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Hype Train has Fallen off the Tracks - Kenbrell Thompkins (1 Viewer)
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I wouldn't drop him yet. The kid is an undrafted rookie playing with one of the best QB's around. I drafted him in 3 leagues as a 4th or 5th wideout like most everyone else did. If you drafted him any higher and expected the second coming of Randy Moss then thats just foolish. So why not leave him on the bench and let it play out for a few weeks? These are the kind of picks I love. If he pans out you did good, if not move on.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
That's just silly. That offense easily supports 3 pass options. Amendola/Edelman/Gronk will be those options. Vareen being out for over half the season pretty much kills his value.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Edelman is not Amendola's "replacement"...
In week 1, Amendola played 56 offensive snaps. Edelman played 81. They were on the field together constantly.
Amendola wasn't right especially late. There are positions and there are patterns. In 4 WR sets, theyll be on the field together. When Gronk is back, there will be less 4WR sets. Even in this offense, there are only so many 'slot patterns' to go around.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
He's close to irrelevance in redraft IMO, but he could stop thinking and start doing and be somebody in a year or two. He runs the routes and can make the catch (occasionally) but he does nothing beyond that. Every time he catches the ball he's falling down or running out of bounds it seems. I think he's over-thinking things and once he moves beyond that he can put up decent numbers. He's no star in that offense but he can be productive. Redraft I'd move on, dynasty I'd try to buy... cheap.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Considering the other thread is locked, I guess so. Why was the other thread even locked in the first place?? No clue. I can only guess its because RN made the most liked post in the history of FBGs
Run It Up
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
21 targets, 6 receptions
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He and Dobson looked like they have never practiced or played with Brady before and were signed before the games.
Boyce has (about) been deemed not an option in the passing game so FF folks need to drink that in and reconsider him on their roster. I still suppose he's worth the wait if you can afford to be patient.
Still love Quentin Sims who was cut and signed to PS a few times. He made some excellent catches and adjustments on poorly thrown Tebow passes and the way brady has been throwing, it made me think about Sims yet again. Like Sims, Sudfeld is big with a long reach and made some one-handed grabs in camp that caught the attention of reporters. I'm starting to wonder how many bad passes in camp were saved by the receivers and masked a prob with brady. He has not looked like good ol Tom yet this year.
Boyce has (about) been deemed not an option in the passing game so FF folks need to drink that in and reconsider him on their roster. I still suppose he's worth the wait if you can afford to be patient.
Still love Quentin Sims who was cut and signed to PS a few times. He made some excellent catches and adjustments on poorly thrown Tebow passes and the way brady has been throwing, it made me think about Sims yet again. Like Sims, Sudfeld is big with a long reach and made some one-handed grabs in camp that caught the attention of reporters. I'm starting to wonder how many bad passes in camp were saved by the receivers and masked a prob with brady. He has not looked like good ol Tom yet this year.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
When the wall hits, it just hits. There usually is no sign of it coming. We might be seeing the end of the line for Brady here. I don't know because he's a great competitor and knows the games so well but everyone gets old. No stopping it otherwise Favre would still be playing.
Unless the Pats sign a different option, they don't really have a lot of choices here. We saw the rapport between he and Brady in preseason, until they sign someone they have to get those two fixed up in practice. In another situation a team could move forward and sub someone else in, but that's not really an option here. During the game, when Brady is frustrated, I could totally see switching KT to some depth WR spot. After the game when cooler heads are thinking, they had something special just a few weeks ago that went on for the whole offseason. With no practices since before game one, they have to put some effort into getting them back on the same page.
I don't think you drop him in FF. Every starter is gone in each league I'm in and if there's an injury we all jump at the new starting WR like a traditional FF routine. I totally understand the notion that Gronk and Edelman will get 10,000 receptions this year. Someone else will be out there though so I think you just bench him for FF, not completely drop him.
I don't think you drop him in FF. Every starter is gone in each league I'm in and if there's an injury we all jump at the new starting WR like a traditional FF routine. I totally understand the notion that Gronk and Edelman will get 10,000 receptions this year. Someone else will be out there though so I think you just bench him for FF, not completely drop him.
Yeah, Brady has looked quite poor these two games. It would be silly to cut KT, he has shown some promising flashes. Frustrating how close he has been to getting a couple TDs. I can't see myself starting him for a while though.
