I thought Ted Thompson was a "Genuis" (1 Viewer)

[Sabertooth]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

Wait, since the Super Bowl win? Like when they went 15-1 the following year?The team has been decimated by injuries the past couple of years. Now, that should definitely raise some questions about our strength & conditioning approach, along with our piss-poor medical staff. But how is that TT's fault? To me that lands squarely on MM's shoulders.

Yeah an lost in the first game of the playoffs. I'm not sure why they have all the injuries either, but they do.every.single.year.

So, you agree with...yourself....that they declined after the Super Bowl win despite winning 15 of their next 16 games. Got it.

Well when you go from winning the Super Bowl to not winning the Super Bowl, yeah that's a decline. And then the next season they were worse. And the next. Seeing a pattern here? This is the worst this team has looked since before the Super Bowl run. Maybe since Rodgers' first season as the starter.

Seriously? The playoffs are a crapshoot. The team went 15-1, and you are calling it a decline. That is crazy.

give me a Super Bowl over 15-1 any year. Different definitions of success is all. And you are kind of missing the point anyway by fixating on that. I'd much rather discuss the years since the Super Bowl and the 15-2 season where they have steadily fallen off as a contender while Seattle, New Orleans, and San Fran have ascended. Everyone has injuries. That's why you have depth. Thompson and McCarthy whiffed on the Qb depth. And then tes came out and said "I didn't think about a backup Qb because I didn't want to jinx Rodgers" or some such come on Ted. I love ya but that's an answer you'd give a third grader. Probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard from him.He needs to do better or this team is going to continue to slide into mediocrity.

You're right. Everyone has injuries. Not to the degree GB has had them though and to the top players.Riddle me this.

How do you think New Orleans would do without their left tackle, Jimmy Graham, their top WR (Colston?) and without Drew Brees? Not to mention those being lost for only a few games.

How do you think Denver would do without their left tackle, Julius Thomas, Demaryius Thomas and Peyton Manning?

How do you think New England would do without their left tackle, Rob Gronkowski, Amendola and Tom Brady?

Not as good. But would they be winless? I'm not so sure. If anything this recent Rodgers injury shows us that the Packers are not as deep and talented as we thought. I didn't realize this but Rodgers appears to be worth about 10 wins all by himself. He covers up a lot of deficiencies.

 

[sho nuff]

I think it shows they actually have some depth to be in every single game without their best player in Rodgers...one of their most explosive in Cobb...missed Matthews for several games. Lost one of their best OL before the season started...and then lost Finley too.

Also lost Jones for a couple games and what happened? They found out Boykin is a pretty good player too.

Defensively...probably not as deep...they have been down to their 4th and 5th OLBs at one point...though, even with the starters that unit has looked weak.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think it shows they actually have some depth to be in every single game without their best player in Rodgers...one of their most explosive in Cobb...missed Matthews for several games. Lost one of their best OL before the season started...and then lost Finley too.

Also lost Jones for a couple games and what happened? They found out Boykin is a pretty good player too.

Defensively...probably not as deep...they have been down to their 4th and 5th OLBs at one point...though, even with the starters that unit has looked weak.

Losing close is still losing. The thing is this, the offense has played well enough to win at least two of the games since Rodgers went out. It's the defense or lack there of that is consistently failing. Rodgers covers that flaw by scoring mad points. But it's still a flaw.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I think it shows they actually have some depth to be in every single game without their best player in Rodgers...one of their most explosive in Cobb...missed Matthews for several games. Lost one of their best OL before the season started...and then lost Finley too.

Also lost Jones for a couple games and what happened? They found out Boykin is a pretty good player too.

Defensively...probably not as deep...they have been down to their 4th and 5th OLBs at one point...though, even with the starters that unit has looked weak.

Losing close is still losing. The thing is this, the offense has played well enough to win at least two of the games since Rodgers went out. It's the defense or lack there of that is consistently failing. Rodgers covers that flaw by scoring mad points. But it's still a flaw.

Wait, which were the 2 games where the offense played well enough to win? Week 12 when they scored 7 points in the first 49 minutes of the game?Week 11 where they scored 6 points in the first 47 minutes?

Week 10 where they scored 13 points in total, including 10 points in the first 48 minutes?

Oh, you must mean week 9 where the offense amazingly scored 20 points, threw for fewer than 115 yards, and failed to score in the last 24 minutes of the game. Man, I wish the defense could have held up their end of the bargain with C Matthews either sidelined or playing with on arm, C Hayward injured or hobbling, and S Shields, J Jolly each missing two of those games. Yep, this is all on the defense.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think it shows they actually have some depth to be in every single game without their best player in Rodgers...one of their most explosive in Cobb...missed Matthews for several games. Lost one of their best OL before the season started...and then lost Finley too.

Also lost Jones for a couple games and what happened? They found out Boykin is a pretty good player too.

Defensively...probably not as deep...they have been down to their 4th and 5th OLBs at one point...though, even with the starters that unit has looked weak.

Losing close is still losing. The thing is this, the offense has played well enough to win at least two of the games since Rodgers went out. It's the defense or lack there of that is consistently failing. Rodgers covers that flaw by scoring mad points. But it's still a flaw.

Wait, which were the 2 games where the offense played well enough to win? Week 12 when they scored 7 points in the first 49 minutes of the game?Week 11 where they scored 6 points in the first 47 minutes?

Week 10 where they scored 13 points in total, including 10 points in the first 48 minutes?

Oh, you must mean week 9 where the offense amazingly scored 20 points, threw for fewer than 115 yards, and failed to score in the last 24 minutes of the game. Man, I wish the defense could have held up their end of the bargain with C Matthews either sidelined or playing with on arm, C Hayward injured or hobbling, and S Shields, J Jolly each missing two of those games. Yep, this is all on the defense.

