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Hype Train has Fallen off the Tracks - Kenbrell Thompkins (1 Viewer)
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Honestly, I thought he showed more than enough potential to have a roster spot.
For a UDFA rookie, I thought he actually exceeded expectations last year. Reasonable expectations that is, as opposed to the August kool aid guzzling SP kind. He belongs on an NFL roster IMO.
Boston
Footballguy
I'm guessing Brady doesn't fully trust him right now...that is always the #1 factor to being successful with the Pats...also, while Thompkins showed a lot of upside for an undrafted free agent he had far too many passes that he either dropped or if he caught it it wasn't clean and there was a juggle to it...both he and Boyce (depending on what they do this offseason) have a chance for an expanded role or to get cut...obviously any more legit additions in free agency or the draft would be a very bad sign for both of them (although Dobson's injury status is a factor as well)...Honestly, I thought he showed more than enough potential to have a roster spot.
Yeah. It seemed clear he got on Brady's bad side during the first couple of games. Which isn't very fair because KT was an undrafted rookie starting and Brady's throws were pretty pitiful to start the season.I'm guessing Brady doesn't fully trust him right now...that is always the #1 factor to being successful with the Pats...also, while Thompkins showed a lot of upside for an undrafted free agent he had far too many passes that he either dropped or if he caught it it wasn't clean and there was a juggle to it...both he and Boyce (depending on what they do this offseason) have a chance for an expanded role or to get cut...obviously any more legit additions in free agency or the draft would be a very bad sign for both of them (although Dobson's injury status is a factor as well)...Honestly, I thought he showed more than enough potential to have a roster spot.
May be best if he does get cut and a WR hungry team like the Panthers picks him up.
Slater is somewhat extra, a BB toy that can play safety and special teams.
He showed too much to give up on him this quick. Most rookie WRs struggle, he did in a very typical way. He was so impressive in camp, he got more and more work in. They're pretty well invested in him now. Boyce was a guy last summer that (typical for a rook) had to appreciate the little time he got and try to make the most of it. Injuries didn't really give him a lot of action and the opportunity should have been there if they believed in him.
Year two is year two. Surely BB favors as much competition as he can get from his players. Boyce could be oh so ready and KT could still struggle. This has to play out.
I like them both.
My reaction since they got LaFell has been why?
I still think trading Amendola should be an option even if the Pats don't seem to entertain that notion.
They put a lot of time in Edelman and many of us were shocked by how large his production was last year. Although their struggles might be similar-For me, it feels like Amendola flopped with the predictable injuries while each of the rooks struggles were part of the learning process.
He showed too much to give up on him this quick. Most rookie WRs struggle, he did in a very typical way. He was so impressive in camp, he got more and more work in. They're pretty well invested in him now. Boyce was a guy last summer that (typical for a rook) had to appreciate the little time he got and try to make the most of it. Injuries didn't really give him a lot of action and the opportunity should have been there if they believed in him.
Year two is year two. Surely BB favors as much competition as he can get from his players. Boyce could be oh so ready and KT could still struggle. This has to play out.
I like them both.
My reaction since they got LaFell has been why?
I still think trading Amendola should be an option even if the Pats don't seem to entertain that notion.
They put a lot of time in Edelman and many of us were shocked by how large his production was last year. Although their struggles might be similar-For me, it feels like Amendola flopped with the predictable injuries while each of the rooks struggles were part of the learning process.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Slater is one of the best ST players in the league, so not strictly a WR, he is one of the few on the roster with more than 1 year of experience on the team.
Last year made it abundantly clear, needed depth.
On the field struggles sure, but all three lost significant play time due to injuries themselves.
The roster limit pretty much means they can't have any more depth than what they had last year. He'd have to bump someone.
