jacquizz Rodgers (also have Martin) and Jameis Winston - the guy I'm playing has Zeke Elliot and no one in this game. I wouldn't say I'm happy, but the way I look at it, is let's see what happens....

All in all, I would have rather they moved the game to a neutral site - but I can't kill the NFL for making a tough decision where they have tons more information and ramifications than the rest of us.

Well, you may not but I will. I want to point out I started this thread on Sunday. Are you telling me I could see this was a big problem before the NFL? If thats true, that yes, anyone can and SHOULD fault the NFL here. They got it wrong because they didnt act appropriately and swiftly. 

 

[Deamon]

Do the teams still get to practice in So. Florida this week?

 

[Mavis]

Do the teams still get to practice in So. Florida this week?

Gase said on MnM that the players can go be with their families. All they are going to do is leave with their families like they would have if there was a game. I'm sure their families were not waiting until today to be prepared and as it was said above, the NFL players are not going to be bagging sand right now, maybe after, not now.   

 

[Godsbrother]

Well, so much for that Evans/Landry combo week 1

I was hoping to get in a few weeks with Landry before the NFL suspends him. :(

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Well, you may not but I will. I want to point out I started this thread on Sunday. Are you telling me I could see this was a big problem before the NFL? If thats true, that yes, anyone can and SHOULD fault the NFL here. They got it wrong because they didnt act appropriately and swiftly. 

You seem to see everything in black or white - there's shades in my world. Not sure if either of us are right or wrong here - but I'm also not sure that acting swiftly would have changed their decision at all.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

There's a decent chance the people in Florida could be without power and without the ability to watch the game, if played.

Yes but if they evacuate they'd likely be able to watch their favorite team play (Bucs or Fins, respectively) 

just saying - normalcy can be helpful.

I can't believe they cancelled the games instead of moving them. 

 

[MattFancy]

You seem to see everything in black or white - there's shades in my world. Not sure if either of us are right or wrong here - but I'm also not sure that acting swiftly would have changed their decision at all.

The easiest decision all along for the league was to move it to Week 11. Both teams had byes so they didn't have to do much of anything. Instead of trying to come up with the logistics of moving the game to a neutral site, they opted for the easy way out. Not faulting them for that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The easiest decision all along for the league was to move it to Week 11. Both teams had byes so they didn't have to do much of anything. Instead of trying to come up with the logistics of moving the game to a neutral site, they opted for the easy way out. Not faulting them for that.

Yep - low hanging fruit. 

And as has been mentioned many, many times, the team's & surrounding staff can now attend to personal matters like getting to safety & bracing for the storm. 

The only part that conflicts with that is that neither team wanted to play week 11, and both expressed that they wanted to play this week. 

But it is what it is. Hopefully the hurricane comes and goes with a minimum of damage/loss of life. That's probably more important than foozball. 

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The only part that conflicts with that is that neither team wanted to play week 11, and both expressed that they wanted to play this week.  

I don't think we really know that at all. There's very sloppy reporting now a days.

I could see many players wanting to be with their families. I can see Miami ownership and coaching staff not wanting to play two neutral site games this season at the expense of losing two home games.

I realize I'm speculating of course but I think some of these reports that get tweeted out and repeated over and over may not be all that accurate or paint the full picture (i.e. asking one guy from each team and going with that response).

 

[Weebs210]

Riddle me this Batman. If you play on ESPN and drafted Doug Martin could you play him this week and get points week 11?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I don't think we really know that at all. There's very sloppy reporting now a days.

I could see many players wanting to be with their families. I can see Miami ownership and coaching staff not wanting to play two neutral site games this season at the expense of losing two home games.

I realize I'm speculating of course but I think some of these reports that get tweeted out and repeated over and over may not be all that accurate or paint the full picture (i.e. asking one guy from each team and going with that response).

While I agree, I also suspect many players don't want to play 16 straight games.

Some may have even scheduled week 11 vacations with their families since that's the only week/weekend they get off for 5 months. 

Two sides to that coin is all I'm sayin. 

 

[Long Ball Larry]

It potentially could HELP Martin owners.   Prior to the announcement, you would not have had Martin in Week 11 due to a bye.   Now you will have Martin available, barring injury, for what is usually an important end of season game in most leagues. 

Assuming that he stays healthy--it does not hurt you. You actually get to use Martin on week 11 now--which he would have missed due to the original bye week.   So instead of coming back week 4 and then missing week 11--he now comes back week 5 and plays the rest of the way through.   

you're right, should not have said definitely.  I am not thrilled with my overall RB situation, so for me, I'd rather have him as an option sooner rather than later...

but if things go ok in the first few weeks, definitely an advantage to not have a bye later.

