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I love R. Grant, but is he startable in wk 1 (1 Viewer)

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elmanx

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I don't mean for this to be a WDIS post, since I think it will have a lot of general applicablity.

I'm pretty high on Grant and have him as an RB2 in many leagues, question is the Minn D scares me, so in this case I'm seeing a lot of lesser backs with better matchups, so I'm thinking of violating the 'don't bench your stud' rule.

Anyway, here's a full list of options that I think are better than R. Grant in wk 1. I'm only listing backs that are on lower tiers and likely drafted after R. Grant.

C. Perry vs BAL

R. Rice vs CIN

R. Williams vs NYJ

K. Smith vs ATL

M. Morris vs BUF

M. Turner vs DET

M. Forte vs IND

S. Young vs OAK

D. Mac vs DEN

T. Jones vs MIA

E. James vs SF

E. Graham vs NO

L. Maroney vs KC

Any additions or subtractions?

You're probably thinking if you thought Grant was this low, why did you like him so much? Really the problem is just Minn. I would start R. Grant in ANY other situation over ANY of the above backs.

 
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elmanx said:
I don't mean for this to be a WDIS post, since I think it will have a lot of general applicablity. I'm pretty high on Grant and have him as an RB2 in many leagues, question is the Minn D scares me, so in this case I'm seeing a lot of lesser backs with better matchups, so I'm thinking of violating the 'don't bench your stud' rule. Anyway, here's a full list of options that I think are better than R. Grant in wk 1. I'm only listing backs that are on lower tiers and likely drafted after R. Grant.C. Perry vs BALR. Rice vs CINR. Williams vs NYJK. Smith vs ATLM. Morris vs BUFM. Turner vs DETM. Forte vs INDS. Young vs OAKD. Mac vs DENT. Jones vs MIAE. James vs SFE. Graham vs NOL. Maroney vs KCAny additions or subtractions?You're probably thinking if you thought Grant was this low, why did you like him so much? Really the problem is just Minn. I would start R. Grant in ANY other situation over ANY of the above backs.
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If I think enough of someone to draft them in the 1st 3 rounds of my draft, they're worth starting in the opening week. Maybe not as the season goes and they suck, but on opening day?! Come on now.
 
Jon_Moore said:
If I think enough of someone to draft them in the 1st 3 rounds of my draft, they're worth starting in the opening week. Maybe not as the season goes and they suck, but on opening day?! Come on now.
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Yeah, I'd agree virtually every time. But I think this is a special case, that Minn D (especially rushing D) is scary good.
 
I've got a co-worker that Im helping in our work league. He has Grant, Dmac, Ricky and Rice as his RB's. Im gonna advise him to sit grant this week. I dont like his chances against minny as well.

 
I rarely if ever bench studs, but I can't say I would start very many against the Vikings run defense.

Of course, the way it usually happens is the player has 20/45 and gets a couple of TDs and throws that theory in my face. :lmao:

 
Having drafted Jacobs/Grant/Turner I feel I have 3 starting quality RBs. In my mind, why roll the dice on Grant being effective having not played in the preseason, coming off a holdout, and going up against the #1 run defense from last year. I understand I drafted him to be my starter, but I just haven't seen enough to feel confident yet.

 
I still have two drafts left. Definitely not taking Grant if I am seeing this much squeamishness against a D he plays twice this year.

IMHO, he's going way too low with an unproven QB. Favre made him and every other player on that offense.

 
Muahahaha said:
I still have two drafts left. Definitely not taking Grant if I am seeing this much squeamishness against a D he plays twice this year.IMHO, he's going way too low with an unproven QB. Favre made him and every other player on that offense.
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The issue here is more the Vikings D than Ryan Grant. For me, the only RBs I would start without hesitation against the vikes are LT, westy, SJax, MBIII, Gore, Addai. I wouldn't start Portis, Lynch, LJ, JLewis, MJD, etc. (i.e, your R. Grant alternatives). I project Grant to have a better year than all of them (yes, even Portis and Lynch, but I know that's not the prevailing wisdom) including the Minn games, but if I can get extra production out of someone else for those two games, then why not?
 
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I may have to start Muhammad or Mason instead of Grant. Hate to make that call but I can't see tarting him at this point.

 
Always start your studs.

I repeat, always start your studs.

