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[PhD]

Brady didn't look quite right but down 3 touchdowns with 2 timeouts, and those weapons, is something the Patriots could pull off.

I lost a lot of respect for the Patriots for this decision.

I couldn't disagree more. This game was over when Belichick made that decision. While anything is possible, I don't blame Belichick for not expecting his 0.0001% chance of winning this game at that point to come true and I endorse his decision to not risk the rest of his season (i.e. Brady) a possible season ending injury on a meaningless play.Just curious what Patriots you may have on your team(s) and whether or not you lost by a slim margin.

There's the math!I was shocked that they would quit on the game like this. But, I guess if they can't get a measley first down against the Colts, how could he imagine that they could score 21pts against the Saints?!

 

[Knobs]

Even though they call this the "shark" pool, I am always amazed by the number of people who just don't understand the game... don't understand the coaching... don't understand the philosophy... don't understand the rules... don't understand anything...You, my friend, are one of those schmucks.High five!

I don't understand as much as many others, but I understand more than enough to know Belichick shouldn't send his starters back into the game in a blowout win.So I don't understand why he doesn't send them back out in a blowout loss.

This might be my new sig.Are your freaking serious ?

I am completely and totally serious. Sig away.

 

[JZilla]

I think it's a wuss move to bench your starters in the NFL when you're getting beat down. Period. I don't feel the need to justify that viewpoint.

 

[Heatman]

This is the classic example of an internet story, and it's important only to fantasy football players who lost potential points. I predict you won't hear one mention of it on TV or anywhere in the media.

Disagree. Here are some early comments from ESPN:* Teddy Bruschi just said he was very disappointed that Brady didnt go back in the game with 5 minutes left.

* Steve Young said that it felt like youre beating your older brother in a game of chess and instead of him playing until the final whistle he overturns the board

Bingo

 

[DA RAIDERS]

####### patties

You keep up that commitment to excellence, my friend.

will do roosterknob!!

 

[Black]

Even though they call this the "shark" pool, I am always amazed by the number of people who just don't understand the game... don't understand the coaching... don't understand the philosophy... don't understand the rules... don't understand anything...You, my friend, are one of those schmucks.High five!

Thank you.end of thread.

I don't get the hate here. Sure there are fantasy implications, but this is more of a FOOTBALL question and I do believe the OP understands philosophy, rules, and maybe not everything, but for sure some things. Also, not sure if you are aware, but FBG is a Fantasy Football community.Anyways, back to the question...Why are the Patriots not in the 2 minute drill with 8 minutes to go in the 4th? Hell, even the Browns were fighting with no time left and two scores down when they nearly got Cribbs killed. Why were they not more aggressive coming out in the 3rd quarter? They saw what the Saints had, and even had the momentum when they got that fumble back. It did seem like the Patriots quit. Belichick even sought out Brees after the game for a handshake...maybe it's his last season. Who knows.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I think it's a wuss move to bench your starters in the NFL when you're getting beat down. Period. I don't feel the need to justify that viewpoint.

You have that right as I have the right to comment on yours. It makes no sense to keep your starters out in a game that is over and risk injury. These coaches know that it's only 1 game in a season and you take your loss and move on to fight another week. You don't keep your studs out there for no other reason than to prove their not "wusses." Trust me, those guys aren't wusses out there, you and I wouldn't last a series out there.No reason to keep Brady/Moss and the gang out on the field to take more of a beat down.

 

[hootyhoo22]

look, pats already have the division locked up. so they are basically fighting chargers and bengals for that number 2 seed. theres 5 more games to go to clinch that number 2 seed. they were playing the saints, a team they wont see until the superbowl. trust me, if this was the colts or chargers. they would have kept playing till the end.

 

[Casting Couch]

####### patties

You keep up that commitment to excellence, my friend.

will do roosterknob!!

Now resorting to name calling is not becoming of a Raider fan.It's not like you have the worst record of any NFL team over the past 7 years. On second thought..... you do.

 

[JZilla]

I think it's a wuss move to bench your starters in the NFL when you're getting beat down. Period. I don't feel the need to justify that viewpoint.