 

[Bronco Billy]

For crying out loud, this is just a sporting event and it slightly affects a freakin' game you guys are playing.  As opposed to the people who live in the area and are watching a major hurricane bearing down on them.

Some of you need to gather a little perspective, show some empathy, and get hold of yourselves.  If moving the game to later in the year is that traumatic for you because it affects the game you are playing, you might want to consider some time away from FF.

Damn.

 

[need2know]

For crying out loud, this is just a sporting event and it slightly affects a freakin' game you guys are playing.  As opposed to the people who live in the area and are watching a major hurricane bearing down on them.

Some of you need to gather a little perspective, show some empathy, and get hold of yourselves.  If moving the game to later in the year is that traumatic for you because it affects the game you are playing, you might want to consider some time away from FF.

Damn.

First, you are right.

Second, you are in a fantasy football forum.  What did you expect?  I don't come in here to marvel at others empathy.

 

[NREC34]

First, you are right.

Second, you are in a fantasy football forum.  What did you expect?  I don't come in here to marvel at others empathy.

I did step away. For 8 months 

 

[Mavis]

For crying out loud, this is just a sporting event and it slightly affects a freakin' game you guys are playing.  As opposed to the people who live in the area and are watching a major hurricane bearing down on them.

Some of you need to gather a little perspective, show some empathy, and get hold of yourselves.  If moving the game to later in the year is that traumatic for you because it affects the game you are playing, you might want to consider some time away from FF.

Damn.

Then dont come to a football board thinking to discuss other things than football. 

This is about football, we will talk about ti accordingly. Right or wrong, this is about football here.

 

[Mavis]

Riddle me this Batman. If you play on ESPN and drafted Doug Martin could you play him this week and get points week 11?

This is what I was wondering, it seems ESPN is turning back on its initial response after outrage. The fact that fantasy players have to tell ESPN how stuff works is a bad look for ESPN. 

 

[Bronco Billy]

First, you are right.

Second, you are in a fantasy football forum.  What did you expect?  I don't come in here to marvel at others empathy.

What do I expect?  I expect people to show a modicum of understanding given the dire circumstances, and realize that the world doesn't revolve around them.  Seriously?

Damn X2

 

[need2know]

What do I expect?  I expect people to show a modicum of understanding given the dire circumstances, and realize that the world doesn't revolve around them.  Seriously?

Damn X2

You should lower expectations.  

 

[jcsalazar]

I have Winston with no backup! There's nobody on my bench that I want to cut for a backup QB! Should I cut my kicker (Boswell) and play without one? My opponent has Diggs and Dalvin Cook! Should I pick up Bradford so it washes the Diggs/Cooks play??

$50 side bet was established before Irma developed!

 

[DocHolliday]

I don't think that anybody here disagrees with you.  Our thoughts and prayers go out to everybody that will be effected by this massive storm.  However--I think the way that you described it is far too binary. Either we back the NFL's decision--or we come across as being heartless--and that's not the case.   The NFL had many options in regards to what they could have done here.  Moving the game back to week 11 completely neglects player safety. Both teams made it clear that they would prefer to play the game this week. The NFL could have moved the game to a neutral site and used the money raised to donate towards hurricane relief.  This decision would take the players and their families out of harms way, would actually take into account player safety,  would raise money and support for hurricane relief--and lastly and least importantly it appeases the NFL fans (including the betting and fantasy football playing public).  We can think that the NFL didn't make the right choice without it being implied that we care more about our fantasy teams than we do storm victims.    Nobody here is heartless--and nobody here puts their fantasy teams over the safety of the people that will be effected by this storm. 

I never meant to imply that anyone on this board was heartless if they complained about the NFLs decision to cancel the TB-MIA game.  I do not even think that I mentioned anyone being heartless or called anyone out.  My point was that the NFL made their decision and now we deal with it.  And, that Irma's impact on FF can be handled while many people in the path of that beast may have their lives thrown into chaos for the next few weeks or months.   

 

[massraider]

For crying out loud, this is just a sporting event and it slightly affects a freakin' game you guys are playing.  As opposed to the people who live in the area and are watching a major hurricane bearing down on them.

Some of you need to gather a little perspective, show some empathy, and get hold of yourselves.  If moving the game to later in the year is that traumatic for you because it affects the game you are playing, you might want to consider some time away from FF.

Damn.

YES

Also, I was going against Winston this week, so...you know.  

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I never meant to imply that anyone on this board was heartless if they complained about the NFLs decision to cancel the TB-MIA game.  I do not even think that I mentioned anyone being heartless or called anyone out.  My point was that the NFL made their decision and now we deal with it.  And, that Irma's impact on FF can be handled while many people in the path of that beast may have their lives thrown into chaos for the next few weeks or months.   