I assume many who drafted Grant took him early. If you did you had confidence to build your team around him you should plan on using him every game.

 
gman74 said:
I may have to start Muhammad or Mason instead of Grant. Hate to make that call but I can't see tarting him at this point.
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I think the correct reponse for this is "lawlz". Or maybe it's "epic fail".
 
Interestingly enough, I have been doing some mock drafts on Sportsline and this guy's stock is falling like a rock. He's moved from early 2nd to middle 3rd in the last few days. Not sure why. Let me speculate.

Risk factors:

1) Holdout, hammy, not a lock of preseason work.

2) Not really seen as a 3rd down back.

3) What is the effect of the Brett Favre-Aaron Rodgers switch.

4) History of failures in

I think 3rd is probably right given the risk factors and seems like a good spot to pick him up. But I am curious as to the sudden drop. None of these risk factors are particularly new.

 
Normally, I'm a proponent of "don't bench your studs" as well - but I'm not touching Grant with a 10-foot pole this season; I think he's got "bust" written all over him. Even if I DID have Grant on my roster, I'd agree with you - I'd be cautious about starting him in Week 1. Odds are, you probably don't have a better option to start, but if you do, I'd take it.

From your list, I'd start any of the following over Grant, just so I could have a week to evaluate where Grant is at:

M. Turner vs. DET

E. James vs. SF

E. Graham vs. NO

 
I have him in only one keeper/$200cap league (Traded LJ and Driver away for Grant and Cotchery, made $29 in cap :goodposting: ), and i'm starting Graham over Grant..

 
gman74 said:
I may have to start Muhammad or Mason instead of Grant. Hate to make that call but I can't see tarting him at this point.
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Two old WRs with very limited upside, one with a rookie QB, the other missing the only offensive weapon on his team capable of drawing double coverage away from him and playing on the road against what should (could?) be a top defense.vs.

A 20 carry back playing at home vs what should be one of the best run defenses by the end of the season.

 
AKComic said:
Normally, I'm a proponent of "don't bench your studs" as well - but I'm not touching Grant with a 10-foot pole this season; I think he's got "bust" written all over him. Even if I DID have Grant on my roster, I'd agree with you - I'd be cautious about starting him in Week 1. Odds are, you probably don't have a better option to start, but if you do, I'd take it.From your list, I'd start any of the following over Grant, just so I could have a week to evaluate where Grant is at:M. Turner vs. DETE. James vs. SFE. Graham vs. NO
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Epic Fail.
 
ClownDogs said:
I just drafted Gore/Grant/Turner/LenWhale. Pretty sure I am gonna go with Turner week 1.
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hahaha, LenWhale! Wow, that's original! It is like calling Chris Perry Christina Perry. Bettis was shorter and heavier than White. What clever name can you come up for him?
 
I'd start whoever I think will get the most points. In this case I have Turner and he's starting over Grant.

IMO

Green Bays line is in flux so its hard to say whats going to happen. Starting right guard Sitton is out, backup guard Spitz (former starting right guard) could be at center (although some think he should be the starting center), and if Coledge is starting at left guard they could get manhandled up the middle. The Williams brothers wear down during the course of the year but this is the 1st game and they are fresh and Jared Allen is coming on the end which the tackles can handle unless he spins and comes up the middle.

It probably comes down to McCarthy's game plan and he's come up with some good ones. They did keep 2 full backs for the 3 back lineup they used successfully last year (allowing Grant to choose his side), I think against the Vikings. The 2 full back, 1 half back formation could neutralize the rush and allow Rogers time to throw which will then eventually open up the run.

 
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Week 1 is always screwy people. And defenses are very difficult to predict. If you are going to get one over on the Vikings D this year Week 1 is the time to do it.

 
Chaka said:
gman74 said:
I may have to start Muhammad or Mason instead of Grant. Hate to make that call but I can't see tarting him at this point.
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Two old WRs with very limited upside, one with a rookie QB, the other missing the only offensive weapon on his team capable of drawing double coverage away from him and playing on the road against what should (could?) be a top defense.vs.

A 20 carry back playing at home vs what should be one of the best run defenses by the end of the season.
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Gotta agree with this. I'm afraid of starting Grant, but not so afraid that I'd consider either of those two over him. Unless you have some sort of weird scoring system.
 
