I Just Traded S. Alexander for T. Bell (1 Viewer)

[podunker]

I had been contemplating the deal since Bell was named the starter and SA got hurt. The game against the Ravens sealed my decision on doing the deal.

1. When Tatum fumbled on the first series I thought for sure Shanny would pull him and put Mike Bell in, like he has done in the past when a back fumbles. He left Tatum in the game.......that showed me he was confident in Tatums abilities and he really was the No. 1 guy.

2. He ran for almost 100yds against one of the toughest run defenses in the league. I saw the way Alexander was running prior to getting injured, he had no explosion and looked to be tip toeing through the line. I don't think he would have faired so well against he Ravens.

3. Plummer has shown that he can't win games passing, so Denver is going to run, run, and run some more.

4. Name recognition seems to block lots of owners from making good decisions. How long are you going to stay with a guy just because he WAS good in the past.

I have Bush, Foster, S Smith, Holt, Winslow, in PPR league...........so it won't hurt to bad if it doesn't turn out!

 

[the rover]

I just watched a movie and had a diet coke with lime.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I had been contemplating the deal since Bell was named the starter and SA got hurt. The game against the Ravens sealed my decision on doing the deal. 1. When Tatum fumbled on the first series I thought for sure Shanny would pull him and put Mike Bell in, like he has done in the past when a back fumbles. He left Tatum in the game.......that showed me he was confident in Tatums abilities and he really was the No. 1 guy. 2. He ran for almost 100yds against one of the toughest run defenses in the league. I saw the way Alexander was running prior to getting injured, he had no explosion and looked to be tip toeing through the line. I don't think he would have faired so well against he Ravens. 3. Plummer has shown that he can't win games passing, so Denver is going to run, run, and run some more. 4. Name recognition seems to block lots of owners from making good decisions. How long are you going to stay with a guy just because he WAS good in the past. I have Bush, Foster, S Smith, Holt, Winslow, in PPR league...........so it won't hurt to bad if it doesn't turn out!

A. Wrong forumB.

 

[pizzatyme]

Please come back and tell us how the rest of your season went! I can't wait!

 

[Mario Kart]

What are roster sizes? Who else is on your team and his? Point system? We need more info here.

 

[ydub]

I had been contemplating the deal since Bell was named the starter and SA got hurt. The game against the Ravens sealed my decision on doing the deal.

1. When Tatum fumbled on the first series I thought for sure Shanny would pull him and put Mike Bell in, like he has done in the past when a back fumbles. He left Tatum in the game.......that showed me he was confident in Tatums abilities and he really was the No. 1 guy.

2. He ran for almost 100yds against one of the toughest run defenses in the league. I saw the way Alexander was running prior to getting injured, he had no explosion and looked to be tip toeing through the line. I don't think he would have faired so well against he Ravens.

3. Plummer has shown that he can't win games passing, so Denver is going to run, run, and run some more.

4. Name recognition seems to block lots of owners from making good decisions. How long are you going to stay with a guy just because he WAS good in the past.

I have Bush, Foster, S Smith, Holt, Winslow, in PPR league...........so it won't hurt to bad if it doesn't turn out!

A. Wrong forumB.

A. How in the world is this in the wrong forum? This guy his clearly making a statement about Tatum Bell's ability relative to Shaun Alexander's declining ability. No different from the numerous "Turner on the rise! LT no longer a STUD!" threads. B. I love FBG's. Took a glance at the material a few months ago and signed up for the premium content 30 minutes later. Already my favorite website. My one qualm is with posters like you who aren't moderaters, yet continually moderate without moderation. Try moderating yourself once in awhile and leave the rest of the moderating to the moderators...

 

[Da Good Da Bad an Da Ugly]

I just watched a movie and had a diet coke with lime.

 

[podunker]

What are roster sizes? Who else is on your team and his? Point system? We need more info here.

We have 16 man rosters. I am 4-1 on the year, he is 2-3 on the year. I have the top scoring team in league. I just beat him last week. I performance scoring with a PPR for RB,WR,TE. Start 2RB,3wr, 1te, with 1 flex. My team nowQB McNabb, BreesRB T. Bell, Foster, Bush, DayneWR Holt, S Smith, Coles, Evans, WilliamsonTE WinslowK WilkinsD EaglesHis team nowQB Palmer, GrossmanRB Alexander, Dunn, J Jones, L Jordan, M BarberWR Harrison, Glenn, Galloway, Reg Williams, KennisonTE Des. ClarkK VinitairiD SaintsAlexander has really been no use to me so far, I lost while Smith was injured. For those that say it's the wrong forum or just smart a##es, PACK IT! Not the wrong forum, I'm not asking for opinions, just stating strategy for doing the trade.

 

[Native]

I just watched a movie and had a diet coke with lime.