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
I only have him as like a #6 or #7 WR in a few dynasty leagues, so I don't think I'm overly bias, but just seems way to early to write him off. As previously mentioned, Brady hasn't been his best the last 2 games. He almost made a fantastic TD catch last night. The opportunities are there. If his work ethic is as good as reported during camps, he should get better. Don't want him in my lineups, but a definite hold or buy low in dynasty leagues.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
For anyone who didn't see the game - They brought Dobson in over him in the 4th quarter... To me that means there is a strong shot Dobson gets the week 3 start and now he gets his shot even though he hasn't been impressive. Doesn't take much to top the underwhelming Thompkins.
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
take away Dobson's wide open catch (blow coverage?) for the TD and he looked like a heaping steaming pile of dung. Lost count on the number of drops Dobson had...
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I agree they both look awful, but the coaches clearly liked him better.... Why else would he be the guy in 2 WR sets in the 4th quarter - There is no answer outside of the staff liking how he played better.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
All this and Boyce didn't even play did he? Not sure he could have done worse. I think one of the problems might be the complexity of the playbook judging from Brady going nuts all night. Tough for kids to come in and just play I think. This team needs Gronk back badly. I fear as a Gronk owner that they play him before he's truly ready and exacerbate the injury even worse to a point where his career is threatened.
This is the most important thing to take away from this. In pre-season, (when Thompkins, and to a lesser degree, Dobson, were looking so good) the Patriots likely weren't utilizing all of their playbook. When they are in game situations now, they seem to be "reading" things differently than Brady (as evidenced by his hissy fits he threw when they weren't where he expected them to be).
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I said it after the Buffalo game but nobody wants to hear it. Everyone wants to just blame the young WRs. That excuse is providing excellent cover for Brady's declining arm strength and lack of accuracy on longer throws. Everything to the sideline is at least a touch off target and stuff downfield is scattershot. Dobson missed some passes deep, but none of them were really well placed balls and some were totally uncatchable.
Abraham
Footballguy
I completely missed that.
I just looked it up and it was on 99 likes. I made it an even 100.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Funny - any idea why the main 20 page thread got locked?
shadyridr
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
In any event, I might hold another week. Good idea, poor execution.
- Wet weather, sloppy game
- Missed TD in end zone, either way you shake it it was still a good attempt and just that close to being a very good line
- Edelman may be every bit as brittle as Danny A
- Dobson didn't exactly blow up
- Gronk may be back next week, that might actually help - I thought the Jets might double Edelman and shut him down; instead it seems they were plenty happy to surrender the 6 yards a pop in favor of shutting down teh deeper stuff
- I didn't see how much Cromartie was on Thompkins really, but that may have been a factor
- Teams still seem to be in some kind of preseason mode - maybe it's because of the new contract, not sure
- He's still getting targets - yes, I believe this is relevant when you see the people around him on the target list
I think the more disturbing thing is that everything was based on NE's offense being historically productive; that assumption may be on shakey ground.
- Wet weather, sloppy game
- Missed TD in end zone, either way you shake it it was still a good attempt and just that close to being a very good line
- Edelman may be every bit as brittle as Danny A
- Dobson didn't exactly blow up
- Gronk may be back next week, that might actually help - I thought the Jets might double Edelman and shut him down; instead it seems they were plenty happy to surrender the 6 yards a pop in favor of shutting down teh deeper stuff
- I didn't see how much Cromartie was on Thompkins really, but that may have been a factor
- Teams still seem to be in some kind of preseason mode - maybe it's because of the new contract, not sure
- He's still getting targets - yes, I believe this is relevant when you see the people around him on the target list
I think the more disturbing thing is that everything was based on NE's offense being historically productive; that assumption may be on shakey ground.
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McGarnicle
Footballguy
He's slipped a couple spots down my bench but no way am I dumping him yet. Mostly because there isn't much attractive out there to take his place, but I do think he will be a serviceable bye week filler by midseason, with solid WR3 upside as he gains more command of his routes and rapport with his QB.
He is right. I have watched a great deal of both games, Brady is making some terrible throws.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
yeap, its over for me
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I'm trying to trade him for Dobson - I won't start either, but I think Dobson has more upside at this point.
Shutout
Footballguy
Also, the PAtriots are a team known for changing their plan week-to-week so, for a rookie, this isn't even a case where they learn the playbook. It is more of a case where they learn the playbook, then start taking pieces out and putting pieces in. I can't speak for most of the other rookies but I know that for Dobson, Marshall doesn't make changes like that so, to be honest, he is probably struggling with the pickup of the weekly game plan.