Games are 60 minutes. I was speaking about the Chicago game where the defense allowed an 18 play drive to ice the game. And this past week where they allowed a the Vikings to rushed for 237 yards. Those two.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I think it shows they actually have some depth to be in every single game without their best player in Rodgers...one of their most explosive in Cobb...missed Matthews for several games. Lost one of their best OL before the season started...and then lost Finley too.

Also lost Jones for a couple games and what happened? They found out Boykin is a pretty good player too.

Defensively...probably not as deep...they have been down to their 4th and 5th OLBs at one point...though, even with the starters that unit has looked weak.

Losing close is still losing. The thing is this, the offense has played well enough to win at least two of the games since Rodgers went out. It's the defense or lack there of that is consistently failing. Rodgers covers that flaw by scoring mad points. But it's still a flaw.

Wait, which were the 2 games where the offense played well enough to win? Week 12 when they scored 7 points in the first 49 minutes of the game?Week 11 where they scored 6 points in the first 47 minutes?

Week 10 where they scored 13 points in total, including 10 points in the first 48 minutes?

Oh, you must mean week 9 where the offense amazingly scored 20 points, threw for fewer than 115 yards, and failed to score in the last 24 minutes of the game. Man, I wish the defense could have held up their end of the bargain with C Matthews either sidelined or playing with on arm, C Hayward injured or hobbling, and S Shields, J Jolly each missing two of those games. Yep, this is all on the defense.

Games are 60 minutes. I was speaking about the Chicago game where the defense allowed an 18 play drive to ice the game. And this past week where they allowed a the Vikings to rushed for 237 yards. Those two.

Uh, ok

 

[sho nuff]

I think it shows they actually have some depth to be in every single game without their best player in Rodgers...one of their most explosive in Cobb...missed Matthews for several games. Lost one of their best OL before the season started...and then lost Finley too.

Also lost Jones for a couple games and what happened? They found out Boykin is a pretty good player too.

Defensively...probably not as deep...they have been down to their 4th and 5th OLBs at one point...though, even with the starters that unit has looked weak.

Losing close is still losing. The thing is this, the offense has played well enough to win at least two of the games since Rodgers went out. It's the defense or lack there of that is consistently failing. Rodgers covers that flaw by scoring mad points. But it's still a flaw.

I agree its still losing.

I think to claim that losing games and losing all those guys is a sign of lack of depth though is wrong.

Losing all those guys, including Rodgers and they are still in every single game on the backs of the depth.

Sure, Id love winning those games. I love if we had a better backup QB. Id also love it if TT could afford to keep Rodgers, Matthews, Nelson, Jones, Raji, Cobb.....but the reality is, when you pay what they are paying to Clay and Rodgers...other places have to take a hit.

Offense has played decently...until Flynn came in though they were sucking at putting points on the board...and sustaining drives (which also helps the defense)

 

[Sabertooth]

Oof. This team is a disgrace.

 

[Sabertooth]

This is the team Thompson has built.

 

[hauser42]

McCarthy needs to go he has been exposed as a poor play caller without Rodgers. He got the running back he wanted and he uses him like an idiot.

Issues with McCarthy.

Uses shotgun formation about 75% of the time. He runs the ball from this formation. When is he going to use a two back set and run some play action. Maybe couple play action rollouts.

Lions ran an offense like McCarthy should. Quick slants. Screens and play action.

Mcarthy is wasting all the talent that Ted has brought in. Mccathy can be fired tomorrow and I will help him load his bags into his car.

 

[sho nuff]

McCarthy is not going anywhere.
These similar criticisms were there before the won the Super Bowl with him.

McCarthy shouldn't be fired this season or tomorrow despite how terrible the O looked today.

Capers on the other hand...yank the rug from his head, stick it on the wall and don't let him on the plane home.

 

[hauser42]

Sho you have to be blind not to see how McCarthy is lost right now without Rodgers bailing him out. Answer me why there has been very little play action plays on first or second down. Why does he run 5 wide outs inside the ten yard line. No short slants to wide receivers .

He has been a bad playcaller for last couple years it has been Rodgers who saves him.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Betcha TT's deer in headlights eyes were in full affect at Ford Field today.

 

[sho nuff]

Sho you have to be blind not to see how McCarthy is lost right now without Rodgers bailing him out. Answer me why there has been very little play action plays on first or second down. Why does he run 5 wide outs inside the ten yard line. No short slants to wide receivers .

He has been a bad playcaller for last couple years it has been Rodgers who saves him.

And he will have Rodgers back. The team loves him...players and Thompson. He has earned more time.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Ted Thompson [is] a "Genuis"

True. Teddy & McCarthy really lucked into Rodgers. They are both genuises.

 

[discountdoublecheck]

Silver lining... Atleast Rodgers did not attempt to play. The O-line was clearly over matched. His collarbone would have taken some shots for sure.

AJ Hawk is awful. I'm thinking of putting together a low-lights video of all the pansy ### attempts he makes at tackles and sending it to Thompson. The defense is built around freeing him up to make plays. And he is the worst player! Sorry end of disgruntled Packer fan rant.

 

[sho nuff]

Silver lining... Atleast Rodgers did not attempt to play. The O-line was clearly over matched. His collarbone would have taken some shots for sure.

AJ Hawk is awful. I'm thinking of putting together a low-lights video of all the pansy ### attempts he makes at tackles and sending it to Thompson. The defense is built around freeing him up to make plays. And he is the worst player! Sorry end of disgruntled Packer fan rant.

He has fallen off the last few games. Started the year strong correlating to how well the Dione was playing. The whole d stunk.