I totally get your point and I admit that it was probably unfair of me to cherry pick your post to reply to--I should have just posted it without replying to any specific post.  That wasn't super fair--and I didn't mean to paint your opinion into something that it was not.  However--if you look through the posts on this thread--there are many people that think that those of us that think that postponing the game to week 11 makes it so that we are heartless and just happen to take fantasy football too seriously.  That's just not the case.   The teams themselves wanted to play this week.   Maybe the people in the organizations don't want to go 16 straight weeks without being there for or seeing their families.   A lot of people are painting this into some sort of binary option that the league had--where either you agree with them--or you are some heartless fantasy football fanatic that cares more about your team than you do the massive amounts of people that will be effected.   That's just not true--and the NFL had plenty of options at the tips of their hands.  Thinking that they didn't choose the optimal one for a myriad of reasons is not a reason to somehow questions our morals or heart.  

 

[gump]

Not if they evacuated like they were told. 

The majority of the Bucs fanbase likely won't be in Evac Zones...but may certainly be without power.

 

[Buckna]

The easiest decision all along for the league was to move it to Week 11. Both teams had byes so they didn't have to do much of anything. Instead of trying to come up with the logistics of moving the game to a neutral site, they opted for the easy way out. Not faulting them for that.

Agreed, probably already mentioned in this thread but the league did even more than this when dealing with the Texans and Ravens in '08 when the Texans stadium was damaged by Hurricane Ike. They moved their week 2 game to the Raven's Bye in week 10 AND moved the Texans week 10 game against Cinci to week 8 when those two teams were to have their Bye's. Cinci then got a Bye in week 10 instead of 8 and the Ravens and Texans got a Bye in week 2.

 

[barackdhouse]

As was mentioned previously, there are a couple precedents for this. And although the main purposes of bye weeks are allegedly player safety and the added revenue of 17-18 television weeks, I'm sure that the NFL did actually intend byes for scheduling emergencies like this. The fact that they were both week 11 made it much easier.

 

[GreenNGold]

Acting like the moving the bye week is a huge player safety issue is a joke.  Sure some banged up players can always use the bye week, they might need to miss a week at some point during the season now to rest instead, not ideal but there is nothing that shows they bye week is that huge for player safety, otherwise teams that get the bye in week 4 are getting the shaft too. 

The player safety issue is players playing in 16+ actual NFL games. 

 

[jcsalazar]

I have Winston with no backup! There's nobody on my bench that I want to cut for a backup QB! Should I cut my kicker (Boswell) and play without one? My opponent has Diggs and Dalvin Cook! Should I pick up Bradford so it washes the Diggs/Cooks play??

$50 side bet was established before Irma developed!

 

[barackdhouse]

I have Winston with no backup! There's nobody on my bench that I want to cut for a backup QB! Should I cut my kicker (Boswell) and play without one? My opponent has Diggs and Dalvin Cook! Should I pick up Bradford so it washes the Diggs/Cooks play??

$50 side bet was established before Irma developed!

Dude you've posted this in like 4 spots. Go to the assistant coaches forum. Go find a QB. Any of them. 

 

[jcsalazar]

Lol

 

[Bronco Billy]

not ideal but there is nothing that shows they bye week is that huge for player safety, otherwise teams that get the bye in week 4 are getting the shaft too. 

Which would be 0 teams.  There are no byes week 4

 

[DocHolliday]

I totally get your point and I admit that it was probably unfair of me to cherry pick your post to reply to--I should have just posted it without replying to any specific post.  That wasn't super fair--and I didn't mean to paint your opinion into something that it was not.  However--if you look through the posts on this thread--there are many people that think that those of us that think that postponing the game to week 11 makes it so that we are heartless and just happen to take fantasy football too seriously.  That's just not the case.   The teams themselves wanted to play this week.   Maybe the people in the organizations don't want to go 16 straight weeks without being there for or seeing their families.   A lot of people are painting this into some sort of binary option that the league had--where either you agree with them--or you are some heartless fantasy football fanatic that cares more about your team than you do the massive amounts of people that will be effected.   That's just not true--and the NFL had plenty of options at the tips of their hands.  Thinking that they didn't choose the optimal one for a myriad of reasons is not a reason to somehow questions our morals or heart.  

I don't think anyone is being heartless in complaining.  Seems like a reasonable natural reaction but we all need to keep things in perspective.  I'm not happy about the start to this FF season but life is full of curveballs.  I cannot believe I am going to be making roster moves before week 1.  I lived in Fort Myers and have friends all throughout FL.  Most of them are really concerned with Irma and are dealing with all kinds of storm prep at home and at work.   