You have that right as I have the right to comment on yours. It makes no sense to keep your starters out in a game that is over and risk injury. These coaches know that it's only 1 game in a season and you take your loss and move on to fight another week. You don't keep your studs out there for no other reason than to prove their not "wusses." Trust me, those guys aren't wusses out there, you and I wouldn't last a series out there.No reason to keep Brady/Moss and the gang out on the field to take more of a beat down.

This is irrelevantBelichick doesn't hesitate to keep his starters in to pour it on in a victory, so the whole weak injury risk argument means nothing to me particularly in this case

Living in Detroit, you should appreciate the effort given by a losing team at the tail end of a loss. At least try. Entertain the customer if nothing else.

Hell, even the Browns

Exactly. Even the Browns. But the Patriots know nothing of this losing deal.. better tuck your tails, jump on the bus and run home.

 

[timschochet]

This is the classic example of an internet story, and it's important only to fantasy football players who lost potential points. I predict you won't hear one mention of it on TV or anywhere in the media.

well you're totally wrong as the ESPN guys are discussing it this very second

Yeah, I'm wrong, and frankly I'm surprised by it. It's really a non-story in my opinion. Who cares? It's not going to make an ounce of difference in the next game. This loss will not affect the Patriots' psyche at all. A win next week, and it will be forgotten. That's the way good teams are.

 

[Casting Couch]

This is the classic example of an internet story, and it's important only to fantasy football players who lost potential points. I predict you won't hear one mention of it on TV or anywhere in the media.

well you're totally wrong as the ESPN guys are discussing it this very second

Yeah, I'm wrong, and frankly I'm surprised by it. It's really a non-story in my opinion. Who cares? It's not going to make an ounce of difference in the next game. This loss will not affect the Patriots' psyche at all. A win next week, and it will be forgotten. That's the way good teams are.

New England lost to a better team tonight. I think the Saints showed they are the best team in the NFL right now.IMO, New England wipes the floor with Miami next week.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

This is the classic example of an internet story, and it's important only to fantasy football players who lost potential points. I predict you won't hear one mention of it on TV or anywhere in the media.

well you're totally wrong as the ESPN guys are discussing it this very second

Yeah, I'm wrong, and frankly I'm surprised by it. It's really a non-story in my opinion. Who cares? It's not going to make an ounce of difference in the next game. This loss will not affect the Patriots' psyche at all. A win next week, and it will be forgotten. That's the way good teams are.

Are they really all that good? Their defense has not looked good in more than this game.

 

[Knobs]

This is the classic example of an internet story, and it's important only to fantasy football players who lost potential points. I predict you won't hear one mention of it on TV or anywhere in the media.

well you're totally wrong as the ESPN guys are discussing it this very second

Yeah, I'm wrong, and frankly I'm surprised by it. It's really a non-story in my opinion. Who cares? It's not going to make an ounce of difference in the next game. This loss will not affect the Patriots' psyche at all. A win next week, and it will be forgotten. That's the way good teams are.

You're right that this won't change much, if anything about next game. But it does show off their character imo. Total cowardice. I simply have no respect for someone who is going to play that way.

 

[Casting Couch]

This is the classic example of an internet story, and it's important only to fantasy football players who lost potential points. I predict you won't hear one mention of it on TV or anywhere in the media.

well you're totally wrong as the ESPN guys are discussing it this very second

Yeah, I'm wrong, and frankly I'm surprised by it. It's really a non-story in my opinion. Who cares? It's not going to make an ounce of difference in the next game. This loss will not affect the Patriots' psyche at all. A win next week, and it will be forgotten. That's the way good teams are.

Are they really all that good? Their defense has not looked good in more than this game.

Are you implying that the Patriots are NOT a good overall team ?

 

[Ghost Rider]

This is the classic example of an internet story, and it's important only to fantasy football players who lost potential points. I predict you won't hear one mention of it on TV or anywhere in the media.

well you're totally wrong as the ESPN guys are discussing it this very second

Yeah, I'm wrong, and frankly I'm surprised by it. It's really a non-story in my opinion. Who cares? It's not going to make an ounce of difference in the next game. This loss will not affect the Patriots' psyche at all. A win next week, and it will be forgotten. That's the way good teams are.

