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jeter23

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1.01 1. EastBayFunk Peterson, Adrian MIN RB ®

1.02 2. Patoons Johnson, Calvin DET WR ®

1.03 3. Ninerfan Lynch, Marshawn BUF RB ®

1.04 4. SofaKings Bush, Michael OAK RB ®

1.05 5. The Brown Dog Henry, Chris TEN RB ®

1.06 6. Bucketheads Jackson, Brandon GBP RB ®

1.07 7. HTF Meachem, Robert NOS WR ®

1.08 8. Louisville Llamas Russell, JaMarcus OAK QB ®

1.09 9. radballs Irons, Kenny CIN RB ®

1.10 10. The Brown Dog Gonzalez, Anthony IND WR ®

1.11 11. Pimpin Ain't Easy Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR ®

1.12 12. Patoons Jarrett, Dwayne CAR WR ®

2.01 13. EastBayFunk Rice, Sidney MIN WR ®

2.02 14. Bucketheads Booker, Lorenzo MIA RB ®

2.03 15. Ninerfan Ginn Jr., Ted MIA WR ®

2.04 16. SofaKings Quinn, Brady CLE QB ®

2.05 17. The Brown Dog Olsen, Greg CHI TE ®

2.06 18. HTF Smith, Steve NYG WR ®

2.07 19. Patoons Davis, Craig SDC WR ®

2.08 20. Louisville Llamas Hill, Jason SFO WR ®

2.09 21. radballs Leonard, Brian STL RB ®

2.10 22. Family Matters Miller, Zach OAK TE ®

2.11 23. Coolest Nerds on the Planet Higgins, Johnnie Lee OAK WR ®

2.12 24. Bucketheads Pittman, Antonio NOS RB ®

3.01 25. EastBayFunk Robinson, Laurent ATL WR ®

3.02 26. The Brown Dog Beck, John MIA QB ®

3.03 27. Ninerfan Jones, Jacoby HOU WR ®

3.04 28. SofaKings Stanton, Drew DET QB ®

3.05 29. The Brown Dog Hunt, Tony PHI RB ®

3.06 30. Ninerfan Kolb, Kevin PHI QB ®

3.07 31. Coolest Nerds on the Planet Williams, Paul TEN WR ®

3.08 32. Louisville Llamas Devin Hester CHI WR

3.09 33. radballs Wolfe, Garrett CHI RB ®

3.10 34. HTF Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB ®

3.11 35. Patoons Wright, Dwayne BUF RB ®

3.12 36. Bucketheads Smith, Kolby KCC RB ®

4.01 37. Patoons Robinson, Michael SFO RB

4.02 38. Patoons Walker, Mike JAC WR ®

 
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1.01 1. Money Moves Peterson, Adrian MIN RB ®

1.02 2. Ministry of Pain Johnson, Calvin DET WR ®

1.03 3. ConstruxBoy Lynch, Marshawn BUF RB ®

1.04 4. Peens Jackson, Brandon GBP RB ®

1.05 5. Tenacious D Meachem, Robert NOS WR ®

1.06 6. ConstruxBoy Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR ®

1.07 7. Fly Igglz Fly Rice, Sidney MIN WR ®

1.08 8. Tenacious D Bush, Michael OAK RB ®

1.09 9. Fly Igglz Fly Booker, Lorenzo MIA RB ®

1.10 10. JohnnyU Gonzalez, Anthony IND WR ®

1.11 11. JohnnyU Russell, JaMarcus OAK QB ®

1.12 12. Student Bodies Jarrett, Dwayne CAR WR ®

2.01 13. Money Moves Ginn Jr., Ted MIA WR ®

2.02 14. Student Bodies Quinn, Brady CLE QB ®

2.03 15. Student Bodies Irons, Kenny CIN RB ®

2.04 16. Student Bodies Davis, Craig SDC WR ®

2.05 17. wannabee Henry, Chris TEN RB ®

2.06 18. JohnnyU Hill, Jason SFO WR ®

2.07 19. JohnnyU Smith, Steve NYG WR ®

2.08 20. wannabee Olsen, Greg CHI TE ®

2.09 21. Fighting Couch Potatoes Stanton, Drew DET QB ®

2.10 22. Fly Igglz Fly Leonard, Brian STL RB ®

2.11 23. Tenacious D Pittman, Antonio NOS RB ®

2.12 24. Money Moves Beck, John MIA QB ®

3.01 25. Tenacious D Hunt, Tony PHI RB ®

3.02 26. wannabee Jones, Jacoby HOU WR ®

3.03 27. ConstruxBoy Wright, Dwayne BUF RB ®

3.04 28. Student Bodies Higgins, Johnnie Lee OAK WR ®

3.05 29. Fly Igglz Fly Kolb, Kevin PHI QB ®

3.06 30. Ministry of Pain Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB ®