 

[SSOG]

I had been contemplating the deal since Bell was named the starter and SA got hurt. The game against the Ravens sealed my decision on doing the deal. 1. When Tatum fumbled on the first series I thought for sure Shanny would pull him and put Mike Bell in, like he has done in the past when a back fumbles. He left Tatum in the game.......that showed me he was confident in Tatums abilities and he really was the No. 1 guy.

Obviously someone hasn't been paying attention for the last several months, when Levin and I have been running around asserting over and over and over again that Shanahan has demonstrated in the past that he has a VERY long leash. It took 3 fumbles in 4 games (one of them a game-loser) as well as multiple HORRIBLE outings before Quentin lost his job- and even then, he wasn't out of the rotation until he got injured. Last year, Mike Anderson had a lost fumble on the goal line in week 2, and he didn't see his workload decrease (either overall *OR* at the goal-line).Expecting Shanny to bench Tatum after a single fumble is a little bit silly. I mean, even Curtis Martin fumbled sometimes.

3. Plummer has shown that he can't win games passing, so Denver is going to run, run, and run some more.

I have to say, this would worry me if I were a Bell owner. Historically, Denver's running game and Denver's passing game have fed off of each other. Good running opens up the bootleg, and solid bootlegging opens up the cutback lanes. Historically, Denver's strongest rushing seasons tend to coincide with its strongest passing seasons, and vice versa.Either way, kudos for forming and opinion and having the guts to back it up.

 

[AcousticNut]

A. Wrong forumB.

Not sure why this would be the wrong forum. I think posts like this are extremely helpful in setting trade value for players. Knowing what owners think of the relative value of Shaun Alexander to Tatum Bell is good information for both Bell and Alexander owners looking to make moves.Thanks for the info Podunker.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

A. Wrong forumB.

Not sure why this would be the wrong forum. I think posts like this are extremely helpful in setting trade value for players. Knowing what owners think of the relative value of Shaun Alexander to Tatum Bell is good information for both Bell and Alexander owners looking to make moves.Thanks for the info Podunker.

100% agree. "Wrong Forum" crowd should take up a new hobby.

 

[thayman]

I had been contemplating the deal since Bell was named the starter and SA got hurt. The game against the Ravens sealed my decision on doing the deal. 1. When Tatum fumbled on the first series I thought for sure Shanny would pull him and put Mike Bell in, like he has done in the past when a back fumbles. He left Tatum in the game.......that showed me he was confident in Tatums abilities and he really was the No. 1 guy. 2. He ran for almost 100yds against one of the toughest run defenses in the league. I saw the way Alexander was running prior to getting injured, he had no explosion and looked to be tip toeing through the line. I don't think he would have faired so well against he Ravens. 3. Plummer has shown that he can't win games passing, so Denver is going to run, run, and run some more. 4. Name recognition seems to block lots of owners from making good decisions. How long are you going to stay with a guy just because he WAS good in the past. I have Bush, Foster, S Smith, Holt, Winslow, in PPR league...........so it won't hurt to bad if it doesn't turn out!

Not a bad deal at all......the only thing I don't like about it is if you end up playing this guy in the playoffs. SA has a favorable playoff schedule......but way to get value off name recognition alone!!

 

[mulliganm]

What are roster sizes? Who else is on your team and his? Point system? We need more info here.

We have 16 man rosters. I am 4-1 on the year, he is 2-3 on the year. I have the top scoring team in league. I just beat him last week. I performance scoring with a PPR for RB,WR,TE. Start 2RB,3wr, 1te, with 1 flex. My team nowQB McNabb, BreesRB T. Bell, Foster, Bush, DayneWR Holt, S Smith, Coles, Evans, WilliamsonTE WinslowK WilkinsD EaglesHis team nowQB Palmer, GrossmanRB Alexander, Dunn, J Jones, L Jordan, M BarberWR Harrison, Glenn, Galloway, Reg Williams, KennisonTE Des. ClarkK VinitairiD SaintsAlexander has really been no use to me so far, I lost while Smith was injured. For those that say it's the wrong forum or just smart a##es, PACK IT! Not the wrong forum, I'm not asking for opinions, just stating strategy for doing the trade.

:whoosh:

 

[Family Matters]

I had been contemplating the deal since Bell was named the starter and SA got hurt. The game against the Ravens sealed my decision on doing the deal. 1. When Tatum fumbled on the first series I thought for sure Shanny would pull him and put Mike Bell in, like he has done in the past when a back fumbles. He left Tatum in the game.......that showed me he was confident in Tatums abilities and he really was the No. 1 guy. 2. He ran for almost 100yds against one of the toughest run defenses in the league. I saw the way Alexander was running prior to getting injured, he had no explosion and looked to be tip toeing through the line. I don't think he would have faired so well against he Ravens. 3. Plummer has shown that he can't win games passing, so Denver is going to run, run, and run some more. 4. Name recognition seems to block lots of owners from making good decisions. How long are you going to stay with a guy just because he WAS good in the past. I have Bush, Foster, S Smith, Holt, Winslow, in PPR league...........so it won't hurt to bad if it doesn't turn out!