I've noticed he's playing an Aaron TE/slot type role so maybe they're creating a spot for him that still works for the overall roster limit.
captain_amazing
Footballguy
I think he does bump someone. IMO, either Boyce or KT will be the odd man out. While KT has impressed writer at minicamp, he did the same last year, and was very inconsistent throughout the year (and practically nonexistent by the end). Unless Boyce struggles significantly in camp, I think KT will end up getting cut, given that we really haven't seen what Boyce can do, and have had a sample (admittedly very small) of KT.Of course, so much could change from now until the season that making these kinds of predictions really are futile.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Edelman: 175 Targets, 121 catches
Amendola: 89 Targets, 57 catches
Dobson: 75 Targets, 39 catches
Thompkins: 72 Targets, 32 catches
Gronkowski: 66 Targets, 39 catches
Hoomanawanui: 23 Targets, 15 catches
Boyce: 19 Targets, 9 catches
Collie: 18 Targets, 11 catches
Slater: 1 Target, 0 catches
Slater is a special teams player, Boyce is likely going to be a special teams player, that leaves Edelman, Amendola, Dobson, Thompkins, Lafell and rookie Gallon (also likely a ST player). As well as adding FAs Reese Wiggins, Wilson Van Hooser, Jeremy Johnson.
I don't expect to see any of the FAs make the roster, leaving the Pats with 8 WRs, Gallon and Boyce imo are the least likely of those 8 to make the final cut, but it would be as a ST player either way.
Amendola: 89 Targets, 57 catches
Dobson: 75 Targets, 39 catches
Thompkins: 72 Targets, 32 catches
Gronkowski: 66 Targets, 39 catches
Hoomanawanui: 23 Targets, 15 catches
Boyce: 19 Targets, 9 catches
Collie: 18 Targets, 11 catches
Slater: 1 Target, 0 catches
Slater is a special teams player, Boyce is likely going to be a special teams player, that leaves Edelman, Amendola, Dobson, Thompkins, Lafell and rookie Gallon (also likely a ST player). As well as adding FAs Reese Wiggins, Wilson Van Hooser, Jeremy Johnson.
I don't expect to see any of the FAs make the roster, leaving the Pats with 8 WRs, Gallon and Boyce imo are the least likely of those 8 to make the final cut, but it would be as a ST player either way.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Kenbrell Thompkins - WR - Patriots
ESPN Boston believes if the season started today, Kenbrell Thompkins would be a starting receiver for the Patriots.
Part of it has to do with Aaron Dobson (foot) not being healthy, but Thompkins made a strong impression this spring and would occupy the X receiver spot opposite Julian Edelman if it was Week 1. Dobson is expected to be ready for the first day of camp. He remains the favorite to start the opener, but Thompkins appears to have a firm grip on a roster spot at the moment.
Source: ESPN Boston
Jun 27 - 9:56 AM
ESPN Boston believes if the season started today, Kenbrell Thompkins would be a starting receiver for the Patriots.
Part of it has to do with Aaron Dobson (foot) not being healthy, but Thompkins made a strong impression this spring and would occupy the X receiver spot opposite Julian Edelman if it was Week 1. Dobson is expected to be ready for the first day of camp. He remains the favorite to start the opener, but Thompkins appears to have a firm grip on a roster spot at the moment.
Source: ESPN Boston
Jun 27 - 9:56 AM
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
What a mess... I'm holding. It was clear to me after these young guys had several drops last year Brady did not fully trust them yet. I don't like Lafell and feel like someone else did on this thread: why? Gallon is a slot clone of what they saw in Edelman, Amendola and Welker. I think whoever gets left off the team won't be without a job long.
Edit to add: it's such a mess I don't trust Edelman not to lose out to Amendola. I like most of the Pats WRs but I trust none of them.
Edit to add: it's such a mess I don't trust Edelman not to lose out to Amendola. I like most of the Pats WRs but I trust none of them.