3.07 31. Fly Igglz Fly Allison, Aundrae MIN WR ®

3.08 32. Peens Wolfe, Garrett CHI RB ®

3.09 33. Screaming Beagles Hicks, Maurice SFO RB

3.10 34. Hawkeyeskin Baskett, Hank PHI WR

3.11 35. Fly Igglz Fly Hairston, Justise NEP RB ®

3.12 36. Money Moves Williams, Paul TEN WR ®

4.01 37. Money Moves Smith, Troy BAL QB ®

4.02 38. Ministry of Pain Wynn, DeShawn GBP RB ®

4.03 39. ConstruxBoy Edwards, Trent BUF QB ®

4.04 40. ConstruxBoy Robinson, Laurent ATL WR ®

4.05 41. Fly Igglz Fly Darby, Kenneth TBB RB ®

4.06 42. Ministry of Pain Washington, Nate PIT WR

4.07 43. Fighting Couch Potatoes Miller, Zach OAK TE ®

4.08 44. Fighting Couch Potatoes Walker, Mike JAC WR ®

4.09 45. Screaming Beagles Hanson, Jason DET PK

4.10 46. Money Moves Hester, Devin CHI WR

4.11 47. Peens Smith, Kolby KCC RB ®

4.12 48. JohnnyU Clayton, Thomas SFO RB ®

 
It should be noted that Rounds 3 and 4 allowed drafters to pick veterans, but rookies were available in every round (and mandatory in 1 and 2).

 
jeter23 said:
1.01 1. EastBayFunk Peterson, Adrian MIN RB ® 2.01 13. EastBayFunk Rice, Sidney MIN WR ® 3.01 25. EastBayFunk Robinson, Laurent ATL WR ® 4.01 - Traded for 2008 3rd
Somewhat ashamed to have the 1.01, but I like the results. :goodposting: I might regret passing on Calvin Johnson for Peterson. I think Johnson is the better player, but a good RB is worth 20-30% more than a good WR in this format, IMO. Wanted Jarrett at 2.01, but can't complain about Rice. I also considered Brady Quinn and Greg Olsen, but I didn't really see them making meaningful contributions to my team anytime soon and the upside of a good WR is greater than the upside of a good QB/TE. I'm grabbing Robinson in all my drafts. He's not a sure thing, but I think he was probably the best player available at 3.01.
 
jeter23 said:
HYPER1.06 6. Bucketheads Jackson, Brandon GBP RB ® 2.02 14. Bucketheads Booker, Lorenzo MIA RB ® 2.12 24. Bucketheads Pittman, Antonio NOS RB ® 3.12 36. Bucketheads Smith, Kolby KCC RB ®
My team was pretty well balanced coming into the draft and there were a few players I was targeting of course. Based on where my picks were, I was thinking I would add at least 2 WRs and a TE. BJax began to fall, so I traded from 1.7 to 1.6 and gave Galloway. I thought about risking it and hoped he fell one more spot, but my RBs are pretty thin after LT, so I made the move and got Jackson.I also made another draft day trade and got Ronnie Brown/2.2 for DWill/1.11. That made Booker the easy choice at 2.2, although I had a need at TE and Olsen was there.Pittman and Smith were simply BPAs IMO.
 
jeter23 said:
HYPER1.06 6. Bucketheads Jackson, Brandon GBP RB ® 2.02 14. Bucketheads Booker, Lorenzo MIA RB ® 2.12 24. Bucketheads Pittman, Antonio NOS RB ® 3.12 36. Bucketheads Smith, Kolby KCC RB ®
My team was pretty well balanced coming into the draft and there were a few players I was targeting of course. Based on where my picks were, I was thinking I would add at least 2 WRs and a TE. BJax began to fall, so I traded from 1.7 to 1.6 and gave Galloway. I thought about risking it and hoped he fell one more spot, but my RBs are pretty thin after LT, so I made the move and got Jackson.I also made another draft day trade and got Ronnie Brown/2.2 for DWill/1.11. That made Booker the easy choice at 2.2, although I had a need at TE and Olsen was there.Pittman and Smith were simply BPAs IMO.
I guess I can't fault you for the Jackson pick. I don't know if I make that move with Bowe, Rice, Meachem, and Jarrett on the board, but a 2nd round RB with a chance to start is pretty intriguing. Not wild about the other picks. Booker is an interesting guy in PPR, but it's hard for me to imagine him becoming more than a spot starter/RB3 type for FF purposes. I don't think it made sense to take Pittman and Smith. They're longshots to contribute and there were still good WRs, QBs, and TEs on the board when you made those selections.
 