Are they really all that good? Their defense has not looked good in more than this game.

And most good teams go into December with at least one road win, which the Patriots do not have, unless you count that game against TB in Europe. These are not the Patriots of the early 00s, folks.

 

[Casting Couch]

This is the classic example of an internet story, and it's important only to fantasy football players who lost potential points. I predict you won't hear one mention of it on TV or anywhere in the media.

well you're totally wrong as the ESPN guys are discussing it this very second

Yeah, I'm wrong, and frankly I'm surprised by it. It's really a non-story in my opinion. Who cares? It's not going to make an ounce of difference in the next game. This loss will not affect the Patriots' psyche at all. A win next week, and it will be forgotten. That's the way good teams are.

You're right that this won't change much, if anything about next game. But it does show off their character imo. Total cowardice. I simply have no respect for someone who is going to play that way.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Brady was having a terrible game, for the most part the game was meaningless...not like NE is not going to win their division and they are too far behind Indy to grab a #1 spot...why not take the stars out. Brady, Moss, and Welker were on the sidelines. BB was just doing the right thing IMO...if Brady were a rookie or 2nd year player, fine let him learn what its all about but leaving him out there proves nothing.

Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left agianst a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

 

[JZilla]

Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left agianst a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

Exactly. They're mediocre and they know it. Bench everybody, these NFC guys are too good! Tail tucked, moving on, whew we get to play the Dolphins next?One and done in January.

 

[Native]

Brady was having a terrible game, for the most part the game was meaningless...not like NE is not going to win their division and they are too far behind Indy to grab a #1 spot...why not take the stars out. Brady, Moss, and Welker were on the sidelines. BB was just doing the right thing IMO...if Brady were a rookie or 2nd year player, fine let him learn what its all about but leaving him out there proves nothing. Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left agianst a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

Serious question: Do you think Manning would have come out of the game with 5:30 on the clock?

 

[JZilla]

Brady was having a terrible game, for the most part the game was meaningless...not like NE is not going to win their division and they are too far behind Indy to grab a #1 spot...why not take the stars out. Brady, Moss, and Welker were on the sidelines. BB was just doing the right thing IMO...if Brady were a rookie or 2nd year player, fine let him learn what its all about but leaving him out there proves nothing. Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left agianst a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

Serious question: Do you think Manning would have come out of the game with 5:30 on the clock?

N/A, Manning's a winner

 

[PhD]

This is the classic example of an internet story, and it's important only to fantasy football players who lost potential points. I predict you won't hear one mention of it on TV or anywhere in the media.

well you're totally wrong as the ESPN guys are discussing it this very second

Yeah, I'm wrong, and frankly I'm surprised by it. It's really a non-story in my opinion. Who cares? It's not going to make an ounce of difference in the next game. This loss will not affect the Patriots' psyche at all. A win next week, and it will be forgotten. That's the way good teams are.

Absolutely. In fact, maybe it helps their psyche. Belichick is just playing the "respect" shtick at a level of genius here. "You can't stop the Colts." "You can't keep up with the Saints." "You can't finish games."

 

[Casting Couch]

Brady was having a terrible game, for the most part the game was meaningless...not like NE is not going to win their division and they are too far behind Indy to grab a #1 spot...why not take the stars out. Brady, Moss, and Welker were on the sidelines. BB was just doing the right thing IMO...if Brady were a rookie or 2nd year player, fine let him learn what its all about but leaving him out there proves nothing. Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left agianst a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

Serious question: Do you think Manning would have come out of the game with 5:30 on the clock?

N/A, Manning's a winner

:ringsdown?:

 

[Ghost Rider]

Brady was having a terrible game, for the most part the game was meaningless...not like NE is not going to win their division and they are too far behind Indy to grab a #1 spot...why not take the stars out. Brady, Moss, and Welker were on the sidelines. BB was just doing the right thing IMO...if Brady were a rookie or 2nd year player, fine let him learn what its all about but leaving him out there proves nothing. Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left agianst a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

Serious question: Do you think Manning would have come out of the game with 5:30 on the clock?

N/A, Manning's a winner

Yep. Just ask Jeff Fisher.