 

[hauser42]

Sho you have to be blind not to see how McCarthy is lost right now without Rodgers bailing him out. Answer me why there has been very little play action plays on first or second down. Why does he run 5 wide outs inside the ten yard line. No short slants to wide receivers .

He has been a bad playcaller for last couple years it has been Rodgers who saves him.

And hewill have Rodgers back. The team loves him...players and Thompson. He has earned more time.

How has he earned more time when he has been exposed? It is basic football to run play action and roll outs. He cost them the Chicago game by going into a shell. They moved the ball on the ground but he nver used play action or passes on early downs to keep d honest. This pattern has kept up during the loosing streak.

He thinks only way to win is back shoulder passes and deep routes. There is no creativity with him and rest of the league knows his game plan. Mccarthy the head coach will fail because of McCarthy the play caller much like Sherman the tm killed Sherman the coach.

 

[sho nuff]

He was calling plays when they won a Super Bowl too.

That earned him a bit especially with no qb.

 

[Interseptopus]

The problem with continuing to refer to the Super Bowl to give McCarthy more credit is that the Super Bowl was several years ago, not really that recent. Every year since it's been the same thing: throw the ball like crazy and just out score your opponent to make up for the D.

The thing that is apparent to me over the last few years is that McCarthy and Capers are exposed. The nfl has adjusted to their schemes and play calling. Capers runs the same defense as he did during the Super Bowl. Yes, you can say he has less to work with, but he was the "defense guru." You're telling me the defense guru can't figure out how to run an effective scheme with this group of guys and keep them in the top half of the league?

McCarthy ran an offense no one could keep up with. Look back at that Super Bowl; go to walmart and watch it on their Tvs, it's always running. No one could keep up with it. Well, the league has adapted and has learned to 1) expect it from the packers, and 2) figured out a way to stop it

The nfl is always evolving. The last could of years the flavor of the month was the option read QB. GB couldn't stop Kaepernik,but look at him this year, he looks like an average QB and nothing more. When Vick came into the league people couldn't figure out how to contain him. Not after his first 1-2 years. The wildcat. It was unpredictable. Now it's looked at as nothing more than a gimmick.

The packers used to run a lot of short slants, post patterns, even screens. All of that set up the deep routes. Now, all we see is deep bombs and any screens are the little bubble screen to Jordy, which will get you 1-2 yard 7/8 times and 1/8 it'll get you 15 yards.

With Lacy, we finally have a running game... But it seems like McCarthy doesn't really know how to use it. Run run pass punt isn't a good game plan. Not when you're losing.

The loss of Cobb and Finley are huge. Right there is your inside presence. Jordy catches the seam/back shoulder. Jones is about all they have for a crossing pattern right now. Boykin, they tried to use him in cobbs role but he can't do it.

As much as I'll yell at Finley for dropping the ball, he wasn't afraid to go middle. Seems like everyone but jones doesn't like to go middle. That leaves us with seam routes and that's it.

McCarthy doesn't deserve to be fired this season. Capers should be let go. GB just needs to get healthy and find an identity on both sides of the ball. That's the problem. During the Super Bowl run their offense had an identity. Problem is everyone has adapted except McCarthy. Same with the defense. It had an identity. I don't think you can fix that through FA or as Ted likes to do it, the draft

 

[Interseptopus]

On d:

CB is a big issue IMO. Tramon Williams just can't cut it anymore. He is grossly over paid and continues to just run after WRs or cause interference. He's blamed a shoulder injury the last 3 years. Excuses are over. However, shields is a FA after this year, and he already turned down a reasonable extension from GB this preseason. So seems like he wants big money. To keep cap space for other FAs I think you have to let him walk. We have House, but we need another CB. I think a 2nd or 3rd round draft choice would do well there.

BJ Raji... I like him and he's a hard worker, but I just don't think he fits the scheme. I would love to see him back, but I wouldn't scream the sky is falling if he left. They offed 8 mil a season. I think what's going to happen is he's going to hit FA and come crawling back like jones did. GB will have the highest offer to him. I just don't think he wants to play where capers is playing him, but don't resign Pickett and put Raji back at NT where he is most effective.

Need to resign EDS. Can't let this OL get any worse.

I'd love to see GB grab a good OL in the draft, but we've struck out on that first pick OL too many times to afford to chance doing it again. So I think GB has to go best player available, preferably a LB, CB, OL, TE, DL in no order. Personally, I'd like their first three to go:

OL

TE

CB

If they lose Raji then I'd say DL OL CB TE.

If they lose Jones, have to figure a WR in there somewhere too... So many holes that all depend on who they can get to resign.

 

[Sabertooth]

On d:

CB is a big issue IMO. Tramon Williams just can't cut it anymore. He is grossly over paid and continues to just run after WRs or cause interference. He's blamed a shoulder injury the last 3 years. Excuses are over. However, shields is a FA after this year, and he already turned down a reasonable extension from GB this preseason. So seems like he wants big money. To keep cap space for other FAs I think you have to let him walk. We have House, but we need another CB. I think a 2nd or 3rd round draft choice would do well there.

BJ Raji... I like him and he's a hard worker, but I just don't think he fits the scheme. I would love to see him back, but I wouldn't scream the sky is falling if he left. They offed 8 mil a season. I think what's going to happen is he's going to hit FA and come crawling back like jones did. GB will have the highest offer to him. I just don't think he wants to play where capers is playing him, but don't resign Pickett and put Raji back at NT where he is most effective.

Need to resign EDS. Can't let this OL get any worse.

I'd love to see GB grab a good OL in the draft, but we've struck out on that first pick OL too many times to afford to chance doing it again. So I think GB has to go best player available, preferably a LB, CB, OL, TE, DL in no order. Personally, I'd like their first three to go:

OL

TE

CB

If they lose Raji then I'd say DL OL CB TE.