If you spend a first or second round pick on a guy and you don't play him every opportunity that he is healthy then your draft strategy is just Looney Tunes TM

 
Obviously this SHOULD be one of Grant's tougher matchups, but I would have a hard time benching someone I drafted in the first two rounds of the draft (or possibly the 3rd round depending on your league).

 
elmanx said:
Chaka said:
gman74 said:
I may have to start Muhammad or Mason instead of Grant. Hate to make that call but I can't see tarting him at this point.
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Two old WRs with very limited upside, one with a rookie QB, the other missing the only offensive weapon on his team capable of drawing double coverage away from him and playing on the road against what should (could?) be a top defense.vs.

A 20 carry back playing at home vs what should be one of the best run defenses by the end of the season.
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Gotta agree with this. I'm afraid of starting Grant, but not so afraid that I'd consider either of those two over him. Unless you have some sort of weird scoring system.
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I may start grant but, a gut who caught 100 balls and a #1 receiver on his team at the moment is not terrible options either

 
Billy1x said:
IMOGreen Bays line is in flux so its hard to say whats going to happen. Starting right guard Sitton is out, backup guard Spitz (former starting right guard) could be at center (although some think he should be the starting center), and if Coledge is starting at left guard they could get manhandled up the middle.
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The rookie Sitton was never considered a "starter" on this team and Wells has always been the preferred center. I think the starting five on the OL on Monday night (Clifton, Colledge, Wells, Spitz, Tauscher) has been the presumptive starting lineup all along. This is the same starting five that was on the field when Ryan Grant had 120 yards against the Vikings last November (34-0). The Vikings line was completely nullified that day.(also, we know that Tauscher faced Jared Allen last November in Kansas City and rendered him largely invisible)
 
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I'm starting Turner over Grant THIS WEEK. It's not just because of the tough Minny D but more of me not wanting to take a risk of the guy not being healthy and sitting for over half the game. I'd rather see him play an entire game first to show me he's healthy enough to contribute.

 
gman74 said:
elmanx said:
Chaka said:
gman74 said:
I may have to start Muhammad or Mason instead of Grant. Hate to make that call but I can't see tarting him at this point.
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Two old WRs with very limited upside, one with a rookie QB, the other missing the only offensive weapon on his team capable of drawing double coverage away from him and playing on the road against what should (could?) be a top defense.vs.

A 20 carry back playing at home vs what should be one of the best run defenses by the end of the season.
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Gotta agree with this. I'm afraid of starting Grant, but not so afraid that I'd consider either of those two over him. Unless you have some sort of weird scoring system.
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I may start grant but, a gut who caught 100 balls and a #1 receiver on his team at the moment is not terrible options either
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He caught 100+ balls and a whopping 10.6 YPR with 5TDs. While I agree that McNair was done and Boller is not very good, both were/are far better options than Joe Flacco in his first NFL game.You are hanging a lot of hope on the Bengals being very, very bad and Flacco being above average. Baltimore's game plan will focus on the ground game and passes to Todd Heap, just like Cameron did it with Rivers and Brees in San Diego. Historically WRs in Cameron's system don't get a lot of love, the sneaky play in this matchup is Todd Heap, not Derrick Mason.

I know this isn't the AC forum and I am belaboring this point, but I think benching Grant for either Mason or Muhammad is patently stupid.

 
What are most of the guys in this thread smokin?

Never sit your studs?

Never say never!

I'm a hobbled RB that is going up against a defense that doesn't have to put 8 in the box to stop me, but might just do it anyway because I have a rookie QB that's replacing a home town legend and the home time crowd will destroy his ego with the first mistake he makes.

Not to mention that you have a few good options to replace him in week 1 and I'm just not sure why this thread is even a debate!

This is week 1! Sit Grant as a starter see what he can do against this defense. If he performs here, you shouldn't worry about him the rest of the season.

 
chris1969 said:
What are most of the guys in this thread smokin?

Never sit your studs?

Never say never!

I'm a hobbled RB that is going up against a defense that doesn't have to put 8 in the box to stop me, but might just do it anyway because I have a rookie QB that's replacing a home town legend and the home time crowd will destroy his ego with the first mistake he makes.

Not to mention that you have a few good options to replace him in week 1 and I'm just not sure why this thread is even a debate!