jeter23 said:
1.06 6. ConstruxBoy Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR ®1.07 7. Fly Igglz Fly Rice, Sidney MIN WR ®
Not sure I understand this still. Seems like Rice has a better offensive situation, better QB, and is seemingly the primary offensive weapon on the team. Tavaris can really sling the ball and Rice has a knack of just getting it. Bowe, while he may be equal in talent, steps into a situation with uncertainty at QB, diminishing pass protection and two better options. Also, Tavaris really keys on to a receiver as evidenced during his 3 game stretch last season where Travis Taylor caught 5 balls, 6 balls and was targeted 6 times in the third game. If Rice becomes the heir to 6+ targets a game, fantasy owners will rejoice.
1.10 10. JohnnyU Gonzalez, Anthony IND WR ® 1.11 11. JohnnyU Russell, JaMarcus OAK QB ® 1.12 12. Student Bodies Jarrett, Dwayne CAR WR ®
Really a fan of these picks. All land in a prime location and should see substantial targets within a few years. Jarrett offers the most immediate value and benefits due to defenses keying on Steve Smith and on the up-and-coming running game. But Gonzalez really can step into a fine situation if he is up to the challenge. Russell should benefit as well from a young group of very talented Raiders receivers who can finally take advantage of their situation with decent Quarterback play.
2.04 16. Student Bodies Davis, Craig SDC WR ® 2.06 18. JohnnyU Hill, Jason SFO WR ® 2.07 19. JohnnyU Smith, Steve NYG WR ® 2.08 20. wannabee Olsen, Greg CHI TE ®
Call me optimistic but I really like how the receivers fell into good positions. IMHO, the above three receivers fell into nearly ideal situations and should in turn help the growth of their QB's. Furthermore, Olsen is the perfect safety valve for a fidgety Grossman. All spell fantasy success.
2.09 21. Fighting Couch Potatoes Stanton, Drew DET QB ®2.12 24. Money Moves Beck, John MIA QB ®
SOD's will be evident in a few years.
3.04 28. Student Bodies Higgins, Johnnie Lee OAK WR ® 3.05 29. Fly Igglz Fly Kolb, Kevin PHI QB ® 3.06 30. Ministry of Pain Bradshaw, Ahmad NYG RB ® 3.07 31. Fly Igglz Fly Allison, Aundrae MIN WR ®
All step into nice situations and will be integral cogs to their teams success. Allison and Higgins go to teams with young receivers and chances to be the #1, Bradshaw has the ideal skillset to tandem with Jacobs and Kolb, while he has some waiting to do, keeps solace in the fact that he steps into a very accommodating and potent offense.
4.02 38. Ministry of Pain Wynn, DeShawn GBP RB ®
:lmao:
4.04 40. ConstruxBoy Robinson, Laurent ATL WR ® 4.07 43. Fighting Couch Potatoes Miller, Zach OAK TE ® 4.08 44. Fighting Couch Potatoes Walker, Mike JAC WR ®
Again, really big fan of the receivers this season. Robinson has a chance to step in as the #3 but can elevate to the #2 spot very easily. Same with Walker. Both are in positions of relative fantasy insignificance (Atlanta and Jacksonville WR's aren't too good with dividends) but if they assume a starting role, they're hard to pass up. Also, as slot receivers, they are on teams whose QB possesses a cannon and are the direct beneficiaries of the long ball. Walker especially. Miller has the benefit of growing and developing a rapport with Russell. Because of his blocking, he becomes invaluable every down. IMHO, he ends up the more valuable fantasy play when the season ends.
 
jeter23 said:
1.06 6. ConstruxBoy Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR ®1.07 7. Fly Igglz Fly Rice, Sidney MIN WR ®
Not sure I understand this still. Seems like Rice has a better offensive situation, better QB, and is seemingly the primary offensive weapon on the team. Tavaris can really sling the ball and Rice has a knack of just getting it. Bowe, while he may be equal in talent, steps into a situation with uncertainty at QB, diminishing pass protection and two better options. Also, Tavaris really keys on to a receiver as evidenced during his 3 game stretch last season where Travis Taylor caught 5 balls, 6 balls and was targeted 6 times in the third game. If Rice becomes the heir to 6+ targets a game, fantasy owners will rejoice.
Nice breakdown overall, but I think between Bowe, Rice and Meachem you can all pick your own preference. There's pluses and minuses to all 3, so I think calling them WR2-4 is reasonable regardless of order.I'm leaning Rice, Bowe, Meachem - but that's a long term perspective. I think Meachem may do the most this year.
 