Shutout
Footballguy
I don't think that is true. Or maybe I should say, I don't think WE (as a group without access to knowledge of gameplans and all-22 tape) can say that as a fact. What looks like a bad throw could easily be that the receivers are not in the right place. Even when the actual throw (the velocity, the placement, etc) looks like a lame duck or something like "what the heck??", it can often be that case because great QBs like Brady are processing the info so fast, they get into a situation where they have literally made this play 1,000 times and they go through the motion but at the last split-second they notice the guy breaks the wrong way or isn't at the "outside" of the hash mark or whatever and so they hesitate or they attempt to take something off of it. It ends up looking like a flying quagmire to us on tv but generally there is a lot more going on and I think we can believe that is the case just by the player reactions. You don't see Brady get that animated when he knows he has missed something.
He is right. I have watched a great deal of both games, Brady is making some terrible throws.
He will slap his helmet. He will go to the bench and immediately dive into the pictures. But last night he was outwardly venting and that strongly suggests that he was just mad because his receiver wasn't where he was supposed to be.
The problem is not Brady. The problem is the literally are playing a very sophisticated offense on the fly with no less than 5 new parts.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
That is one way to look at it, or we can blaim the rookie WRs for runnning bad routes, not having the timing down, not knowing when to look for the ball, not knowing its a back shoulder, etc... I would say that is more then likely instead of blaiming one of the best QBs to ever play.
He is right. I have watched a great deal of both games, Brady is making some terrible throws.
drfeelgood
Footballguy
Thompkins was out there in the 4th quarter. Thompkins was blanketed by Cromartie much of the game, and only had one drop. He didn't play bad. Dobson had three drops, and ran some wrong routes. He certainly did not play better than Thompkins.
werdnoynek
Footballguy
Agreed, we don't know how bad these throws really are unless we know where the WR's needed to be. Considering two untested and seemingly still raw WR's are out there I think this is the more likely issue.That is one way to look at it, or we can blaim the rookie WRs for runnning bad routes, not having the timing down, not knowing when to look for the ball, not knowing its a back shoulder, etc... I would say that is more then likely instead of blaiming one of the best QBs to ever play.
He is right. I have watched a great deal of both games, Brady is making some terrible throws.
cheese
Footballguy
+1 ... long-time Brady backer and own him this year in fantasy. He has played like crap by his standards. Some of these excuses are silly. This stuff isn't chess. A couple times the WRs have run straight by corners on a 9 route and he over or underthrew it. The TD that Thompkins had taken away was a ball that Brady normally lays in there in stride. In this case, he made his WR lay out.
He is right. I have watched a great deal of both games, Brady is making some terrible throws.
I think he is better at firing the ball between the numbers and that is why his slot/TE guys get some many receptions. With no real TE, they're trying to push things outside more and he just isn't that good at it IMO.
Jojo the circus boy
Footballguy
Not sure why people are saying Brady was off his game, Edelman managed to snag 72% of the 18 balls thrown to him, it seems more likely that the rookies were not running crisp routes, heard footsteps or had butterfingers.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I can't believe that faced with the choice that an UDFA isn't nearly as good as he was being hyped or that a HOF QB has lost it in the span of two games people are throwing Brady under the bus.
ISUDESTROYERS
Footballguy
I'm a Thomkins owner and was thinking about this question: Anybody concerned that Thompkins is more than likely going to have the opposing teams #1 Corner covering EVERY SINGLE GAME?
Thoughts/Opinions?
Thoughts/Opinions?
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cheese
Footballguy
cheese
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It could still happen, it almost did last night. But, the reality is he's hurt by Danny A & Vereen being out and having to share the field with just Edelman drawing away coverage is not a good situation.
The situation is different than anticipated.
The situation is different than anticipated.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
You're not reading what people are saying. Yeah, Brady is hitting his 5-10 yard quick passes to guys like Amendola, Vereen and Edelman. That's not being disputed. I expect him to keep making those throws a ton and have no problems.
But when he has to drive the ball across or down the field, he is really struggling. This goes back to the second half of last year too. He can hit the bigger plays inside the hash marks to his TEs, but he can't hit deep posts or sideline fly routes very well. Brady is primarily a dink and dunker now.
At this point he is a lottery ticket, with the added drawback of 3 tickets owned by BB and Brady. You never really know who is going to be the right choice for any given week. The preseason performance by Thompkins is worthless now and the first of the 3 two click with Brady will become a future HoF WR, while the other might have to look for new employment.
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