This is week 1! Sit Grant as a starter see what he can do against this defense. If he performs here, you shouldn't worry about him the rest of the season.
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Hobbled? Rookie? Good options?Can I see some supporting evidence of any of these?

There is no mention of Grant in the Monday practice report from Green Bay (jsonline). Aaron Rodgers is entering his fourth season. This was not a WDIS thread and the only mention of alternatives to Grant I have noted were Mason and Muhammad, while I am a fan of both neither is a good option over a 20 carry RB.

 
Chaka said:
chris1969 said:
What are most of the guys in this thread smokin?

Never sit your studs?

Never say never!

I'm a hobbled RB that is going up against a defense that doesn't have to put 8 in the box to stop me, but might just do it anyway because I have a rookie QB that's replacing a home town legend and the home time crowd will destroy his ego with the first mistake he makes.

Not to mention that you have a few good options to replace him in week 1 and I'm just not sure why this thread is even a debate!

This is week 1! Sit Grant as a starter see what he can do against this defense. If he performs here, you shouldn't worry about him the rest of the season.
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Hobbled? Rookie? Good options?Can I see some supporting evidence of any of these?

There is no mention of Grant in the Monday practice report from Green Bay (jsonline). Aaron Rodgers is entering his fourth season. This was not a WDIS thread and the only mention of alternatives to Grant I have noted were Mason and Muhammad, while I am a fan of both neither is a good option over a 20 carry RB.
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ignore that amateur post about Mason and Muhammed. Most people who have Grant have him as a RB2. This week he faces one of, if not the, top rush defense in the league. He is coming off a Hamstring injury (which is an injury which tends to linger) and didn't play 1 snap of any preseason game. Seems reasonable enough to sit the guy for a RB3 with a better matchup this week, no?

 
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awesomeness said:
Chaka said:
chris1969 said:
What are most of the guys in this thread smokin?

Never sit your studs?

Never say never!

I'm a hobbled RB that is going up against a defense that doesn't have to put 8 in the box to stop me, but might just do it anyway because I have a rookie QB that's replacing a home town legend and the home time crowd will destroy his ego with the first mistake he makes.

Not to mention that you have a few good options to replace him in week 1 and I'm just not sure why this thread is even a debate!

This is week 1! Sit Grant as a starter see what he can do against this defense. If he performs here, you shouldn't worry about him the rest of the season.
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Hobbled? Rookie? Good options?Can I see some supporting evidence of any of these?

There is no mention of Grant in the Monday practice report from Green Bay (jsonline). Aaron Rodgers is entering his fourth season. This was not a WDIS thread and the only mention of alternatives to Grant I have noted were Mason and Muhammad, while I am a fan of both neither is a good option over a 20 carry RB.
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ignore that amateur post about Mason and Muhammed. Most people who have Grant have him as a RB2. This week he faces one of, if not the, top rush defense in the league. He is coming off a Hamstring injury (which is an injury which tends to linger) and didn't play 1 snap of any preseason game. Seems reasonable enough to sit the guy for a RB3 with a better matchup this week, no?
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Not for Turner. You would sit him only if you had equal quality. Turner in Atlanta with a true rookie quarterback and coach is far more "unproven" than Ryan Grant and offensive unit. Brett Favre is not the messiah.
 
ignore that amateur post about Mason and Muhammed

Dude don't write a check your butt can't cash.

 
I have to start Grant, I have no other choice, i've got Forte and Mendenhall for backups. With that said I think Grant is going to do better than what most people on here think.

But I am biased party, so he'll probably end up doing jack!

 
CletiusMaximus said:
Billy1x said:
IMO

Green Bays line is in flux so its hard to say whats going to happen. Starting right guard Sitton is out, backup guard Spitz (former starting right guard) could be at center (although some think he should be the starting center), and if Coledge is starting at left guard they could get manhandled up the middle.
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The rookie Sitton was never considered a "starter" on this team and Wells has always been the preferred center. I think the starting five on the OL on Monday night (Clifton, Colledge, Wells, Spitz, Tauscher) has been the presumptive starting lineup all along. This is the same starting five that was on the field when Ryan Grant had 120 yards against the Vikings last November (34-0). The Vikings line was completely nullified that day.(also, we know that Tauscher faced Jared Allen last November in Kansas City and rendered him largely invisible)
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Yes he was.
 
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