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I never got off, as I really liked the ability (albeit raw) I saw in Thompkins, but you have to remember that Dropson was out of the lineup. I'm pretty sure Thompkins is still behind him.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Thompkins looks appealing right now. He appears to be continuing his evolution and may have put behavioral issues behind him. I've got him rostered in 3 dynasty leagues from last summer. I don't quite understand giving up on a WR in a prolific pass O who has shown a penchant for getting open, especially when he's only got 1 year under his belt. Not expecting WR1 numbers, but he looks to be very solid depth.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I'm almost back on the train... He's a free agent in my league. I be got Gordon 
and if his suspension is 16 games I'm giving Thompkins another shot
and if his suspension is 16 games I'm giving Thompkins another shot 
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
I'm stuck with him too in a contract league.
Hope for a big game. Then hope for a second. Then hope for a buyer.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
He's seriously ahead of Amendola on the depth chart?!
This confuses me as well. I was no Amendola fan last year - pretty much wrote him off as DND due to his ADP - but I felt like he proved himself when he was healthy. I was/am pretty sure that, when healthy, he's the best WR on that team. Edelman just appeared to be a guy getting a lot of short targets. I've been shocked at how high he's going. Maybe I'm wrong, but Edelman had JAG written all over him last year. But only healthy JAG + Brady = cumulative production. I did not expect him to maintain his role going into week 1.
The Pats base set is 3 WRs. I would expect Amendola and Thompkins to see similar snap numbers, until such time as Amendola gets hurt or Dobson gets healthy.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Thompkins seems to have a knack for getting significant separation. There's a lot to like about a guy who can make a small window wider.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Is Dobson the starter for the foreseeable future?
Run It Up
Footballguy
If KT isn't playing, Dobson will be the outside receiver opposite of Edelman. In three wide sets Amendola comes in, its hard to say if Dobson stays on the field in those instances.
Expect Tim Wrights role to expand with Thompkins inactive and Lafell looking like hot garbage. KT and Dobson will compete with each other as long as they are both on the roster, unless they get tired of Dobson's stonehands.
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NREC34
Footballguy
Wow---I hope you are not advocating that Thompkins is a better prospect. He's not a rookie any more and I expect his amount of drops to decrease by a lot.
captain_amazing
Footballguy
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Run It Up
Footballguy
Historically, they both have had bad hands, not sure why KT is inactive atm. KT played well during the preseason, and looked great in joint practices. Dobson played okay PWK4, catching 3 of 9, 5 of those drops hit him in the hands and one was an easy TD.
Point is, KT has looked improved since last season and what little we've seen of Dobson hasn't been much improved if at all. Tonight is his chance to show us hes better.
I don't like the offense with Amendola and Edelman on the field. They're too similar it looks "off." Put someone in that'll go deep or leap for balls or....whatever. I can totally see how methodically Brady can go up N down the field with passes to the sure handed quick guys, but it still seems "off."
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Does somebody pick him up? Is it crazy to think this may help KT's value?
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Very surprising move. Brady said in the preseason there's not a receiver he trusted more than KT. I doubt he clears waivers.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
It's a good question. Dobson and Tyms coming off suspension both inactive, Thompkins cut. Who do the Patriots have that can take the lid off the defense? Lafell? That's it?
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flapgreen
Footballguy
That's what I'm saying. Who else is there? Taking targets away from Brady. Bill has Alzheimer's
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I know the Vikings won't claim him. They rather keep a also-ran backup QB than a young wide receiver with future potential.
I don't understand what happened with this guy, seriously. I've made sense of 10k moves in the last 20-30 years and much of what the Pats have done with him has seemed illogical.
I see the previous blaming McDaniels, I would go with their WR coach. What BB did feed the public and what we did see was definitely "something to work with" so ....why is he cut now?
He had success against the 1s in preseason and a little during regular season games. Enough writeups about his talent or ability...again, definitely something to work with and it's just plain odd.
I see the previous blaming McDaniels, I would go with their WR coach. What BB did feed the public and what we did see was definitely "something to work with" so ....why is he cut now?
He had success against the 1s in preseason and a little during regular season games. Enough writeups about his talent or ability...again, definitely something to work with and it's just plain odd.
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