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I am an anti vaxxer (1 Viewer)

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-health-coronavirus-idUSL2N2ND0WS

There is no confirmed record where this individual made the comment about vaxxed individuals developing ADE. 


Perhaps if you and Shonuff hadn't been so quick to attempt to discredit the website (Attack the Messenger!) that Pinkham13 linked for you guys, you'd have found not just a video interview of Montagnier saying exactly the bolded, but also the interview transcript. Here's the transcript and the link again for anyone here who actually has an open mind about stuff and is willing to consider alternative highly informed/experienced medical opinions...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/bombshell-nobel-prize-winner-reveals-covid-vaccine-creating-variants/5746003

If we look at the curve from the WHO, since the vaccinations started in January, the curve showing new infections (contamination) has exploded, along with deaths.

Notably among young people.

—Yes. With thromboses, etc.

How do you view the mass vaccination program? Mass vaccination compared to treatments that work and aren’t expensive.

—It’s an enormous mistake, isn’t it? A scientific error as well as a medical error. It is an unacceptable mistake. The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants.

—For the China virus, there are antibodies, created by the vaccine. What does the virus do? Does it die or find another solution?

—The new variants are a production and result from the vaccination. You see it in each country, it’s the same: the curve of vaccination is followed by the curve of deaths.

—I’m following this closely and I am doing experiments at the Institute with patients who became sick with Corona after being vaccinated. I will show you that they are creating the variants that are resistant to the vaccine.

Should we be vaccinating during a pandemic?

—It’s unthinkable.

—They’re silent… many people know this, epidemiologists know it.

It is the antibodies produced by the virus that enable an infection to become stronger.

It’s what we call Antibody Dependent Enhancement, which means antibodies favor a certain infection. The antibody attaches to the virus, from that moment it has the receptors, the antibodies, we have them in the macrophage etc.

—It pokes the virus and not accidentally, but because of the fact that they’re linked to the antibodies.

—It is clear that the new variants are created by antibody-mediated selection due to the vaccination. OK?

 
He may be...is there a reason there isn't peer reviewed information from the virologist on anything resembling a credible source.  Do you see the issue with a conspiracy site like that pushing this...and nobody else picking it up?  Do you think they may misrepresent things?


Stop trying to paint me as a conspiracy theorist with your #SeaLion questions. #### that website. I don't give two ####s about it. I definitely care what Montagnier has to say about this topic though.

 
Perhaps if you and Shonuff hadn't been so quick to attempt to discredit the website (Attack the Messenger!) that Pinkham13 linked for you guys, you'd have found not just a video interview of Montagnier saying exactly the bolded, but also the interview transcript. Here's the transcript and the link again for anyone here who actually has an open mind about stuff and is willing to consider alternative highly informed/experienced medical opinions...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/bombshell-nobel-prize-winner-reveals-covid-vaccine-creating-variants/5746003
I feel like we are talking over one another to try  to prove our point and missing out on what is being said.  I’ll be better on that on my end. 

He does mention ADE is occurring. 

 
I feel like we are talking over one another to try  to prove our point and missing out on what is being said.  I’ll be better on that on my end. 

He does mention ADE is occurring. 


I appreciate this olive branch, but help me better understand what you meant earlier then, b/c you seem to be implying now that I misunderstood your response, and I'm not sure how I did...

There is no confirmed record where this individual made the comment about vaxxed individuals developing ADE. 

 
Stop trying to paint me as a conspiracy theorist with your #SeaLion questions. #### that website. I don't give two ####s about it. I definitely care what Montagnier has to say about this topic though.
And stop claiming any question is sealioning (again used when you dint like the challenge to what was posted).  Its a conspiracy theory website.  As was the other.  That rely on misinformation and pseudoscience.  Ive provided links showing as much.

Why is what he has to say not peer reviewed it on any legitimate source?  That seems to be a very relevant question.

 
sho nuff said:
And stop claiming any question is sealioning (again used when you dint like the challenge to what was posted).  Its a conspiracy theory website.  As was the other.  That rely on misinformation and pseudoscience.  Ive provided links showing as much.