 

[Wrigley]

This is the classic example of an internet story, and it's important only to fantasy football players who lost potential points. I predict you won't hear one mention of it on TV or anywhere in the media.

well you're totally wrong as the ESPN guys are discussing it this very second

Yeah, I'm wrong, and frankly I'm surprised by it. It's really a non-story in my opinion. Who cares? It's not going to make an ounce of difference in the next game. This loss will not affect the Patriots' psyche at all. A win next week, and it will be forgotten. That's the way good teams are.

Are they really all that good? Their defense has not looked good in more than this game.

Are you implying that the Patriots are NOT a good overall team ?

Good, not great1-4 on the road, pretty much sums it up.

 

[None_More_Black]

Brady was having a terrible game, for the most part the game was meaningless...not like NE is not going to win their division and they are too far behind Indy to grab a #1 spot...why not take the stars out. Brady, Moss, and Welker were on the sidelines. BB was just doing the right thing IMO...if Brady were a rookie or 2nd year player, fine let him learn what its all about but leaving him out there proves nothing. Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left agianst a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

You should never try to win when you are losing. Good point.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Granted the Pats were getting drilled all night long, how do you pull Brady & Co with over 5 minutes left in a game that three TDs could win?Trust me, I don't think the Pats had a shot in hell but I am stunned.

Didn't want the Saints to run up the score on him I guess -QG

 

[Das Boot]

You can possibly say that he is being consistent here, even though you are saying he isn't. In blow out wins, the starters stay in. In blowout losses, the starters come out.

I lost track of which of those is smart and which is dumb.

Or maybe they're both brilliant?

Dang, math is hard.

 

[datonn]

I didn't think pulling the starters was that bad of a move (Vikings fan and Pats/BB "disliker" here). It gave a few more players like Hoyer a chance to see a little live game action, and the way the Saints were rolling, I don't think there was any chance of the Patriots coming back to steal that game.

The Saints dominated the Patriots. Reinforces my belief that, barring injury to key players, the Saints will be representing the NFC in the Super Bowl. The Vikings are good, and a few NFC East teams and the Packers will be solid when they get healthy again, but I just don't see any defense in the NFC (even the Vikings) slowing down that offense. The Vikings and Childress make too many mistakes each game (penalties, bonehead calls/moves, etc.)...and all it'll take is 2-3 mistakes and the Saints are up 10+ points.

The Colts can be had, IMHO. However, barring something unexpected happening to the Saints the next 5-6 weeks, the Saints are AT LEAST your NFC Champions.

 

[Swamprat]

Up until BB pulled Brady, Moss and Welker, I was sitting on the edge of my chair saying to myself "Still time, Saints have to hold them". I never thought BB would throw in the towel.

There aren't many teams that pull the starters any more. I've wonder at times why Sean Payton leaves Brees in the games with a big lead and have seen Manning finish games where the Colts are blowing out their opponents.

 

[David Dodds]

Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left against a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

Let me break this down a bit more. Are you saying Brady had no chance of scoring a TD on the next drive? Why not as someone else suggested just send Moss deep 4 plays. Maybe you get lucky. You fail to score quickly, then yes you can't win. But we are talking about 5 minutes left in the game. You have elite WRs and and elite QB. The Saints are playing two inexperienced corners. And you just throw in the towel? Add me to the list of comparing it to the younger brother who knocks over the chess board. Do you think Brady, Moss and Welker wanted to leave the field right there?and as others pointed out. Where was the sense of urgency on any drive in the second half? Why not use the no-huddle? For all the people that defended the 4th and 2 and quoting 70% success rates, benching those same players with 5+ minutes left is pathetic.Try and score fast. It's that simple. Go deep and play hurry up. Take chances. If you score quickly, reassess. If you turn the ball over, etc then it's an easy concede.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Brady was having a terrible game, for the most part the game was meaningless...not like NE is not going to win their division and they are too far behind Indy to grab a #1 spot...why not take the stars out. Brady, Moss, and Welker were on the sidelines. BB was just doing the right thing IMO...if Brady were a rookie or 2nd year player, fine let him learn what its all about but leaving him out there proves nothing. Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left agianst a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

Serious question: Do you think Manning would have come out of the game with 5:30 on the clock?

