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Ian Thomas - Tight End (4 Viewers)
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Cjw_55106
Footballguy
The Frankman
Footballguy
I blame that more on Kyle Allen incessantly targeting Christian McCaffrey and his terrible instincts/accuracy that anything Thomas did.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Thomas has potential to be a top TE with a decent QB. Hope Olsen is out again
Don Hutson
Footballguy
Interseptopus
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saintfool
Dead sexy
it is worth mentioning that this, in all likelihood, will be a very different offense. his value is as the presumed starter only at this point. new coaches, new QB, McCaffrey, etc make it really hard to be bullish here in the early going.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Sure, but you can also make the argument that last years was a floor with Kyle Allen and he still had some good games. That along with the surrounding cast, he looks to be a good spot. Other than the question at QB.
Johnny B. Goode
Footballguy
In 2018 without Olsen Thomas was TE6. as a rookie
saintfool
Dead sexy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
There are 81 targets vacated. In my opinion, assuming CMC picks up anything worthwhile for targets is foolish... hes already running at max capacity. DJ Moore should see a small uptick but hes already at 134 targets (10th in the NFL). Curtis Samuel is what he is.
Week 11 through 16 Thomas averaged about 4 targets per game with Olsen playing. Take away Olsen's 81 targets and combine them with Thomas and you have 111 total open TE targets. Some will go to the WRs, primarily Moore, but a large majority stands to go to Thomas.
He is an easy TE2 right now with TE1 upside, especially if he can get about 70-75% of those 111 targets
Week 11 through 16 Thomas averaged about 4 targets per game with Olsen playing. Take away Olsen's 81 targets and combine them with Thomas and you have 111 total open TE targets. Some will go to the WRs, primarily Moore, but a large majority stands to go to Thomas.
He is an easy TE2 right now with TE1 upside, especially if he can get about 70-75% of those 111 targets
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Interseptopus
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Bruce Arians has never used a TE heavily in his offense. I have no idea Rhules offense (and I dont know how accurately we can speculate how much his college offense will come to the NFL), but OJ Howard's decline was fairly predictable. Many of us on the board were calling for it, me included
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
This guy is going too late in SF startups.
The Olsen Free Agency hasn't sunk in yet.
The Olsen Free Agency hasn't sunk in yet.
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For the umpteenth time. Do not hide threads.
rockaction
Footballguy
Non-sequitur: Every time I see this guy's name I think of Ian Curtis from Joy Division and that song by the group Thursday by the same name. This is wildly OT, but it's Labor Day.
We heard Ian Curtis kill himself again in your bed...
We heard Ian Curtis kill himself again in your bed...
The Frankman
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Anyone have an idea or insight why this guy is an afterthought in the passing game?
I've seen this guy play well and be productive to many games when given the chance to think he suddenly just stinks so I'm thinking it has to be lingering toe injury or the scheme? If it's the scheme I must say it's surprising to me since LSU used the TE fairly well last year, Moss was 4th in receptions on his own team but his production for a college TE was pretty solid and I thought a lot of the concepts used by Brady were borrowed from the Saints but he's close to just being a 6th OL in this offense.
I've seen this guy play well and be productive to many games when given the chance to think he suddenly just stinks so I'm thinking it has to be lingering toe injury or the scheme? If it's the scheme I must say it's surprising to me since LSU used the TE fairly well last year, Moss was 4th in receptions on his own team but his production for a college TE was pretty solid and I thought a lot of the concepts used by Brady were borrowed from the Saints but he's close to just being a 6th OL in this offense.
Went hunting for info last night in regards to question I asked, found my answer. It's the scheme. Wish I'd have come across this info sooner, but TE's are an afterthought in the passing game in this scheme.
I got this Carolina offense and scheme all wrong. Thought for sure with Brady hiring and bringing in Teddy we'd see a very Saints centric scheme but that's just not the case.
I got this Carolina offense and scheme all wrong. Thought for sure with Brady hiring and bringing in Teddy we'd see a very Saints centric scheme but that's just not the case.
Rockchild
Footballguy
That’s interesting. Thaddeus Moss went for 47-570-4 last year at LSU but that offense was a partnership between Brady and the incumbent offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger, so I guess in retrospect it may have been less clear what Brady’s scheme would be once he was the main guy. I similarly had hopes for Thomas. I’m a Panthers and LSU fan but admit I didn’t read a lot on Brady’s scheme over the summer. I kind of assumed it would look more like LSU’s.
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I was thinking along same lines as you with respect to Moss usage last year and generally TE friendly Saints scheme, combined with how good Thomas has looked at times when Olsen was out and mix in a team I figured would be trailing a lot and I was feeling pretty good about an Ian Thomas breakout.
When I said I went hunting last night and found my answer one of the items I came across was an article from August 19th were Thomas is saying something along the lines of they are still figuring out the role of the TE in this offense. Wish I'd have seen that earlier though I did at least fade him late in drafting season after hearing his quiet camp and toe injury.
I'd even add Adam Gase burying the talent of Robbie Anderson, so that I thought he was nothing more then a deep threat guy, got me thinking along the lines of Anderson would be to the Panthers what Ted Ginn and Robert Meachem was to the Saints. DJ Moore the Colston/Thomas, etc ,etc. Did not know Anderson had such a varied game and their scheme is talented around the WR's and Rb's in the passing game.
The Frankman
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JoeSteeler
Footballguy
One of the biggest non injury related busts this year. Most everyone I saw was predicting big things
The Panthers don't get talked about enough as maybe the most poorly run front offices in the NFL. Ian Thomas is a league minimum caliber player, and the latest in an almost universal run of asinine moves by Carolina.
The Gilmore trade made sense, I could understand the Henderson trade, but everything else in the last 12 months has been bad, and not in hindsight, but was obvious at the time.
Watch them give a huge deal to re-sign Paradis next.
The Gilmore trade made sense, I could understand the Henderson trade, but everything else in the last 12 months has been bad, and not in hindsight, but was obvious at the time.
Watch them give a huge deal to re-sign Paradis next.
foxco
Footballguy
jtd13
Footballguy
You're not wrong. That Darnold trade was as bad as any I've seen the last couple season, and has turned out how pretty much everyone expected it would.
Taking $17m in dead cap to trade Teddy Bridgewater, so you could make room to trade 2 2nds for Sam Darnold and pick up his $18m guaranteed option, who you then benched to sign Cam Newton, the guy you initially gave that $17m to Bridgewater to replace. And now they are in the exact same situation with Darnold's $18m guaranteed, minus a bundle of picks and some additional cap space.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Ian Thomas has some negative (minor) publicity right after signing his new contract! It happened in July but just now makes the news! LOL
Thomas arrested for 5 Misdemeanor Charges (ATV stunts)
Thomas arrested for 5 Misdemeanor Charges (ATV stunts)