If they lose Jones, have to figure a WR in there somewhere too... So many holes that all depend on who they can get to resign.

I don't think Raji is going to find the market cool for a defensive tackle with his skill. If he hits the market he's gone. But to be honest even with him this defense is terrible. So maybe he's not as good as advertised.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Why Raji? What has he done in the last two years? He does not penetrate. He holds himself at the line of scrimmage, which is nice, particularly against double teams, but unfortunately they can slide him sideways to create lanes. He is way over rated and because of that someone will overpay for him. Overpaying for talent is the road to losing.

 

[Sabertooth]

You answered your own question at he end there.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Are you denying the team has been in decline since the Super Bowl win? I am not calling for Ted's job or anything like that. That is a total straw man. I am just stating that he needs to hit on some of these early picks instead of wasting them on guys like Bulaga and Sherrod. They've gotten nothing out of their first round since 2009. It might have something to do with their medical vetting because Jones, Perry, Bulaga, and Sherrod have had their share of injuries. Might be training staff or something like that too. But they haven't had a first rounder produce since Raji and Matthews in 2009.

They have a lot of role players and those guys are decent but the lack of star power on defense rears it's head when Matthews goes out. If he can hit that first rounder out of the park, they'll get the injection of talent they need to push them over the top. If not, they simply won't ever be much better than they are now. They are good but not great. Their record in the playoffs since that super bowl is 1-2 with the only victory being over the Vikings last year. Not good enough and indicative of a team in decline.

I think the picks are a lot of luck to be honest. Good luck, bad luck, whatever. But when you get lucky, you look like a Genuis. Ted just hasn't gotten lucky lately. I'd love to see him get multiple shots in the first round again. I think to be quite frank, that the best draft strategy is to throw a lot of #### at the wall and see what sticks. That is what Ted did when he got to Green Bay and it worked. Lately, not so much.

Wait, since the Super Bowl win? Like when they went 15-1 the following year?The team has been decimated by injuries the past couple of years. Now, that should definitely raise some questions about our strength & conditioning approach, along with our piss-poor medical staff. But how is that TT's fault? To me that lands squarely on MM's shoulders.

Yeah an lost in the first game of the playoffs. I'm not sure why they have all the injuries either, but they do.every.single.year.

So, you agree with...yourself....that they declined after the Super Bowl win despite winning 15 of their next 16 games. Got it.

Well when you go from winning the Super Bowl to not winning the Super Bowl, yeah that's a decline. And then the next season they were worse. And the next. Seeing a pattern here? This is the worst this team has looked since before the Super Bowl run. Maybe since Rodgers' first season as the starter.

Seriously? The playoffs are a crapshoot. The team went 15-1, and you are calling it a decline. That is crazy.

give me a Super Bowl over 15-1 any year. Different definitions of success is all. And you are kind of missing the point anyway by fixating on that. I'd much rather discuss the years since the Super Bowl and the 15-2 season where they have steadily fallen off as a contender while Seattle, New Orleans, and San Fran have ascended. Everyone has injuries. That's why you have depth. Thompson and McCarthy whiffed on the Qb depth. And then tes came out and said "I didn't think about a backup Qb because I didn't want to jinx Rodgers" or some such come on Ted. I love ya but that's an answer you'd give a third grader. Probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard from him.He needs to do better or this team is going to continue to slide into mediocrity.

I don't think anyone would disagree that they would take a Super Bowl over a 15-1 record. But that in no way means that the Super Bowl team is better than the 15-1 team just because they happened to get hot during the right 4 week stretch. Green Bay was a better team the year after they won the Super Bowl than they year that they won it.

 

[Sabertooth]

Ok even if I give you that the team was better right up through the one and done playoff performance the year after the Super Bowl, would you agree they have declined since that time? I kind of groups the whole Super Bowl run and 15-1 together. The team was on fire. That fire is gone now. And they looked as bad yesterday as I've seen them look since George Bush was in office. Not the kid. The dad.

 

[sho nuff]

On d:

CB is a big issue IMO. Tramon Williams just can't cut it anymore. He is grossly over paid and continues to just run after WRs or cause interference. He's blamed a shoulder injury the last 3 years. Excuses are over. However, shields is a FA after this year, and he already turned down a reasonable extension from GB this preseason. So seems like he wants big money. To keep cap space for other FAs I think you have to let him walk. We have House, but we need another CB. I think a 2nd or 3rd round draft choice would do well there.

BJ Raji... I like him and he's a hard worker, but I just don't think he fits the scheme. I would love to see him back, but I wouldn't scream the sky is falling if he left. They offed 8 mil a season. I think what's going to happen is he's going to hit FA and come crawling back like jones did. GB will have the highest offer to him. I just don't think he wants to play where capers is playing him, but don't resign Pickett and put Raji back at NT where he is most effective.

Need to resign EDS. Can't let this OL get any worse.

I'd love to see GB grab a good OL in the draft, but we've struck out on that first pick OL too many times to afford to chance doing it again. So I think GB has to go best player available, preferably a LB, CB, OL, TE, DL in no order. Personally, I'd like their first three to go:

OL

TE

CB

If they lose Raji then I'd say DL OL CB TE.

If they lose Jones, have to figure a WR in there somewhere too... So many holes that all depend on who they can get to resign.

A lot of problems on this team, and CB is one of them is injuries.

And I don't mean to make the excuse...oh, they are hurt, they will be better.

I mean we have guys we just can't count on to stay healthy.

Hayward...as talented as he is...can we count on him next year not to continue having Hammy issues?

Matthews has had multiple Hamstring issues...we know there will be games without him.

Pickett is simply done.

Jolly who knows.