Serious answer: WTH knows...let me find out when the Colts are down 21 on the road to a team that hasn't lost all season. If Brady, Welker, or Moss bust a bone in garbage time which is what being down 38-17 is...GARBAGE TIME...do you think the media would have 2nd guessed BB? They would have unloaded on him on Mike and Mike in the morning.

 

[Knobs]

Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left against a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

Let me break this down a bit more. Are you saying Brady had no chance of scoring a TD on the next drive? Why not as someone else suggested just send Moss deep 4 plays. Maybe you get lucky. You fail to score quickly, then yes you can't win. But we are talking about 5 minutes left in the game. You have elite WRs and and elite QB. The Saints are playing two inexperienced corners. And you just throw in the towel? Add me to the list of comparing it to the younger brother who knocks over the chess board. Do you think Brady, Moss and Welker wanted to leave the field right there?and as others pointed out. Where was the sense of urgency on any drive in the second half? Why not use the no-huddle? For all the people that defended the 4th and 2 and quoting 70% success rates, benching those same players with 5+ minutes left is pathetic.Try and score fast. It's that simple. Go deep and play hurry up. Take chances. If you score quickly, reassess. If you turn the ball over, etc then it's an easy concede.

Great posting.

 

[dickey moe]

So it doesn't look good. It was the right decision.

 

[Casting Couch]

Brady was having a terrible game, for the most part the game was meaningless...not like NE is not going to win their division and they are too far behind Indy to grab a #1 spot...why not take the stars out. Brady, Moss, and Welker were on the sidelines. BB was just doing the right thing IMO...if Brady were a rookie or 2nd year player, fine let him learn what its all about but leaving him out there proves nothing. Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left agianst a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

Serious question: Do you think Manning would have come out of the game with 5:30 on the clock?

Serious answer: WTH knows...let me find out when the Colts are down 21 on the road to a team that hasn't lost all season. If Brady, Welker, or Moss bust a bone in garbage time which is what being down 38-17 is...GARBAGE TIME...do you think the media would have 2nd guessed BB? They would have unloaded on him on Mike and Mike in the morning.

concur.

 

[David Dodds]

Serious question: Do you think Manning would have come out of the game with 5:30 on the clock?

Not a chance in hell Manning would be out of the game there without yelling at his coach for the rest of the game. If the Genius had benched Brady only, I might be able to drum up some argument. By pulling Brady, Moss and Welker, he should have just had Hoyer kneel down and end the game.

 

[Steve Dallas]

Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left against a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

Let me break this down a bit more. Are you saying Brady had no chance of scoring a TD on the next drive? Why not as someone else suggested just send Moss deep 4 plays. Maybe you get lucky. You fail to score quickly, then yes you can't win. But we are talking about 5 minutes left in the game. You have elite WRs and and elite QB. The Saints are playing two inexperienced corners. And you just throw in the towel? Add me to the list of comparing it to the younger brother who knocks over the chess board. Do you think Brady, Moss and Welker wanted to leave the field right there?and as others pointed out. Where was the sense of urgency on any drive in the second half? Why not use the no-huddle? For all the people that defended the 4th and 2 and quoting 70% success rates, benching those same players with 5+ minutes left is pathetic.Try and score fast. It's that simple. Go deep and play hurry up. Take chances. If you score quickly, reassess. If you turn the ball over, etc then it's an easy concede.

This, folks, is why David Dodds co-owns a Fantasy Football site and Belichick is a coach in the NFL.

 

[Casting Couch]

Serious question: Do you think Manning would have come out of the game with 5:30 on the clock?

Not a chance in hell Manning would be out of the game there without yelling at his coach for the rest of the game. If the Genius had benched Brady only, I might be able to drum up some argument. By pulling Brady, Moss and Welker, he should have just had Hoyer kneel down and end the game.

When Brady goes down with a season ending injury during garbage time, then everyone would be singing a different tune, guaranteed.The pocket was continually breaking down on him during most of the 4th quarter. It was over.

 

[None_More_Black]

Up until BB pulled Brady, Moss and Welker, I was sitting on the edge of my chair saying to myself "Still time, Saints have to hold them". I never thought BB would throw in the towel. There aren't many teams that pull the starters any more. I've wonder at times why Sean Payton leaves Brees in the games with a big lead and have seen Manning finish games where the Colts are blowing out their opponents.