Why is what he has to say not peer reviewed it on any legitimate source?  That seems to be a very relevant question.


Is Luc Montagnier not a valid professional source for opinion on the matter? Have you considered perhaps that the data for his statements is still incoming and yet to be released? 

Montagnier: I’m following this closely and I am doing experiments at the Institute with patients who became sick with Corona after being vaccinated. I will show you that they are creating the variants that are resistant to the vaccine.

 
Is Luc Montagnier not a valid professional source for opinion on the matter? Have you considered perhaps that the data for his statements is still incoming and yet to be released? 
Sounds like he already made his mind up before he's done the experiments. Not really a good basis for science.

 


I didn't catch until now that the interview was from May. That's a key detail, thanks.

I do still think experts like Montagnier and Dr. Peter McCullough have been weirdly demonized for speaking against the common narratives surrounding Covid policy. Clips of McCullough's long-form interview with Joe Rogan were just banned from YouTube and Twitter. It's nuts how quickly the establishment is suppressing dialogue surrounding these topics, if that dialogue doesn't fit their narratives.

 
I didn't catch until now that the interview was from May. That's a key detail, thanks.

I do still think experts like Montagnier and Dr. Peter McCullough have been weirdly demonized for speaking against the common narratives surrounding Covid policy. Clips of McCullough's long-form interview with Joe Rogan were just banned from YouTube and Twitter. It's nuts how quickly the establishment is suppressing dialogue surrounding these topics, if that dialogue doesn't fit their narratives.
Or that dialogue is full

of dangerous misinformation that does not stand uo to scrutiny.  Which is why its made in the form of youtube videos instead of actual peer reviewed data (like respectable doctors do).

 
 dangerous misinformation


Ugh, there you go with that term again - it's like nails on a chalkboard for me. It's your side's ubiquitous and convenient excuse to suppress any dialogue and ideation that you don't agree with. Sorry, but you lose me every single time one of you uses it.

Simply amazing that comedians are quickly becoming some of the best political scientists around...

Tim Dillon

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You have to defeat bad ideas with good ideas. Censorship is a drug and once it becomes mainstream it will be wielded by both political extremes. How people choose not to see this is beyond me. But the idea of silencing ones enemies is powerful and apparently all consuming.

 
Ugh, there you go with that term again - it's like nails on a chalkboard for me. It's your side's ubiquitous and convenient excuse to suppress any dialogue and ideation that you don't agree with. Sorry, but you lose me every single time one of you uses it.

Simply amazing that comedians are quickly becoming some of the best political scientists around...
No..:it’s because spreading false infomercial  caused unnecessary sickness and death over the last nearly 2 years.  What is nails on a chalkboard to me is dismissing a large consensus of science to listen to someone on YouTube.   Its not that I don’t agree with it…its that peer reviewed science doesn’t agree with it.

That isn’t censorship…its pointing out bad information for what it is.

 
No..:it’s because spreading false infomercial  caused unnecessary sickness and death over the last nearly 2 years.  What is nails on a chalkboard to me is dismissing a large consensus of science to listen to someone on YouTube.   Its not that I don’t agree with it…its that peer reviewed science doesn’t agree with it.

That isn’t censorship…its pointing out bad information for what it is.


That's your opinion. Thanks for sharing. Appreciate your intent, but 1000% disagree with the effect of it. Much more dangerous than 'misinformation' is censorship of ideation and dialogue. That's my opinion.

I am watching the Rogan-McCullough interview on Spotify as I type this and it's brilliant. Terrible, sad and ALARMING that it's being suppressed. Science is never settled. Dialogue is key. Let the people speak and stop shouting from the rooftops when they do with your preconceived generalizations about misinformation - especially considering so many things that were labeled misinformation over the last two years by the mainstream, later turned out to be just... Information.

 
No..:it’s because spreading false infomercial  caused unnecessary sickness and death over the last nearly 2 years.  What is nails on a chalkboard to me is dismissing a large consensus of science to listen to someone on YouTube.   Its not that I don’t agree with it…its that peer reviewed science doesn’t agree with it.