Tramon as you said just has never been the same. He had a streak a few games ago and was finally looking like he was playing physical again. But has dropped off.

Same thing with the OL. Can we really count on Bulaga? The OL would look ok with Bahktiari, Sitton, EDS, Lang, Bulaga on int.

But they have some big time depth issues. I don't ever want to see Newhouse on the field in Green and Gold again.

 

[Interseptopus]

Why Raji? What has he done in the last two years? He does not penetrate. He holds himself at the line of scrimmage, which is nice, particularly against double teams, but unfortunately they can slide him sideways to create lanes. He is way over rated and because of that someone will overpay for him. Overpaying for talent is the road to losing.

Look at Rajis stats. Hs best year he was a NT. Since he was moved to DT he's been not so great and out for 1/3 of the plays. Put him back at NT and I think you see a completely different player. Pickett can't play anywhere else, and their line is it's best with Pickett and Raji in, so Raji is moved to the DT.

Pickett is gone after this year, we don't have any other NT on the team. So, unless you think we should spend a high draft pick on a NT, which is not smart since we have so many holes, our best option is Raji or a FA.... Do you really expect Ted to bring in a NT who wasn't on someone's practice squad or second string?

On d:

CB is a big issue IMO. Tramon Williams just can't cut it anymore. He is grossly over paid and continues to just run after WRs or cause interference. He's blamed a shoulder injury the last 3 years. Excuses are over. However, shields is a FA after this year, and he already turned down a reasonable extension from GB this preseason. So seems like he wants big money. To keep cap space for other FAs I think you have to let him walk. We have House, but we need another CB. I think a 2nd or 3rd round draft choice would do well there.

BJ Raji... I like him and he's a hard worker, but I just don't think he fits the scheme. I would love to see him back, but I wouldn't scream the sky is falling if he left. They offed 8 mil a season. I think what's going to happen is he's going to hit FA and come crawling back like jones did. GB will have the highest offer to him. I just don't think he wants to play where capers is playing him, but don't resign Pickett and put Raji back at NT where he is most effective.

Need to resign EDS. Can't let this OL get any worse.

I'd love to see GB grab a good OL in the draft, but we've struck out on that first pick OL too many times to afford to chance doing it again. So I think GB has to go best player available, preferably a LB, CB, OL, TE, DL in no order. Personally, I'd like their first three to go:

OL

TE

CB

If they lose Raji then I'd say DL OL CB TE.

If they lose Jones, have to figure a WR in there somewhere too... So many holes that all depend on who they can get to resign.

A lot of problems on this team, and CB is one of them is injuries.

And I don't mean to make the excuse...oh, they are hurt, they will be better.

I mean we have guys we just can't count on to stay healthy.

Hayward...as talented as he is...can we count on him next year not to continue having Hammy issues?

Matthews has had multiple Hamstring issues...we know there will be games without him.

Pickett is simply done.

Jolly who knows.

Tramon as you said just has never been the same. He had a streak a few games ago and was finally looking like he was playing physical again. But has dropped off.

Same thing with the OL. Can we really count on Bulaga? The OL would look ok with Bahktiari, Sitton, EDS, Lang, Bulaga on int.

But they have some big time depth issues. I don't ever want to see Newhouse on the field in Green and Gold again.

Agree completely. Can't count on Hayward. Matthews has ridiculous hamstring flexibility (can get his knee to his face) but he always has hamstring issues. Sam shields can't stay healthy, so let him walk, we don't need any more injury prone guys.

Thing is, there seems to always be some pretty decent CBs available in FA. Not top notch guys but guys who can start and be pretty darn good. I wish Ted would sign just one. They aren't expensive.

The OL would look great if they could stay healthy. Newhouse is Tony Moll 2.0 to me. Should never put a jersey on again.

It's hard to know where to begin with this team. I think this team is in a perfect position to cut some dead weight, sign some key FAs, and have a good draft. This is the offseason Thompson needs to bring in some quality FAs. I'm not asking for the best player at each position, but guys like when he signed Pickett... Quality guys who are off their first contract and are pretty solid. We don't need third stringers or retreads. We can't keep thinking the solution is in the draft either

 

[The Kerminator]

The problem with continuing to refer to the Super Bowl to give McCarthy more credit is that the Super Bowl was several years ago, not really that recent. Every year since it's been the same thing: throw the ball like crazy and just out score your opponent to make up for the D.

The thing that is apparent to me over the last few years is that McCarthy and Capers are exposed. The nfl has adjusted to their schemes and play calling. Capers runs the same defense as he did during the Super Bowl. Yes, you can say he has less to work with, but he was the "defense guru." You're telling me the defense guru can't figure out how to run an effective scheme with this group of guys and keep them in the top half of the league?

McCarthy ran an offense no one could keep up with. Look back at that Super Bowl; go to walmart and watch it on their Tvs, it's always running. No one could keep up with it. Well, the league has adapted and has learned to 1) expect it from the packers, and 2) figured out a way to stop it

The nfl is always evolving. The last could of years the flavor of the month was the option read QB. GB couldn't stop Kaepernik,but look at him this year, he looks like an average QB and nothing more. When Vick came into the league people couldn't figure out how to contain him. Not after his first 1-2 years. The wildcat. It was unpredictable. Now it's looked at as nothing more than a gimmick.

The packers used to run a lot of short slants, post patterns, even screens. All of that set up the deep routes. Now, all we see is deep bombs and any screens are the little bubble screen to Jordy, which will get you 1-2 yard 7/8 times and 1/8 it'll get you 15 yards.

With Lacy, we finally have a running game... But it seems like McCarthy doesn't really know how to use it. Run run pass punt isn't a good game plan. Not when you're losing.