How many points did NE score at the end of the first half against Tennesee? The Patriots have the ability to score fast, add a turnover and a onside kick and you have a ball game. There is a lot that can happen in an NFL game, they are not playing chess. BB made a bad call.

 

[Das Boot]

This is the classic example of an internet story, and it's important only to fantasy football players who lost potential points. I predict you won't hear one mention of it on TV or anywhere in the media.

well you're totally wrong as the ESPN guys are discussing it this very second

Is anyone shocked that timschochet was wrong on this?Anyone?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Posted this in the game thread.I don't get it - while it's unlikely, they still do have a chance to win. 3 touchdowns are incredibly unlikely but you wouldn't see Peyton sitting while he still has ANY chance to win the game, no matter how slight it may be.I've hated the Patriots for some time, but always held a level of respect for them. I lost a bit of respect for the way they played this game. Going for it on fourth down when the logic was they needed to score points? Okay, because you believe you're great at picking those up. Punting it later when it's 4th and 4? Where is that same mentality?They played aggressively until they realized this wasn't an easy win. Then they folded and played like defeated cowards.Big thumbs down to these shmucks. What are your thoughts on this? I can't think of any reason Brady should have been benched when there was still a chance to win.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Anyone that thinks NE was going to come back from 38-17 with 5:00 left against a team undefeated for the season while on the road...lets be realistic here folks please.

Let me break this down a bit more. Are you saying Brady had no chance of scoring a TD on the next drive? Why not as someone else suggested just send Moss deep 4 plays. Maybe you get lucky. You fail to score quickly, then yes you can't win. But we are talking about 5 minutes left in the game. You have elite WRs and and elite QB. The Saints are playing two inexperienced corners. And you just throw in the towel? Add me to the list of comparing it to the younger brother who knocks over the chess board. Do you think Brady, Moss and Welker wanted to leave the field right there?and as others pointed out. Where was the sense of urgency on any drive in the second half? Why not use the no-huddle? For all the people that defended the 4th and 2 and quoting 70% success rates, benching those same players with 5+ minutes left is pathetic.Try and score fast. It's that simple. Go deep and play hurry up. Take chances. If you score quickly, reassess. If you turn the ball over, etc then it's an easy concede.

Hi DD,I watched the whole game and NE scored on their 1st or 2nd drive and then they just could not move the ball once they fell behind. It looked like a game in the beginning of the 2nd half but NE never threatened to rip off 21 in 5 minutes in this game...they scored 17 ion the 1st 55 minutes, adn you feel they had a chance to score 21 in the final 5 minutes. I don't thin the risk was worth the reward. They played like horsespit most of the night and there could have been another 2 or 3 quarters added to that game they were not going to mount a comback. brady threw an awful pass on the drive right before then too...he quit before he left the field, it was obvious. They looked bad when they were down 17-7...24-10...31-17 and that's when they won the game. They answered NE with a quick strike and said if you want to run with us please go ahead because we can score quickly too. They also marched down the field with a long drive after NE scored their 1st TD to make it 10-7, they pretty much had control form that point on so I don't think BB made a bad decision at all.

 

[David Dodds]

For the people defending this, where was the cutoff? Would you have been OK quitting down 21 with 8 minutes to go? Why risk injury to anyone? Should teams just concede when they get down 21 and not take the field at all. This would ensure they can't get hurt.

Cowardly to not even try and score with 5+ minutes to go. What a disgrace.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

is this actually a football board, or just a pats fishing site?

very informative thread.

ps

omg running up the scorez!!!!

disgusting!

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I question the sincerity of most folks feeling BB and the Pats(whom I detest) did the wrong thing sitting Brady, Moss, and Welker for the final 5 minutes. And what I mean is you have angry Moss and Brady owners...Moss got 9 points tonight in a game he should have racked a lot of yds because of the match ups. And then to rub salt in the wounds you didn't even get those garbage time stat pads to add your leagues this week.