Not sure if my response is right or not but my impression of this trade was:1. Knee jerk reaction with an emotional twist.2. Did you realize that Alexander was injred before we were told?3. You must be confident that Shanny will stay true to Bell.So it sounded like you were so impressed with Bell that you just did whatever you had to to get that guy. Trading a proven vet away based on the results of 1 game is not usually the best scenario to make trades in. This is the classic example of sell high for Bell owners. But I guess if you think Alexander is washed up due to a broken foot and that Bell will remain the man then you made a good trade.OTOH-if Shanny continues to make changes at the RB position then you might end up with buyers remorse. Bell has had many great games where he clearly outperformed his RBBC peers abd yet Shanny has not stayed with him for various reasons that caanot be be reasonably explained. But that's how he's been using his RB since Portis left. Almost as though he doesn't want any single RB to get too good because they might want more money and leave when Denver refuses to pay it. You know, like Portis did. The RBBC approach he's been using prevents any one single player from getting too good.As for Alexander, I can't believe anyone really thinks he's washed up. He didn't lead the league in rushing because he's not good. And he's in a great system. As soon as he's healed he will assume the lead role again and become one of the leagues best rushers.Now if this is a redraft league, you might be ok. If this is a dynasty you might having serious regrets this time next year. We'll find out I guess.

 

[Texican]

Not a bad deal at all......the only thing I don't like about it is if you end up playing this guy in the playoffs. SA has a favorable playoff schedule......but way to get value off name recognition alone!!

Week 15 - CardinalsWeek 16 - Bengals

Not too bad for TBell either.

 

[Warpig]

I had been contemplating the deal since Bell was named the starter and SA got hurt. The game against the Ravens sealed my decision on doing the deal.

1. When Tatum fumbled on the first series I thought for sure Shanny would pull him and put Mike Bell in, like he has done in the past when a back fumbles. He left Tatum in the game.......that showed me he was confident in Tatums abilities and he really was the No. 1 guy.

2. He ran for almost 100yds against one of the toughest run defenses in the league. I saw the way Alexander was running prior to getting injured, he had no explosion and looked to be tip toeing through the line. I don't think he would have faired so well against he Ravens.

3. Plummer has shown that he can't win games passing, so Denver is going to run, run, and run some more.

4. Name recognition seems to block lots of owners from making good decisions. How long are you going to stay with a guy just because he WAS good in the past.

I have Bush, Foster, S Smith, Holt, Winslow, in PPR league...........so it won't hurt to bad if it doesn't turn out!

A. Wrong forumB.

A. How in the world is this in the wrong forum? This guy his clearly making a statement about Tatum Bell's ability relative to Shaun Alexander's declining ability. No different from the numerous "Turner on the rise! LT no longer a STUD!" threads. B. I love FBG's. Took a glance at the material a few months ago and signed up for the premium content 30 minutes later. Already my favorite website. My one qualm is with posters like you who aren't moderaters, yet continually moderate without moderation. Try moderating yourself once in awhile and leave the rest of the moderating to the moderators...

Just wait until they start in with the " (insert item here) down? " crap.

Some of these guys need to get a life.

Anyway, I think it's funny that people are bashing Jamal Lewis for his lack of explosion this year and his tip-toeing behind the line but if you say the same things about SA...OH MY GOD!!! That's slander and sacreligious. Plus the fact that the guy has a cracked foot. But if you ask everyone else they'll tell ya he's gonna come back and still rush for 30 TD's in 11 games.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I had been contemplating the deal since Bell was named the starter and SA got hurt. The game against the Ravens sealed my decision on doing the deal.

1. When Tatum fumbled on the first series I thought for sure Shanny would pull him and put Mike Bell in, like he has done in the past when a back fumbles. He left Tatum in the game.......that showed me he was confident in Tatums abilities and he really was the No. 1 guy.

2. He ran for almost 100yds against one of the toughest run defenses in the league. I saw the way Alexander was running prior to getting injured, he had no explosion and looked to be tip toeing through the line. I don't think he would have faired so well against he Ravens.

3. Plummer has shown that he can't win games passing, so Denver is going to run, run, and run some more.

4. Name recognition seems to block lots of owners from making good decisions. How long are you going to stay with a guy just because he WAS good in the past.

I have Bush, Foster, S Smith, Holt, Winslow, in PPR league...........so it won't hurt to bad if it doesn't turn out!