The loss of Cobb and Finley are huge. Right there is your inside presence. Jordy catches the seam/back shoulder. Jones is about all they have for a crossing pattern right now. Boykin, they tried to use him in cobbs role but he can't do it.

As much as I'll yell at Finley for dropping the ball, he wasn't afraid to go middle. Seems like everyone but jones doesn't like to go middle. That leaves us with seam routes and that's it.

McCarthy doesn't deserve to be fired this season. Capers should be let go. GB just needs to get healthy and find an identity on both sides of the ball. That's the problem. During the Super Bowl run their offense had an identity. Problem is everyone has adapted except McCarthy. Same with the defense. It had an identity. I don't think you can fix that through FA or as Ted likes to do it, the draft

I agree with most of what you posted. Couple things though on the bolded. It certainly seems like McCarthy has got into the run run pass punt mode but it seems like the last couple of games since Rodgers injury he has played not to lose as opposed to playing to win. Given the state of the backup QB it might be necessary. So that might play in to it. As far as McCarthy not being able to adapt I think a lot of what you are seeing on offense this year is a result of all the injuries they have had (Bulaga, Cobb, Finley, Rodgers, James Jones for a few, etc.) GB had planned on running a lot of up tempo, no-huddle this year with Rodgers calling plays at the line of scrimmage. Can't do that as much with a rookie left tackle, replacement WRs, etc. I'd withhold judging McCarthy being able to adapt until next year.

 

[Interseptopus]

The problem with continuing to refer to the Super Bowl to give McCarthy more credit is that the Super Bowl was several years ago, not really that recent. Every year since it's been the same thing: throw the ball like crazy and just out score your opponent to make up for the D.

The thing that is apparent to me over the last few years is that McCarthy and Capers are exposed. The nfl has adjusted to their schemes and play calling. Capers runs the same defense as he did during the Super Bowl. Yes, you can say he has less to work with, but he was the "defense guru." You're telling me the defense guru can't figure out how to run an effective scheme with this group of guys and keep them in the top half of the league?

McCarthy ran an offense no one could keep up with. Look back at that Super Bowl; go to walmart and watch it on their Tvs, it's always running. No one could keep up with it. Well, the league has adapted and has learned to 1) expect it from the packers, and 2) figured out a way to stop it

The nfl is always evolving. The last could of years the flavor of the month was the option read QB. GB couldn't stop Kaepernik,but look at him this year, he looks like an average QB and nothing more. When Vick came into the league people couldn't figure out how to contain him. Not after his first 1-2 years. The wildcat. It was unpredictable. Now it's looked at as nothing more than a gimmick.

The packers used to run a lot of short slants, post patterns, even screens. All of that set up the deep routes. Now, all we see is deep bombs and any screens are the little bubble screen to Jordy, which will get you 1-2 yard 7/8 times and 1/8 it'll get you 15 yards.

With Lacy, we finally have a running game... But it seems like McCarthy doesn't really know how to use it. Run run pass punt isn't a good game plan. Not when you're losing.

The loss of Cobb and Finley are huge. Right there is your inside presence. Jordy catches the seam/back shoulder. Jones is about all they have for a crossing pattern right now. Boykin, they tried to use him in cobbs role but he can't do it.

As much as I'll yell at Finley for dropping the ball, he wasn't afraid to go middle. Seems like everyone but jones doesn't like to go middle. That leaves us with seam routes and that's it.

McCarthy doesn't deserve to be fired this season. Capers should be let go. GB just needs to get healthy and find an identity on both sides of the ball. That's the problem. During the Super Bowl run their offense had an identity. Problem is everyone has adapted except McCarthy. Same with the defense. It had an identity. I don't think you can fix that through FA or as Ted likes to do it, the draft

I agree with most of what you posted. Couple things though on the bolded. It certainly seems like McCarthy has got into the run run pass punt mode but it seems like the last couple of games since Rodgers injury he has played not to lose as opposed to playing to win. Given the state of the backup QB it might be necessary. So that might play in to it. As far as McCarthy not being able to adapt I think a lot of what you are seeing on offense this year is a result of all the injuries they have had (Bulaga, Cobb, Finley, Rodgers, James Jones for a few, etc.) GB had planned on running a lot of up tempo, no-huddle this year with Rodgers calling plays at the line of scrimmage. Can't do that as much with a rookie left tackle, replacement WRs, etc. I'd withhold judging McCarthy being able to adapt until next year.

You make good points. Yes, I remember the idea of a lot of no huddle, and I agree that he is probably running plays based on the QB issue and injuries.

It's apparent that teams are just coming at the QB and our line is so awful that they are doing well with that strategy. I don't see why he hasn't run more screens, flats, slants. Three step drops instead of 5-7. Sure, it's dink and dunk but our backups can't throw the deep ball for the most part. Frustrating watching it.

 

[The Kerminator]

The problem with continuing to refer to the Super Bowl to give McCarthy more credit is that the Super Bowl was several years ago, not really that recent. Every year since it's been the same thing: throw the ball like crazy and just out score your opponent to make up for the D.

The thing that is apparent to me over the last few years is that McCarthy and Capers are exposed. The nfl has adjusted to their schemes and play calling. Capers runs the same defense as he did during the Super Bowl. Yes, you can say he has less to work with, but he was the "defense guru." You're telling me the defense guru can't figure out how to run an effective scheme with this group of guys and keep them in the top half of the league?

McCarthy ran an offense no one could keep up with. Look back at that Super Bowl; go to walmart and watch it on their Tvs, it's always running. No one could keep up with it. Well, the league has adapted and has learned to 1) expect it from the packers, and 2) figured out a way to stop it

The nfl is always evolving. The last could of years the flavor of the month was the option read QB. GB couldn't stop Kaepernik,but look at him this year, he looks like an average QB and nothing more. When Vick came into the league people couldn't figure out how to contain him. Not after his first 1-2 years. The wildcat. It was unpredictable. Now it's looked at as nothing more than a gimmick.

