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Coco Crisp's SNORK rating is up .143 in the last 2 weeks. Quite simply, Boston doesn't need him anymore.http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2932131
There was some tool Red Sox fan here promising he'd be in Boston next year, but I forget who it was. Either way,
He makes more for them than they pay out.
True, but this is the same guy that went out and signed Vidro as their DH when they have two guys on the farm who are much better hitters.
Can't argue that.I can't imagine what Ichy Balls is worth to the Seattle franchise and the brand, just over in Japan. Probably 2-3 times what they pay out.
Must be, but I have a hard time believing he's worth as much as Matsuzaka in either brand or baseball winning value, then again he has them by the jewels so I guess they have to pay up.
I always figured he was bigger than Dice-K over there, and he's been around longer so Seattle has a more established presence over there.I read once they were easily the most popular MLB team in Japan. It wasn't even close.
Silly man. There was no baseball in Japan until Matsuzaka.
Silly man. There was no baseball in Japan until Matsuzaka.
Not signed....traded for, gave up Snelling & Fruto in the dealAlso, let's not forget Rafael Soriano for Horacio Ramirez, keeping Morrow from developing in the minors as a starter. Their record this year be damned, I hate Bavasi
I'll give you that he has been this year, but he certainly wasn't in 2005 or 6. To think this year is anything but a little aberational and that he can continue it years into the future is not a bet I'd be willing to make.shadyridr said:
Really? The guy hits close to .350 every year, steals a ton of bases without getting thrown out, has a cannon for an arm, and plays phenomenal defense. IMO hes been a top 3 OFer even in 2005 & 2006.I'll give you that he has been this year, but he certainly wasn't in 2005 or 6. To think this year is anything but a little aberational and that he can continue it years into the future is not a bet I'd be willing to make.shadyridr said:Ichiro is one of the best 3 OFers in baseball
Like JD Drew?Ichiro>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JD Drew
The guy is an icon. Unless he suffers a major leg injury, he should still be a speedy, slap hitting, defensive genius at the end of the extention.If the Yanks or any other team signed him, they would have overpaid, if the Red Sox did this, it would have been a shrewd move.
How can you continually defend the JD Drew signing yet blast this one?
Why shrewd? They already have Japanese exposure with Matsuzaka...
First, Drew is 2 years younger. Second, Drew signed 5 years, $55 mill, not the $75-90 mill that is being reported here. Drew has been a better hitter then Ichiro (this year obviously excepted, I am looking at the past 3-5 years), with the obvious supposed knock of not being durable. Ichito is definitely the superior fielder, but he is not worth an extra 25-40 millionForgetting about the Drew contract (which many believe was an overpay in itself), the Ichiro contract as reported is an absolute overpay
I'm talking about the extention, numbnuts. If this was your team, it would be brilliant, but because a guy named Theo wasn't involved, it's OK to rip it apart.Oh and this is money well spent compared to the JD Drew contract.Why shrewd? They already have Japanese exposure with Matsuzaka...The guy is an icon. Unless he suffers a major leg injury, he should still be a speedy, slap hitting, defensive genius at the end of the extention.If the Yanks or any other team signed him, they would have overpaid, if the Red Sox did this, it would have been a shrewd move.
He is worth the extra $$ based on the Japanese exposure. Or does that only count in Boston too?
Sure...keep telling yourself that. And if you really think I believe all Red Sox signings are good ones, keep smoking the good stuffI'm talking about the extention, numbnuts. If this was your team, it would be brilliant, but because a guy named Theo wasn't involved, it's OK to rip it apart.Oh and this is money well spent compared to the JD Drew contract.Why shrewd? They already have Japanese exposure with Matsuzaka...
I am not certain that it applies here as much, as Seattle already has that exposure. It is not like they are breaking into the market. I am no marketing guru, but it is certainly not apples to apples to compare exposure numbers for an established team vs. a non-established team in the Japanese market.by the way, you seem very bitter about Boston, S
Drew's contract was 5 years 70 million. I gotta agree with everyone else, Ichiro's is not much worse and I would much rather have Ichiro. The Sox screwed up with Drew, surely you are going to come around to that eventually.