A. Wrong forumB.

A. How in the world is this in the wrong forum? This guy his clearly making a statement about Tatum Bell's ability relative to Shaun Alexander's declining ability. No different from the numerous "Turner on the rise! LT no longer a STUD!" threads. B. I love FBG's. Took a glance at the material a few months ago and signed up for the premium content 30 minutes later. Already my favorite website. My one qualm is with posters like you who aren't moderaters, yet continually moderate without moderation. Try moderating yourself once in awhile and leave the rest of the moderating to the moderators...

Just wait until they start in with the " (insert item here) down? " crap.

Some of these guys need to get a life.

Anyway, I think it's funny that people are bashing Jamal Lewis for his lack of explosion this year and his tip-toeing behind the line but if you say the same things about SA...OH MY GOD!!! That's slander and sacreligious. Plus the fact that the guy has a cracked foot. But if you ask everyone else they'll tell ya he's gonna come back and still rush for 30 TD's in 11 games.

Well, Alexander's coming off a 1800 yard 28 TD season. Jamal's not. And Alexander's been playing on a broken foot since week 2. Jamal's not. If you want to base your observations on one game with Alexander than all the power to you. But Jamal's been garbage for a year and a half now.

 

[Verbal Kint]

A. Wrong forumB.

Not sure why this would be the wrong forum. I think posts like this are extremely helpful in setting trade value for players. Knowing what owners think of the relative value of Shaun Alexander to Tatum Bell is good information for both Bell and Alexander owners looking to make moves.Thanks for the info Podunker.

100% agree. "Wrong Forum" crowd should take up a new hobby.

If you don't want to hear about peoples trades and why they made them you shouldn't be here. And this wasn't a "should I make this trade?" thread, so it doesn't belong in the AC. Some people need to lighten up.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

I think you overpaid by quite a lot to get Tatum.

He's never proven that he can last a full season of pounding, Alexander certainly has.

You traded SA when his value was at a low, another trade mistake.

You should at least have gotten something extra in addition to Bell like a solid WR.

I hope your trade turns out a lot better than I think it will.

 

[fornov]

I had been contemplating the deal since Bell was named the starter and SA got hurt. The game against the Ravens sealed my decision on doing the deal. 1. When Tatum fumbled on the first series I thought for sure Shanny would pull him and put Mike Bell in, like he has done in the past when a back fumbles. He left Tatum in the game.......that showed me he was confident in Tatums abilities and he really was the No. 1 guy. 2. He ran for almost 100yds against one of the toughest run defenses in the league. I saw the way Alexander was running prior to getting injured, he had no explosion and looked to be tip toeing through the line. I don't think he would have faired so well against he Ravens. 3. Plummer has shown that he can't win games passing, so Denver is going to run, run, and run some more. 4. Name recognition seems to block lots of owners from making good decisions. How long are you going to stay with a guy just because he WAS good in the past. I have Bush, Foster, S Smith, Holt, Winslow, in PPR league...........so it won't hurt to bad if it doesn't turn out!

Not sure if my response is right or not but my impression of this trade was:1. Knee jerk reaction with an emotional twist.2. Did you realize that Alexander was injred before we were told?3. You must be confident that Shanny will stay true to Bell.So it sounded like you were so impressed with Bell that you just did whatever you had to to get that guy. Trading a proven vet away based on the results of 1 game is not usually the best scenario to make trades in. This is the classic example of sell high for Bell owners. But I guess if you think Alexander is washed up due to a broken foot and that Bell will remain the man then you made a good trade.OTOH-if Shanny continues to make changes at the RB position then you might end up with buyers remorse. Bell has had many great games where he clearly outperformed his RBBC peers abd yet Shanny has not stayed with him for various reasons that caanot be be reasonably explained. But that's how he's been using his RB since Portis left. Almost as though he doesn't want any single RB to get too good because they might want more money and leave when Denver refuses to pay it. You know, like Portis did. The RBBC approach he's been using prevents any one single player from getting too good.As for Alexander, I can't believe anyone really thinks he's washed up. He didn't lead the league in rushing because he's not good. And he's in a great system. As soon as he's healed he will assume the lead role again and become one of the leagues best rushers.Now if this is a redraft league, you might be ok. If this is a dynasty you might having serious regrets this time next year. We'll find out I guess.

Actually, Portis got so good, they were able to trade him for Champ Bailey. In that case, his increasing value helped the team acquire a defensive star. They felt like it would be easier for them to replace a star's production at RB, which in their scheme, was true.I don't think Shanahan is going to make any more changes at RB. T Bell is the starter, and he will remain the starter for the entire season. This is no RBBC. He will not get all the carries (no one does), but he will get far more than Cobbs or M Bell or anyone else, barring injury of course.