1. The Brown Dog / Patoons TradeThe Brown Dog gave up Year 2007 Draft Pick 4.02; Year 2008 Round 3 Draft Pick from The Brown Dog Patoons gave up Year 2009 Round 2 Draft Pick from Patoons;Year 2009 Round 3 Draft Pick from Patoons Tue May 15 10:21:04 a.m. ET 2007 2. Patoons / The Brown Dog TradePatoons gave up Vick, Michael ATL QB; Year 2007 Draft Pick 1.05; Year 2008 Round 2 Draft Pick from Patoons;Year 2009 Round 1 Draft Pick from PatoonsThe Brown Dog gave up Year 2007 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2007 Draft Pick 2.11 Sun May 6 1:40:20 p.m. ET 2007 3. Bucketheads / The Brown Dog Trade Bucketheads gave up Year 2007 Draft Pick 4.08;Year 2007 Draft Pick 4.12The Brown Dog gave up Year 2008 Round 4 Draft Pick from The Brown Dog Sat Mar 31 11:07:39 a.m. ET 2007
1.05 5. The Brown Dog Henry, Chris TEN RB ® Sat May 12 9:10:43 p.m. ET 2007 Very tough decision for me. Ask me if I like this pick after my next 2 picks! 1.10 10. The Brown Dog Gonzalez, Anthony IND WR ® Mon May 14 12:15:05 a.m. ET 2007 Who was the last Ind WR drafted in the 1st round? Oh yea, #### tOSU 2.05 17. The Brown Dog Olsen, Greg CHI TE ® Mon May 14 8:55:32 a.m. ET 2007 Meet the next Todd Heap 3.02 26. The Brown Dog Beck, John MIA QB ® Mon May 14 3:37:43 p.m. ET 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 3.05 29. The Brown Dog Hunt, Tony PHI RB ® Mon May 14 10:29:31 p.m. ET 2007 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List 4.08 44. The Brown Dog 4.12 48. The Brown Dog
Player YTD Pts Bye Drafted Beck, John MIA QB ® - 9 3.02 Culpepper, Daunte MIA QB - 9 FA Harrington, Joey ATL QB - 8 FA Vick, Michael ATL QB - 8 FA Bell, Tatum DET RB - 6 FA Brown, Chris TEN RB - 4 FA Henry, Chris TEN RB ® - 4 1.05 Henry, Travis DEN RB - 6 FA Hunt, Tony PHI RB ® - 5 3.05 McGahee, Willis BAL RB - 8 FA Taylor, Chester MIN RB - 5 FA Clayton, Michael TBB WR - 10 FA Gonzalez, Anthony IND WR ® - 6 1.10 Henderson, Devery NOS WR - 4 FA Henry, Chris CIN WR - 5 FA Jackson, Vincent SDC WR - 7 FA McCareins, Justin NYJ WR - 10 FA Walker, Javon DEN WR - 6 FA Washington, Nate PIT WR - 6 FA Olsen, Greg CHI TE ® - 9 2.05 Wilson, Kris KCC TE - 8 FA Winslow, Kellen CLE TE - 7 FA Kaeding, Nate SDC PK - 7 FA Rackers, Neil ARI PK - 8 FA Steelers, Pittsburgh PIT Def - 6 FA Titans, Tennessee TEN Def - 4 FA
 
jeter23 said:
ACTIVE1.07 7. Fly Igglz Fly Rice, Sidney MIN WR ® 1.09 9. Fly Igglz Fly Booker, Lorenzo MIA RB ® 2.10 22. Fly Igglz Fly Leonard, Brian STL RB ® 3.05 29. Fly Igglz Fly Kolb, Kevin PHI QB ® 3.07 31. Fly Igglz Fly Allison, Aundrae MIN WR ® 3.11 35. Fly Igglz Fly Hairston, Justise NEP RB ® 4.05 41. Fly Igglz Fly Darby, Kenneth TBB RB ®
Looks good to me :popcorn:Actually I like having 2 WRs from MIN as at least 1 should pan out. Darby and Hairston are fliers (if/when #1 RB goes down, they get a shot). Leonard and Booker surprise no one. Kolb? I have McNabb.
 
2. Patoons / The Brown Dog TradePatoons gave up Vick, Michael ATL QB; Year 2007 Draft Pick 1.05; Year 2008 Round 2 Draft Pick from Patoons;Year 2009 Round 1 Draft Pick from PatoonsThe Brown Dog gave up Year 2007 Draft Pick 1.02;Year 2007 Draft Pick 2.11
This will be the make or break deal for your team. Assuming that the 2nd round picks more or less cancel out, you wind up with the following:Calvin Johnson (1.02)forMichael VickChris Henry (1.05)2009 1st I'm not too big on this deal. Vick was a nice addition for you, but Henry is an enigma. Maybe he becomes a startable back, but I think it's just as likely that he flops. The 2009 1st is a nice piece for the future, but it's two years out and the guy who owns it probably has the most stacked team in the league (VY, Maroney, S. Jackson, Westbrook, Holt, Chad J., Calvin J., Jarrett). You'll probably look back on this trade as either a great move or a complete disaster. It really hinges on Henry.
 