They are paying a franchise cornerstone, all-star, OF money he deserves while maintaining a presence in a market that loves baseball. Seems like a solid business decision to me.Not bitter about Boston at all, just like to point out the inaccuracies of the Whiny Tools who rip apart everything any other team does, while talking about how great ALL of their teams moves are.
Drew is a whole 2 YEARS YOUNGER. OMGWTFBBQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And Drew is a better hitter than Ichiro? BlasphemyYour Drew love is laughable.
The guy is good at drawing a walk with men on. Horrible at delivering them though. Batting .225 with RISP.
Why not? There is no cap. I would love for the O's to have signed him. Instead, we'll sign 2 or 3 FA for the same amount as Ichiro got and they may not even be in our starting lineup everyday[or 40 man roster(Huff, Payton, Baez)]. The M's are getting a sure thing for the money. Even if there is a drop off in production, it's money well spent.
Yes, he has been particularly bad with RISP, but that is simply small sample size effects. Is Drew suddenly a completely different player then previously with RISP? Here are his past numbers with RISP:2006: .279/.437/.471/.908 2005: .250/.400/.400/.800 2004: .259/.419/.534/.953 2003: .364/.462/.667/1.129 2002: .209/.393/.488/.881
Unbeeeeleeebable. Every time the Red Sox might be in the market for a guy and he goes elsewhere I see the same pattern. Lets look:On JD Drew:
On Lugo, Renteria, and Drew:
On Clemens:Well for one, you're only using his numbers from the Rays. Forgot his Dodger days? His overall OBP was 341, league average (not for SS) was 344. Point is, he's not a great on-base guy. That's wtf I'm not talking about.wtf are you talking about?http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortab...;sortByStat=OBPI didn't say they signed him for that, I said he's overvalued because of that. btw, he was below league-average in OBP last year.I am not sure how you have such confidence in Drew melting in Boston. I am of the other opinion, that he will do quite well. I guess time will tell - just not sure how anyone can be positive. As for Lugo, if you think the Sox signed him for his SBs then you are out of your mind.
So essentially if a player goes to another team who the Red Sox were in the market for he's overpaid or old. If a player comes to the Red Sox it's a great day, a great tax and marketing move, or a good mid level signing (9 mill for Lugo was such an example I guess). Although you didn't beat all The Moops JD Drew posts which are down right hilarious they are so effing stupid, you are creating a pattern which I'm sure goes back further than just this offseason. If the Red Sox don't get a guy, he is overpriced or almost dead. Am I wrong?
The why not argument applies the same way if they signed him to $200 million. Not sure how 'why not' makes any sense
VeryUnbeeeeleeebable. Every time the Red Sox might be in the market for a guy and he goes elsewhere I see the same pattern. Lets look:On JD Drew:
On Lugo, Renteria, and Drew:On Clemens:Well for one, you're only using his numbers from the Rays. Forgot his Dodger days? His overall OBP was 341, league average (not for SS) was 344. Point is, he's not a great on-base guy. That's wtf I'm not talking about.wtf are you talking about?http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortab...;sortByStat=OBPI didn't say they signed him for that, I said he's overvalued because of that. btw, he was below league-average in OBP last year.I am not sure how you have such confidence in Drew melting in Boston. I am of the other opinion, that he will do quite well. I guess time will tell - just not sure how anyone can be positive. As for Lugo, if you think the Sox signed him for his SBs then you are out of your mind.So essentially if a player goes to another team who the Red Sox were in the market for he's overpaid or old. If a player comes to the Red Sox it's a great day, a great tax and marketing move, or a good mid level signing (9 mill for Lugo was such an example I guess). Although you didn't beat all The Moops JD Drew posts which are down right hilarious they are so effing stupid, you are creating a pattern which I'm sure goes back further than just this offseason. If the Red Sox don't get a guy, he is overpriced or almost dead. Am I wrong?
this is exactly what I was alluding to earlier.