The packers used to run a lot of short slants, post patterns, even screens. All of that set up the deep routes. Now, all we see is deep bombs and any screens are the little bubble screen to Jordy, which will get you 1-2 yard 7/8 times and 1/8 it'll get you 15 yards.

With Lacy, we finally have a running game... But it seems like McCarthy doesn't really know how to use it. Run run pass punt isn't a good game plan. Not when you're losing.

The loss of Cobb and Finley are huge. Right there is your inside presence. Jordy catches the seam/back shoulder. Jones is about all they have for a crossing pattern right now. Boykin, they tried to use him in cobbs role but he can't do it.

As much as I'll yell at Finley for dropping the ball, he wasn't afraid to go middle. Seems like everyone but jones doesn't like to go middle. That leaves us with seam routes and that's it.

McCarthy doesn't deserve to be fired this season. Capers should be let go. GB just needs to get healthy and find an identity on both sides of the ball. That's the problem. During the Super Bowl run their offense had an identity. Problem is everyone has adapted except McCarthy. Same with the defense. It had an identity. I don't think you can fix that through FA or as Ted likes to do it, the draft

I agree with most of what you posted. Couple things though on the bolded. It certainly seems like McCarthy has got into the run run pass punt mode but it seems like the last couple of games since Rodgers injury he has played not to lose as opposed to playing to win. Given the state of the backup QB it might be necessary. So that might play in to it. As far as McCarthy not being able to adapt I think a lot of what you are seeing on offense this year is a result of all the injuries they have had (Bulaga, Cobb, Finley, Rodgers, James Jones for a few, etc.) GB had planned on running a lot of up tempo, no-huddle this year with Rodgers calling plays at the line of scrimmage. Can't do that as much with a rookie left tackle, replacement WRs, etc. I'd withhold judging McCarthy being able to adapt until next year.

You make good points. Yes, I remember the idea of a lot of no huddle, and I agree that he is probably running plays based on the QB issue and injuries.

It's apparent that teams are just coming at the QB and our line is so awful that they are doing well with that strategy. I don't see why he hasn't run more screens, flats, slants. Three step drops instead of 5-7. Sure, it's dink and dunk but our backups can't throw the deep ball for the most part. Frustrating watching it.

I read something either last night or today that said Detroit knew Flynn couldn't throw the deep ball anymore so they were bring everybody up close to the line of scrimmage, knowing they couldn't get beat. If all 11 defensive players are playing with 5-10 yards of the line of scrimmage it makes it more difficult to run a slant or flat pattern. Even a screen. Until Rodgers gets back or they get a decent backup QB expect more of the same from opponents. What I don't understand is if they weren't respecting Flynn's deep ball (and now we probably know why Seattle, Oakland and Buffalo all moved him out) why didn't he bring in Tolzein? At least he could throw a deep ball and might keep the D honest.

 

[Interseptopus]

The problem with continuing to refer to the Super Bowl to give McCarthy more credit is that the Super Bowl was several years ago, not really that recent. Every year since it's been the same thing: throw the ball like crazy and just out score your opponent to make up for the D.

The thing that is apparent to me over the last few years is that McCarthy and Capers are exposed. The nfl has adjusted to their schemes and play calling. Capers runs the same defense as he did during the Super Bowl. Yes, you can say he has less to work with, but he was the "defense guru." You're telling me the defense guru can't figure out how to run an effective scheme with this group of guys and keep them in the top half of the league?

McCarthy ran an offense no one could keep up with. Look back at that Super Bowl; go to walmart and watch it on their Tvs, it's always running. No one could keep up with it. Well, the league has adapted and has learned to 1) expect it from the packers, and 2) figured out a way to stop it

The nfl is always evolving. The last could of years the flavor of the month was the option read QB. GB couldn't stop Kaepernik,but look at him this year, he looks like an average QB and nothing more. When Vick came into the league people couldn't figure out how to contain him. Not after his first 1-2 years. The wildcat. It was unpredictable. Now it's looked at as nothing more than a gimmick.

The packers used to run a lot of short slants, post patterns, even screens. All of that set up the deep routes. Now, all we see is deep bombs and any screens are the little bubble screen to Jordy, which will get you 1-2 yard 7/8 times and 1/8 it'll get you 15 yards.

With Lacy, we finally have a running game... But it seems like McCarthy doesn't really know how to use it. Run run pass punt isn't a good game plan. Not when you're losing.

The loss of Cobb and Finley are huge. Right there is your inside presence. Jordy catches the seam/back shoulder. Jones is about all they have for a crossing pattern right now. Boykin, they tried to use him in cobbs role but he can't do it.

As much as I'll yell at Finley for dropping the ball, he wasn't afraid to go middle. Seems like everyone but jones doesn't like to go middle. That leaves us with seam routes and that's it.

McCarthy doesn't deserve to be fired this season. Capers should be let go. GB just needs to get healthy and find an identity on both sides of the ball. That's the problem. During the Super Bowl run their offense had an identity. Problem is everyone has adapted except McCarthy. Same with the defense. It had an identity. I don't think you can fix that through FA or as Ted likes to do it, the draft

I agree with most of what you posted. Couple things though on the bolded. It certainly seems like McCarthy has got into the run run pass punt mode but it seems like the last couple of games since Rodgers injury he has played not to lose as opposed to playing to win. Given the state of the backup QB it might be necessary. So that might play in to it. As far as McCarthy not being able to adapt I think a lot of what you are seeing on offense this year is a result of all the injuries they have had (Bulaga, Cobb, Finley, Rodgers, James Jones for a few, etc.) GB had planned on running a lot of up tempo, no-huddle this year with Rodgers calling plays at the line of scrimmage. Can't do that as much with a rookie left tackle, replacement WRs, etc. I'd withhold judging McCarthy being able to adapt until next year.