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HYPER1.06 6. Bucketheads Jackson, Brandon GBP RB ® 2.02 14. Bucketheads Booker, Lorenzo MIA RB ® 2.12 24. Bucketheads Pittman, Antonio NOS RB ® 3.12 36. Bucketheads Smith, Kolby KCC RB ®
My team was pretty well balanced coming into the draft and there were a few players I was targeting of course. Based on where my picks were, I was thinking I would add at least 2 WRs and a TE. BJax began to fall, so I traded from 1.7 to 1.6 and gave Galloway. I thought about risking it and hoped he fell one more spot, but my RBs are pretty thin after LT, so I made the move and got Jackson.I also made another draft day trade and got Ronnie Brown/2.2 for DWill/1.11. That made Booker the easy choice at 2.2, although I had a need at TE and Olsen was there.Pittman and Smith were simply BPAs IMO.
So in essence you basically traded Morency for Jackson. That's kind of funny.
 
jeter23 said:
HYPER1.06 6. Bucketheads Jackson, Brandon GBP RB ® 2.02 14. Bucketheads Booker, Lorenzo MIA RB ® 2.12 24. Bucketheads Pittman, Antonio NOS RB ® 3.12 36. Bucketheads Smith, Kolby KCC RB ®
My team was pretty well balanced coming into the draft and there were a few players I was targeting of course. Based on where my picks were, I was thinking I would add at least 2 WRs and a TE. BJax began to fall, so I traded from 1.7 to 1.6 and gave Galloway. I thought about risking it and hoped he fell one more spot, but my RBs are pretty thin after LT, so I made the move and got Jackson.I also made another draft day trade and got Ronnie Brown/2.2 for DWill/1.11. That made Booker the easy choice at 2.2, although I had a need at TE and Olsen was there.Pittman and Smith were simply BPAs IMO.
So in essence you basically traded Morency for Jackson. That's kind of funny.
In a way, I guess so. My predraft trade was Morency/Houston/1.12 for 1.7/Demetrius Williams/1.11I had no idea that Jackson would fall like he did and needed the WR help more than I needed Bowe/Meachem/Rice, IMO.My RBs are now LT, Brown, Norwood, Turner, BJackson, Booker, Pittman, KSmith etc.
 
jeter23 said:
1.06 6. ConstruxBoy Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR ®1.07 7. Fly Igglz Fly Rice, Sidney MIN WR ®
Not sure I understand this still. Seems like Rice has a better offensive situation, better QB, and is seemingly the primary offensive weapon on the team. Tavaris can really sling the ball and Rice has a knack of just getting it. Bowe, while he may be equal in talent, steps into a situation with uncertainty at QB, diminishing pass protection and two better options. Also, Tavaris really keys on to a receiver as evidenced during his 3 game stretch last season where Travis Taylor caught 5 balls, 6 balls and was targeted 6 times in the third game. If Rice becomes the heir to 6+ targets a game, fantasy owners will rejoice.
:shrug:I'm not sure that you can call the QB situation better in MIN. Both teams have uncertainty there. As far as better options, Gonzo is slowly diminishing in his role and will continue to do so over the next 3 years. LJ is still a great back, and Herm does like to run, but their WRs are Kennison and nobody and Kennison is over the hill. Bowe is also much more NFL-ready than Rice. He is a big guy who has no fear going over the middle and is an excellent blocker. He'll be on the field more and faster than Rice. I tracked almost 30 different draft rankings this year and only 3 (Bloom, Draft Stock and Draft Daddy) had Rice ahead of Bowe. Some of the ones I most respect, like Tom Casale and Matt Waldman, were pretty down on Rice. I know that Bloom is the guy here, but I think you're drinking way too much of his kool-aid if you take Rice over Bowe.
 
jeter23 said:
ACTIVE1.07 7. Fly Igglz Fly Rice, Sidney MIN WR ® 1.09 9. Fly Igglz Fly Booker, Lorenzo MIA RB ® 2.10 22. Fly Igglz Fly Leonard, Brian STL RB ® 3.05 29. Fly Igglz Fly Kolb, Kevin PHI QB ® 3.07 31. Fly Igglz Fly Allison, Aundrae MIN WR ® 3.11 35. Fly Igglz Fly Hairston, Justise NEP RB ® 4.05 41. Fly Igglz Fly Darby, Kenneth TBB RB ®
Looks good to me :lmao:Actually I like having 2 WRs from MIN as at least 1 should pan out. Darby and Hairston are fliers (if/when #1 RB goes down, they get a shot). Leonard and Booker surprise no one. Kolb? I have McNabb.
Darby was a much better pick than Hairston. :shrug:
 