Looks like you picked 3 signings...Clemens, I stand by what I said, he is overpriced. Lugo, so far I look to be blatantly wrong. Drew, the jury is out as far as I am concerned. I will admit that I am more likely to ignore an overpayment on the Red Sox if I like the player, but that is not to say that I like all of their signings / non-signings. I have been very critical of Renteria being traded, by far the worst move Theo has made IMO. I just happened to like this offseason's signingsSo essentially if a player goes to another team who the Red Sox were in the market for he's overpaid or old. If a player comes to the Red Sox it's a great day, a great tax and marketing move, or a good mid level signing (9 mill for Lugo was such an example I guess). Although you didn't beat all The Moops JD Drew posts which are down right hilarious they are so effing stupid, you are creating a pattern which I'm sure goes back further than just this offseason. If the Red Sox don't get a guy, he is overpriced or almost dead. Am I wrong?
But 200mm is not the number we're talking about. It's 90-100mm, and when you compare that number to what other players are being paid, it's not a bad deal. If the M's didn't sign him, he would command similar money on the open market.
Getting rid of Cabrera was worse then trading Renteria. Cabrera could play there, Renteria couldn't.Looks like you picked 3 signings...Clemens, I stand by what I said, he is overpriced. Lugo, so far I look to be blatantly wrong. Drew, the jury is out as far as I am concerned. I will admit that I am more likely to ignore an overpayment on the Red Sox if I like the player, but that is not to say that I like all of their signings / non-signings. I have been very critical of Renteria being traded, by far the worst move Theo has made IMO. I just happened to like this offseason's signingsSo essentially if a player goes to another team who the Red Sox were in the market for he's overpaid or old. If a player comes to the Red Sox it's a great day, a great tax and marketing move, or a good mid level signing (9 mill for Lugo was such an example I guess). Although you didn't beat all The Moops JD Drew posts which are down right hilarious they are so effing stupid, you are creating a pattern which I'm sure goes back further than just this offseason. If the Red Sox don't get a guy, he is overpriced or almost dead. Am I wrong?
Renteria was covering up back problems, as was reported after the season.Getting rid of Cabrera was worse then trading Renteria. Cabrera could play there, Renteria couldn't.Looks like you picked 3 signings...Clemens, I stand by what I said, he is overpriced. Lugo, so far I look to be blatantly wrong. Drew, the jury is out as far as I am concerned. I will admit that I am more likely to ignore an overpayment on the Red Sox if I like the player, but that is not to say that I like all of their signings / non-signings. I have been very critical of Renteria being traded, by far the worst move Theo has made IMO. I just happened to like this offseason's signingsSo essentially if a player goes to another team who the Red Sox were in the market for he's overpaid or old. If a player comes to the Red Sox it's a great day, a great tax and marketing move, or a good mid level signing (9 mill for Lugo was such an example I guess). Although you didn't beat all The Moops JD Drew posts which are down right hilarious they are so effing stupid, you are creating a pattern which I'm sure goes back further than just this offseason. If the Red Sox don't get a guy, he is overpriced or almost dead. Am I wrong?
My only solace is that he cannot get any worse. I read somewhere he had the second worst month in baseball, ever, or something similar to that
right...they're already broken in over there, which is all the more reason to re-sign him. you don't think it would affect their standing if Ichiro went to the Dodgers or Yankees, or wherever? Of course it would. People talking about this in strictly baseball terms are nuts. Even if they overpaid him 20%, I'm sure it's worth it for the brand.
It's all good. I said Inge was better than Scott Rolen (I might actually be right though) and Capella said the Tigers signing Sheff was horrible. We all make mistakes.That offseason thread isLooks like you picked 3 signings...Clemens, I stand by what I said, he is overpriced. Lugo, so far I look to be blatantly wrong. Drew, the jury is out as far as I am concerned. I will admit that I am more likely to ignore an overpayment on the Red Sox if I like the player, but that is not to say that I like all of their signings / non-signings. I have been very critical of Renteria being traded, by far the worst move Theo has made IMO. I just happened to like this offseason's signingsSo essentially if a player goes to another team who the Red Sox were in the market for he's overpaid or old. If a player comes to the Red Sox it's a great day, a great tax and marketing move, or a good mid level signing (9 mill for Lugo was such an example I guess). Although you didn't beat all The Moops JD Drew posts which are down right hilarious they are so effing stupid, you are creating a pattern which I'm sure goes back further than just this offseason. If the Red Sox don't get a guy, he is overpriced or almost dead. Am I wrong?
btw.