That isn’t censorship…its pointing out bad information for what it is.
According to the department of defense the experimental gene serums caused hospitalizations to double. 60% were fully vaccinated. You need to stop labeling everything you don’t want to hear or believe misinformation.https://renz-law.com/wp-content/uploads/DOD-Doc.pdf

 
That's your opinion. Thanks for sharing. Appreciate your intent, but 1000% disagree with the effect of it. Much more dangerous than 'misinformation' is censorship of ideation and dialogue. That's my opinion.

I am watching the Rogan-McCullough interview on Spotify as I type this and it's brilliant. Terrible, sad and ALARMING that it's being suppressed. Science is never settled. Dialogue is key. Let the people speak and stop shouting from the rooftops when they do with your preconceived generalizations about misinformation - especially considering so many things that were labeled misinformation over the last two years by the mainstream, later turned out to be just... Information.
Fitz did you see this one? These shots are deadlyhttps://renz-law.com/wp-content/uploads/DOD-Doc.pdf 

Department of defense research shows hospitalizations doubled after the clot shots. The shots are the problem. Nuremberg 2.0

 
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According to the department of defense the experimental gene serums caused hospitalizations to double. 60% were fully vaccinated. You need to stop labeling everything you don’t want to hear or believe misinformation.https://renz-law.com/wp-content/uploads/DOD-Doc.pdf
From page 7 of the PDF:

As Delta variant surged to over 50% in June, COVID 19 hospitalizations more than doubled, reversing the prior trend of decreasing hospitalizations since April.
Caused by Delta, not vaccinations.

In this 80% vaccinated 65+ population, an estimated 60% of COVID 19 hospitalizations occurred in fully vaccinated individuals the week ending August 7th.
Your post seems to imply it was 60% over the entire population, not this subgroup. 

 
Also, look at the graph on the bottom of page 8. See how the lines converge on the upper right corner as you increase along the x axis of % vaxxed in the population.

That shows as vaxx % approaches 100% in a population, the majority of infections will be in vaxxed people, and it is mathematically very unlikely for it to be otherwise.

 
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Cheese and Crackers said:
From page 7 of the PDF:

Caused by Delta, not vaccinations.

Your post seems to imply it was 60% over the entire population, not this subgroup. 
So vaccinated get delta to the point hospitalizations doubled? You see why these gene serums are stupid? They don’t work. They send people to the hospital.

 
According to the department of defense the experimental gene serums caused hospitalizations to double. 60% were fully vaccinated. You need to stop labeling everything you don’t want to hear or believe misinformation.https://renz-law.com/wp-content/uploads/DOD-Doc.pdf


In other words,

"Here's a blatantly false statement. But you're probably going to label it misinformation just because you don't want to hear blatantly false statements. Here's a link that shows some data that doesn't support my statement."

 
That's not what the CMS data shows. It is only used as a way to calculate the underreporting factor on VAERS. It's an estimate that is trying to extrapolate data from one source by using a completely different source. It's likely widely inaccurate.

And of those deaths, most of them are caused by things other than the vaccine. That's how VAERS is designed. To record any adverse events regardless if they are related to the vaccine. Previously you stated that you think there have been over 400k deaths from the vaccine (or so I recall).

The leading cause of death in the US is heart disease at 660k or so. You think that the vaccine is suddenly causing nearly as many deaths as the leading cause of death? And that they are somehow covering that up? That doesn't seem realistic.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm
Heart disease is a collective term including many diagnoses. The most common single diagnosis causing death is heart attack, which usually kills about 1000 people a day.

You know what other diagnosis has averaged over 1K deaths for nearly two years? Hint: It’s not a vaccine.

 
tymarsas said:
Where are you seeing that? I am seeing that it reduced hospitalization by 1/3 (32% to 21%) and death (if hospitalized) by 6 fold (12% to 2%).
He doesn’t understand his own link. I explained it in one of the other covid threads.

 

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