jeter23 said:
HYPER1.06 6. Bucketheads Jackson, Brandon GBP RB ® 2.02 14. Bucketheads Booker, Lorenzo MIA RB ® 2.12 24. Bucketheads Pittman, Antonio NOS RB ® 3.12 36. Bucketheads Smith, Kolby KCC RB ®
My team was pretty well balanced coming into the draft and there were a few players I was targeting of course. Based on where my picks were, I was thinking I would add at least 2 WRs and a TE. BJax began to fall, so I traded from 1.7 to 1.6 and gave Galloway. I thought about risking it and hoped he fell one more spot, but my RBs are pretty thin after LT, so I made the move and got Jackson.I also made another draft day trade and got Ronnie Brown/2.2 for DWill/1.11. That made Booker the easy choice at 2.2, although I had a need at TE and Olsen was there.Pittman and Smith were simply BPAs IMO.
So in essence you basically traded Morency for Jackson. That's kind of funny.
In a way, I guess so. My predraft trade was Morency/Houston/1.12 for 1.7/Demetrius Williams/1.11I had no idea that Jackson would fall like he did and needed the WR help more than I needed Bowe/Meachem/Rice, IMO.My RBs are now LT, Brown, Norwood, Turner, BJackson, Booker, Pittman, KSmith etc.
As the other end of that trade, I did not think that I would get a RB with the opportunity/talent combination that Morency currently had (made pre-nfl draft). I did not expect a RB run early in this draft. Even after the NFL draft Jackson would have been the only RB I would have taken that early.
 
Here is my off season for masses to throw stones at.

Patoons gave up Driver, Donald GBP WR;Jones, Matt JAC WR;Ward, Hines PIT WR; Year 2007 Draft Pick 2.11Coolest Nerds on the Planet gave up Johnson, Chad CIN WR; Year 2007 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2007 Draft Pick 2.07Comments: and a move up in the late second?
Morency/Houston/1.12 for 1.7/Demetrius Williams/1.11
Draft PicksJ. Higgins 2.11P. Williams 3.07K. walters 4.07---------------------------------Current Starting Line-up QB- Brees (pennington) RB- Duece, Benson (Morency, Dunn, Betts)WR- S. Smith, Driver, Ward (M. Jones, Glenn) TE- McMichael, O. Daniel PK- GouldDef- Eagles
 
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Here is my off season for masses to throw stones at.

Patoons gave up Driver, Donald GBP WR;Jones, Matt JAC WR;Ward, Hines PIT WR; Year 2007 Draft Pick 2.11Coolest Nerds on the Planet gave up Johnson, Chad CIN WR; Year 2007 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2007 Draft Pick 2.07Comments: and a move up in the late second?
I love the trade for you
 
jeter23 said:
ACTIVE1.07 7. Fly Igglz Fly Rice, Sidney MIN WR ® 1.09 9. Fly Igglz Fly Booker, Lorenzo MIA RB ® 2.10 22. Fly Igglz Fly Leonard, Brian STL RB ® 3.05 29. Fly Igglz Fly Kolb, Kevin PHI QB ® 3.07 31. Fly Igglz Fly Allison, Aundrae MIN WR ® 3.11 35. Fly Igglz Fly Hairston, Justise NEP RB ® 4.05 41. Fly Igglz Fly Darby, Kenneth TBB RB ®
Looks good to me :unsure:Actually I like having 2 WRs from MIN as at least 1 should pan out. Darby and Hairston are fliers (if/when #1 RB goes down, they get a shot). Leonard and Booker surprise no one. Kolb? I have McNabb.
Darby was a much better pick than Hairston. :goodposting:I don't have a problem with that assessment since I have both.With 7 rooks, I'm really only hoping for the first 3-4 and maybe 1 of the last 3 pan out. Odds are I don't even get that lucky, but 3 or 4 out of 7 would be very nice.Even if 1-2 are completely "belly up" by August, I'll have taken a shot and can backfill from the waiver wire.
 
jeter23 said:
ACTIVE1.07 7. Fly Igglz Fly Rice, Sidney MIN WR ® 1.09 9. Fly Igglz Fly Booker, Lorenzo MIA RB ® 2.10 22. Fly Igglz Fly Leonard, Brian STL RB ® 3.05 29. Fly Igglz Fly Kolb, Kevin PHI QB ® 3.07 31. Fly Igglz Fly Allison, Aundrae MIN WR ® 3.11 35. Fly Igglz Fly Hairston, Justise NEP RB ® 4.05 41. Fly Igglz Fly Darby, Kenneth TBB RB ®
Looks good to me :headbang:Actually I like having 2 WRs from MIN as at least 1 should pan out. Darby and Hairston are fliers (if/when #1 RB goes down, they get a shot). Leonard and Booker surprise no one. Kolb? I have McNabb.
Darby was a much better pick than Hairston. :headbang:I don't have a problem with that assessment since I have both.With 7 rooks, I'm really only hoping for the first 3-4 and maybe 1 of the last 3 pan out. Odds are I don't even get that lucky, but 3 or 4 out of 7 would be very nice.Even if 1-2 are completely "belly up" by August, I'll have taken a shot and can backfill from the waiver wire.
I like your draft actually. I might have taken Paul Williams or Laurent Robinson at 3.11 instead of Hairston and then taken him at 4.05 over Darby.
 