 

[Hawkeye21]

I have Winston with no backup! There's nobody on my bench that I want to cut for a backup QB! Should I cut my kicker (Boswell) and play without one? My opponent has Diggs and Dalvin Cook! Should I pick up Bradford so it washes the Diggs/Cooks play??

$50 side bet was established before Irma developed!

Drop the one player you feel will still be available next week and pick up Bradford.  Don't make it harder than it needs to be.

 

[Bossman]

Winds of 150 mph ... people are going to lose houses, maybe lives.

Probably going to be a month or two to clean up & rebuild.

and folks want to complain about the NFL's decision to replay the game week 11. Sheesh.

Seemed like the right decision to me. MIA loses a vacation come week 11 ... but doesn't lose a home game like they would if they played at a neutral site this week. 

... and as a MIA player or coach, I think that I would gladly give up the bye week to be available to look after my families safety this week.

 

[GreenNGold]

Which would be 0 teams.  There are no byes week 4

Good to know, that is new this year then and a good change.  There were week 4 byes last year and years past. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

Winds of 150 mph ... people are going to lose houses, maybe lives.

Probably going to be a month or two to clean up & rebuild.

and folks want to complain about the NFL's decision to replay the game week 11. Sheesh.

Seemed like the right decision to me. MIA loses a vacation come week 11 ... but doesn't lose a home game like they would if they played at a neutral site this week. 

... and as a MIA player or coach, I think that I would gladly give up the bye week to be available to look after my families safety this week.

I think everyone understands the severity of the situation but this is still a fantasy football site.  When I want to discuss the impact of the storm outside of football I'll do it somewhere else.  I don't think anyone here doesn't feel compassion for the people who live there.  There's no bad intent.

 

[Bronco Billy]

I think everyone understands the severity of the situation but this is still a fantasy football site.  When I want to discuss the impact of the storm outside of football I'll do it somewhere else.  I don't think anyone here doesn't feel compassion for the people who live there.  There's no bad intent.

Just bad judgment.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

It's amazing that during times of crisis, the first thing people build are pedestals so they can jump on them and judge what other people say and think. 
People who aren't happy about the decision INCLUDE the teams, their staff and their players. You don't know more than they do. The Buccaneers and Dolphins aren't heartless people, and they have plenty of perspective. They LIVE in Florida. So it's okay to not like the decision. 

Stop lecturing people on fantasy football forums and go help someone. 

 

[Widbil83]

I have Winston with no backup! There's nobody on my bench that I want to cut for a backup QB! Should I cut my kicker (Boswell) and play without one? My opponent has Diggs and Dalvin Cook! Should I pick up Bradford so it washes the Diggs/Cooks play??

$50 side bet was established before Irma developed!

Be thankful you can do something with Wintston, in my league we aren't running waivers until after week 1 so I have to get a goose egg.  

 

[Arodin]

Be thankful you can do something with Wintston, in my league we aren't running waivers until after week 1 so I have to get a goose egg.  

Unlike the "I want my future points in the present week" crowd, I'd say you actually have a case for commissioner intervention there.  It's not as if any league drafting more than a week ago had any idea about this game being cancelled.  They drafted players to play the schedule as they knew it to be.  If this was one of my leagues (and for some reason we didn't normally run preseason waivers) I'd schedule a quick waiver run anyway.

But...what happens in this league if someone gets hurt before kickoff?  Would you have to take a goose egg if Winston was ruled out after a fluke collision in Friday practice?  If so...tough ruleset.  But maybe hurricane delays are no different, in FF impact?

 

[Mavis]

Well started this thread a week ago today, warning the NFL to be prepared, which they were not. I also said they may want to get planning on Tampa for week 2.

Tampa is about to be destroyed and there is going to be a game there in less than a week? Tampa will not be able to play in Florida a week from today.

So what do they do? The NFL has already shown its hard to move a game in a week. NFL should already have a plan, interesting to see what they do.

 

[DocHolliday]

Well started this thread a week ago today, warning the NFL to be prepared, which they were not. I also said they may want to get planning on Tampa for week 2.

Tampa is about to be destroyed and there is going to be a game there in less than a week? Tampa will not be able to play in Florida a week from today, book it!

So what do they do? The NFL has already shown its hard to move a game in a week. NFL should already have a plan, interesting to see what they do.

The NFL does not plan.  This will be another cluster.   

 

[Mavis]

The NFL does not plan.  This will be another cluster.   

Thats the assumption, but after what Katrina did to the Superdomes top from direct wind, not even the flooding, and they even cancelled the game all be it preseason in Houston. The only assumption here is that RJS and the type of stadium it is, is about to take a beat down...they are getting the eye, am I mistaken? Looks liek they are getting what Miami was going to get.

I hope the teams were smart enough to transport equipment in case they cant come back. Miami already cancelled their college game for next week.