You make good points. Yes, I remember the idea of a lot of no huddle, and I agree that he is probably running plays based on the QB issue and injuries.It's apparent that teams are just coming at the QB and our line is so awful that they are doing well with that strategy. I don't see why he hasn't run more screens, flats, slants. Three step drops instead of 5-7. Sure, it's dink and dunk but our backups can't throw the deep ball for the most part. Frustrating watching it.

I read something either last night or today that said Detroit knew Flynn couldn't throw the deep ball anymore so they were bring everybody up close to the line of scrimmage, knowing they couldn't get beat. If all 11 defensive players are playing with 5-10 yards of the line of scrimmage it makes it more difficult to run a slant or flat pattern. Even a screen. Until Rodgers gets back or they get a decent backup QB expect more of the same from opponents. What I don't understand is if they weren't respecting Flynn's deep ball (and now we probably know why Seattle, Oakland and Buffalo all moved him out) why didn't he bring in Tolzein? At least he could throw a deep ball and might keep the D honest.

Before we even signed him it was rumored flynns arm was dead. I was hoping he would put in Tolzein

 

[The Kerminator]

The problem with continuing to refer to the Super Bowl to give McCarthy more credit is that the Super Bowl was several years ago, not really that recent. Every year since it's been the same thing: throw the ball like crazy and just out score your opponent to make up for the D.

The thing that is apparent to me over the last few years is that McCarthy and Capers are exposed. The nfl has adjusted to their schemes and play calling. Capers runs the same defense as he did during the Super Bowl. Yes, you can say he has less to work with, but he was the "defense guru." You're telling me the defense guru can't figure out how to run an effective scheme with this group of guys and keep them in the top half of the league?

McCarthy ran an offense no one could keep up with. Look back at that Super Bowl; go to walmart and watch it on their Tvs, it's always running. No one could keep up with it. Well, the league has adapted and has learned to 1) expect it from the packers, and 2) figured out a way to stop it

The nfl is always evolving. The last could of years the flavor of the month was the option read QB. GB couldn't stop Kaepernik,but look at him this year, he looks like an average QB and nothing more. When Vick came into the league people couldn't figure out how to contain him. Not after his first 1-2 years. The wildcat. It was unpredictable. Now it's looked at as nothing more than a gimmick.

The packers used to run a lot of short slants, post patterns, even screens. All of that set up the deep routes. Now, all we see is deep bombs and any screens are the little bubble screen to Jordy, which will get you 1-2 yard 7/8 times and 1/8 it'll get you 15 yards.

With Lacy, we finally have a running game... But it seems like McCarthy doesn't really know how to use it. Run run pass punt isn't a good game plan. Not when you're losing.

The loss of Cobb and Finley are huge. Right there is your inside presence. Jordy catches the seam/back shoulder. Jones is about all they have for a crossing pattern right now. Boykin, they tried to use him in cobbs role but he can't do it.

As much as I'll yell at Finley for dropping the ball, he wasn't afraid to go middle. Seems like everyone but jones doesn't like to go middle. That leaves us with seam routes and that's it.

McCarthy doesn't deserve to be fired this season. Capers should be let go. GB just needs to get healthy and find an identity on both sides of the ball. That's the problem. During the Super Bowl run their offense had an identity. Problem is everyone has adapted except McCarthy. Same with the defense. It had an identity. I don't think you can fix that through FA or as Ted likes to do it, the draft

I agree with most of what you posted. Couple things though on the bolded. It certainly seems like McCarthy has got into the run run pass punt mode but it seems like the last couple of games since Rodgers injury he has played not to lose as opposed to playing to win. Given the state of the backup QB it might be necessary. So that might play in to it. As far as McCarthy not being able to adapt I think a lot of what you are seeing on offense this year is a result of all the injuries they have had (Bulaga, Cobb, Finley, Rodgers, James Jones for a few, etc.) GB had planned on running a lot of up tempo, no-huddle this year with Rodgers calling plays at the line of scrimmage. Can't do that as much with a rookie left tackle, replacement WRs, etc. I'd withhold judging McCarthy being able to adapt until next year.

You make good points. Yes, I remember the idea of a lot of no huddle, and I agree that he is probably running plays based on the QB issue and injuries.It's apparent that teams are just coming at the QB and our line is so awful that they are doing well with that strategy. I don't see why he hasn't run more screens, flats, slants. Three step drops instead of 5-7. Sure, it's dink and dunk but our backups can't throw the deep ball for the most part. Frustrating watching it.

I read something either last night or today that said Detroit knew Flynn couldn't throw the deep ball anymore so they were bring everybody up close to the line of scrimmage, knowing they couldn't get beat. If all 11 defensive players are playing with 5-10 yards of the line of scrimmage it makes it more difficult to run a slant or flat pattern. Even a screen. Until Rodgers gets back or they get a decent backup QB expect more of the same from opponents. What I don't understand is if they weren't respecting Flynn's deep ball (and now we probably know why Seattle, Oakland and Buffalo all moved him out) why didn't he bring in Tolzein? At least he could throw a deep ball and might keep the D honest.

Before we even signed him it was rumored flynns arm was dead.I was hoping he would put in Tolzein

I know he had Flynn in there because he knows the offense better than Tolzein and he is somewhat limited with Tolzein as far as his play calling but I guess it's pick your poison. At least with Tolzein you have the threat of hitting a deep ball, even with his limited knowledge of the playbook. I'd rather go down swinging that way.