jeter23 said:
ACTIVE1.07 7. Fly Igglz Fly Rice, Sidney MIN WR ® 1.09 9. Fly Igglz Fly Booker, Lorenzo MIA RB ® 2.10 22. Fly Igglz Fly Leonard, Brian STL RB ® 3.05 29. Fly Igglz Fly Kolb, Kevin PHI QB ® 3.07 31. Fly Igglz Fly Allison, Aundrae MIN WR ® 3.11 35. Fly Igglz Fly Hairston, Justise NEP RB ® 4.05 41. Fly Igglz Fly Darby, Kenneth TBB RB ®
Looks good to me :)Actually I like having 2 WRs from MIN as at least 1 should pan out. Darby and Hairston are fliers (if/when #1 RB goes down, they get a shot). Leonard and Booker surprise no one. Kolb? I have McNabb.
Darby was a much better pick than Hairston. :shrug:I don't have a problem with that assessment since I have both.With 7 rooks, I'm really only hoping for the first 3-4 and maybe 1 of the last 3 pan out. Odds are I don't even get that lucky, but 3 or 4 out of 7 would be very nice.Even if 1-2 are completely "belly up" by August, I'll have taken a shot and can backfill from the waiver wire.
I like your draft actually. I might have taken Paul Williams or Laurent Robinson at 3.11 instead of Hairston and then taken him at 4.05 over Darby.
I was eying Robinson but I think he was snagged right in front of me. Considering ATL / WRs, I wasn't THAT upset. I'm not really sold in Williams either (and TEN). Might be decent players but I question the whole offense in both places.I didn't see much of Fresno State so I can't speak well of Williams aside from his workouts and highlight reel. The situation concerns me. My opinion could certainly change of course after I see him in August.ETA: I also felt RB was a bigger need than WR.
 
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jeter23 said:
1.06 6. ConstruxBoy Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR ®

1.07 7. Fly Igglz Fly Rice, Sidney MIN WR ®
Not sure I understand this still. Seems like Rice has a better offensive situation, better QB, and is seemingly the primary offensive weapon on the team. Tavaris can really sling the ball and Rice has a knack of just

getting it. Bowe, while he may be equal in talent, steps into a situation with uncertainty at QB, diminishing pass protection and two better options. Also, Tavaris really keys on to a receiver as evidenced during his 3 game stretch last season where Travis Taylor caught 5 balls, 6 balls and was targeted 6 times in the third game. If Rice becomes the heir to 6+ targets a game, fantasy owners will rejoice.
:thumbdown: I'm not sure that you can call the QB situation better in MIN. Both teams have uncertainty there. As far as better options, Gonzo is slowly diminishing in his role and will continue to do so over the next 3 years. LJ is still a great back, and Herm does like to run, but their WRs are Kennison and nobody and Kennison is over the hill. Bowe is also much more NFL-ready than Rice. He is a big guy who has no fear going over the middle and is an excellent blocker. He'll be on the field more and faster than Rice.

I tracked almost 30 different draft rankings this year and only 3 (Bloom, Draft Stock and Draft Daddy) had Rice ahead of Bowe. Some of the ones I most respect, like Tom Casale and Matt Waldman, were pretty down on Rice. I know that Bloom is the guy here, but I think you're drinking way too much of his kool-aid if you take Rice over Bowe.
Or perhaps vice-versa. :thumbup: I still don't see it. What other reasons do you have besides Bowe being more NFL ready? I understand he might be a more valuable commodity because he is a better blocker and hence will see more playing time but as for opportunity, I have to say that because Tavaris has a tendency to lock on to a receiver and because no better options exist in Minnesota, Rice is the clear winner in this category. Bowe will have to contend with LJ and Gonzo first before he becomes a viable option. Often times, that's all that is necessary for fantasy production.

Herm also has a rep for the run-first, pass-second offense. In his six year tenure as head coach, his teams (Jets, Chiefs) have ranked no higher than 24th in pass attempts! :tumbleweed: Not a great situation to step into from a fantasy perspective. In the Childress offense, despite the fact that Chester Taylor was overused (IIRC 44% of offensive plays went through him) they managed to rattle off the 9th most pass attempts. 7th most completions. For a team that lost its top 2 receiving options (not including RB's) in Wiggins and Taylor, and whose top remaining receiver is criticized constantly for his terrible hands, in steps Rice. He's a guy known for his great concentration and otherwise good hands.