You have to peel back the layers here...they were down by 21...anything over 20 points is a blowout. When you are getting blown out late in the game and you have given no reason to believe you can win, then you must sit superstars like Brady, Moss, and Welker down...it was all 3 of them not just Brady. And Brady had just thrown a desperation pick...the desperation drive was the one where Sharper intercepted the ball...seriously guys, the game was over.

 

[Knobs]

Cowardly to not even try and score with 5+ minutes to go. What a disgrace.

Imo anyone who considers themselves to be a football fan should be ashamed and disgusted with that decision.

 

[Keysersoze666]

As a neutral observer, I see this in a slightly different way.

All Champions have a swagger and an arrogance that defines them. BB has an up close and personal view of this, based on the success that he has enjoyed with the Pats. Confidence is an elusive, fragile thing that is OFTEN, the slight difference in games that matter. Remember that the Pat's Super Bowl wins were all close games.

The Pats have not won a game on the road yet this year. They were being Smoked, on the road, against a team that they could meet in the Super Bowl. (If they are lucky to make it that far).

In my mind, yanking Brady when he did, in a game they had a 5% chance of winning (Agreed I'm picking that number out of my ###) shows his team that if you have no swagger, no confidence, we can NEVER win it ALL. It may not work, but to me, he was making a statement to his OWN team, in his OWN way.

No one can argue with his methodology in dealing with his own team. For all of the criticism he takes over any of the relevant issues, his success rate is something that ANY NFL owner would take. Motivation/Confidence may have been the difference in ANY of the Super Bowl wins the Pats have achieved.

Say what you will about BB, I don't think it's possible to say that he isn't in touch with his teams. Maybe it will work and maybe it won't, but I refuse to believe that it wasn't ALL calculated.

Tell me how Stupid I am for thinking this way.

 

[bostonfred]

If the Pats won, they'd have given the Colts all the accolades for being the last undefeated team left standing. Instead, they screw the Colts and get a ton of game film on a likely Superbowl opponent that had to play them for realsies while they took notes. Another brilliant move by Belichick in preservation of the only 18-0 record in NFL history.

 

[Avery]

I question the sincerity of most folks feeling BB and the Pats(whom I detest) did the wrong thing sitting Brady for the final 5 minutes. And what I mean is you have angry Moss and Brady owners...Moss got 9 points tonight in a game he should ahve racked a lot of yds because of the match ups. And then to rub salt int he wounds you didn't even get those garbage time stat pads to add your leagues this week.

You have to peel back the layers here...they were down by 21...anything over 20 points is ablowout. When you are getting blown out late in the game and you have given no reason to believe you can win, then you must sit superstars like Brady, Moss, and Welker down...it was all 3 of them not just Brady. And Brady had just thrown a desperation pick...the desperation drive was the one where Sharper intercepted the ball...seriously guys, the game was over.

I was going against Welker and would have lost with one more catch. Instead I win and move into first place in my league and I think it was a chicken#### move on Bellichek's part.

 

[Wrigley]

As a neutral observer, I see this in a slightly different way.

All Champions have a swagger and an arrogance that defines them. BB has an up close and personal view of this, based on the success that he has enjoyed with the Pats. Confidence is an elusive, fragile thing that is OFTEN, the slight difference in games that matter. Remember that the Pat's Super Bowl wins were all close games.

The Pats have not won a game on the road yet this year. They were being Smoked, on the road, against a team that they could meet in the Super Bowl. (If they are lucky to make it that far).

In my mind, yanking Brady when he did, in a game they had a 5% chance of winning (Agreed I'm picking that number out of my ###) shows his team that if you have no swagger, no confidence, we can NEVER win it ALL. It may not work, but to me, he was making a statement to his OWN team, in his OWN way.

No one can argue with his methodology in dealing with his own team. For all of the criticism he takes over any of the relevant issues, his success rate is something that ANY NFL owner would take. Motivation/Confidence may have been the difference in ANY of the Super Bowl wins the Pats have achieved.

Say what you will about BB, I don't think it's possible to say that he isn't in touch with his teams. Maybe it will work and maybe it won't, but I refuse to believe that it wasn't ALL calculated.

Tell me how Stupid I am for thinking this way.

Tampa doesn't count?