I'm surprised to hear this is 'off-the-wall' reasoning. Stats seem to be supporting me here.

 
jeter23 said:
1.06 6. ConstruxBoy Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR ®

1.07 7. Fly Igglz Fly Rice, Sidney MIN WR ®
Not sure I understand this still. Seems like Rice has a better offensive situation, better QB, and is seemingly the primary offensive weapon on the team. Tavaris can really sling the ball and Rice has a knack of just

getting it. Bowe, while he may be equal in talent, steps into a situation with uncertainty at QB, diminishing pass protection and two better options. Also, Tavaris really keys on to a receiver as evidenced during his 3 game stretch last season where Travis Taylor caught 5 balls, 6 balls and was targeted 6 times in the third game. If Rice becomes the heir to 6+ targets a game, fantasy owners will rejoice.
:lol: I'm not sure that you can call the QB situation better in MIN. Both teams have uncertainty there. As far as better options, Gonzo is slowly diminishing in his role and will continue to do so over the next 3 years. LJ is still a great back, and Herm does like to run, but their WRs are Kennison and nobody and Kennison is over the hill. Bowe is also much more NFL-ready than Rice. He is a big guy who has no fear going over the middle and is an excellent blocker. He'll be on the field more and faster than Rice.

I tracked almost 30 different draft rankings this year and only 3 (Bloom, Draft Stock and Draft Daddy) had Rice ahead of Bowe. Some of the ones I most respect, like Tom Casale and Matt Waldman, were pretty down on Rice. I know that Bloom is the guy here, but I think you're drinking way too much of his kool-aid if you take Rice over Bowe.
Or perhaps vice-versa. ;) I still don't see it. What other reasons do you have besides Bowe being more NFL ready? I understand he might be a more valuable commodity because he is a better blocker and hence will see more playing time but as for opportunity, I have to say that because Tavaris has a tendency to lock on to a receiver and because no better options exist in Minnesota, Rice is the clear winner in this category. Bowe will have to contend with LJ and Gonzo first before he becomes a viable option. Often times, that's all that is necessary for fantasy production.

Herm also has a rep for the run-first, pass-second offense. In his six year tenure as head coach, his teams (Jets, Chiefs) have ranked no higher than 24th in pass attempts! :goodposting: Not a great situation to step into from a fantasy perspective. In the Childress offense, despite the fact that Chester Taylor was overused (IIRC 44% of offensive plays went through him) they managed to rattle off the 9th most pass attempts. 7th most completions. For a team that lost its top 2 receiving options (not including RB's) in Wiggins and Taylor, and whose top remaining receiver is criticized constantly for his terrible hands, in steps Rice. He's a guy known for his great concentration and otherwise good hands.

I'm surprised to hear this is 'off-the-wall' reasoning. Stats seem to be supporting me here.
Bowe is a better WR than Rice. Not everything can be decided by stats, although it's interesting that you don't use their actual game stats from college in your argument. Rice is raw and has been getting by on athletic ability, not great WR acumen. He has been called immature and a lot of observers that I read said he should have stayed in college to mature. Bowe is a senior on a team that was much more successful. He also had to compete with another excellent WR who was drafted in the first round. Yet he still got his and did a great job blocking for Davis and the the Tiger RBs. As far as Herm, remember this is a Dynasty league. Herm may very well not be there in a couple of years. He also has not seen a first round WR in KC to work with. Coles seemed to do pretty well under him with the Jets.

You seem to be weighing situation greatly over talent/production, as most of your argument has nothing to do with Rice's skills, but with his good situation and Bowe's "poor" situation. That may be the way you draft and build your dynasty teams and that's fine. I tend to be a little but more cautious and like to take the more NFL-ready player who has less risks, even if his immediate opportunity isn't as good. These are Wide Receivers we're talking about and they generally take several years to become viable fantasy starters anyway, so I think it's prudent to be less concerned with the immediate situation than you would with a RB or an IDP.

I am in no way saying that Rice will not be a good WR and he certainly may be better than Bowe at the end of their careers. But I think I have some very good reasons for taking Bowe over Rice and I think that there are a number of people who may agree. I guess we'll see.

 
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Patoons gave up Driver, Donald GBP WR;Jones, Matt JAC WR;Ward, Hines PIT WR; Year 2007 Draft Pick 2.11Coolest Nerds on the Planet gave up Johnson, Chad CIN WR; Year 2007 Draft Pick 1.12;Year 2007 Draft Pick 2.07Comments: and a move up in the late second?
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I think it works out for the both of us.Getting CJ2 and having Holt to go along with Westy, SJax, Maroney - I didn't think it would be useful to have Ward and Driver (and possibly CJ2) swapping in and out of my lineup - CJ is much more valuable to me. Add to that Jarret to get a bit younger I'm happy with the deal.This also gives the Nerds some nice starting WRs on the deal. I paid a handsom price, but it's worth it to get the stud WR and improve my lineup at the expense of depth, which I seemingly replaced in the rookie draft.
 

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